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Grouppoint (m)
How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« on: May 13, 2008, 12:24 PM »

Clearly, some of our traditions have pagan origins and as such should be eschewed. What about the aspects of our culture that seem right, but yet have pagan origin?
Grouppoint (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #1 on: May 13, 2008, 12:26 PM »

For example is it still ok to prostrate to greet parents and elders, if Christianity says that God alone should be given such deference.
A_K_O (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #2 on: May 13, 2008, 01:08 PM »

WHERE IS MY PREVIOUS POST??? Angry Angry


Anyway one that should definately be given up is POLYGAMY.

The bible says to honor ones father and mother. Does it say not to bow down to any other thing except god? I think so, I'm not sure.

"Bowing' is not African by the way. I think it all depends on the function it is meant to serve.
Grouppoint (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #3 on: May 13, 2008, 02:42 PM »

Bowing, and prostrating are African.
gods and kings are honoured in this way.
A_K_O (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #4 on: May 13, 2008, 03:17 PM »

No no, what about lawyers bowing to 'my lord' in court? Is that African?
imhotep
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #5 on: May 13, 2008, 03:22 PM »

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Quote from: A_K_O on May 13, 2008, 03:17 PM
No no, what about lawyers bowing to 'my lord' in court? Is that African?
Good question. This is a clear case of Western hypocrisy.

They [Westerners] preserve what is good in their respective cultures; while they encourage Africans to destroy their beautiful customs and traditions.

The results are tragic => Africans lose their identity: they are neither fully African, nor fully Westernized.

The bible should be studied [and prayed with] carefully.
A_K_O (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #6 on: May 13, 2008, 03:35 PM »

Well then my point was that bowing is neither exclusively African nor Western nor scriptural. I can't tell whos copying who. But then again if youre bowing as a mark of respect and not worship its not wrong.
JeSoul (f)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #7 on: May 13, 2008, 03:44 PM »

  As long as that culture contradicts any biblical commandment, it must go!

   I still kneel to greet my parents and elder folks. . . I see it as a sign of respect NOT a form of worship. It is the intent that matters in this case I think.

   I know there're many things in african tradition that must be given up but I can't seem to think of any now. . .
Grouppoint (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #8 on: May 13, 2008, 04:56 PM »

Yes, people curtsy the queen and other royalty. That does not make it right either.

People genuflect for the pope. still not necessarily right.

When does respect become reverence?

Grouppoint (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #9 on: May 13, 2008, 04:57 PM »

I suppose my question is founded upon an observation that many Africans still hold on to certain superstitions like, don't cross your feet over another person's body, , and several other superstitions that I'm sure you can all recollect a few.

We still believe certain things bring bad luck and some things bring good luck.
savanaha
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #10 on: May 13, 2008, 05:01 PM »

throwing away of twins
~Lady~ (f)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #11 on: May 13, 2008, 05:05 PM »

When God asked us to honour our parents, he didn't outline a particular way to do so.
He didn't say bow to your parents or prostrate.

He said honour, so which ever way u honour, honour.

I am Bini and we kneel to show honour to our elders. My friend is igbo, they don't kneel, my grandmother looked at her with an evil eye when the girl greeted her without kneeling. Does this mean that my friend was wrong? No.
When we're done eating, we greet everyone in the house. I greeted my yoruba aunty and she looked at me with shock. Does that mean that I am wrong? No.

I hope that explains it.


LOLOLOL. Imhotep, I'm sure you can figure out why I'm laughing especially when you read JeSoul's post.
Lol. Wonders shall never cease.

JeSoul, it's nothing bad, I promise. It's just funny.

SENATOR JD (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #12 on: May 13, 2008, 05:22 PM »

if my African culture contradicts my christain views, then i'd let it go right away
JeSoul (f)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #13 on: May 13, 2008, 07:14 PM »

Quote from: ~Lady~ on May 13, 2008, 05:05 PM

LOLOLOL. Imhotep, I'm sure you can figure out why I'm laughing especially when you read JeSoul's post.
Lol. Wonders shall never cease.

