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deemeji
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Chinese Automobiles - beware of them, they may be ridiculously cheap, but safety and quality is not in the Chinese dictionary for now. they are looking for big ignorant market like Nigeria
Beware of Chinese brand new cars that are flooding our markets, They are death traps, check this picture. , can you imagine that the Air bags did not go off!
The road safety official who was part of the rescue team said it was amazing that with the impact of the accident and that the car somersaulted into the bush and the air bags did not go off.
This car was barely one month old, according to police report, the owner complained that the steering was swerving on its own accord just less than 2wks of purchase. The brand new car was returned and worked on, only for the car to had an accident as the old problem resurfaced.
According to eye witness - the occupants in the car, the car swerve on its own, on three occasion before the accident, the road was smooth, no collision with any car, it just swerve uncontrollably and crash into a big ditch, all the occupants sustaining various degrees of injuries. One of the occupant is currently receiving treatment at igbobi with fracture arms and legs.
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fotodaddy (m)
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deemeji, I don't know about the streering problems and I am not holding breif for lifan but generally, steering and dashboard mounted airbags will only deploy in a frontal impact collision. So it is not a surpise that they did not deploy when the car sommersaulted. Furthermoe, the impact needs also to be severe enough to trigger them. Can you show us a picture of the front of the car?? This is not rason enough to trash Chinese made cars.  It was the same story with hyundai and kia a couple of years ago. |
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nkc (m)
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what they should incorporate also is side curtain impact airbags, it would have helped in this case, suppose d front aint bad
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deemeji
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take a look yourself whenever you are at ogere. From the police reports gathered, the owner has taken them to court and 4 Chinese engineers were arround the day i took this pictures. Gani chambers are involved in case. unfortunately i could not talk with them that day as the lawyer forbade them to speak to us. i was able to speak with one of the occupant- the accident victim who came to give their statement at the police station that day.
the driver of the dealer who was driving the GM or the sales manager who were there that day complain about the steering wheel of the car and that it was experience that he use in driving!
This is Nigeria, according to the road safety official, that was not the first, but this particular one is the most tragic they ve witness.
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Reptyle (m)
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Ha!!! You mean someone came out of this alive? God is great o!!!  But I think I agree with fotodaddy that an accident like this one isn't enough reason to trash Chinese cars. I agree they need a lot of work but I'm sure they will get there. The steering issue may have simply been a manufacturing defect and what the man should have done was to return the car and ask for it to be changed. Especially since the issue started after only a few weeks. A colleague of mine uses a Lifan and he has been full of nothing but praise for the car since he bought it in January this year. |
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Busta (f)
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What is the name of the brand?
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fotodaddy (m)
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I remember that on this forum someone posted exactly the same problem with another brand of car. Steering appearing to have a mind of its own!! Naija, which one police get with car manufacturer inside accident again!! And lawyer sef don join mouth!! Ah black man we get problem  The moo moo owner wey dey "manage" the car nko?? No case fopr moo moo??  If the car was so bad then no one would have come out of it alive. One of the main functions of the body cell structure is to still leave enough space for the occupants, inspite of a crash. And obviously this did very well. Me I support Lifan. |
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deemeji
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fotodady try and be objective! but is useless to preach objectivity to you, since you said you support lifan. let us presents facts and objective views. do a simple search on google and you tube videos with this search terms and report back to this forum. " lifan failed crash test'' you will see scores of failed chinese cars crash tests with lifan topping the list. we should use this forum to promote objectivity.agree u may be selling chinese cars, but be objective. like i said i could not speak with them for their lawyer forbade them. it could be you or your relative tommorow. did you know that lifan was rejected in america and germany because of failed crash test. it was november that it passed crash test in russia and it was another brand sedan lifan not the lifan 500 series scraps they send to nigeria. why did lifan went to site their plant in ethopia for producing these lifan 500 series? do they have crash tests facilities there? visit www.chinacarforums.com for details. |
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fotodaddy (m)
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deemeji, Thank you for your advice!! I need just that in my life right now The next thing you go dey yab lifan motorcycle etc. You get what you pay for my friend!!! Simple. You think say for the price of a lifan you can have the security of an MB 600 SEC. You are dreaming  Why you no pick your fight with SON and other regulatory agencies wey no do them work. Black man, when we go wake up!!! |
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nkc (m)
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@busta LIFAN is d name of d car, so u reach this areas  |
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deemeji
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I said it earlier or implied it in my title that one should avoid concept cheap and affordable at the expense of quality. i am not prejudiced against Lifan , just presentation of facts. i sent this also to china car forum so they that they will know we know and change their mentality towards us as ignorant people.
