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Damoche10
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Don't mind da stupid fool called Lipuka. He thinks he can paint Nigeria black for all he cares about is finding where to start pimping girls for money. Lipuka, kindly get a life because u might end up in bars where ur ass would be drilled. Stupid fool!!
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lipuka (m)
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Thanks a lot guys for your replies. It was not intended that I insult anyone. I have seen features, both on BBC and CNN as well as Al Jazeera, and our own print media with stories about prostitution and human trafficking. I have access to the international newspapers. All have at one time or another had these stories.
In Nigeria, I had the same story by Nigerians. Prostitutes are everywhere, including Kenya. They have been there for centuries.
My issue was whether one state in the whole of Nigeria could be responsible for such happenings? And why? And if it was happening, what steps were being taken to stop it.
I did not and do not like the idea of forcing people into modern slavery. I assure you I have friends in Benin City. I have met and been friends with other people in other areas of Edo.
However. it is common for people not to want to talk about embarrasing issues. Like an ostrich, they would rather bury their heads in the sand and hope all will be well. It does not work that way friends
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Damoche10
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Strolls in and out!!!!!
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Ziggy_mama
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However. it is common for people not to want to talk about embarrasing issues. Like an ostrich, they would rather bury their heads in the sand and hope all will be well. It does not work that way friends
 u've got 2 b kidin me right?How about tryin to talk about embarrasing issues in relation to Kenya for a start  abi o |
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sheniqua
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I can almost bet my bakassi the guy is not Kenyan.
He is a full blooded Nigerian from a state besides Edo as someone said.
His speech style is too Nigerian.
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londoner
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Would it not be better to ask your "friends" in Benin city then?
What will Nairalanders tell you that your international media outlet connections cannot?
My dear you have been found out, give it up.
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tpia
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he also has "friends" in Lagos of course.
he knows the street talk there.
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lipuka (m)
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I am a Kenyan, born and bred. And I have been to Nigeria. I am happy for those Nigerians who have had the opportunity to travel to Kenya too.
You miss the point. Samson Lipuka, which are my real names, does not own the BBC, Neither does he own CNN or the Observer or the Daily Nation, a Kenyan Daily, among many others.
Two years ago, the BBC, in it's Hard Talk tv programme, interviewed the wife of the Edo State Governor on this subject. She never denied it, but she said she had set up a project to assist young girls so that they do not fall into the hands of the cartels. I have never met this gratious lady and so could not have arranged for this interview.
In March this year, CNN ran a story on the same subject. This story traced a girl from Edo, who claimed to have been sold for 15 dollars to some people in Mali. Apart from her. pictures were clearly shown, of prostitutes in Lagos, with their handlers, complete with a running commentary. There was also another interview of a mother who said she had encouraged her daughter to go abroad so that she could get money to send back home. This was repeated several times on different days.The reports indicate that there are cartels which rum these operations.
You may call me anything you like; you may insult me anything you want. But none of you has given one single, coherrent, or intelligent reply.
The stories were broasdcast for the world audience. BBC and CNN are well-known for their thorough and professional research on what they breoadcast.
The stories are not my creations. I have no wish to paint a bad picture of Nigeria. I count amonmg my friends, the late Tokunbo Ajayi, who was a newscaster with Nigerian Broadcasting Authority. And I still cherish that friendship. I have many pictures that I took with her, which I still hold in high esteem. Please check my website samsonlipuka.tripod.com and you will see at least one of the pictures.
You could try to change the impression created by the BBC and CNN by writing to them. Please also ask the first Lady I mentioned too. Maybe her project succeeded.
I refuse to believe that Nigeria does not have access to BBC or CNN or the newspapers from Britain. I refuse to believe that Nigerians are so datf that they don't realise the damage these stories have made to their country and would rather insult the messenger. I refuse to believe that Nigerians are so uncivilised that you can resort to the language you are using, instead of explaining the facts.
Only people who have an interest in the business could stoop so low as to insult someone who merely wants to know something following what has already been broadcast all over the world. Only a nincompoop would resort to insults instead of reason.
