Are Yorubas Cowards?

Afeni,

Pan-Africanism will happen. What is not clear is how they will get over all the differences between various ethnicities, when the views are so entrenched.

Ajia23 believes that he opposes your view but in actual, by dying for Nigeria, while you die for Yoruba, he has just pushed the problem out a little futher.

It seems to me that if you support each state and each locality and consider them viable entity's that deserve respect in their own right.

You have solved the problem of how to unite Africa. Yorubans have the right to exist, Hausa, etc. They have a right to have a large say in determining their own destiny within  Pan-African.

Hausa have their own state and federal lobbyist for their concerns, Yorubans have their own state and federal lobbyist for their concerns.

Instead of trying to force the two together, we should free both.  Of course that requires an impartial civil state and federal government. Like America has, where basically outside of a few historical problems in America, it does not matter what your ethnicity is, when you show up to get a drivers license, only your money matters.

I support Yorubas efforts to be free. To the point of violence, no. But I do accept it.

Afeni are you Yoruba, Igbo, or Hausa? If you don't mind me asking.

Okay thanks 

I read it but I forgot about ityou have so many anti Nigerian and yoruba threads I get confused what you are.

What ever you say 

Why do we have to have warwar is not the answer.

You know by calling yorubas cowards you're also calling youself one too.


War is NOT the answerit just makes things worse.
And in war many innocent people dieits just not right.

Death is inevitable. And by calling Yorubas cowards, my intention is to awaken the sleepers amongst us. I am not expecting the cowards amongst us (many of whom are on this forum) to wake up. They won't, they like their pathetic life too much. However, all you need is a couple thousand resolute and loyal individuals to make a Western Nigerian State a reality.

War would make things worse in the short run. But it would be worth in the long run.


As for the West not wanting a strong African country, it is clear when they made fake pathetic borders that has led to never ending ethnic tension.

afeni, keep talking like a typical Yoruba, all mouth and no action, you think they are cowards, huh? to mi u sound very much like one, when i see you in action then i will know you have something to say. did you talk about the ancient fathers being disappointed why did awolowo and co support Gowon to keep Nigeria as one nation why were they mad and killing Ibo's when they made their own currency? i think the men of old and the now men are thinking alike, 'because if they were not they would never have allowed the British to merge us into one big country, they could have employed those same little gods you love so much and want us to acknowledge to ward off the British but no they did nothing except cooperate with the British.

mind you though, the world is moving into one big community so stay right there campaigning for Nigeria's break up.

Now you made some sense, let's go back to the drawing board to do what? Negotiate like the advanced animals we are supposed to be. I hope Drusilla can see his error now by thinking we fight for the same course. I will only fight like I said earlier, if people make negotiations impossible. And when I stated earlier that I want one Nigeria under terms of justice and equity, I meant exactly what Druisilla stated. Free states within a country that are bound by a sense of communualism and justice. It is only in the event that this fails will I propose negotiations( not war) for division. And like I said, these negotiations are not supposed to be sudden-no, they will happen over a period of time. Even the US that Druisilla quoted has had it's own beleaguered history of wars against rogue states that wanted seccession, and the south that wanted an extension of slavery. But today, it has overcome all these.

So will Nigeria, only without a war as we would have learnt from history that it serves no useful purpose. Those who said Awolowo betrayed the Igbos need to read history and stop seeking to rewrite it. Go and read the agreements made at the Aburi treaty and see if you will still hold that opinion. I would not go into details of this however as I have moved on from that point to something better, hope for the future. Yes, the new generation of Nigerians present hope that Nigeria will come through it's turbulent times to become the giant it ought to be. I thought patroitism was dead in Nigeria, but events at the recently concuded national census proved me dead wrong. An international observer actually told me that she admired the sense of patroitic duty she observed Nigerians displayed during the course of the census. She was in the north, Zamfara to be specific, and she said she saw Igbo, and Yoruba, as well as other southern tribes who were posted there for enumeration sleep on the floor, tolerate harsh conditions to carry out that national assignment. And their hosts who were the poor Hausa people in the interior, gave them such hospitality that is rarely seen anywhere in the world. When some of these enumerators were interviewed on why they agreed to such conditions, almost all of them answered unanimously that it was because it was a national assignment. Now this is what we need in Nigeria. People agreeing to cooperate between each other without a relapse to historical hurts, and looking to the future with a hope for a better Nigeria. And to support this feeling, we need honesty, and loyalty.

