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Backslider (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #128 on: May 14, 2008, 09:24 AM »

God Bless You Debosky

Niger Delta cuts across from Ondo to Alaoji
ghostme
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #129 on: May 14, 2008, 09:32 AM »

We are here screaming blue murder(i really wonder why). The house of reps. are just using this as a decoy to keep the citizens mind busy, i can't fall for this type of hoax any longer. Only in Nigeria somebody wins an election while in prison.
obeda
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #130 on: May 14, 2008, 09:35 AM »

All he said was to cover his administration's shit. They are all set of useless personalities; and there should be a capital punishment for them.
Eight years of admisnistration is more than enough to efficiently and effectively proffer some solutions (>50%) to POWER in Nigeria with all the resources.   This is logically a simple problem of critical thinking and creactive ideas.
Well, it is not a surprise that this had happened because we nigerians believe that OBJ administration was there for emblezzement and personl interest. This was why there was less concern for the power system in  Nigeria.
Literally, he is like saying: i have 100% resources for the country but i hve utilized 5% for its development  but 95% for my personal gain, Nigerians shd praise me.
naijaking1
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #131 on: May 14, 2008, 09:43 AM »

Quote from: Backslider on May 14, 2008, 09:24 AM
God Bless You Debosky

Niger Delta cuts across from Ondo to Alaoji

Praise the Lord, Niger delta has now been expanded to include Yoruba and Igbolands.
Tonim (f)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #132 on: May 14, 2008, 09:43 AM »

I think debosky has done a fantastic job. Obj has numerous flaws, no doubt, but if we must
criticize, we must do so constructively.

All these NIPP projects started in 2004 and it can take up to 3 years for a plant to come online. In fact,
OBJ has admitted himself that he wished he had started building the plants sooner. Right now,
there are 3 plants that have been built (by OBJ) but are not operating at full capacity due to gas supply
shortages/issues.

The reason why $6.5 billion has been spent and we don't have commensurate power supply is that,
the NIPP projects started in 2004 and it takes almost 3 years to complete a plant.

And thanks to debosky, we have learnt that there are the Engineering and Procurement portions
that must be completed before we get down to physical construction on the ground. This Engineering
and Procurement portion, we learn, takes up 75% of the whole effort.


The 43 firms widely speculated as being given contracts without registration, it turns out, are all registered.

Whatever the flaws are regarding the power projects, we need to point them out, correct them,
prosecute where necessary and move on with the completion of the plants.


Right now, Yar'adull should be thinking of building new ones or inviting private investors to set up
IPP's. On May 29th, he'll be 1 year in office and has absolutely nothing to show for it.
dee02 (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #133 on: May 14, 2008, 09:58 AM »

Quote from: engineerd on May 14, 2008, 06:29 AM
All the corrupt leaders in Nigeria have a special place in hell waiting for them. I curse them with all the blood of the suffering common man that has no access to water, good roads, education, employment. As they continue to steal Nigeria's money, may their special reservation in hell continue to get hotter and hotter. Amen!

Amen

AND MAY SATAN RAIN HELL FIRE ON THEM ALL!

MAY THEM NEVER KNOW PEACE FOREVER!
dremoney (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #134 on: May 14, 2008, 10:08 AM »

4 chrissake,can we forget about OBJ for once and think about contractors like Abdulsalam who got huge sums of money and did nothing!!!

We easily get distracted in Nigeria, reps like probe panels coz they get money 4rm it,why is the freedom of information bill still pending? OBJ,OBJ,OBJ aaaaallllllllllllll the time

naijaking1
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #135 on: May 14, 2008, 10:09 AM »

Quote from: Tonim on May 14, 2008, 09:43 AM
I think debosky has done a fantastic job. Obj has numerous flaws, no doubt, but if we must
criticize, we must do so 1. constructively.

All these NIPP projects started in 2004 and it can take up to 3 years for a plant to come online. In fact,
OBJ has admitted himself that he wished he had started building the plants sooner.

2. Whatever the flaws are regarding the power projects, we need to point them out, correct them,
prosecute where necessary and move on with the completion of the plants.


3. Right now, Yar'adull should be thinking of building new ones or inviting private investors to set up
IPP's
. On May 29th, he'll be 1 year in office and has absolutely nothing to show for it.

