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Sky Blue
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Ok then, so let us take OBJs own account as the gospel truth. He stated in the article that the actual capital spent on power is $6.5billion. So there, does that now make everything better? Does that now make the progress made anywhere near satisfactory or applaudable as opposed to disgrceful? If the progress is not satisfactory then why is this the case and why could it not be addressed in the 8 years he was in power? So it takes 8 years to know a bridge is needed to transport the components? Sorry, but again i see obvious failure and excuses are yet to convince me. If we can't see that the progress made in 8 years in the power sector after billions of dollars was spent is not acceptable then sorry, but i guess Nigerians better go into hibernation mode and not expect any progress for the next 50 years. Yaradua can "attempt" to build power plants after all his time in power and that would be ok.
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abushaheed
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It is only rational to expect results as speedy as possible if such huge amount of raw cash have been issued for a period of 4-8 years. How can we keep talking about fact when the real facts are so glaring. 4 example; how long will it take the OBJ administration to dualize the ABUJA-LOKOJA road, which has claimed alot of lives?  or do we need some sort of customized equipments 2 construct the road? not 2 mention but little from the scores of abnormalities that were portions of his so called GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, this MAN has failed us, let him answer the call. |
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Afam (m)
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Ok then, so let us take OBJs own account as the gospel truth. He stated in the article that the actual capital spent on power is $6.5billion. So there, does that now make everything better? Does that now make the progress made anywhere near satisfactory or applaudable as opposed to disgrceful? If the progress is not satisfactory then why is this the case and why could it not be addressed in the 8 years he was in power? So it takes 8 years to know a bridge is needed to transport the components? Sorry, but again i see obvious failure and excuses are yet to convince me. If we can't see that the progress made in 8 years in the power sector after billions of dollars was spent is not acceptable then sorry, but i guess Nigerians better go into hibernation mode and not expect any progress for the next 50 years. Yaradua can "attempt" to build power plants after all his time in power and that would be ok.
The content in bold refers, I am not here to convince you. The most important thing is pushing correct and factual information to Nigerians so that Nigerians can get angry or be happy based on facts and not manipulations by the elite that tend to use us to achieve their selfish means. |
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Sky Blue
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Ok then so here are the facts. Obasanojo was in power for 8 years. In those eight years billions of dollars were spent on power. Before he got into power Nigeria had about 1500mW generating capacity. After all those billions of dollars spent Nigeria cannot generate up to 4000mW if even 3000mW. After all the money spent there are currently no power stations that can generate up to 1000mW. Nigerians spend billions of dollars on fuel and generator every year. I am sure i have left a lot out haven't i?
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amaikama (m)
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Yes sky blue! you have done more than enough talk.  |
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SegzyJoe (m)
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This is an interesting thread, but what amazed me is the fact that some nairalanders are not interested in what Obj has to say but rather tried with much strain to assert that OBJ is guilty as charged. I sincerely believe that no one is above the law and no matter who is involved the law should take its course, however am always dismayed that in Nigeria, there is no difference between allegation and being guilty, once you re alleged of wrong doin, it is the same as guilty in Nigeria.
Sometimes ago, i posted Special Report by Vangaurd and Guardian on the ongoing power sector probe on how the committee ask frivolous questions not relevant to discovering the truth, arriving project sites by 7:15pm in the night and leaving by 8pm, how on many occasions, it take persuation to get the honourable off their jeeps to inspect the sites. Nigeria is a complicated country, some honourable have become millionairs just because of this probe, liitle wonder legislators are fighting to be a member of one probe panel or the other, i laughed yesterday when i see another probe panel probing the capital market, and i said to myself that very soon we will have panel that will probe dressing on the campuses.
The truth is if it is easy to construct a power station in a giffy, why has successive govt not invested in it in 20yrs? It is easy to condemn OBJ, funny enough most people read about allegation against him on the newspapers, but the first attempt by OBJ to defend himself is seen as a cover up, he's guilty as charge, the question is if u don't believe OBJ, then why do you believe all the other unsubtantiated reports, well that's Nigerian factor.
