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Spermdrops (m)
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he he he he he he he  Hmmmmmmmmmmmm! Whose turn is it to serve?
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oldie (m)
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I might be insulted for this, but who cares?
There are too many public affairs commentators in Nairaland who base their arguments on hearsay, half truths, ignorance and outright "brainlessness"
Their arguments are not coherent, factual or are based on what they pickup in beer parlours etc,
Afam, I may not agree with you, on some of your posts, I am with you on this one.
Insults and name calling do not win arguments. Intelligent facts do!
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dee02 (m)
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Dis is the thread where most adults behave like kiddies with diapers 
I am loving it
The thread has shifted from Obasanjo-the honourable author of the story of power project to personal verbal attacks, name calling, political vociferousness, defensive/bias stances, lack of common sense (at times ) crushing, bashing, spitting, rhyming, murmuring, insults, immaturity (at times ), d/is-respect for freedom of speech, d/is-respect for personality, people forcing others to accept their opinions and counter-accusations!
Bravo guys, it is what i like about Nigerians, una too much!
Whoz next please?!
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Kobojunkie
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@ Afam I went away from Nairaland for along while after I and a friend emonkey were attacked by mad dogs simply because we felt different to statements such as "most Nigerians are fraudsters" . Suffice to say that the main proponent of that idea on this forum (a US based security guard) fell silent to the question about how many members of his own family are among the "most" Nigerians who are fraudsters. I have since accepted that it takes all sorts to make up Nairaland - the good, the mad and the hungry (and angry) . Let people rant , if it is the way that they can keep from going stark raving mad. I have several times observed as well that once you are seen not to be insulting Obasanjo , either on Nairaland and elsewhere and not calling for his public execution by hanging and firing squad, then you are anti-progress.  . And nothing is being done anymore other than Obasanjo-bashing . Even the man who catches malaria blames it on Obasanjo , and also the one who goes to a prostitute and catches a disease. Na Obasanjo cause am. May be it would have been a good thing if an industry is officially built around all this and Fashola permits street traders to sell "Kill Obasanjo" face caps, T-shirts , flags , keyholders and other stuff on Lagos roads. Of course we may wish that other people are as sensible as the rest of us when making allegations in public , but remember no two heads are alike - there are good ones, there are bad ones (ori buruku), there are empty ones , some are full of stone and lead ( ori dota) and a lot are just full of sawdust and garbage. Peace. ------ but oga, you are the one ranting and going stark raving mad on here cause folks DONT AGREE WITH YOU. Are you sure you want to go around posting this in public forums were folks can post a response ?? I am just saying.------ some of us are here to push the pins on people like you , it is kind of a hobby for some people, FYI , ROFLMAOI do agree with you when you say that the new trend seems to be to blame everything on Obasanjo but I have to say that the man had 8 solid years to do something substantial in the country. I mean if he had, say, focused on making sure that the federal roads were all fixed and in good shape, but that is not the case. So the people are left to judge half finished projects which it took him 8 years to get to where they are now. I would be fuming if after 8 years, my contractor had not at least finished one solid project.
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Spermdrops (m)
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More please! 
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doncaster (m)
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This Afam of a guy is just a waste of sparmdrop  Lest i forget he sales power generating set, have seen his post advertising his products. Never will he support anything power in Nigeria.
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dee02 (m)
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This Afam of a guy is just a waste of sparmdrop  Lest i forget he sales power generating set, have seen his post advertising his products. Never will he support anything power in Nigeria. buahhhahahahahahahaa 
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Afam (m)
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This Afam of a guy is just a waste of sparmdrop  Lest i forget he sales power generating set, have seen his post advertising his products. Never will he support anything power in Nigeria. Another post by someone that should have been aborted a long time ago. As usual when idiots like these lose out in any argument they lie, fabricate things to suit their warped sense of reasoning. For the records, I do not sell generating sets, I do not manufacture them, another shameless lie by someone that was just a pure waste of orgasm. @topic, Unfortunately but not unexpected some people have taken the usual stand that Afam is abusing anyone that disagrees with him. For the records, I never insult anyone for having a different view or opinion on any issue whatsoever. However, I usually respond to insults in kind so whenever I am insulted because I have an opposing view by anyone I will always respond in kind, no apologies whatsoever on this position. Even twins from the same womb differ on issues so I wonder why people cannot tolerate positions they do not expressly agree with. So, those that want to agree or disagree without name calling and abuses no wahala. Those that cannot do without abusing others just tag along I will return your insults without delay. I am cool relating with people either as friends or as foes. This forum is for sharing of ideas, I doubt if this is a political platform for people to carry out politically motivated attacks on people. Lies, misinformation, deceits etc must be exposed to prevent innocent Nigerians from being deceived by those spreading them.
