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marcustan (m)
Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« on: May 28, 2008, 03:18 PM »

Hello gyz,
This has realy been bugging me 4 quite a wyl.I just started  learning Java and networking together,they are both realy nice and am wondering the one i should focus more on.Any opinion of yours will be highly appreciated.
Bossman (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #1 on: May 28, 2008, 08:16 PM »

Which one of them to you feel you like doing? You should know where your strengths lie. Do not go into a profession ONLY because of the money. You must have a passion for it. If you do not like a something and you go into it just for the money, most of the time you will not have a successful career doing it.
sbucareer (f)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #2 on: May 28, 2008, 08:25 PM »


Bossman is 101% right. Follow his idea(s)
aphoe (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #3 on: May 29, 2008, 03:33 PM »

go for which one of them u are passionate about. dont base your decision on money

the truth is,  u actually get paid more for how good your job is. there are networkers that earn more than some java programmers and vice versa. its just a matter of how well u can market urself
javalove (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #4 on: June 01, 2008, 07:42 PM »

Quote from: aphoe on May 29, 2008, 03:33 PM
go for which one of them u are passionate about. don't base your decision on money

the truth is,  u actually get paid more for how good your job is. there are networkers that earn more than some java programmers and vice versa. its just a matter of how well u can market yourself

Gbam!
Ghenghis (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #5 on: June 02, 2008, 07:37 AM »

Its good to have a healthy understanding of all areas of IT, but at a point you just have to make a decision.

You could go into Network Programming  Grin

There aren't enough of those around ,

Programming is probably the less saturated area right now but like @ahoe says, it depends,

You have a good problem  Grin
kanirip (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #6 on: June 04, 2008, 05:31 PM »

Maybe I'm not as happy or optimistic as my fellow posters to this thread, but I fear I will have to take a different perspective from what everyone else has said.

In my opinion, unless you are outstanding(or believe you can be 'with good reason') in programming then choose Networking everytime! Now when I say outstanding I mean that you'd be so good in programming whatever the language to be used for the program. From SQL to Assembly, Coldfusion to Esterel. You must be 'the' complete programmer!

And you must truly LOVE programming because the matter of fact is that when you start in Software Development in this country you might have to tolerate getting paid just enough to transport you to the office and back home!

I am of the belief that the reason why Networking is saturated is because its much easier to learn and you get paid much more for expertise than for programming! Do you know how mcuh you'd get paid for being able to 'configure'( which may involve programming) a Cisco VOIP router to send email/records calls after calls from certain IPs are made/received!

Do you think it'd be the same if you created a program to generate 256-bit Security Certificates Hashes which could could be used to transport, say EMail messages across unsecured networks as well as guarantee non-collision for a very high amount of input combinations and was immune to the current Debian SSL Debacle, even if run on Debian/Ubuntu?

Hence why I am suggesting it!

I won't be surprised to hear that the best programmers in this country are working for Shell/Chevron/ExxonMobil doing pet projects at home to remind themselves that they are programmers. I can't blame them! The VB programmers who develop our in-house application where I work get paid something around the region of 60K a month.

I mean. That is ridiculous!

And my co-workers wonder why it takes a long time for signature uploading functionality to be added to the application!

Another funny example, A friend of mine wanted to help a dry-cleaners to develop some software which would help the owner track all transactions done by his workers. It had some long list of features he wanted which included the ability to track when one of his workers tried to cheat him(How he expects this to be done I will never know), the application should stop/ or report workers whenever they 'tried' modify a price for  a type of garment, it should place an audit for everything any user did ( except himself of course Wink which is itself a security risk in itself). He also wanted to be able t track it from the comfort of his home!

He wanted to pay 20K for the application!

There are so many reasons why I feels Software Development is stunted but that is for another thread!

For everything I said beforehand I stand to be corrected!
Ghenghis (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #7 on: June 04, 2008, 07:15 PM »

@kanirip  you are cynical but mostly, correct.