The man has his faults but to be sincere, OBJ has done his best for Nigeria, again except we comprehend the level of decay in the system we may not be able to appreciate what he has done.
One thing i will remeber OBJ for is that he used some of the best brains to move Nigeria out of the wood irrespective of their ethnic backgrounds from debt relief and re-payment to sanitizing the stock market and bank consolidation, from heavily indebted nation to $45billion reserve ($58b), from 400 hundred thousand Nitel land lines to 60million GSM subscribers, from a pariah state to a member of civilized nation, from less than 1% growth rate to 5% growth to mention a few. Anybody can disagree with these, yes you ve the right to disagree, but time will tell if actually OBJ is as bad as he has been portrayed. In the meantime i join baba to say "I pity Nigeria"
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SegzyJoe (m)
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@ halavoke
how did you establish OBJ's guiltiness? Is it by mere allegation? or by what? Comon sense is scarce on nairaland no be small.
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lucabrasi (m)
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this obj still commands a lot of respect,even though he hasnt made any categorical statement,some people are already doing a volunteer explanation for him prolly the people that benefited from the windfall,obj has not made any statement on the whole thing this article like others are just speculations
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oolumide
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It is obvious that many Nigerian leading politians are playing the if i can't be there i can scatter it syndrome. It is so obvious that many of them are just out to rubbish OBJ since they can never become president of Nigeria. Many people criticising OBJ cannot even run a local govt without financial scandal. It is so obvious that money spent on power project was largely for the design. I have said it severally that Yah adua is confused and will spend four to eight year reversing policies of previous regime just like when Tinubu took over from Marwa and was busy renaming every street and corners for the first few years.
Obj may have his fault like sorrounding himself with cronies that are not there for him when he needed them most, I read Akinjide's comment on OBJ it was quiet unfortunate that somebody who was among those who presided over wanton looting of Nigeria in second repurblic could come out to talk. Either will like it or not OBJ with his shortcomings has taken Nigeria to a level none of those asking for his head can ever achieve. We will all see where present govt we take Nigeria to if it continues with it go slow and directionless manner. Imagine robber like Fayose could come to talk in the public about OBJ I read his interview wiyh saturday punch and i could read a man that is as shallow minded as a goat trying to convince others to reason like him. Till now nobody has come out to link obj with anything, the reason why he gave waiver on due process was clearly stated, so as to fast track the project.
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lucabrasi (m)
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just watching it on ait news now baba obj sends written response to the power probe,refused to show up because he became "indisposed" some days before he was due to show up
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Uche2nna (m)
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@ Afam I am still trying to understand your position. Is it that the committee does not have enough evidence to pin Obj vis a viz his excellent article (as You put it) or is that Obj did the best he could given the resources he had?  We can go on and on twisting the facts like we always do. No be Nigerians  We can also sit down and write beautiful essays to cover up our yansh. Posterity would be the judge. However, I would really love to know the answers to the sentences highlighted below. Ok then, so let us take OBJs own account as the gospel truth. He stated in the article that the actual capital spent on power is $6.5billion. So there, does that now make everything better? Does that now make the progress made anywhere near satisfactory or applaudable as opposed to disgrceful? If the progress is not satisfactory then why is this the case and why could it not be addressed in the 8 years he was in power? So it takes 8 years to know a bridge is needed to transport the components? Sorry, but again i see obvious failure and excuses are yet to convince me. If we can't see that the progress made in 8 years in the power sector after billions of dollars was spent is not acceptable then sorry, but i guess Nigerians better go into hibernation mode and not expect any progress for the next 50 years. Yaradua can "attempt" to build power plants after all his time in power and that would be ok. @Afam, instead of posting another reply which would probably be fruitless because you will dismiss it and say "i don't know anything" even with the obvious mismanagement issue at hand, i just have one question to ask you and it is a simple yes or no so please enlighten me. Do you think all the billions of dollars spent on the power sector during OBJ's time in power has been justified by the level of progress made? |
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Sky Blue
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It is obvious that many Nigerian leading politians are playing the if i can't be there i can scatter it syndrome. It is so obvious that many of them are just out to rubbish OBJ since they can never become president of Nigeria. Many people criticising OBJ cannot even run a local govt without financial scandal. It is so obvious that money spent on power project was largely for the design. I have said it severally that Yah adua is confused and will spend four to eight year reversing policies of previous regime just like when Tinubu took over from Marwa and was busy renaming every street and corners for the first few years.