I am trying to get as many people enlightened of the need to seek and demand for quality. for instance i expect the road safety commission to have equipment to test brand new cars into this country. they are suppose to be agents SON will refer to in ascertaining the quality of these cars.
I became interested in this matter, weeks before i stumble on this accident car at Ogere, when a colleague told me that the brochure and manual that comes with the Lifan car is different from the physical features of the car. when we pointed this to the sales man, he told us that was why they are cheap! add one and one together, they must have been dumped here! only for me to see the same car without collision, or overspeeding 100km! and see the wreakage.
if we do not speak out, they will continue, any of our ignorant brothers and sisters who do not have the enlightenment tool like us could fall for this deadly decoy anytime.
do u also know that this steering problem do not manifest until you approch a speed of 100km! some people with the car including the driver of the dealer attested to this fact.
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Busta (f)
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@busta LIFAN is d name of d car, so u reach this areas never heard of it and I try to reach everywhere as long as i gain something from it. one never know . . u gotta learn everyday |
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nkc (m)
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@busta yeah its new , a chinese product please do go around learn as much, it will sure help, and have retaintive(is that d spellin ) memory |
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Ivvie
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That is bad. The structural rigidity of chinese cars is sub par to today's driving. Do not forget that it wasn't introduced to the US. market because it failed woefully in the 30mph crash impact test.
@NKC
How in the world would side airbag do any good when the skelectal design cannot hold even half of its integrity. The vehicle has poor deformable characteristics and adding airbag attibutes to a vehicle with no crumple zone limit doesnt help (might even make matters worse).
There are youtube videos on chinese cars.
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longmanjay
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na waoh! say person comes out of this wreckage alive? Lifan you say abi, typical of the chinese good design and packaging,
alex akinyele son was not that lucky. The jeep model from the same manufacturer. Serious factory defect was also the complaint. i think one should give deeji kudos for that info. i went to do a simple search as he said, the cars from this chinese manufacturer were rejected in america. do you know that they are not even sold in china, i mean the particular model they dump in nigeria!!
people are cruel! i met one of their reseler salesman from emel motors, run by indians. their conclusions and side of their story were terrible. their arguement, that was how toyota and even of recent kia were killing people before they became toast of the people, u can see how people are mean.
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longmanjay
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i want fotodaddy to be careful of his remarks. a lot of us have been following your posts and have regard for your indepth of cars. you should have done the simple search as suggested by deemeji.
i did it and was suprise the way information pass through our nose and we do not use it. you should champion what deemeji is doing. it is your trade and you have the moral justification to protect it. Lifan should be ban from Nigeria. go to the net and see what i mean. the lifan brand sold in Nigeria is not sold in china!!! in fact it is the same one that failed the crash and safety test in US and Germany that they are shiping here, they dismantle the plant and site it in ethopia where they know they do not have these sophisticated testing equipment
they site the plant in ethopia where they will be shipping these death cars to naija. if now anybody with it , just tell them not to do more than 100km per hr.
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Siena (m)
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From all accounts, not safe at all.
As deadly as generalized cancer.
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nkc (m)
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ivie, you're rite structurally that car is not okay, but at least before they do side airbags, they will also reinforce some parts , maybe it will open there eyes |
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nkc (m)
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at all who r angainst fotodaddy
u guys don't understand d angle he is coming from,
he said lifan has poor design, but that does not mean ALL CHINESE CARS ARE BAD,
hope u guys understand .
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Ivvie
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at all who r angainst fotodaddy
u guys don't understand d angle he is coming from,
he said lifan has poor design, but that does not mean ALL CHINESE CARS ARE BAD,
hope u guys understand .