CCNA certs are a 1 naira per dozen , 
so the really good networking guys now chase CCNP,CCIE etc.

Don't discourage the brother, lets give him perspective ,

@marcustan Naija is more of a consumer country than manufacturing hence , Cisco would bring their product we master them and start using the products
(Thats our typical networker)

to create a program/application(even a poor one, i've seen mannnnnnnny) you have to have some element of creativity
In all areas where such creative skills are used there is also a tendency for the effort not to be recognized, if it where that easy then it wouldn't be creative  Huh
You can figure out the rest ,

I can assure you, not all programmers earn 60k ( so please know more than just VB)

Ultimately you find whatever you do rewarding, programming or otherwise ,
mishooo (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #8 on: June 04, 2008, 07:44 PM »

Am into IT (software Programming) in Lagos and i can tell you if you are after the money, then go into Networking and be creative, soon the money will come rolling. That is Nigeria of Today. But Programming is a field that is still growing up in Naija because we still appreciate customized programs/softwares.

But believe me, if you go into software programming AND YOU ARE PATIENT till you become good ( and i mean GOOD), the money that will be rolling in soon and will surpass those of Network/Hardware guys.That is Nigeria of tomorrow.

Big and Multinational Companies are now going into using customized Softwares a little gradually and of course need Software guys to support and maintain it. Since their income come from the software edge they have, they tend to pay you much money to keep the ideas flowing.

just my 2 kobo Cool Cool
javalove (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #9 on: June 07, 2008, 08:30 PM »

Quote from: kanirip on June 04, 2008, 05:31 PM
Maybe I'm not as happy or optimistic as my fellow posters to this thread, but I fear I will have to take a different perspective from what everyone else has said.

In my opinion, unless you are outstanding(or believe you can be 'with good reason') in programming then choose Networking everytime! Now when I say outstanding I mean that you'd be so good in programming whatever the language to be used for the program. From SQL to Assembly, Coldfusion to Esterel. You must be 'the' complete programmer!

And you must truly LOVE programming because the matter of fact is that when you start in Software Development in this country you might have to tolerate getting paid just enough to transport you to the office and back home!

I am of the belief that the reason why Networking is saturated is because its much easier to learn and you get paid much more for expertise than for programming! Do you know how mcuh you'd get paid for being able to 'configure'( which may involve programming) a Cisco VOIP router to send email/records calls after calls from certain IPs are made/received!

Do you think it'd be the same if you created a program to generate 256-bit Security Certificates Hashes which could could be used to transport, say EMail messages across unsecured networks as well as guarantee non-collision for a very high amount of input combinations and was immune to the current Debian SSL Debacle, even if run on Debian/Ubuntu?

Hence why I am suggesting it!

I won't be surprised to hear that the best programmers in this country are working for Shell/Chevron/ExxonMobil doing pet projects at home to remind themselves that they are programmers. I can't blame them! The VB programmers who develop our in-house application where I work get paid something around the region of 60K a month.

 I mean. That is ridiculous!

And my co-workers wonder why it takes a long time for signature uploading functionality to be added to the application!

Another funny example, A friend of mine wanted to help a dry-cleaners to develop some software which would help the owner track all transactions done by his workers. It had some long list of features he wanted which included the ability to track when one of his workers tried to cheat him(How he expects this to be done I will never know), the application should stop/ or report workers whenever they 'tried' modify a price for  a type of garment, it should place an audit for everything any user did ( except himself of course Wink which is itself a security risk in itself). He also wanted to be able t track it from the comfort of his home!

He wanted to pay 20K for the application!

There are so many reasons why I feels Software Development is stunted but that is for another thread!

For everything I said beforehand I stand to be corrected!


Before i start, let me say u write well.  try applying to any of naija's print media house to be a columnist on IT issues in nigeria,  Cheesy lol

Your points were clear and well stated.