1. There is no better place to praise or criticize the president than in the House of Rep. That is why they have a power to pass all kinds of motion for or against the president.

2. I say Amen to this point of yours.

3. We all know that Yar'dua by his annointment by OBJ is simply a continuation of his rule. If we don't get to the root of why we don't have power over the past 8 years, from where do you think Yar'dua will learn a lesson?

At the rate things are going, it should not be a surprise if the present power problems continue for the next 10-20 years.  

We're all shamelessly blinded by short term economic advantage, hopelessly drowning in our specific tribal allegiance, and buried by our own unique political affiliations that we cannot even acknowledge that there is a serious power generation and distribution problem in our beloved country.
chidichris (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #136 on: May 14, 2008, 10:13 AM »

from all indications, there are a lot things afam knows about obj, his administration and power supply that nigerians do not know.
at the end of the day the man(afam) will baptise us all with insults instead of making us know.
in one of obj's interviews after handing over, he made it clear that the only regret he has was his inability to supply nigeria power. i remember vividly that yar adua's main campeign point is the provission of power supply.
the then president of nigeria/minister of petrolium has a lot of explainations to make when it comes to the management of funds which orji uzor kalu was shouting then while most of us call him mad man but today the words of the mad man has become a song the wise people - our law makers.
in one of the meeting of the probe panels on fct, a senator said' i am begining to feel abacha was a saint" i hope i did not hear that alone.
to me, i am worried about the activities of yar adua who is a few days away from one year in  office but most of u will say give him time. we will always wait till it is late and he will ask for third term. we will wait till we have it on this forum as stories like the case of obj. we better start looking for the black goat in the day time.
my heart when it comes to probe will only be expectant the day they set up a probe panel to investigate third term bid. it is only then the nigerians will know what happened to the billions we have been looking for.
it is only then the nigerians will know why senators in the last two tenures became excessively rich.
afam, have u said anything about the april polls? the court decissions so far? inec's rapour with obj?  what is your take on the other probe panels so far?
at the point, how are rating your obj?
if the past eight years has become part of our teachings in nigerian schools, teachers must be mearnt to use demonstrative teachings. in this case afam, point to the projects and people arround there will confirm. i am in lagos now and am from imo state so let me know where your obj invest the billions so that we can possibly reffer the probe panel to that.
remember, the knife that obj sharpened against his enemies is been used against him now.
were u out of nigeria when ribadu was forced to go study, etteh was confirmed criminal, mark on the edge of going, his personal iyabo is on the run, el rufai was reduced to a tool, with yar adua as the milenium zumbie. his only hope now lies on the self made BOT chairman which will soon be changed.
the majority of nigerians will continue waiting but remember today as i have said it now.  
naijaking1
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #137 on: May 14, 2008, 11:02 AM »

Ironically many politicians from the country we copied our system of democracy would jump at any opportunity to address the House of Reps. on any issue whatsoever!

Despite the hew and cry from some people in this forum, I think OBJ is dying to address the House committee, just think about it, he could use the opportunity to reverse his dwindling political fortunes--- imagine seizing the moment from the media, his political enemies and friends.

Imagine OBJ and Atiku using the opportunity to answer questions to demonstrate how they have laid down their lives for this country!!! It would a spectaclar sight.

I don't suppose they don't know, because they have lots of good advisers.
Webbullion (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #138 on: May 14, 2008, 12:31 PM »

tHEY SAY TO WHO MUCH IS GIVEN MUCH IS EXPECTED ! THE SAME SAME SHOULD BE DONE TO IN TERMS OF PUNISHING WHOEVER GOES AGAINST THE LAW ! BEEN THE MAN THAT CREATED EFCC AND INSTALL ELUMELU , THATS THE MORE REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE DEALT WITH SO RUTHLESSLY THAT WILL SEND SIGNALS TO THE PEOPLE IN POWER NOW, THAT OUR DEMOCRACY IS NO MORE FOR ENRICHING THEIR PULSE ANYMORE, ITS STRICKLY SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE. USELESS GORILLA (OBJ) TRYING TO BYPASS THE REP !