I have been asked many questions about Kenyans by Niogerians, and I have never been embarrassed. I have always sought to give answers, but never insulted anyone. I feel embarrassed that I have to use a language I rarely use, but sometimes you have to to get the point accress.
The questions still stand.
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ifyalways (f)
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I am a Kenyan, born and bred. And I have been to Nigeria. I am happy for those Nigerians who have had the opportunity to travel to Kenya too.
You miss the point. Samson Lipuka, which are my real names, does not own the BBC, Neither does he own CNN or the Observer or the Daily Nation, a Kenyan Daily, among many others.
Two years ago, the BBC, in it's Hard Talk tv programme, interviewed the wife of the Edo State Governor on this subject. She never denied it, but she said she had set up a project to assist young girls so that they do not fall into the hands of the cartels. I have never met this gratious lady and so could not have arranged for this interview.
In March this year, CNN ran a story on the same subject. This story traced a girl from Edo, who claimed to have been sold for 15 dollars to some people in Mali. Apart from her. pictures were clearly shown, of prostitutes in Lagos, with their handlers, complete with a running commentary. There was also another interview of a mother who said she had encouraged her daughter to go abroad so that she could get money to send back home. This was repeated several times on different days.The reports indicate that there are cartels which rum these operations.
You may call me anything you like; you may insult me anything you want. But none of you has given one single, coherrent, or intelligent reply.
The stories were broasdcast for the world audience. BBC and CNN are well-known for their thorough and professional research on what they breoadcast.
The stories are not my creations. I have no wish to paint a bad picture of Nigeria. I count amonmg my friends, the late Tokunbo Ajayi, who was a newscaster with Nigerian Broadcasting Authority. And I still cherish that friendship. I have many pictures that I took with her, which I still hold in high esteem. Please check my website samsonlipuka.tripod.com and you will see at least one of the pictures.
You could try to change the impression created by the BBC and CNN by writing to them. Please also ask the first Lady I mentioned too. Maybe her project succeeded.
I refuse to believe that Nigeria does not have access to BBC or CNN or the newspapers from Britain. I refuse to believe that Nigerians are so datf that they don't realise the damage these stories have made to their country and would rather insult the messenger. I refuse to believe that Nigerians are so uncivilised that you can resort to the language you are using, instead of explaining the facts.
Only people who have an interest in the business could stoop so low as to insult someone who merely wants to know something following what has already been broadcast all over the world. Only a nincompoop would resort to insults instead of reason.
I have been asked many questions about Kenyans by Niogerians, and I have never been embarrassed. I have always sought to give answers, but never insulted anyone. I feel embarrassed that I have to use a language I rarely use, but sometimes you have to to get the point accress.
The questions still stand.
what if its true,what do you intend to do NOW? you want to set up an NGO to help? what if its not true?is that going to change anything? Je, ukipatwa???  |
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akyns (m)
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You may call me anything you like; you may insult me anything you want. But none of you has given one single, coherrent, or intelligent reply. @ lipuka, then what do you call this? : Hi lipuka, like u said, don't put much faith in stereotypes.
You know, when u hear of Afghanistan, u think of Osama.
When u hear Nigeria,u think of fraudsters.
When u hear of Rwanda, u think of Genocide.
When u hear of Zimbabwe, u think of Mogabe's tyrannical rule,
Get my point?
A few people have gotten on the wrong side of the news hence the wrong perceptions.
There are prostitutes everywhere on the globe.
In Nigeria, Kenya, everywhere.
But we have to get past all the negativity to make the world a better place.
Cheers!
. . . .and not all the posts have been insultive. . . . Damoche,
I don't think lipuka was trying to diss(abuse) us.
It seems he was misinformed and needed some clarifications.
Now to ur post: . . . . . .
I refuse to believe that Nigerians are so daft that they don't realise the damage these stories have made to their country and would rather insult the messenger. I refuse to believe that Nigerians are so uncivilised that you can resort to the language you are using, instead of explaining the facts.