JeSoul, it's nothing bad, I promise. It's just funny.

  sista can I get in on the joke so I can laugh too  Smiley
brownbonno (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #14 on: May 14, 2008, 01:37 AM »

Quote from: SENATOR JD on May 13, 2008, 05:22 PM
if my African culture contradicts my christain views, then i'd let it go right away

Little minded man?Nigerians are hidden under the umbrella of Christianity to perpetuate their evil act.
Lets  give an example,If you have to swear in court before giving evidence/statement and you swear with the god of thunder,god of river or god of iron,you will not add a single lie lie to your testimony.But if you swear with the Bible,hmmm,hell know what will constitute your testimony.
Christianity have washed our rich culture and respect out of this God created earth.
Pastors should teach/preach righteousness and not just prosperity.Prosperity is a by-product of righteousness.
merge (f)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #15 on: May 14, 2008, 04:20 AM »

None
Ndipe (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #16 on: May 14, 2008, 06:30 AM »

Any aspect of our culture that contradicts Christianity should be abandoned!
SENATOR JD (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #17 on: May 14, 2008, 09:05 AM »

Quote from: brownbonno on May 14, 2008, 01:37 AM
Little minded man?Nigerians are hidden under the umbrella of Christianity to perpetuate their evil act.
evil acts such as? mr big minded man
Quote from: brownbonno on May 14, 2008, 01:37 AM
Lets give an example,If you have to swear in court before giving evidence/statement and you swear with the god of thunder,god of river or god of iron,you will not add a single lie lie to your testimony.But if you swear with the Bible,hmmm,hell know what will constitute your testimony.
so what exactly is your point that by swearing with all those u'd not lie?
Quote from: brownbonno on May 14, 2008, 01:37 AM
Christianity have washed our rich culture and respect out of this God created earth.
can u please name which rich cultures christainity has washed?and then u can answer the question the poster asked
How much of our African culture should we give up for christainity?
Grouppoint (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #18 on: May 14, 2008, 10:11 AM »

What about pouring our libation to our ancestors in a ceremony?

or breaking of kola nuts to the spirits at meetings and weddings? Most ibo traditional weddings perform this ritual.

A_K_O (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #19 on: May 14, 2008, 10:23 AM »

Quote from: Grouppoint on May 14, 2008, 10:11 AM
What about pouring our libation to our ancestors in a ceremony?

or breaking of kola nuts to the spirits at meetings and weddings? Most ibo traditional weddings perform this ritual.




Those are clearly wrong. I don't believe there is any communication between the livng and the dead although catholics do.
SENATOR JD (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #20 on: May 14, 2008, 10:32 AM »

Quote from: Grouppoint on May 14, 2008, 10:11 AM
What about pouring our libation to our ancestors in a ceremony?

or breaking of kola nuts to the spirits at meetings and weddings? Most ibo traditional weddings perform this ritual.
and christainity has washed all these rich cultures away?maybe am naive or new but what spirits at meetings and weddings?some of these stuffs dnt make any sense to ME and i say again to ME.appeasing the "gods" by giving goats,chickens and the rest at this time and age?my own view anyways
lystola
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #21 on: May 14, 2008, 10:48 AM »

Speaking of Postrating: i think thats only an act of respect to who you are postrating for, bowing to your parents is an act of courtsy, and it is very different to reverence to God because the circumstances surrounding it are different, bbut doing that in a situation like, postrating to you parent as an act of worship is defintely out of the question.
lucabrasi (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #22 on: May 14, 2008, 01:20 PM »

if a christian were to be perfectly honest with him/herself,you always know the moment you r crossing the line from just being a christian interested in african culture to eschewing african culture over your religion, the positive ones have a grounding in the bible fromTHE LITTLE I KNOW OF THE BIBLE, prostrating for your parents,its in the bible to honour your father and mother so theres no conflict there and in many positive cultural instances as well
Grouppoint (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #23 on: May 14, 2008, 04:21 PM »

@lucrabasi,
On the contrary, many Christians are actually clueless as to when the line is being crossed.

During a traditional marriage or many grand ocassions, Kola is broken. Do you know what prayers are said to the gods during the breaking of kola? eg 'He who brings kola, brings life'. May the spirits protect all and sundry. etc

After some of such covenants to th egods, audience all clap hands. Not realising that one may have just signed up to a few years odf bondage.
SENATOR JD (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #24 on: May 14, 2008, 06:49 PM »

Quote from: Grouppoint on May 14, 2008, 04:21 PM
After some of such covenants to th egods, audience all clap hands. Not realising that one may have just signed up to a few years odf bondage.
how? by clapping?or by being at that place?please clarify
~Lady~ (f)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #25 on: May 14, 2008, 06:52 PM »

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sista can I get in on the joke so I can laugh too  

Read your post and think about the things you accuse the Catholics of doing.

