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morpheus24
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good for you then!! Problem is if you try to link his so called points to the thread, you would understand why they are meaningless to this debate. Not a single person has said anything about deporting all immigrants being the solution here. SA government has a right to do that if that be the solution they choose for the situation. I do not understand why we would want to deviate from the current debate to start debating what immigration practises work and which do not work when we all know that there is no ONE FITS ALL solution to such problems.  How can my points be meaningless to the debate? haba go back and read the threads from beginning again. Everything I have enumerated makes sense whether you are discussing Nigeria, S.Africa, illegal immigration, deportation, economic frustration, instability, illiteracy, poverty, starvation. You choose not to connect the dots. Again your micro point of view on things. My guy debate or keep quiet! |
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morpheus24
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He did not insult you in any form!! rather he made very interesting points which you ingnored by attacking him without making any effort to respond!! just my own opinion  Thank you o o jare bros abi if I am insulting others would say the same. Tell him to answer me. I don't know which debate he is talking about. I think I need to take my meds. I must be deluding. |
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neonet
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What are we really doing in South Africa? Are we not better than them?Is Naija not better that SA? How many south Africans have you seen in Nigeria? we have enough Oil wells that is generating good money for us.Why is it that our brothers/Sisters are been brutalized,maimed and even burned to death in SA?We really need Economic reform.So that our people will come back home.I don't blame Nigerians that are migrating to SA.How may SA have you seen coming to Nigeria to do business? Except MTN & Multichoice.Maybe it is the good roads,Constant power supply and good health care they have, that is making us to move down to SA .lets put our heads together and build this country to be the best.The only problem we are having is bad roads,Epileptic power supply and people at the top embezzling our funds.Thats why our people are migrating to SA.I repeat,SA is not better than Naija! lets come back home and build this country to our taste!We have enough natural resouces,fertile land and technological skills.we need to develope our country and create more jobs for the youth, Concentrate on Agriculture,build good roads,make sure that there is constant power supply,good health care,free education,privatization,deregulation etc Thats the only way our people can come back to Naija!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kobojunkie
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How can my points be meaningless to the debate? haba go back and read the threads from beginning again. Everything I have enumerated makes sense whether you are discussing Nigeria, S.Africa, illegal immigration, deportation, economic frustration, instability, illiteracy, poverty, starvation. You choose not to connect the dots. Again your micro point of view on things.
My guy debate or keep quiet!
Then maybe you need to stop directing your responses to me cause I have absolutely no clue what you are going on and on about. I simply corrected your assumption that your claim that 100% deportation does not solve problems is not based on factual information as there are both examples for good and bad for such in history. Stating that it is one sided is ridiculous. You came up with Jews and Germany as 100% for your claim and I stated you can not do that in a sane argument. So again, What the frell has advantages of deportation or not to do with this issue?? I have no clue and I really do not care for the points which you make that I continue to tell you have practically nothing to do with this. If telling me I lack this and that is your way of making some moot point, then I say go ahead and when you are done and really want to debate what is actually happening in South Africa, you can let me know |
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sheniqua
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kobo,how on earth did they make you a moderator? don't you know when to quit a baseless argument? abeg delete your posts and his and let people make reasonable contributions rather read this nonsense. na only you and amorphous or whatever his name is dey here?  |
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darfur (m)
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did i hear that americans were attacked? or british? or even ghanaians? i don't think so. who then? mugabe's people huh?, nigerians, somalis? do you see a pattern? people from failed nations one day when darfur region will gain peace and progress they may turn on ever present nigerian immigrants to vent their spleen  simple solution . . . we have to build our country. then people will beg us to come invest in their country and we'll refuse. |
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Kobojunkie
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No mind me, I am simply in the mood for debate, only that nairaland is slow today is why I continue to respond to him, lmao!!
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sheniqua
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What are we really doing in South Africa? Are we not better than them?Is Naija not better that SA? How many south Africans have you seen in Nigeria? we have enough Oil wells that is generating good money for us.Why is it that our brothers/Sisters are been brutalized,maimed and even burned to death in SA?We really need Economic reform.So that our people will come back home.I don't blame Nigerians that are migrating to SA.How may SA have you seen coming to Nigeria to do business? Except MTN & Multichoice.Maybe it is the good roads,Constant power supply and good health care they have, that is making us to move down to SA .lets put our heads together and build this country to be the best.The only problem we are having is bad roads,Epileptic power supply and people at the top embezzling our funds.Thats why our people are migrating to SA.I repeat,SA is not better than Naija! lets come back home and build this country to our taste!We have enough natural resouces,fertile land and technological skills.we need to develope our country and create more jobs for the youth, Concentrate on Agriculture,build good roads,make sure that there is constant power supply,good health care,free education,privatization,deregulation etc Thats the only way our people can come back to Naija!!!!!!!!!!!