NKC, Lets not deceive ourselves - life is black or white. It's either it is true or a lie. No such thing as a middle ground in a battle front. All chinese cars are bad. In designing a car, besides kinematics and propulsion, you have to imbibe the discipline of crash reconstruction and restitution. That is planar impact mechanics, structural restitution and stiffness modeling. Europe has now added another (pedestrian crashes). It is actually easier said than done. What the chinese have done is modeled whatever vehicle they have on a CAD platform, then clay modeled it and molded whatever sheetmetal design they implemented. Chinese cars are deemed unsafe for road use. It couldn't pass a linear crash test and was banned in the US. Refr. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F06LjugtIUohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2APoor or no accident reconstruction boundaries and lousy impulse and momentum translation. Tallying this in a proper design would not even have the fore windshield broken (for a linear test) even at extreme high speed (85mph +). In a severe accident, the engine should go down to the asphalt and not to the passenger bay to allow proper deformation as impact is absorbed. Compare to the Aristo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGr38YSIn4&NR=1 and S80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIFKdvuTylc&feature=relatedHow do we justify some of chinese cars as good and others bad? I wonder what the function of the airbags were. |
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fotodaddy (m)
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NKC,
Lets not deceive ourselves - life is black or white. It's either it is true or a lie. No such thing as a middle ground in a battle front. All chinese cars are bad.
SO you know and have tested ALL the Chinese cars abi!!??!! How do educated people make these kind of statements?? And by the way, what is your definition of "BAD" You might be interested to know that so called "good" cars currently sold in Nigeria are not allower in Europe or America. There is currently no car sold in Western Europe or The USA that is not equiped with Supllimentary Restraint System (Driver and passenger airbags being the minimum.) Yet you have the Chevrolets, Toyotas, Hyundais, Kia all being sold as brand new without this basic safety equipment. So lets forget about what is good and what is bad by your or my standard. The bottom line is that you the consumer has a choice and you WILL get what you pay for.  |
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Ivvie
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SO you know and have tested ALL the Chinese cars abi!!??!! How do educated people make these kind of statements?? And by the way, what is your definition of "BAD" You might be interested to know that so called "good" cars currently sold in Nigeria are not allower in Europe or America. There is currently no car sold in Western Europe or The USA that is not equiped with Supllimentary Restraint System (Driver and passenger airbags being the minimum.) Yet you have the Chevrolets, Toyotas, Hyundais, Kia all being sold as brand new without this basic safety equipment. So lets forget about what is good and what is bad by your or my standard. The bottom line is that you the consumer has a choice and you WILL get what you pay for. Poor design makes it a bad car. I don't have to test them. Cars today are lighter and faster. Nobody is driving at 5mph anymore. It is true that many cars in the States don't qualify for Europe but accident reconstruction isn't a consideration to skip over. 220km/hr and no safety consideration does not make it a design. It isn't my standard but common sense. And this cuts across all chinese cars. Safety is one of the pillars in automaking manufacturing. I know fully well that no one enlightened on chinese cars would spend their hard earned money on it. People have it notioned that for a car to be manufactured and debuted, it meets all safety and environmental standards. It isn't so for chinese vehicles. I got this from one of Sultaans posts http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/autowheel/article02//indexn3_html?pdate=270608&ptitle=Lawyer%20petitions%20Chery%20Motors%20over%20alleged%20poor%20performance%20of%20new%20Tiggo&cpdate=020708It is clear that safety was only one of the chapters. |
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samboribo (m)
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even chinese phones are not completely properly made. rings like what has lost its tweeters. now, you expect a car from them to be top-knotch? remember, a nigerian man somewhere has bought land(s), built a house(s) and invested big time from the Lifan contract. so even if the seat itself has an airbag that doesn't come out when necessary, nobody is bothered because nigerians on the world map are seen with almost no choice/standard.
the patient at igbobi, i pray he comes out complete.
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boriswole
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Made in china!!!, most electronics and cars have chinese inputs,the chinese actually know what they are doin and they can come up with cars as good as the mercedes if they want to. What usually happens is that our fellow nigerians go there and assure them that if they manufacture this particular substandard car it is going to be accepted in nigeria, in my opinion, its our businessmen that convince them that if they drop the quality and price they'll hav thousand of sales in nigeria.
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fotodaddy (m)
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Made in china!!!, most electronics and cars have chinese inputs,the chinese actually know what they are doin and they can come up with cars as good as the mercedes if they want to. What usually happens is that our fellow nigerians go there and assure them that if they manufacture this particular substandard car it is going to be accepted in nigeria, in my opinion, its our businessmen that convince them that if they drop the quality and price they'll hav thousand of sales in nigeria.