Only people who have an interest in the business could stoop so low as to insult someone who merely wants to know something following what has already been broadcast all over the world. Only a nincompoop would resort to insults instead of reason.
I have been asked many questions about Kenyans by Niogerians, and I have never been embarrassed. I have always sought to give answers, but never insulted anyone. I feel embarrassed that I have to use a language I rarely use, but sometimes you have to, to get the point accross.
Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how u've been hurt by some of the comments posted here, the onus lies on you to still maintain the integrity of ur posts and research by not resorting to counter insults/offensives. {Remember Ghandi?} All societies have their ills and sore points. But like I said in my first post, Its best not to dwell on this, but rather, to look ahead to the future by developing the positive potentials we have. Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, we are also a free country, hence the opinions some people have expressed here. But don't be discouraged, if like u said, u've been in the country before and do have some Nigerian friends, then getting to the truth of the matter should not really be a problem. Best regards! |
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lipuka (m)
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Yes, Kenyans still drink goat milk mixed with blood. It is a nourishing food that all Nigerians should try. And we still live in houses built on trees. And we still walk around naked.
That is why we don't know much about prostitution.
We have no tv, no electricity, no newspapers, nothing; just the same old drums to send messages to each other.
We don't go to school or anything; just stay at home or go round taking care of our cattle. Anything else you want to know?
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lipuka (m)
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A pity Nairaland does not want to post my replies. There is nothing in being a goat, is there. Better than an ass, don't you think?
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kola oloye (m)
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Am not interested in this rubbish.
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lipuka (m)
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HeUnfortunately, some of you have hidden you e mail addresses, but I have typed this on Nailand, hoping that it will be printed.
First, I am a Kenyan from Mazeras, some 20 kms west of Mombasa. The lIpuka Family is well-known in the area. I am also easy to trace both as a broadcaster and sports administrator.
I am not Masai. I belong to the Bantu Group while the Masai belong to the Nilo-Himitic Group, just as Nigerians belong to the Negro group. I have more in common with Zulus of South Africa than Masais.
Bantus are farmers while Masais are pastoralists and nomads. Masais believe all the cattle in ther world belong to them; we don't. They do not each chicken, because their culture does not allow them to eat birds.
Masaia live off and for their cattle. That is why they drink milk and blood. In their day, they were considered the most fierce worroirs around. They partly explain why Kenya never indulged in the slave trade, as Nigerians did. We never kept slaves, nor captured our neighbours to sell as slaves to foreigners as Nigerians did.
We used to assimilate. Thay is why the slaves were settled in Kenya. And we have many of their settlements here.
We also have prostitutes, just like you, but there are many who come from neighbouring countries. including Nigeria and Ghana. We have many refugees here, so it is common to see Eritreans, Somalis, Ethiopisns, Ugandans, Congolese, Tanzanians, Rwandese and Sudanese prostitutes. But off course we have Kenyans too. It is big business. We are a tourist attraction, so there is a market.
I did not start this story. The Observer, a british newspaper came with this story in 2004. This was then taken up and printed in the Daily Nation, a Kenyan Daily. in 2005, BBC tv had a story with was broadcast several times for the world audience. They even inetrviewed the wife of the Governor of Edo on the same subject in the BBC programme Hard Talk. This interview was also repeated several times.
I'm March this year, CNN came up with the sdame story. They repeated this feature story several times.
I believe both CNN and BBC are widely watched in Nigeria. And I am sure the Observer is also read by Nigerians. I have not worked in any of these bodies. I doin't own shares. But these media houses are well-known foe their researched sories.
Insults are for people with small minds. Intelligent people reason. I am a madie person, so have the tendency to be persistent. Were all these Press people wrong?
The issue I am more concerned about, is whether anything is being dome to stop the so-called cartels from subjecting the poor girls and families from this barbaric practise. I would have though any right-thinking Nigerian would agree with me. Unless of course yoiu are involved in the business.