Wll this solve the problem? Western Europe is a developed area yet the English and Irish migrate here in droves. People migrate for various reasons. There's absolutely no reason that anyone should be dragged off a bus and beaten to death by armed men irrespective of why he left his homeland. |
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morpheus24
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Then maybe you need to stop directing your responses to me cause I have absolutely no clue what you are going on and on about. I simply corrected your assumption that your claim that 100% deportation does not solve problems is not based on factual information as there are both examples for good and bad for such in history. Stating that it is one sided is ridiculous. You came up with Jews and Germany as 100% for your claim and I stated you can not do that in a sane argument. So again, What the frell has advantages of deportation or not to do with this issue?? I have no clue and I really do not care for the points which you make that I continue to tell you have practically nothing to do with this.
At least you made one thing clear to me that you have absolutely no clue as to what I am going on about. What are the S. africans rioting about? Scarce resources What are they telling their government to do? Get rid of the problem of crime and competition caused by the immigrants How does the government do that? Deportation or repatriate them i.e kick em out How is that going on and on about nothing? My "assumption" is based on fact and you even elude to that by you saying they are both "examples" of good or bad is history. isn't history fact but again you don't care to really debate on that do you. Jews and Germans is one example of many my friend. We didn't finish the arguement so you are assuming. You are attempting to scatter my points by insinuating they are not related to your previous posts regarding explanations from Mbeki to Yardua or problems Nigerians are creating in S.Africa and I am expanding on that scenario. My guy don't worry stick to your topic and I'll stick to mine it is obvious you can't see the relationship or relevance. If you however want to continue shutting down my points by deviating from my logic then feel free and I'll respond. |
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Sky Blue
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WOW. I am still shocked that such a thing could happen. I knew south africa was a violent place but. . . . . This is condemnable and just, i mean beating people to death? One could claim that shooting someone to death, the shooter could claim some diconnection from the victim, but beating someone till they actually die and watch them? You really have to wonder at how much anger and hate must be present. Whatever people choose to do to protest this, i just hope that people will make that same effort of 'doing something' when next we get news about people who are not mus.lims being killed and also beaten to death in the north. This is so sad and i don't know if anybody could be more shocked than me but it is just so frustrating when people come and want to take action and call on the Nigerian government for everyone else not in Nigeria, but when people are beaten to death also in Nigeria as a result of riots also born from intolerance and hatred it is just taken as a norm and as a given. Can't we also please start expressing some shock for Nigeria?
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sheniqua
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WOW. I am still shocked that such a thing could happen. I knew south africa was a violent place but. . . . . This is condemnable and just, i mean beating people to death? One could claim that shooting someone to death, the shooter could claim some diconnection from the victim, but beating someone till they actually die and watch them? You really have to wonder at how much anger and hate must be present. Forgive me if i step out of political correctness but, whatever people choose to do to protest this, i just hope that people will make that same effort of 'doing something' when next we get news about people who are not mus.lims being killed in the north. That's if the thread is not aborted by the religious moderator before the sperm fertilizes the egg. |
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Kobojunkie
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At least you made one thing clear to me that you have absolutely no clue as to what I am going on about.
What are the S. africans rioting about? Scarce resources
What are they telling their government to do? Get rid of the problem of crime and competition caused by the immigrants
How does the government do that? Deportation or repatriate them i.e kick em out
And this is the point where you lost me cause I have no clue how you arrived at this being the solution the government, which has yet to announce what it hopes to do to solve the problem, will go with. Hence the reason why this argument of yours remains baseless. How is that going on and on about nothing?
My "assumption" is based on fact and you even elude to that by you saying they are both "examples" of good or bad is history. isn't history fact but again you don't care to really debate on that do you. Jews and Germans is one example of many my friend. We didn't finish the arguement so you are assuming.
You are attempting to scatter my points by insinuating they are not related to your previous posts regarding explanations from Mbeki to Yardua or problems Nigerians are creating in S.Africa and I am expanding on that scenario.
My guy don't worry stick to your topic and I'll stick to mine it is obvious you can't see the relationship or relevance. If you however want to continue shutting down my points by deviating from my logic then feel free and I'll respond.