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olrotimi (m)
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but why don't this guty jus kip quiet for hell's sake
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dee02 (m)
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Haha
Dis is d playground of persistent and never ending barrage of personal attacks and insults
Just like Monaco is the playground of the rich boys,
OTTA farm the playground of looters and wowos!
Whoz next to be savaged and who is next to dish it out the venom !
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olrotimi (m)
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who's next? think baba will be in the play ground for quite a while,and we'll keep singing, who's in the garden, a big fat bell, [b][/b]
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e-monkey (m)
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Now that the dust has settled for fighting maybe there is someone able to contribute to an intelligent discussion. How do you think Nigeria's power problems can be solved in as little time as possible ? privatise fully ? privatise partially ? purchase a portable generator for each Nigerian ? Please place your vote and comment here http://www.rateoga.com/?q=node/131
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dee02 (m)
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Now that the dust has settled for fighting maybe there is someone able to contribute to an intelligent discussion. How do you think Nigeria's power problems can be solved in as little time as possible ? privatise fully ? privatise partially ? purchase a portable generator for each Nigerian ? Please place your vote and comment here /www.rateoga.com/[/b]?q=node/131]http://www.rateoga.com/?q=node/131 No and thanks but no thanks!We don't want to rate oga!
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pafun (m)
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No and thanks but no thanks!We don't want to rate oga!
We are just happy enough to BLAME OGA joo  Let all the leaders go to hell . Na me give them job ? Una no see me as I foolish ? Common light man no get . Na suffer suffer everyday. Pure water N10 . Haba! O'boy dash me red ink too make I write
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dee02 (m)
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We are just happy enough to BLAME OGA joo  Let all the leaders go to hell . Na me give them job ? Una no see me as I foolish ? Common light man no get . Na suffer suffer everyday. Pure water N10 . Haba! O'boy dash me red ink too make I write my brother i tire oo  we wey no dey country sef dey feel the pain for people wey dey naija!
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pafun (m)
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my brother i tire oo  we wey no dey country sef dey feel the pain! You mean you sef dey suffer for England ? Wetin you come dey find for there ? oga my own foolish never reach that one sha 
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dee02 (m)
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You mean you sef dey suffer for England ? Wetin you come dey find for there ? oga my own foolish never reach that one sha  mumu i dey talk say i dey feel for my people wey dey naija suffer for england, for where! 
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debosky (m)
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To fyneguy claiming the power projects were 'white elephant' projects
How come it is the same 'white elephants' that Yaradua is banking on to generate 6,000MW in the next 18 months by completing the NIPP?
Lets not mix up sentiments here - it is not about defending OBJ, it is about a government seemingly bent on excusing its own inactivity/inability to act on the failures of the past regime - a full 12 months after they have been in power. That to me is untenable. Even as at May 29 2007, a mere 12 months ago, the power situation was at least better than right now with 2500-3000MW being generated consistently - some fraction of these coming from the so called white elephant projects.
Granted there were some managerial and planning deficiencies in the OBJ NIPP implementation and conceptualization, and those should be corrected forthwith, but what does NIGERIA gain from all this wild sensationalism that Yardie's lieutenants are engaging in? Bandying astronomic figures with no basis in reality, deliberately obfuscating such that truth is difficult to separate from fiction?
People are making this all about OBJ and his persona - it is NOT. Yes the buck stopped at his table, what we need is an OBJECTIVE and rational assessment of what he spent, how he spent it and what it achieved - not political point scoring by engaging in the new national past time 'Obj bashing'.
This in my opinion is not settling for mediocrity as some people have implied - its a pragmatic view point, more focused on actually changing things and bringing the much needed power to Nigerians, not on rubbishing OBJ's work (or poor work) for your own pleasure - that changes NOTHING on the ground.