I am told the cartels will do anything to stop people from interfering, including killing.llo. I am forced to write to you directly using the e mails I got simply because Nairaland has not posted my replies.
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tpia
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HeUnfortunately, some of you have hidden you e mail addresses, but I have typed this on Nailand, hoping that it will be printed.
First, I am a Kenyan from Mazeras, some 20 kms west of Mombasa. The lIpuka Family is well-known in the area. I am also easy to trace both as a broadcaster and sports administrator.
I am not Masai. I belong to the Bantu Group while the Masai belong to the Nilo-Himitic Group, just as Nigerians belong to the Negro group. I have more in common with Zulus of South Africa than Masais.
Bantus are farmers while Masais are pastoralists and nomads. Masais believe all the cattle in ther world belong to them; we don't. They do not each chicken, because their culture does not allow them to eat birds.
Masaia live off and for their cattle. That is why they drink milk and blood. In their day, they were considered the most fierce worroirs around. They partly explain why Kenya never indulged in the slave trade, as Nigerians did. We never kept slaves, nor captured our neighbours to sell as slaves to foreigners as Nigerians did.
We used to assimilate. Thay is why the slaves were settled in Kenya. And we have many of their settlements here.
We also have prostitutes, just like you, but there are many who come from neighbouring countries. including Nigeria and Ghana. We have many refugees here, so it is common to see Eritreans, Somalis, Ethiopisns, Ugandans, Congolese, Tanzanians, Rwandese and Sudanese prostitutes. But off course we have Kenyans too. It is big business. We are a tourist attraction, so there is a market.
I did not start this story. The Observer, a british newspaper came with this story in 2004. This was then taken up and printed in the Daily Nation, a Kenyan Daily. in 2005, BBC tv had a story with was broadcast several times for the world audience. They even inetrviewed the wife of the Governor of Edo on the same subject in the BBC programme Hard Talk. This interview was also repeated several times.
I'm March this year, CNN came up with the sdame story. They repeated this feature story several times.
I believe both CNN and BBC are widely watched in Nigeria. And I am sure the Observer is also read by Nigerians. I have not worked in any of these bodies. I doin't own shares. But these media houses are well-known foe their researched sories.
Insults are for people with small minds. Intelligent people reason. I am a madie person, so have the tendency to be persistent. Were all these Press people wrong?
The issue I am more concerned about, is whether anything is being dome to stop the so-called cartels from subjecting the poor girls and families from this barbaric practise. I would have though any right-thinking Nigerian would agree with me. Unless of course yoiu are involved in the business.
I am told the cartels will do anything to stop people from interfering, including killing.llo. I am forced to write to you directly using the e mails I got simply because Nairaland has not posted my replies.
my brother, your post is so long. I don't have time to break it down. which slave trade did kenyans not participate in (unlike Nigerians, as you said). The transatlantic slave trade or the Arab one? You guys refused to sell to both the Europeans and the Arabs? and how far is zanzibar from kenya? The third pillar of the economy was slaves, giving Zanzibar an important place in the Arab slave trade, the Indian Ocean equivalent of the better-known Triangular Trade. Zanzibar City was the main trading port of the East African slave trade, with about 50,000 slaves a year passing through the city. The Sultan of Zanzibar controlled a substantial portion of the East African coast, known as Zanj, which included Mombasa and Dar es Salaam, and trading routes which extended much further inland, such as to Kindu on the Congo River.
In the centuries preceding colonization, the Swahili coast of Kenya was part of the east African region which traded with the Arab world and India especially for ivory and slaves (the Ameru tribe is said to have originated from slaves escaping from Arab lands some time around the year 1700.). Initially these traders came mainly from Arab states, but later many also came from Zanzibar (such as Tippu Tip).
Swahili, a Bantu language with many Arabic, Persian and other Middle Eastern and South Asian loan words, developed as a lingua franca for trade between the different peoples.
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Mombasa is in kenya, right? The only people I've heard of who attacked the slavers instead of trading with them, were the Masai. of course I'm not kenyan, and feel free to truthfully correct me if I'm wrong. |
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