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Pastors should teach/preach righteousness and not just prosperity.Prosperity is a by-product of righteousness.

I agree with this. Almost all my life of attending a church (protestant) I don't remember a service where prosperity (monetary mostly) was not fit into this. I hardly remember anything on living as a christian, other than when someone sins and the hypocrites judge.

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Those are clearly wrong. I don't believe there is any communication between the livng and the dead although catholics do.

Just because you have your belief, doesn't make this belief wrong.

I don't necessarily agree with the spirits the igbos are calling on. DOn't know much about that, but  I do believe in the communication between the dead and the living. I believe in the exchange of spiritual gifts. Remember Christians are not of this world, that is the trick  Wink.

Can someone explain the spirits thing at the meetings and weddings, please. What are these spirits?
olabowale (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #26 on: May 14, 2008, 07:00 PM »

@~Lady~: The trick is that Christians are not of this world? And yet they live in it? And when they are facing death you see them saying that they don't want to die?

Give me a different trick, again, woman.
~Lady~ (f)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #27 on: May 14, 2008, 07:33 PM »

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@~Lady~: The trick is that Christians are not of this world? And yet they live in it? And when they are facing death you see them saying that they don't want to die?

Give me a different trick, again, woman.

Did I ever tell you that I don't want to die? Am I not a Christian woman?

Did i not explain to you what "of this world" means? Man stop catching amnesia.
lucabrasi (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #28 on: May 14, 2008, 09:15 PM »


                   
Quote from: Grouppoint on May 14, 2008, 04:21 PM
@lucrabasi,
On the contrary, many Christians are actually clueless as to when the line is being crossed.

During a traditional marriage or many grand ocassions, Kola is broken. Do you know what prayers are said to the gods during the breaking of kola? eg 'He who brings kola, brings life'. May the spirits protect all and sundry. etc

After some of such covenants to th egods, audience all clap hands. Not realising that one may have just signed up to a few years odf bondage.

any christian that thinks that or uses that as an excuse is in denial,and worse not bein totally honest,we all have that still voice inside us that ll distinguish between right and wrong according to our beliefs,breaking kolanut and what nut is just going through the motions,  no substance, same way doing the question and answer thing they do in engagements, does it mean that if you don't give them money for the aeroplane to bring the wife, you wont get married.?the point im trying to make is that they r all just having fun even with the kolanut,a christian will always know when they have crossed the line, if someone breaks the kolanut and whatnot calln some gods name,its not binding on you unless u push it foward and then commit yourself

JeSoul (f)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #29 on: May 16, 2008, 02:48 PM »

Quote from: ~Lady~ on May 14, 2008, 06:52 PM
Read your post and think about the things you accuse the Catholics of doing.

I agree with this. Almost all my life of attending a church (protestant) I don't remember a service where prosperity (monetary mostly) was not fit into this. I hardly remember anything on living as a christian, other than when someone sins and the hypocrites judge.

  Lady every day you display your insecurities in your faith on these boards. Why are you so bitter?
NOBODY was saying anything or mentioning anything catholic here, the discussion is just going on nicely and you just couldn't help yourself but go and bring up protestant vs catholic again  Angry
  We are trying to be peaceful but it just seems you cannot be.

Please re-read the post and the subject of this thread. Obviously when AKO and myself said that we see this as a sign of respect not a form of worship and you are comparing it to what catholics do - it is two very different scenarios and issues at hand and your comparison fails woefully.
 
  Abeg try and resist making every discussion a catholic vs protestant issue, and then crying you are the victim. . . we are tired of it.   Angry
Cayon (f)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #30 on: May 17, 2008, 02:18 PM »

Well if we are christians and follow Jesus teachings then definitely we should cut out some "cultural" things.  For example: Having more than one partner  Shocked Shocked
olabowale (m)
Re: How Much Of Our African Culture Should We Give Up For Christianity?
« #31 on: May 17, 2008, 02:46 PM »

@~Lady~:
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Did I ever tell you that I don't want to die? Am I not a Christian woman?

Did i not explain to you what "of this world" means? Man stop catching amnesia.

Your explanation did not justify your meaning "of this world." No one is "of this world," since we all have to die. Don't forget Judgement day.

And am too young to catch amnesia. You should know that by now.  By your saying it does not mean it is so. Te same that your of this world expression does not really make Christianity special. Afterall, Jesus said that he will deny some of the Christians when they come to him, in the day of Judgement.
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