This government should focus on building pipelines to connect the completed power projects in Geregu, Papalanto, Omotosho, Alaoji and others and determine how much it will cost to complete the rest of the projects. Simultaneously they should do their much vaunted 'planning' and lets see what their true targets are - Denying projects of funds for one year and then coming back to claim they are not completed is not only devious, it is downright criminal to deny Nigerians power in the guise of rubbishing a past leader.
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Uche2nna (m)
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Granted there were some managerial and planning deficiencies in the OBJ NIPP implementation and conceptualization, and those should be corrected forthwith
Ok. To fyneguy claiming the power projects were 'white elephant' projects
People are making this all about OBJ and his persona - it is NOT. Yes the buck stopped at his table, what we need is an OBJECTIVE and rational assessment of what he spent, how he spent it and what it achieved - not political point scoring by engaging in the new national past time 'Obj bashing'.
I believe the cronies of Obj are actually the ones taking it personal. Someone even told me that I should mind how I post because Obj is somebody's father 
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debosky (m)
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@ Uche That last comment was hopefully tongue-in-cheek by whoever made it  , but seriously, why must you be an OBJ 'plant' or his PR officer if you can look at what is on ground and come up with SOME positives? Does acknowledgment of a tangible contribution to the power situation on ground needing minor additional spending to bring a real impact on the ground to Nigerians instantly mean you are an OBJ conscript who enjoyed the loot of office as well? three-quarters of the posts on this page alone are focused on 'Otta' or 'OBJ' and what not. Granted he is very much part of the problem we are discussing, but this should be more about POWER not focused solely on the players. Let the ills be revealed - whoever slipped up should be punished by all means. Let the House of Reps spend 10 years doing that if they wish, the Executive on the other hand should get out its plan NOW and begin to implement, else their much vaunted planning will not result in much in the end.
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dee02 (m)
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Ok at all fueding parties, check this out: Thunder fire all of OBJ's foot soldiers, OBJ paid sponsors, PR advisers and whatever And OBJ himself, lucipher strike him with goblets of molten magma! LMMFAO I don't give a rocks about OBJ and his supporters or himself, they can all shit off!
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naijaking1
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Lets not mix up sentiments here - it is not about defending OBJ, it is about a government seemingly bent on excusing its own inactivity/inability to act on the failures of the past regime - a full 12 months after they have been in power. That to me is untenable. Even as at May 29 2007, a mere 12 months ago, the power situation was at least better than right now with 2500-3000MW being generated consistently - some fraction of these coming from the so called white elephant projects.
Granted there were some managerial and planning deficiencies in the OBJ NIPP implementation and conceptualization, and those should be corrected forthwith, but what does NIGERIA gain from all this wild sensationalism that Yardie's lieutenants are engaging in? Bandying astronomic figures with no basis in reality, deliberately obfuscating such that truth is difficult to separate from fiction?
People are making this all about OBJ and his persona - it is NOT. Yes the buck stopped at his table, what we need is an OBJECTIVE and rational assessment of what he spent, how he spent it and what it achieved - not political point scoring by engaging in the new national past time 'Obj bashing'.
This in my opinion is not settling for mediocrity as some people have implied - its a pragmatic view point, more focused on actually changing things and bringing the much needed power to Nigerians, not on rubbishing OBJ's work (or poor work) for your own pleasure - that changes NOTHING on the ground.
This game of "buck-passing" will not give power to Nigeria. I am so disappointed that you have resorted to blaming Yardua and his associates for 'sensationalizing' this report. You have also forgotten that OBJ personally, handily, and willfully picked an unwilling Yardua to succeed him in office. So, you can go round, and round, and round all you want, the truth remains that OBJ seems to have squandered Nigeria's opportunity to produce enough power for her citizens for the past 8 years. If adequate power had been produced as in phone service, OBJ would have been more than pleased to recieve all the accolade. By making excuses for OBJ at this time, people like you unwittenly lay the foundation stone for Yardua's excuses for failure after his own tenure. There is no better opportunity to objectively assess how much OBJ spent, and how much success he had in the power sector than the current House committee hearings. No question, there will be lies, fabrications, and political grand- standing, but at the end, and with all the evidents, we should come closer to the truth. OBJ may even be vindicated by the whole process, who knows? Another reason to give the process a chance.
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Uche2nna (m)
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This game of "buck-passing" will not give power to Nigeria. I am so disappointed that you have resorted to blaming Yardua and his associates for 'sensationalizing' this report. You have also forgotten that OBJ personally, handily, and willfully picked an unwilling Yardua to succeed him in office.