This is all I am asking from Afeni and his cohorts. Is that too much to ask?

People, be careful of Afeni. He has already indicated his intention to spread hate on another thread.

right here: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=12735.msg384862;topicseen#msg384862

his words:



If you still think it is worthwhile debating with a person such as this, well, carry on.

please note that AFENI is a mole put into this forum by the west. He is here just for the sole purpose of causing the so much wanted instability by the west. Enough to make us weak but not break us up completely. Exporting our intellectuals and causing a massive brain drain.

Be wise in your dealings with "him"
_{his profile says he is 19 and he claims to be Nigerian}

Also note, while you might characterize my comments as being un-patriotic, non of what I say is a lie.

Afeni,

I am African American.  I am not foolish enough to believe violence is never the answer.

Tell me this. Africans do not make the news in America, unless America is gearing up to do something there.

Nigeria has been on the news alot.  So please do explain this to me. Who are the ones doing the kidnappings, and blockades and other news making incidents in Nigeria right now?

Is that people who think like you or opponents?

Dakmanzero,

Alright then. Somebody in America thinks it is time to listen to the concerns of the Niger Deltans. Thus we are being geared to believe:

a) Something bad is happenning to them.
b) The things they are doing are only natural to people wanting to be free.

All the newsreports go out of their way to emphasize how kind and nice they are to the hostages in addition to stating frankly that the people of ND are indeed mistreated.

The only way that any group in the world can get those kind of newsreports is when somebody behind the scenes in America is supporting the kidnappers.

If they were getting no behind the scenes support, then we would either not hear about them or else we would here about greedy terrorists kidnapping foreigners.

It's going to happen, Americans want that oil and they are searching for the various groups in Nigeria who want us there saving them from the Muslim Terrorists of the North (it doesn't matter if the North is terrorists or not-- by time they are done here, they will be).

Whoever has the oil, has the American friend.

Drusilla

The Niger Delta is where Nigeria gets its oil. And that region has been starved of the country's wealth from time immemorial, simply because other regions of the country wish to maintain control

The Northerners that Afeni hates so much most certainly have done a lot of things to earn that hatred. Building pipelines many miles in length to transport oil from the delta to the north for processing, under the guise of 'federalism'

The North was given military power and control by the British. The west was where all centres of administration were previously situated (until about a decade ago, when the northerners moved the seat of power to, guess where? the North!) Both regions were strengthened when a secession attempt by the eastern region was put down by a combined effort of northern, western and midwestern (Niger delta included) forces.

It turns out that the North got the lions share of the spoils, with the west behind, and the ND got the shortest end of the stick.

It is obvious that the powers that be are terrified of the possibility of a strong Niger delta, so they purposefully keep it subdued. The young people are denied jobs, the cities/towns lack infrastructure, the state budgets are marginalised. Obviously they are not happy, and have resorted to acts of kidnapping and sabotage to get their points across.

Now, the North is mostly muslim, but the West (yoruba) largely is, too. To further complicate issues, the current president is a Yoruba Christian who many previously believed was a pawn of the Northerners.

Now, it is obvious there is a HUGE problem here.

Now, Afeni's solution to this problem is to split the country along major ethnic lines. Let everyone go his own way and be happy. Sounds simple doesn't it? But then you forget- the North, where all the power lies, is the region that stands to lose the greatest amount. They will lose the oil money they currently enjoy, but not their military might. The south-south will lose military support from the federation, but will be sittting on a goldmine.

Of course we all know what comes next. An evil muslim horde invading the peaceloving christian Niger Deltans, who just happen to be oil-rich. recipe for disaster. And do you know what? that is just *one* of many nightmare scenarios.

What this tells me is that dividing the country is not the answer- as it will only lead to bloodshed. An answer needs to be found, but it doesn't lie in the suicidal direction of secession.

To some, this stance is cowardly. And there we have our topic.