Obj may have his fault like sorrounding himself with cronies that are not there for him when he needed them most, I read Akinjide's comment on OBJ it was quiet unfortunate that somebody who was among those who presided over wanton looting of Nigeria in second repurblic could come out to talk. Either will like it or not OBJ with his shortcomings has taken Nigeria to a level none of those asking for his head can ever achieve. We will all see where present govt we take Nigeria to if it continues with it go slow and directionless manner. Imagine robber like Fayose could come to talk in the public about OBJ I read his interview wiyh saturday punch and i could read a man that is as shallow minded as a goat trying to convince others to reason like him. Till now nobody has come out to link obj with anything, the reason why he gave waiver on due process was clearly stated, so as to fast track the project.
LOL, i am just shocked. WOW. Forgive my lack of patience but i really can't continue with this thread when i see posts like that. In that case then no one should feel they have the audacity to bother Yaradua. Yes people it can go both ways. You can't be expecting progress and then not wanting it at thesame time. If you are ok with accepting that billions of dollars was spent and all we got was a "design" then to each his own. But those same people should just leave Yaradua alone, let him stay for eight years and let us till then not have power. After all how are you not sure he is working on his own design too since we want to play it that way? At the end of 50 years of accumulating such "designs" we will not have power but at least we can open a design shop and begin to sell these "designs" to generate revenue. After all is said and done, if you want to defend the situation the way it is then again, to each his own. One thing i can definately agree with OBJ on is this, i pity Nigeria too. God Bless and have a nice day |
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Spermdrops (m)
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@ Afam I am still trying to understand your position. Is it that the committee does not have enough evidence to pin Obj vis a viz his excellent article (as You put it) or is that Obj did the best he could given the resources he had? We can go on and on twisting the facts like we always do. No be Nigerians We can also sit down and write beautiful essays to cover up our yansh. Posterity would be the judge. However, I would really love to know the answers to the sentences highlighted below. Keep waiting for answers I say! Still no account of how 16 Billion Naira was spent. Only a nice lullaby to sing some already "tipsy" people like OBJ himself to sleep. This man really graduated with honors from his "I Dey Kampke" school of "Theology"! He must be smoking dried brown grass from his Ota farm over there to think all these big big grammar can fool Nigerians. This can only please some half baked illiterate scholars from Covenant University located inside his farms over there. He wants to prove to us he can speak and write the Queen's "English" or what? Say what? Gosh! I love Nigerians! I guess we should wait patiently for "SaharaReporters" to do us the favors! I love their punchline: REPORT YOURSELF!!!OBJ---------------REPORT YOURSELF!!!!BEFORE YOU DIE I BEG! |
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Spermdrops (m)
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@ halavoke
how did you establish OBJ's guiltiness? Is it by mere allegation? or by what? Comon sense is scarce on nairaland no be small.
Why did you not give IBB and Abacha the benefit of the doubt too? You have 16 Billion Naira vanished into the thin air and you are still looking for evidence. You damn right, common sense scarce no be small for Nairaland. That includes you as the mascot! "Better to be silent and thought a fool, than type on Nairaland and clear all doubts"!What a pity! |
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Afam (m)
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@ Afam I am still trying to understand your position. Is it that the committee does not have enough evidence to pin Obj vis a viz his excellent article (as You put it) or is that Obj did the best he could given the resources he had? Don't try to understand my position, try to understand the issues based on facts and reconcile same with the level of misinformation that has been pushed to the masses. We can go on and on twisting the facts like we always do. No be Nigerians We can also sit down and write beautiful essays to cover up our yansh. Posterity would be the judge. However, I would really love to know the answers to the sentences highlighted below. What facts have been twisted? The answers to the only question have been provided some posts back, go back and look for them. As for comments on yar'adua, I thought this post was about OBJ and power probe. |
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Uche2nna (m)
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It is obvious that many Nigerian leading politians are playing the if i can't be there i can scatter it syndrome. It is so obvious that many of them are just out to rubbish OBJ since they can never become president of Nigeria. Many people criticising OBJ cannot even run a local govt without financial scandal. It is so obvious that money spent on power project was largely for the design. I have said it severally that Yah adua is confused and will spend four to eight year reversing policies of previous regime just like when Tinubu took over from Marwa and was busy renaming every street and corners for the first few years.