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naijaking1
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There is no point they can raise that would not generate 10 counter-points to smash their baised logic.
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chidichris (m)
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Debosky, u said yar adua is banking on. how long is he going to bank on these projects? how many of our past presidents had banked on uncompleted projects and how far did they go? did obj inherit incomplete projects and how did he bank on them. the masses are dying on daily basses and people are starving to death and we are here banking. how is yar adaua and how did he come from to bank on these projects and whose mandate is he?
afam, most of us who do not have sense or points to make have been able to point to our roads, the state of our security, power supply, elections and level of corruptions in different levels of our government since 1999, what are your own points. if time is not taken our obj infected intellectuals will point to the timely removal of okonjo iweala from the ministry of finance, the promotion of coperate thugs like adedibu, chris uba, andy uba, bode george, tony annenih and a host of others including the wonders of seducing his daughter inlaw with federal contracts as the better side of holy obj.
if the idea of asking him how he ruled is a bad one, why did he probe abacha's family? from the day obj restricted his probe agenda to the abachas was the day i rejected his motives.
if the ibos have generally accepted that orji uzo kalu is a criminal as alleged, what was the crime of Chris Ngige?
afam, now that obj does not have a son in his house that trust him, why don't u apply to be adopted by the wonderful father that u could not have?
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naijaking1
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afam, if the idea of asking him how he ruled is a bad one, why did he probe abacha's family? from the day obj restricted his probe agenda to the abachas was the day i rejected his motives.
Excellent point!
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Xiomarra
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Enjoying political section for a change! More please I say! This is good! 
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chidichris (m)
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Debosky, one more point i would want to clear here for u. it is all about obj and ottah farm because that was how the eight years was controlled. almost all the major decissions were taken solely by obj and ottah hosted more presidential/party meetings than aso rock and other places. to back this up, the idea of an elected president of nigeria becoming the petrolium minister at the same time was a perssonal decission for his personal reasons. the idea of hand picking almost all of the politicians in our various political offices before and during april polls was personal. the efcc in question has won several awards since its inception for her perfect jobs so it is surprising that none of u is ready to tell us what is wrong with obj and his daughter talking to efcc - our only hope or are we all coming into agreement now that efcc is a political tool used to witch hunt and is still been used for witch hunting?
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fyneguy
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@Debosky
I am yet to hear from Yaradua govt that it's banking on the NIPP to achieve 6,000 megawatts as you claimed. What the minister said was that the NIPP project was haphazardly planned and it's very difficult to achieve anything through it.
Do you really blame Yaradua for taking his time on this power issue? if you were the president of Nigeria and in the process of taking inventories on the power project, discovered so many irregularities and uncertainties at the expense of national revenue, would you just jump inside and pump in more funds, all in the name of protecting your benefactor's image- OBJ?
If you didnt see anything annoying in OBJ's 8 years of failure to improve the power situation, then you were very unfair to Yaradua for 'inactivity in 12 months'.
I watched the house of reps' public hearing and listened to the so called contractors and ofcourse the NIPP MD. I insist that OBJ has questions to answer. I have read his purported letter to the panel. It didnt answer these questions. A credible elderstates man, who really is interested in the people, would bury his ego and clarify things before the panel.
It seems to me all you , protagonists of Otta farmer, want is for Yaradua to pretend nothing happened and perform magic to make NIPP work. If he failed to make NIPP work, then he would be bashed for it in 2011, whereas the initiator had messed things up for him.
whether we like it or not, OBJ will be brought to justice someday!
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maxell (f)
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Point of correction
Just wanted to keep folks up to date with this power debate because I have seen lots of misinformation thrown around this thread.
The NIPP plants at Geregu, Papalanto and Omotosho have been completed. The only reason they aren't producing power is inadequate gas pipeline to fuel them and yar'adua's minister of state for power just announced yesterday that the gas pipelines to these plants should be completed by June this year.
The NIPP plant at Alaoji I believe is over 95% completed. That brings the total to 4 plants that are completed.
Also, the amount of money spent is somewhere around $5 billion dollars. The $10 billion and $16 billion being mentioned here and there were just figures thrown out there before the right figure was arrived at.
The central bank, finance ministry and accountant general of the federation have all stated (at the house probe sittings) that the amount spent is around $5 billion. We should please use the correct figures in our posts. Thx.
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