MAKE UNA HOLD AM WELL WELL OOOOO,
basking4me
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #139 on: May 14, 2008, 12:41 PM »

I have discovered that the adage that says 'the empty barrel makes the most noise' is really true for some post writers here on Nairaland on baba's statement and issues of national importance. This Man is a Patriot. While Nigerians were basking in the Euphoria of Obasanjo's NIPP, we forget that we are getting into worse situation per day, the equipments bought with your money are there decaying where they are kept, and the contractors that have collected billions already from us are the same people we are messing up all over the place. How you do expect them to continue their work or expect to get result from them. Will a refund be possible fro an already started work. Think aboutit,

Anyone one who has been involved in multi million/billion naira contract will know jobs like that take time, not even to mention the nigerian situation: ministry settlements, bank/insurance delay and diaapointments, areasboys or nigerdelta youths, and you, the empoyee or employer.

Just the other day, my Chinese friend here in Nigeria was lamenting that Nigerians are lazy at work, I assisted him with the needed work force for a contract. Go to china and see the way work is been done there. Checkout UK, if you're working, your'e working, do we need CCTV installed at the work place for us to perform our jobs. We all want is get to the top but no one wants to climb, sorry but humans dont fly.

The problem with us especially the youth is that all we do is whin and cry , things are bad nigeria is bad, what have you done to makeit good, you dont need to be president to do that , ?, All the while House Reps were factfinding and witchhunting, things were getting worse and nobody saw it. HABA,  Nigerians. I have not seen in the past weeks of this discuss, any article offline or online that mentions the fact that the contractors be hastened up to complete their jobs or look at the loosing options for Nigeria.

The fact that baba is a two time ruler of this country goes to say alot. he should be given the respect due him. We thank God, now we have democracy, but even at that, we should exercise restraints when we discuss or handle issues of national importance. Politics is very much like religion or ethnicity , Volatile,  Respect higher authority, either by age or position, it is only by doing so that we ourselves get elevated.

Those that say Obasanjo did this or that anomaly are the same people who never really want to be a part of progress of our nation, ,  those are the people we call never constructive critics. INSTEAD OF FINDING SOLUTION, THEY ARE BUSY LOOKING AT THE PROBLEM!.
Sky Blue
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #140 on: May 14, 2008, 01:48 PM »

@basking4me while i wholeheartedly and genuinely agree with the whole idea of moving forward via proferring solutions can you really blame people when they ask how money was spent? I just find it ludacris that people get offended that citizens of their own country have the audacity to ask questions, it just does not make sense. What is so offensive about that? Are we so used to military ways of doing things? Why is it so offensive that people are asking how their money is spent? Are we not supposed to be in a democracy? What do you expect people who have been having to rely on generator even though they pay inflated NEPA bills to say, say "thank you sir"? And your last sentence, i just don't get it. If we don't even know the problem in the fist place how do we start attempting to offer solutions? The main objective right now should be aggressive expansion and building in the power sector and finishing of the projects already started, it is not rocket science. That is a very viable solution to the power problem. However your idea that people should just shut up their mouth when they feel that the money spent (their money) does not seem to justify the ammount of plants been built, their capacity and the work on ground i just don't understand. We have not held anybody accountable for the 8 years which has still left emergency in almost every sector have we? We really should be holding this current government right now accountable already. The simple truth of the matter is that we are were we are. However right now what is being done to move us away from this decay? This should the a focus. At thesame time genuine accountability of past governments should not be something to get mad at because the truth is we need accountabiltiy in government so that the next guy going in will know he can't just go and do as he pleases. Is that so offensive?
fyneguy
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #141 on: May 14, 2008, 01:53 PM »

LOL

I always laugh when people use Niger Delta crisis  as an excuse for the delay. How come the militants can't stop crude oil production in the Niger Delta? The oil companies still produce. Did the contractors complain to government and govt refused to provide security?

For me, it's really inexcusable. Government could have deployed the JTF to provide security if the threats were real.

Are they saying for as long as the militants are there, the projects won't be done?

These things are driving me crazy here.
fyneguy
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #142 on: May 14, 2008, 02:05 PM »

For me, OBJ still has to answer certain queries. The NIPP MD somewhat implicated him during interrogation, suggesting complicity in some of the wrongdoings. Even if he was not notified, he should still have ensured close monitoring of the projects- NIPP and others- to achieve the power goals. In this case, he's privy to some of the dereliction and fraud, yet he did nothing. Let him come and explain!
basking4me
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #143 on: May 14, 2008, 02:19 PM »

Hello Bluesky,

My submission is that, we should tread softly when we accuse our leaders, I can humbly tell you that many of the participants on this forum are people who are one way or the other related to the powers that be. it could go as far as being a friend uncles's sister husband thats the present senate president or permananet secretary.