Look if you want to continue expanding on your scenario in your mind, be my guest but like I mentioned earlier, this topic is not about the advantages and disadvantages of immigration or deportation but about what is going on now in South Africa, it's roots and what next for South Africa. |
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neonet
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I saw a pic where somebody was set ablaze(An Immigrant) and a police man trying to stop the fire!!!!!! South Africans are so Heartless, after all what the rest of African did for them during apathied,Especially Nigeria( we contributed alot Financially).South Africans generally are cannibals!They don't deserve to be liberated!!!!!!
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darfur (m)
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africa should never be allowed to host any global event. we should spend all our recources in building a strong socio-economic and socio-political environment.
as well as strong security
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Uche2nna (m)
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I am worried about the backlash this would generate in Africa. It is not as if we do not have South African's living in other parts of Africa.
No matter how U toss the coin, this is a very despicable act . I have always taken SA as the hope of the black nation but this goes to confirm the authenticity of the questions being raised about the black race.
The south africans might argue that illegal immigrants contribute to the rising crime rate in the country but does the solution lie in committing another crime. They complain about 419, prostitution etc and yet they are committing murder(s). Aint that hypocritical?
I have read some posts comparing the Ghana incident in Nigeria and the recent development in SA. Unless if I missed something , but the story was that those guys were made to leave. They were not killed nor burnt but asked to (or forced to) leave. I see a huge difference.
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Sky Blue
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@Uche2nna, out of genuine curiosity, why did you ever esteem south africa the hope of the black nation?
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darfur (m)
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well uche, nigeria is not less barbaric than SA we may not have attacked the ghanaians. . ok . . but we attacke each other hausas attack igbos when an atheist in denmark produces a cartoon hausas attack southerners when US marines invade the middle-east M.US.L.I.M.S attack southerners and killed over 200 when miss world was to be held in Abuja so we are not less barbaric than SA. but note that since SA went from white rule to black rule, things have changed. . negatively . . . . unfortunately. |
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Sky Blue
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@dafur, when S.A went from white rule to black rule things got worse? So apartheid was a good situation? So segregation was a good situation? I am really lost for words. A minority leave their counrtry, come into your own country and turn you into a second class citizen based on an audacity of superiority in a nation and continent that was not theirs in the first place, and that is better? So their was no violence in SA during that era?
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sheniqua
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@dafur, when S.A went from white rule to black rule things got worse? So apartheid was a good situation? So segregation was a good situation? I am really lost for words. A minority leave their counrtry, come into your own country and turn you into a second class citizen based on an audacity of superiority in a nation and continent that was not theirs in the first place, and that is better? So their was no violence in SA during that era?
I don't think he said that anywhere in his post. why do people always read more meaning into a post oya Nigeria went backwards since colonial rule does that mean we want the queen Eliza to come back? |
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sheniqua
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well uche, nigeria is not less barbaric than SA we may not have attacked the ghanaians. . ok . . but we attacke each other hausas attack igbos when an atheist in denmark produces a cartoon hausas attack southerners when US marines invade the middle-east M.US.L.I.M.S attack southerners and killed over 200 when miss world was to be held in Abuja so we are not less barbaric than SA. but note that since SA went from white rule to black rule, things have changed. . negatively . . . . unfortunately. maybe we need to ship them short fused awusa almajiris to Johannesburg |
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darfur (m)
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@dafur, when S.A went from white rule to black rule things got worse? So apartheid was a good situation? So segregation was a good situation? I am really lost for words. A minority leave their counrtry, come into your own country and turn you into a second class citizen based on an audacity of superiority in a nation and continent that was not theirs in the first place, and that is better? So their was no violence in SA during that era?
I don't think he said that anywhere in his post.
why do people always read more meaning into a post
oya Nigeria went backwards since colonial rule does that mean we want the queen Eliza to come back?
my dear thank you for teaching the dude. some people na wa o. fact is crime and violence (including but not limited to rape, murder etc) spiked after our brother begin rule SA. The country became less and less organised and more and more like the rest of black africa |
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morpheus24
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And this is the point where you lost me cause I have no clue how you arrived at this being the solution the government, which has yet to announce what it hopes to do to solve the problem, will go with. Hence the reason why this argument of yours remains baseless.
Look if you want to continue expanding on your scenario in your mind, be my guest but like I mentioned earlier, this topic is not about the advantages and disadvantages of immigration or deportation but about what is going on now in South Africa, it's roots and what next for South Africa.