Obj may have his fault like sorrounding himself with cronies that are not there for him when he needed them most, I read Akinjide's comment on OBJ it was quiet unfortunate that somebody who was among those who presided over wanton looting of Nigeria in second repurblic could come out to talk. Either will like it or not OBJ with his shortcomings has taken Nigeria to a level none of those asking for his head can ever achieve. We will all see where present govt we take Nigeria to if it continues with it go slow and directionless manner. Imagine robber like Fayose could come to talk in the public about OBJ I read his interview wiyh saturday punch and i could read a man that is as shallow minded as a goat trying to convince others to reason like him. Till now nobody has come out to link obj with anything, the reason why he gave waiver on due process was clearly stated, so as to fast track the project.
It is not obvious to me. What are we designing? What was the time frame for the design? How did it become obvious to you that Obj spent 8 years trying to design a power project? Dont we have any exisiting infrastructure on ground before Obj came in or was he designing from scratch? If he spent so much on design, I don't even want to imagine how much we would spending during the actual implementation of the design. You guys are willing to give Obj the benefit of the doubt but is very quick to say that Yar' adua is clueless. What sort of double standardness is this, abeg? I believe that Yar' adua is clueless based on what he is doing. On the same hand , I believed that Obj have some serious issues to clarify to Nigerians based on what transpired during his adminstration. I don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. |
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naijaking1
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Personally, I have been negatively disposed to the OBJ administration for lack of adequate power supply during his regime. However, I like his response or attempted explanation and position. Whether he is educated enough to present such a write-up, or that he gave the task to a PR firm is not really relevant, what's relevant is the precedence he is setting that, yes, former public official have a duty to answer to the people's inquiry.
Despite a stout effort to impress, OBJ failed to take full responsibility for the all the activities of his own government. Especially, on those projects that seemed mismanaged, he wants the respective federal officer to answer, but on those ones that went well, he was quick to take credit.
In the US, the bucks stop with the President, but in Nigeria, only the good bucks stop with the President.
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Spermdrops (m)
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This is getting interesting.
Negotiating capabilities. . . . . . . .
and
Subscribing at the same time. . . . . . .
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Uche2nna (m)
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Personally, I have been negatively disposed to the OBJ administration for lack of adequate power supply during his regime. However, I like his response or attempted explanation and position. Whether he is educated enough to present such a write-up, or that he gave the task to a PR firm is not really relevant, what's relevant is the precedence he is setting that, yes, former public official have a duty to answer to the people's inquiry.
Despite a stout effort to impress, OBJ failed to take full responsibility for the all the activities of his own government. Especially, on those projects that seemed mismanaged, he wants the respective federal officer to answer, but on those ones that went well, he was quick to take credit.
In the US, the bucks stop with the President, but in Nigeria, only the good bucks stop with the President.
I really don't care about his response. Lawyers come up with those kind of responses day in day out in defense of someone that is as guilty as sin What I really care about is the competence, integrity and efficiency of whatever commitee is going to be probing him. Believe me, if Obj is given a fair trial, there can only be one verdict. However, we know how all these probes end. Talk , Talk and no action. |
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Uche2nna (m)
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Why did you not give IBB and Abacha the benefit of the doubt too?
Cos double standardness is a bitch!!!! |
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naijaking1
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My praise for OBJ's attempt to honor the House of Rep. is in sharp contrast to IBB who totally refused to explain many other anomalies of own office such June 12. It's a precedence we need.