It is true that the head bears the brunt for the body, but at the same time the head requires the support of the entire body to perform, thats how it is with goverment. If we continue to castigate our leaders the way we do, only mediocres will apply for political positions and people below you will get to leadership position.

There is nothing wrong with asking for accountabiltiy, but the mentality of labelling one as 'guilty as proclaimed' without hearing is the bane of the Nigerian public. We rush to conclusion,  its a problem. We should be more humane to political discussions and our leaders. I see a lot of backstabbers everyday on TV, people who ate and dined with our leaders but when there are issues to deal with, solutions to be proffered (that is when they start looking at the problem)  they deny and castigate just to get to the headlines as not in support.
fyneguy
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #144 on: May 14, 2008, 02:45 PM »

@baskingme,

I agree with you we should not call our leaders names. However, we can ask them to come and explain certains things to us and when they scheme to evade this, well they should be the consequences.

Obasanjo called people names when he was in power. So if he's called names now, he should understand and bear it. What goes round, comes round.
debosky (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #145 on: May 14, 2008, 04:48 PM »

Obasanjo and Atiku's appearance before the committee would simply turn it into a greater circus - either their 'enemies' would use the opportunity to ridicule them and make pot shots, or the men themselves may resort to playing to the gallery - either way, it would not have caused anything more than additional fodder for the tabloids.

@ fyneguy

you are really being naive about your oil industry comment - if Shell's production has been cut down from over 1million bpd to less than half that figure today because of ND issues, how much more projects that are still in construction phase? Are you unaware of the times when Julius Berger and other contractors PULLED OUT of the ND due to insecurity? How many soldiers do you want to use to police the projects? lets be realistic in terms of the criticisms leveled please.

A big portion of this problem can be adduced to the current administration's 'rule of law' policy - refusing to allocate or disburse more funds 'until a proper costing of the actual requirement was undertaken by a completely neutral team because he has lost confidence in the bureaucrats in the Ministry of Power and Steel and the Power Holding Company of Nigeria (PHCN)'

So it took them a whole year to set up a panel to go round, who are still going round and have not finished?

It is delays like these that people overlook - If Yar'adua came in and decided to complete the crucial projects - Alaoji that was almost done , pipelines to Geregu and Papalanto, we would have seen a semblance of improvement now. The current near-blackout the nation is experiencing is being attributed to lack of funding again - why make these extensive delays worsen an already egregious situation?

@ Landis
The statement made about Mambilla was misleading at best - a $3.2 million feasibility study was awarded and was supposed to be completed in 15 months, there are conflicting reports as to whether this was completed or not, and it has not been resolved one way or the other

The other 'contract' was a $1.4billion contract for a 2600MW Mambilla Power Station, to be financed and built with a loan from the Chinese Exim Bank and a Chinese firm responsible for the Three Gorges Project ( largest hydro project in the world) built in China. In exchange the China National Oil Company was supposed to receive oil blocks, so far Engineering Design is said to be taking place. Apart from the $3.2m which could in all likelyhood have been embezzled (appropriate action should be taken against the firm if proven) nothing more has occurred with respect to Mambilla.

What do you expect to see on site? It took the Chinese nearly 14 years to complete the Three Gorges project, yet you expect a dam to be visible on site after a year? When the design and engineering have not even been completed? When the exact terms of payment have not been negotiated?

One other thing - why did Usman - minister of Finance have to announce this so called 'team going round' in Angola and not here at home? I suspect this is another round of playing to the gallery, this current government's stagnation of projects is as much to blame for the parlous situation as anything else.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #146 on: May 14, 2008, 05:13 PM »

Quote from: basking4me on May 14, 2008, 02:19 PM


My submission is that, we should tread softly when we accuse our leaders, I can humbly tell you that many of the participants on this forum are people who are one way or the other related to the powers that be. it could go as far as being a friend uncles's sister husband thats the present senate president or permananet secretary.


Can You imagine?  Angry If u don't want to be offended , then tell your brothers, parents or whoever not to be corrupt.
This statement reminds of one by a so called states man that advocates "we should not open up a can of worms". It is only in Nigeria You would hear such  Angry Matter of fact, I am glad this is riling a lot of people up. This goes to show that a lot of water passed through the bridge and most of us are just afraid of getting to know the truth.