You dont need to be good to the extreme before you can start making good money. The case studies you used does not apply to most naija developers, i mean me for example. It depends on exposure, your targets and of course CONNECTIONS. Thats wat naija is "almost" all about. With your connection, even if what you know is MS Access macros, you go count your cool millions without sweat.

I have never sold a 100k application (no blabs here, for real), and i tell u d kind of apps i develop sometimes, i feel like i am cheating my clients with the money i get. Its al about packaging too and not sell yourself cheap. The problrm with naija developers is that its every job that comes their way they want to do. you don't have to do every job. dont act hungry and always stand on your price. These might not be same for all of us but at least, i believe its a good business practice.

Taling about loving programming, this applies to every profession that invloves creativity e.g graphics design.  To get maximum satisfaction from any job, the love has to be there and programming is not an exception. If you dont luv the networking, then it becomes a difficult profession but if you do, it is seen as easy.

Programming in this country boild down to getting the big job. You can only get he big job if you know the right pips. Sometimes i make what bankers or network engineers earn in 5 months from one job. Sometimes i dont make anything for 5 months! I have never looked for job nor seek for employment.

So it depends on the side of naija u are exposed to,
kanirip (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #10 on: June 10, 2008, 11:55 AM »

I'm happy that not everyone thinks I am talking out of my backside! Wink

As I said earlier the problems with Software Development in this country are too numerous and pretty much all of them are chronic and fatal. Ranging from the attitude of Executives to anything IT to the Otigba Market, too many factors play against the Software Developer and Software Development in Nigeria!

As for the guy that said that 'Connections' was needed in Nigeria, I fear that is another reason why software development in this country is pretty much comatose! I am quite certain that you didn't have this in mind but it is not hard to imagine how connections have allowed people with crap Software Imagination and even worse Software Applications to be granted Software Projects. I mean has anyone tried to use cscsnigerialtd.com or nigeria.com( which was apparently sponsored by the Nigerian Government!)?

The CSCS website is damn near unusable during working hours in Nigeria and isn't completely functional with the second most popular browser on the planet (Firefox)! In fact the site started messing up with IE as well just so that firefox didn't feel left out. And its also 'Proudly Nigerian'!

There is no single Nigerian application (that I am aware of) which is used en masse by any noticeable populace outside these shores. And to be particularly honest I don't think there is any Nigerian Software used in Nigeria by any notice populace within the country!

I happily stand to be corrected in anything I've said in the previous paragraph.

We need some 'Dansa' or perhaps better 'Fruta' software in this country!

And yes I'm a programmer. And a crap one at that, at least by my own standards! But the fact that I, in my crap state, can still break the security of 80% of the Nigerian Software I have come across gives you an impression of the esteem in which I hold Software Development in this Nation.

I have not developed Software 'professionally' but if I were to be the author of any financial software in this country in its current state, I'd be terribly dissapointed in myself!

sbucareer (f)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #11 on: June 11, 2008, 09:45 PM »


kanirip, thanks for that last post. You said your mind at least. Incase anyone happens to work for cscsnigerialtd, your problem is cluster.

Your Information Technology is not deployed very well and perhaps listen to Kanirip and get proper software developer to tweak the system. Don't feel bad. Even in the UK, their critical software system is designed by Indians and maintain by Britons.

You can use the same concept. By maintaining other people software you can learn a lot for yourself.
javalove (m)
Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria?
« #12 on: June 13, 2008, 05:01 PM »

Quote from: sbucareer on June 11, 2008, 09:45 PM

kanirip, thanks for that last post. You said your mind at least. Incase anyone happens to work for cscsnigerialtd, your problem is cluster.

Your Information Technology is not deployed very well and perhaps listen to Kanirip and get proper software developer to tweak the system. Don't feel bad. Even in the UK, their critical software system is designed by Indians and maintain by Britons.

You can use the same concept. By maintaining other people software you can learn a lot for yourself.


Gbam!
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