His answers/guilty/not-guilty is another issue.
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Uche2nna (m)
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Precedence or no precedence , that guy owes one hell of an explanation to Nigerians. I am not about justifying IBB and Abacha's time but You should bear in mind those guys were there during the military junta.
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naijaking1
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Yeah, I can understand the military rules of IBB vs. OBJ, but let's not forget that both have military backgrounds. The precedence here is important, because no Nigerian must ever refuse an invitation by the House of Rep----the true rep. of the people.
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debosky (m)
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I think the 2000MW thing about Rivers state is a typo- it is more likely 200MW
First of all, OBJ did cause improvements, and unlike some who refuse to read thoroughly through the arguments he made in his submissions, the failure to complete a project can cause the entire bulk of funds spend to appear fruitless.
OBJ did cause improvements in power, while he did not come close to solving the problem, it is sheer foolishness and idiocy to say nothing happened! And to the accusations that there was 'nothing on ground' at many locations - it once again shows ignorance of the EPC system as OYB stated.
While things were not 'perfect' or completely 'transparent' he did make tangible improvements which can be seen on the ground. Unfortunately other issues such as the Niger Delta problem and pipeline vandalisation as well as community unrest have prevented the full impact of these projects from being felt.
What 'account' of 16 billion has to be given? The man said $6.5 billion, with over $1b still tied up in letters of credit - I.E MONEY THAT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT!
Turbines are at the ports not yet delivered due to issues with land aquisition and transport and the like. Granted he did not manage the project as well as desired, but if a relatively smaller additional amount is spent, the effect will be felt almost instantly.
The committee members went on a show - a prominent report came out that when the contractors wanted to explain that the goods were still in storage pending land aquisition and all that, they drove off and went to tell the newspapers. This same house that has not passed a single bill in over one year, but wants to appear active by 'probing'. Sheer nonsense! Complete the projects started and see if no impact will be seen, anything other than that is simply a witch hunt or employing school boy arguments.
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Uche2nna (m)
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Yeah, I can understand the military rules of IBB vs. OBJ, but let's not forget that both have military backgrounds. The precedence here is important, because no Nigerian must ever refuse an invitation by the House of Rep----the true rep. of the people.
The real precedence would be set when one of those thieves is tried and sentenced on charges of corruption. |
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oldie (m)
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I have said it before that the Power Probe Committee is another scam itself
The probe was not set up to solve our power problems, but to enhance some politicians careers and ambitions
At the end of day, they must have spent over a billion to achieve nothing
And who are the loosers? Nigerians.
And the vicious circle continues
Engineering is about facts and figures not about some greedy misplaced emotions
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Uche2nna (m)
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Given our track record in the probing game, I would agree with you. I would be suprised if anything comes out of it.
Engineering is about facts and figures not about some greedy misplaced emotions
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Uche2nna (m)
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lmao!!!!! ;d
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naijaking1
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I have said it before that the Power Probe Committee is another scam itself
The probe was not set up to solve our power problems, but to enhance some politicians careers and ambitions
At the end of day, they must have spent over a billion to achieve nothing
And who are the loosers? Nigerians.
And the vicious circle continues
Engineering is about facts and figures not about some greedy misplaced emotions
I beg to disagree about the committee achieving nothing. They may not bring power to us by a flip of the switch, but by merely discussing these irregularities, the process is improved. Whether we like it or not, public disclosure remains a powerful tool in the fight against corruption. |
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oldie (m)
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I beg to disagree about the committee achieving nothing. They may not bring power to us by a flip of the switch, but by merely discussing these irregularities, the process is improved. Whether we like it or not, public disclosure remains a powerful tool in the fight against corruption.
If the intentions were altruistic, I would have no problems with the probe We have been fed with figures that are based on gossips, half truths and sensation Cannot use corruption to fight corruption I still maintain the execrcise is a waste of public fund and will not improve any process |
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Novice1 (m)
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Afam, r u an employee at ota farms?  |
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