The Nigerian government I know have boxed themselves into a situation that the citizens now regards every government official as guilty until proven innocent and not the other way round. If there is any group of people on earth that have earned the right to be cynical and pessimsitic towards their leaders , it is the Nigerians. The onus lies on Obj to come prove to us that he is innocent and not the other way round. 

I have been following this thread since page 1 and Skyblue's question a couple of pages ago still remains unanswered. Rather, the view point of  Obj's protagonists is that relatively and comparatively speaking Obj did better than his predeccessors. Ol'boy a thief is a thief. It does not matter the amount that was stolen.

What I want to know is "Was Obj better than his predeccessor or was he just less corrupt given the circumstances"?

Pictures are nice and it is said to be worth a thousand words. As a result of that it is hard raising arguments against debosky's posts that were backed with illustrations. But I would have to say this. When Obj commisioned the project in Rivers state , I also saw pictures of that in one of the dailies. Now fast track toi the present and somebody is telling me that what was done was actually powered by a nearby generator and that Obj was told specifically which switch to flick on. Well, go figure!!!

debosky (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #147 on: May 14, 2008, 06:43 PM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on May 14, 2008, 05:13 PM

What I want to know is "Was Obj better than his predeccessor or was he just less corrupt given the circumstances"?


Let the facts speak for themselves (at least with regards to power)

in the 15 years prior to the Obj regime, no power stations or transmission infrastructure was added to the existing stock, except for the completion of Jebba and Shiroro. In Obj's tenure large scale rehabilitation and the completion of 5 new generation stations (albeit hampered by gas supply and transmission issues) has been achieved. Obviously given the enormous extent of the problem, this  appears to be a mere drop in the bucket, but in terms of being 'better' - the assets on ground serve as evidence.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #148 on: May 14, 2008, 06:50 PM »


Very sensible, debo.

 I aint saying he did not do anything, just like U would not say that Babangidan, Abacha et al did absolutely nothing (albeit a military junta). That brings us back full circle to Sky's question.  Was the money spent to do all this proportional to the amount of work actually done? Honestly, I dont know the answer to that. But given the track records of the Nigerian government (of which Obj has once been a part) I am willing to go with a nay. The onus lies on him to prove us wrong.

Or we saying everybody should be hush and thank him cos he was less corrupt than his predecessors? Undecided
debosky (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #149 on: May 14, 2008, 07:05 PM »

@ Uche

I would be the LAST person to say we hush up and just pat him on the back. He obviously could have managed the projects better, started them earlier and exercised more oversight. There is definitely some level of corruption/defaulting by contractors as well as collusion between government agents and some of these shady contractors. Anyone denying that is simply being mendacious.

The truth is that no one really seems to be interested in asking these questions - there seems to be more to be gained by saying OBJ wasted $16billion than really evaluating how much was spent and how much was misspent. If the Finance Minister is recently saying that their team is just beginning to evaluate how much was spent and all, how on earth did the outrageous figures initially put forward emerge? Did someone just dream them up and say them to appear intelligent or for cheap political gain?

Lets get this straight - OBJ of course takes the final blame for the failure of power generation during his tenure, whether due to unforeseen circumstances or conditions, the buck stops at his desk. Now the other pertinent question is, what degree of corruption/collusion was he involved in personally or did he have knowledge of? Let us get down to the nitty gritty and deal with the facts.

In all these allegations and counter allegations, the closest we have heard to OBJ was that Iyabo and her co-horts got a contract, which was later canceled with no payment. If there is any evidence pointing to corrupt enrichment let it be put forth.

What punishment/chastisement does OBJ deserve for the poor management of these projects?

This is what should be determined, along with the MOST IMPORTANT GOAL of all - making sure that the funds spent don't go to waste and deliver results as soon as possible, not all the posturing we are getting from the Yar'adua regime and the current Legislature.
dangermous
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #150 on: May 14, 2008, 07:30 PM »

I say make them carry Obj go Lafenwa square for there,

give am like 100 good ones for im geriatric yansh.