I can't agree with you more!!! The same happens with all other items manufactured in China. My top of the line multifunctional fax/scan/copier/printer is made in china!! And the same applies to my Generator (which is pretty expensive compared to other brands from China; 140K for 3kVA)
Like I said, you get what you pay for.@ ivvie You still talk about all cars and I am pretty sure you have never even been to China. So how can you so confidently say " all chinese cars". You made a lot of comments but you failed to answer the issues I raised. I can confidently say that you don't even know 10% of the vehicles manufactured in China, neither do you know the Chinese regulations governing car manufacture or even by what standards they are produced. You are an educated guy, so think about what you are saying na SO you know and have tested ALL the Chinese cars abi!!??!!
How do educated people make these kind of statements?? And by the way, what is your definition of "BAD" You might be interested to know that so called "good" cars currently sold in Nigeria are not allower in Europe or America.
There is currently no car sold in Western Europe or The USA that is not equiped with Supllimentary Restraint System (Driver and passenger airbags being the minimum.) Yet you have the Chevrolets, Toyotas, Hyundais, Kia all being sold as brand new without this basic safety equipment.
So lets forget about what is good and what is bad by your or my standard. The bottom line is that you the consumer has a choice and you WILL get what you pay for. Answer to these before you continue bashing these cars na  |
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Ivvie
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@Fotodaddy
Concerning the vehicles without restrainst system (RS) and airbags:
A car is not safe because of RS, SRS, HRS, SIPS or WHIPS. Accident reconstruction is actually the underlining
factor. This consists and not limited to restitution, material coefficients which relate barrier equal
velocity, longitudinal and sheer stiffness of the vehicle and various kinetic translations.
Old cars (late 50's - mid 70's) were fitted with lap belts and 3-points were consideredluxury. In a collision, chances were minimal to be thrown off your seat. In frontal crashes in those vehicles, lateral deformations was minimal and in some cases, little or no perturbation. Seatbelt was lobbied to be made standard by Ralph Nadar and bags had to be used because of lighter body shells.
Now in case of the chinese vehicles that are manufactured for commercial use, they are embellished with all the
safety toys in today's vehicle. Did it make it any safer? It served no purpose. The anchor frame for the
seatbelt can't withstand a lateral or longitudinal impact. There is no crumple zone. Windshield glass is not even automotive standard. There is a lot more wrong thus making it below substandard. Reinforcing the vehicle or using stiffer materials will not make the car at par or any safer. When a car is designed, it is also crash designed or constructed.
Per Chinese regulations:
Nobody cares what China's standards are in automotive safety or design. There is a general standard that everyone meets in the World Vehicle Market. If that is not met or exceeded, then it is just a pile of composed junk. This is a commercial car and there are rules and standards governing commercial vehicle manufacturing.
Chinese cars are not allowed in the US. The top 5 auto chinese makers showed off their vehicle as they entered the world vehicle market in the US. at the North America Auto Show early this year. It was later rejected for quality reasons and sub par engineering. If the top 5 introduced their products to the US. and sloppily performed, what do you call the rest?
It is true I haven't been to China but it has nothing to do with the fact that China knows how to build cars. What they have designed and created is what anybody can do if the right CAD platform is given and a manufacturing plant to manifest it. What is missing is the "Physics" (in layman's terms).
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longmanjay
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I met a man with a Lifan car on Saturday at Anthony village. (the lifan car not different from hydai accent in design even better). we got talking, you just got to hear him. He is a an ederly driver for a logistic company in that same vicinity. He was full of woes on this same lifan car. According to him, they have gotten 2 Lifan cars from one emel motors at ijora December last year. The 2 cars were full of problems, from kick starter to the cooling system. they had to return one and even the replacement HAD ALIGNMENT PROBLEM WHEN YOU APPROACH 100km!!!!
we got talking and he mentioned how they were approached by a man who bought a lifan car and warn them about speeding with the car above 100km. He hinted me that the man lifan case ( i guess the same shown above) is handled presently by Gani chambers as the owner has taken them to court. The owner he said has accosted them sometimes last march, came to their office to warn them about speeding with the car. he offer to take me to Gani chambers, though they gave no details but confirm that they have such brief.
So with this suit and the post by sultaan , a word is enough for the wise, AVOID CHINESE CAR FOR NOW UNTIL THEY FINISHED THEIR GUINEA PIG TESTING ON IGNORANT PEOPLE THAT BUYS CHEAP POOR QUALITY PRODUCTS, agree partially with fotodaddy to the extent of avoiding cheap n poor quality Chinese car
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sunej (m)
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With My general experience on Chinese products, I'll support Dimmeji, I consider most Chinese products to be inferior, Just check the issues of Chinese Generators, phones, computers, flash disks, etc, u can never enjoy them for up to a year. All they do is mass production without a particular attention to what they produce.
