The Void Between Designer And Programmer

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A2J (m)
The Void Between Designer And Programmer
« on: May 10, 2008, 01:42 AM »

Designers and programmers have an almost completely overlapping client base, but the two professions lack communication, collaboration, and even comprehension. Why?


When I say programmer, I mean anyone from a legit software developer to a fresh-out-of-college fireball that knows nothing more than how to make a contact form send an email. When I say designer, I mean anyone from a professional graphic/web designer to a self-tought-tutorial-addict-freelancer. Programmers and designers try to please the same set of clients on a daily basis. But in todays “website as a faceplate” world, neither profession can offer a complete list of services to satisfy even the mildest small-to-mid-sized growing company.

The result is a spiderweb of outsourcing and virtual personas being displayed by companies in both fields, striving to meet clients’ needs, and trying to appear capable even though they are not. Graphic design firms rarely hire programmers, and programming companies rarely hire designers. They would rather outsource than hire a full-time employee whose skills are only used on occasion, because most of their business is derived from their core services. This is part of the problem. Designers and Programmers work in different arenas more often than not.

Education Can Take Some Blame

First of all, Designers and Programmers, although (today) their client base is very similar, have almost no overlapping educational requirements at most universities, excluding Gen Ed. I speak from experience when I say that the word/s “programming” or “web applications” are hardly ever mentioned by a web design teacher, if mentioned at all. I’m almost certain the same goes for student programmers and learning about “Typography” or “Form and Negative Space.” - Correct me if I’m wrong.

The fact is, two professions that are forced by clients (”The real world”) to work together, get no preparation by the universities supplying the skilled workers. A designer doesn’t need to know the skills of a programmer (and visa versa), but it would be nice if he/she were at the very least, prepped about the reasons programmers and designers need each other.

Two Different Animals

Programming and designing are two completely different animals, but together in harmony, can make a killer site or online app. The average web designer (This article refers to university-educated designers, but is meant to also refer to self taught professionals) starts off in college taking drawing classes as gen ed courses. And most universities require a series of Art History courses as well. Most University Art programs are hard-pressed to even recognize web design as an integral part of a designers education. Instead, Graphic Design majors are stuck learning the deeper meanings of Buddha hand gestures in paintings by somebody whose name you can’t even pronounce, when all they want is to learn how to design for the web. Universities simply aren’t embracing web design as it’s own distinct sector of the degree structure. What I’m trying to say is, Art programs educating the web designers of tomorrow, are not educating web designers. They are trying to deny a focus on digital media as an art form. The Art world doesn’t take much heed to the web, oh but they do like to play with flash.

On the other side of things, Programmers aren’t taught much about design, or how to work with a designer. Do they teach basic Photoshop to programmers? Maybe, I don’t really know. I do know that programmers are a different breed of web-problem-solvers than designers. Programmers learn about code, properties, values, keys, arrays, if, if else, else if, if what? Exactly. The very backbone of a simple contact form is completely and utterly alien to a graphic designer. You know, those people you outsourced to “skin” your php based website. They like to use the words “slices” a lot.
The demand is there and increasing every day, let’s work together.

When working together across both the design and programming disciplines, the best results and happiest clients are directly related to how well the (sometimes deceptive) design/programming companies work together. The best way to move forward and stay ahead of the game is to find a reliable partner, be it programmer or designer, that is willing to wear your hat and even go to meetings with you when needed. Once you develop a relationship, which most do eventually, it’s easy to get comfortable in your situation. This is one of the major reasons designers and programmers are so baffled by one another. No one interacts and shares knowledge, they just do their part and that’s it. This isn’t constructive enough to satisfy me, sorry.

Designers and programmers should be constantly looking into new ways to help each other out. And if you’re a small and growing company and have the demand, hire someone to compliment your team. Your designers will learn 100 times more information from an on-board programmer than emailing an outsourced “friend.” The same goes for programmers. Having one Graphic Designer on board could save you thousands in outsourcing, and teach your team priceless information about the layout in front of the code, and how the scripts manipulate what the user sees. Website interfaces should be designed for usability and accessibility, and that involves both what you see, and the programming that powers it. Make an effort to understand your complimentary discipline.
uspry1 (f)
Re: The Void Between Designer And Programmer
« #1 on: May 10, 2008, 02:10 AM »

Hmmm!  Yes indeed @A2J

Oh my gosh, all the postings you talked about Designer vs Programmer that reminded of my online distance education where I earned my BFA degree in Visual Communication 4 years ago.

I enjoyed learning something new visual approach where traditionally programmers/designers fight about each other.

I really was glad that i pursed to advance my 1999 Web development certification into new visual communication bachelor degree (combination of web development, photography, graphic layout, and programming- - -all-in-one) more creative, efficiency, visually, artstically, technically, and professionally in mixed. Still continue learning to follow new development threads everyday as designing change dramatically.

That's where I came in and glad that i don't stay stuck ONLY HTML coder!!!
smartsoft (m)
Re: The Void Between Designer And Programmer
« #2 on: May 10, 2008, 10:51 AM »

i feel you,   well for me most of the time i just work on Design i just take it to my friend who does the programming part. as for now everyone who knows what i'm into always refer me as designer. but not asif i don't do programming but i must confess the ones i do are small raw ones,  but when it comes to the core part mennnnnnnnnnnn i just take them of me.
Afam (m)
Re: The Void Between Designer And Programmer
« #3 on: May 10, 2008, 10:59 PM »

http://www.bittbox.com/rants/web-design-the-void-between-designer-and-programmer/

It is good to give credit to authors of articles like this lest we take the glory and praise for what we did not do.

@topic,

I agree that web designers and programmers need to work together but again that depends on the willingness of either to work together on projects.
cmon (m)
Re: The Void Between Designer And Programmer
« #4 on: May 10, 2008, 11:56 PM »

Hi y'all,

For a moment, after reading the long article, I actually thought A2J was the author of the article. In future, we should always try to give credit to the actual authors of stuffs like this, or art works.

@topic,

It's actually very difficult working with someone else as a team. In my situation, I'm the self-thought kind of person. I started out as a programmer. After a while, I realized that most clients tend to want to have a good visual feel of your work. This of course does not apply if you are into programming. What did I do? I started training myself on website interfaces and well, i'm doing fine so far.

Based on the massive work load I've started experiencing, I'm beginning to try to work with a designer and I can tell you, it's not as easy as you saying "We (designers and developers) should work together".

Though you cannot be "Jack of all trades", you've just got to know a lot of one and put yourself in a comfortable position in the other. That's usually the best way of pouring all the great ideas you have in developing a particular website.

Like I said earlier, I'm trying to work with a designer but I can't help moving faster than him. If anyone has Idea of how the relationship can be strenghted, it'll be cool to let the "house" know.

Come to think of it, do you even work with somebody A2J? Huh
Phemzy (m)
Re: The Void Between Designer And Programmer
« #5 on: May 16, 2008, 09:54 AM »

All what you talked about is the difference, but let me ask you, which one is more lucrative, is it a programmer or a designer because i like a person, i will like to go for the one that is more lucrative and what about engineering like CompTIA A+, CCNA and others.

If someone want to know about how to design a software, that is creating the software of its own, is that programmer or will u have to start from being a programmer or what?
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