I trust my Sha-ria people. Dey no get time for sme sme.
chidichris (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #151 on: May 14, 2008, 07:35 PM »

baskin4me,
pls tell me one country of this world where the citizens are more patient than nigerians.
pls tell me among our politicians who after his tenure come back as anormal man.
99.99999% of nigerian politicians become super rich within their first year in office, is it the same in every other country?
are u not aware that nigerians are suffering? is it surposed to be so? pls reffer me to any other country of the world where is the only issue government looks into for a tenure of four years.
my dear, if you lack what to say, u can overlook the topic because checks and balances are the major xteristics of democracy.
if they are not hiding anything, let them go face the panel.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #152 on: May 14, 2008, 07:36 PM »

Quote from: debosky on May 14, 2008, 07:05 PM
Now the other pertinent question is, what degree of corruption/collusion was he involved in personally or did he have knowledge of? Let us get down to the nitty gritty and deal with the facts.


That is a very important question and the answer to that would not be ascertained until an investigation is carried out. I have said it before it is not the fact that Obj is under scrutiny that bothers me. It is the way and manner by which the panel is going about it that really bothers me. I wont even vouch for the integrity of those on the panel. We all know how El-Rufai stood before a panel and  indicted some of the members of the panel of having benefitted from his so- called "crimes". Now how can You be heading a probe panel when You actually benefitted from the largesse.  Undecided

Having said that, if Obj appears before a panel and proves to all and sundry that
1) He was not , either by direct involvement or by association, involved in the mis-spending of the finances meant for the power sector
 and
2) He was not aware of  the fact that the money was being misused by government officials , contractors et al,
 then I would be the first person to say he should be let go but he has just moved from a corrupt president to a very incompetent and lackadasical president. That does not do him much good either.


Quote from: debosky on May 14, 2008, 07:05 PM


@ Uche

I would be the LAST person to say we hush up and just pat him on the back. He obviously could have managed the projects better, started them earlier and exercised more oversight. There is definitely some level of corruption/defaulting by contractors as well as collusion between government agents and some of these shady contractors. Anyone denying that is simply being mendacious.

The truth is that no one really seems to be interested in asking these questions - there seems to be more to be gained by saying OBJ wasted $16billion than really evaluating how much was spent and how much was misspent. If the Finance Minister is recently saying that their team is just beginning to evaluate how much was spent and all, how on earth did the outrageous figures initially put forward emerge? Did someone just dream them up and say them to appear intelligent or for cheap political gain?


$16 billion or not , the fact remains there were some glaring anomalies. Is there any possibility that there was some miss information or exaggeration on the part of the committee? Of , course. This is Nigeria for you. When Bankole came out to say that there was no record for the sale of oil for the past 40 years, would I believe him? Hell, No!!!! However, I do believe there was a lot personal aggrandisement during the course of those 40 years. So, I would not say because Bankole inflated his figures that we should let all those guys go. Come show us that You did not steal $16 billion but rather You stole $2 billion.  Grin At least, your penalty would be drastically reduced.
basking4me
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #153 on: May 14, 2008, 07:50 PM »

Thank you Debosky for your constructive comments on the thread, like I said on my first discuss of the topic, some people are just here to point accusing fingers. No matter what you tell them, all they are after is to down trod.

I wrote about non constructive criticism earlier, now we are having everything muddled up, the first time 'Uche2nna' is dishing out his best, the next time, he's saying somebody should tell his father to stop stealing,    what is that.

Does Nigeria belong to you alone such that all these things happening and those that have happened are only being felt by you Alone?, because you'll tell me now 'that the thing is paining you', thats why you are reacting so?, Realise that anyone that is President is a father to the people of the country irrespective of his tribal affinity, so if you call Obasanjo my brother or father, all well and good, but that makes him your father too since you're a Nigerian and not a Biafran.

Please all I have asked for is to be constructive and look at the problem, profer a solution and MOVE ON just as AFAM, Bluesky and Debosky are propagating, we dont need to brood over the problem for too long.

Our Elders say that ' he that tries to watch the stunts of the crab will wait endlessly by the seaside', we donot have to continue this way, what is the way forward should be our new song,
ono (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #154 on: May 14, 2008, 07:53 PM »

Like I said in my first entry, OBJ failed only in carrying the incoming administration along - or better still, taking time to intimate Yaradua on what he has done (and what's remaining to be done) so far with power generation in the country!