I rather spend more and get better quality!
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Ivvie
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This is a terrible news report about the Cherry QQ. At a point, the only recognisable debris besides one of the rims was the Cherry QQ badge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFAfo8g_jY&feature=relatedI don't believe people should be entitled to such quality irregardless of how much they pay. The trade isn't fair. The money is good to the corporation and the product isn't beneficial or satisfying to the buyer. At the same time, I do blame buyers as well for not researching before being scape goats. I guess th chinese company is trying to make their money back as well as mass produce for profit. I wonder why Nigeria still endorse such. |
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fotodaddy (m)
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@Ivvie
You still have not answered the issues I raised. You just went on and on but at the end what?? I will have you know that the CHERY QQ is a clone of one of GM's best selling small cars (Daewoo Matiz) but I am sure you knew that already, and I can also dig out videos from youtube for the Smart and other small cars to show you how "fragile" they are.
Meanwhile, can you explain to me how a good car maker will build a car so inferior that a knock from a minivan will cause it to cut into two and even go so far as to actually remove the axle altogether.
Let the pictures speak for themselves. One thing I can tell you is that it is not a chinese car!!
Meanwhile, the last picture is of the boot section of the car, which was completely severed!
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Ivvie
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Fottodaddy,
I did answer your question. A car isn't safe by the number of restrainst system but structural rigidity (collision characteristics) and intergrity (or how it translates KE). I don't know much about car models but I will make one thing clear. GM cars are not safe cars. Highway safety crash tests in the US. are done with 50% offset frontal crash impact test at 25 to 40 mph. Most of the tests are done at approx. 30 mph. This is how 5 stars are rated. In common sense, unrealistic. Volvo, Saab, VW and some mid priced euro vehicles are done in their facilities at 85 to 115 mph and not just linear impact but various dynamic impacts at angles imagined. Also air projectile tests and roll overs are considered. It is done numerous times. GM as a standard or any japanese automaker doesn't cut it. I am unaware that Daewoo crossed over as one of a reputable kind. To be a top seller, it must be a fancy car. As this posts asks, chinese cars aren't safe and that is what the truth implies.
Concerning the question you asked on the build quality, I can explain that but that will turn this post over; deviating it from its original intent. I will also have to explain it using science and economics (greed).
To be factual, I am not condemning you nor your logic or the way you want to see things. In real life (I mean using our cognitive understanding), it is performing poorly.
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fotodaddy (m)
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Fottodaddy,
I did answer your question. A car isn't safe by the number of restrainst system but structural rigidity (collision characteristics) and intergrity (or how it translates KE). I don't know much about car models but I will make one thing clear. GM cars are not safe cars. Highway safety crash tests in the US. are done with 50% offset frontal crash impact test at 25 to 40 mph. Most of the tests are done at approx. 30 mph. This is how 5 stars are rated. In common sense, unrealistic. Volvo, Saab, VW and some mid priced euro vehicles are done in their facilities at 85 to 115 mph and not just linear impact but various dynamic impacts at angles imagined. Also air projectile tests and roll overs are considered. It is done numerous times. GM as a standard or any japanese automaker doesn't cut it. I am unaware that Daewoo crossed over as one of a reputable kind. To be a top seller, it must be a fancy car. As this posts asks, chinese cars aren't safe and that is what the truth implies.
Concerning the question you asked on the build quality, I can explain that but that will turn this post over; deviating it from its original intent. I will also have to explain it using science and economics (greed).
To be factual, I am not condemning you nor your logic or the way you want to see things. In real life (I mean using our cognitive understanding), it is performing poorly.
OK, let me understand, what you are saying then is that, if cars fail the same tests that make you say all chinese cars are unsafe, then we can conclude that all cars are unsafe. Period!! meanwhile you forget @Ivvie
Meanwhile, can you explain to me how a good car maker will build a car so inferior that a knock from a minivan will cause it to cut into two and even go so far as to actually remove the axle altogether.
Let the pictures speak for themselves. One thing I can tell you is that it is not a chinese car!!
Ol boy you don win. Me I don tire to try to prove to you say your statement "all chinese Cars" no dey 100% correct. Everybody buy the car wey your money fit get, pray to God make you no get accident and go on rocking!!!  |
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