I didn't say the government has made any plans on doing so, neither did I imply this in anyway. I don't get your logic for even saying that. First you say my points are baseless because I mention what the people of S. Africa are asking for. I mean when you hear statements like "Get out of my country you Makwerekwere" and " they are taking our jobs and our women". What do you think the people are saying. Lets talk to the foreigners. Please use your intuition and see past your own self proclaimed insight into S. Africa You need to go back and read my first post again cause its obvious you just want to talk for talking sake. You are the one who responded to my post first as I was explaining why no one should use the "Ghana must go" story to try to justify anything before some other posts led me to delve into deportations and resentment. Everything I am saying has base with what is happening in S. Africa, just cause you can't see it or want to acknowledge it doesn't mean it s not there. You say this topic is not about adv or disadv of immigration but what is going on in South Africa. What the hell then is going on in South Africa? looting and rioting. I guess. Keep trying to knock my base and I'll keep exposing how small your mind is compared to mind. |
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Sky Blue
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africa should never be allowed to host any global event. we should spend all our recources in building a strong socio-economic and socio-political environment.
as well as strong security
To a certain degree i agree. Not necessarily about not hosting anything, but placing focus on developing ourselves and especially from within the continent. However it seems that a lot african countries or rather the governments are only interested in saving face, as if to try and deny the rampant poverty and hunger that are eating the respective nations. Instead when something bad happens the immediate reactions is "how do we look in front of foreigners". I just don't get it. Embarassment comes first before the genuine shock of something bad has happened. |
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sheniqua
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Where is Seun when you need him This amorphous poster has to be banned. Kobo if you respond,you need to be stripped of your moderating abilities and banned too. get over yourselves back to topic. |
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Kobojunkie
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I am worried about the backlash this would generate in Africa. It is not as if we do not have South African's living in other parts of Africa.
No matter how You toss the coin, this is a very despicable act . I have always taken SA as the hope of the black nation but this goes to confirm the authenticity of the questions being raised about the black race.
The south africans might argue that illegal immigrants contribute to the rising crime rate in the country but does the solution lie in committing another crime. They complain about 419, prostitution etc and yet they are committing murder(s). Aint that hypocritical?
I have read some posts comparing the Ghana incident in Nigeria and the recent development in SA. Unless if I missed something , but the story was that those guys were made to leave. They were not killed nor burnt but asked to (or forced to) leave. I see a huge difference.
The reason that was brought up was to make sure people understood that we have in our own history rioted in similar fashion, to have immigrants sent back. I am not sure if you know this but yes, some ghanians were killed in riots. Stores and schools were burnt down in some areas of lagos in protest. Some Liberians were lynched by mobs in yaba as well. So it is not like we have not done similar before. I believe this is for those who claim Nigerians can never do such. |
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neonet
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@darfur, Nigerians are less babaric! have you ever heard where a Nigerian Attacked an Immigrant? we can only attack ourselves, but we don't attack outsiders!!!!! but in South Africa, they attack themselves and also attack immigrants.
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vicade (m)
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@darfur, Nigerians are less babaric! have you ever heard where a Nigerian Attacked an Immigrant? we can only attack ourselves, but we don't attack outsiders!!!!! but in South Africa, they attack themselves and also attack immigrants.
I think Nigerian killing fellow Nigerians is worse than this stuff about attacking outsiders, though they should be both condemned. |
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Uche2nna (m)
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@ Sky blue I can't really say I have solid reasons to that effect. Maybe because I think that they have a stable political climate , have plans about social amenites and infrastucture. Some universities over there are also very research based alluding to a very sound educational system. Of course, I am comparing them to Nigeria and most other African nations. Howvever, I might just be naive to the actual situation over there  |
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morpheus24
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Where is Seun when you need him This amorphous poster has to be banned. Kobo if you respond,you need to be stripped of your moderating abilities and banned too. get over yourselves back to topic. Please can you spell my name right. I am addressing Kobo and again have not insulted him I am simply defending my viewpoint if Kobo wishes he can stop replying my posts and the arguement will be deemed a stale mate. |
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Uche2nna (m)
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@ darfur Yeah, we have our own history especially in terms of the Northern Madness of which I have been a victim too. But then it still does not make it right or justifiable. The Almajiris rising up and beheading the christians because of a cartoon is as bad as the South Africans killing their African neigbours because they think we are all criminals. Just as the Northern elite Almajiris were condemned for the act carried out on christians , so would I condemn the act carried out by the South Africans. @ Kobo I missed that part of the story were some Ghanians were lynched and killed Maybe I went to the rest room when that part was told. |
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