This probably could be the result of his clamouring for a third term in office. Remember he spent the last months of his administration trying to get the NA to approve of his constitutional amendments plus third term runs. He couldn't have had anytime to convince a sick Yaradua on what he has done.

A well informed Yaradua would not go to press shouting at the rooftop accusing the last administration of spending $16billion on power plants without any visible sign of infrastructure on ground. Conversely, it is possible OBJ did his bit to inform Yaradua, but the man was just too busy attending to other things, trying to settle down or attending to his terminal ailments that he just did not bother to listen to OBJ.

Either way, I believe a communication breakdown of some sort led to the present logjam that we find oursleves in as regards power generation. I must state here also that the Nigeria press did not help matters at all. At the time they ought to do proper investigation into this matter, they were analysing the outbursts of the retired Lt. Gen TY Danjuma talking about one Ota OBJ and the one he met in the Army.

Going forward, I once again posit, Yaradua should just continue where OBJ left off. Let the law takes it course as regards offending executive members of OBJ cabinet.
dangermous
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #155 on: May 14, 2008, 07:53 PM »

But u people sef suppose knw say the whole thing has something of the witch hunt about it

I dey watch the Abuja probe the other day and particular sections of the panel were trying to help
Rufai implicate Obj anyway possible.

Panelist: You had the ex President's authority to do X

Rufai: Yes

Panelist: In essence to commit a wrongdoing

Rufai: Please don't put words in my mouth

Panelist: I will believe you if the ex President pushed you to such

Like na wa sha.

Agagu came to the power probe and pretty much said exactly what Debosky is arguing here.

the two power plants in Ondo state, Omotosho or papalanto whatever are practically finished.

All they need is an extra input of two million dollars or so and a few hundred megawatts of chasis not Tokunbo enegy

will be available . But the Panel is so engrossed in its witch hunt, they are about to drop the ball on this one.



This witch hunt will not bring us more power and that is koko of the matter. More power.

If you haven't noticed, the mosquitoes in Lagos are getting more dare-devillish. Only Power go save us

from them.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #156 on: May 14, 2008, 08:07 PM »

@ basking4me

If U are saying that we should let sleeping dogs lie just because we are going to be ruffling a few feathers, then I would tell U that has been the bane of Nigeria. There are too many sacred cows in Nigeria!!!! Maybe one day we would find a way to move foward with this sacred cow mentality tho I dont see that happening in the near future

If U are saying we should let sleeping dogs lie just because nothing is going to come out of it, then I agree. But I have to remind U that we should also be prepared to let sleeping dogs lie after Yar' adua has completed his tenure. We wont have to shout if he comes out 2 yrs after his admin and tells us how he tried to fix up the power sector and how he was still stuck with the design phase ,which of course would be grossly over-priced. Thats a very good way of moving foward, I would say.

Now, if U are saying we should let sleeping dogs lie because it would derail completing whatever Obj has put on ground. I have one question : Are these two event s mutually exclusive. Cant we keep on working with whatever we have and still look into how the contracts were awarded ? Cant we do both?

I really dont know what biafra has to do with this, so I would not comment on that.

Uche2nna (m)
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #157 on: May 14, 2008, 08:10 PM »

Quote from: basking4me on May 14, 2008, 07:50 PM
.

I wrote about non constructive criticism earlier, now we are having everything muddled up, the first time 'Uche2nna' is dishing out his best, the next time, he's saying somebody should tell his father to stop stealing,    what is that.

Exactly, what it is. Stop stealing !!!
dangermous
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #158 on: May 14, 2008, 08:12 PM »

@Uche

They are not mutually exclusive, but the point be say, the probe's focus has avoided

the real issue. How to get more power?

basking4me
Re: 'My Power Project Story' By Olusegun Obasanjo
« #159 on: May 14, 2008, 08:17 PM »

Thank you for your input 'Dangermouse',  Well said, 'Ono' your inputs are well appreciated too. All we need is way forward. the onus falls on us to chat a way for the growth of every sector of our country. Ghanians wont come and do that for us nor will Even the UK do it.

We need to engage the services of the bold and courageous amongst us to chart a way forward, we can start the positive engagements from Nairaland here, I only dont want Seun to see us using this medium to achieving socio-political ends. He's a Nigerian too and am sure he wont be averse to the idea of using his platform to improving the lots of our people.
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