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SeanT21 (f)
From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« on: June 10, 2008, 07:24 PM »

Pursuits | Vir Sanghvi

This story was written by an indian girl on livemint,com/wallstreetjournal. Read on!!
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By the time this appears in print, the contretemps over Harbhajan Singh, Andrew Symonds and the use of the words “monkey” or “monkey man” on the cricket field will probably have been resolved. Nevertheless, let’s first get that issue out of the way.
Unlike many Indians, I believe that Symonds had reason to be upset when he was taunted by spectators in India, when he was called a monkey, and when people in the stands made monkey-like noises to annoy him. This goes way beyond the line and there’s no doubt that India owes him an apology.
But, were the spectators taunting him because he is part-black? That’s more difficult to answer. My guess is that Symonds gets called a monkey because of his tendency to smear a white gel on his lips which—and I am sorry to say this—gives him a slightly simian appearance. The spectators were reacting, I guess, to his rather unusual form of face paint, not to his race. If he had been yellow, green, brown or even blue, he would have evoked the same response.
Identity crisis: The taunts against Symonds probably have more to do with his white lip gel than his mixed race . (Mick Tsikas / Reuters)Besides, Indians don’t—on the whole—use “monkey” as a racial epithet in the way that Westerners do (“jungle-bunny” is a common British slur for black people) and tend not to be racist on the sporting field. Way back in the 1960s (when he got engaged to starlet Anju Mahendru) Gary Sobers was treated like a king in India. By the 1970s, we all worshipped The Great Prophet Ali. When Pele visited India during that decade he received a warm welcome. Nor do the West Indians complain of racism when they tour India. Men like Brian Lara and Viv Richards (who went on to father a child with the actor Neena Gupta—nobody commented on the race issue) are treated like gods.
So, yes, spectators may have behaved badly with Symonds but it was not about race.
Having got that out of the way, let’s tackle the big question: Are Indians racist?
You bet we are.
We are, first of all, an extraordinarily colour conscious people. In traditional families, the best bride is a fair girl and a dark child is an object of shame or pity. (When I was born, my outraged mother did not speak to my grandfather for weeks in protest against his first reaction to my baby pictures which was, that I was dark and bald—as indeed I have remained.) Often we are more colour conscious than we need to be: Both Amitabh Bachchan and Shatrughan Sinha were turned down by producers in the 1970s on the grounds that they were not fair enough. A few film-makers took the risk and both ended up as big stars.
But while we may have changed our attitudes to colour, we are still stubbornly racist. Like Brits and Americans, we are willing to treat black people differently if they are famous sports stars or movie idols. But we are less willing to mix with black people of no great distinction.
Speak to any African student in New Delhi and you will hear stories of the most appalling discrimination. They find it hard to rent houses—places that were on the market suddenly turn out to be full when landlords discover that the potential tenants are black. Rarely are they invited to people’s homes and some even find that taxi-drivers and scooterwallahs are unwilling to accept their custom.
Nor is our racism restricted to our own country. Indians abroad can be even more racist. Within the UK Indian/Pakistani community, many of its more prosperous members flinch from being called black. They have no desire to be clubbed with West Indians and a completely bogus term “Asian”—which means Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi but excludes the rest of Asia—has been invented to describe them. When many Indians in the UK started voting Conservative in the 1980s it was at least partly because the Conservative party treated them as honorary white people (sun-tanned Jews perhaps) while Labour believed in the old Afro-Asian commonality.
In East Africa, one reason why the Gujaratis were hated so much (they were mostly evicted between 1968 to 1972 from Kenya and Uganda) was because black people regarded them as racists who thought they were better than indigenous Africans. Few of the rich Sindhis in Nigeria have any Nigerian friends. And one of Nelson Mandela’s greatest achievements was to blunt black hostility of South African Indians—who were often seen as lackeys of the apartheid regime.
Things are not much better in the Caribbean. When I was in Guyana over a decade ago, there was so much tension between the Indians and the blacks that I actually felt unsafe. In Trinidad, a few years ago, our Indian driver shocked a busload of journos by puncturing our praises of Brian Lara by saying that he did not support the West Indian cricket team because it consisted of “10 niggers and Chanderpaul”. (I’m sorry but that’s the word he used; we finished our drive in horrified silence.) Many West Indian critics suggest that at least some of V.S. Naipaul’s loathing of Trinidad is prompted by his disdain for the people he calls “negroes”. (Matters were not helped when Naipaul published A Turn In the South in which he suggested that perhaps the old white racists in the US South had not been so bad, the poor dears.)
So let’s treat the cricket controversy at three levels.
One: Spectators behaved badly with Symonds. Two: But they were not being racist (and the Australian cricketers are liars and cheats anyway). And three: We are a deeply racist society. And it’s time we came to terms with that.[/b](Write to Vir at pursuits@livemint.com)

www.livemint.com/2008/01/18004344/Are-we-racist-You-know-the-an.html

After reading this article, i agree that many indians tends to be racist. This is comming from an Indian herself.
SeanT21 (f)
Re: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already. From An Indian Girl
« #1 on: June 10, 2008, 11:37 PM »

Most off the indians i have met are really nice. I guess america changed them.
naija_diva (f)
Re: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already. From An Indian Girl
« #2 on: June 11, 2008, 12:49 AM »

i don't think that they are really racist but they prefer to be light. if you look at most bollywood films, the majority of the actors are light skin with lighter eyes that sometimes if you don't take time they start to almost look hispanic or even white. but to get to the point, i don't think that they are racist, they're just confused.
lazy (m)
Re: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already. From An Indian Girl
« #3 on: June 11, 2008, 03:07 PM »

I think the term Racist is overused and has lost its meaning.
lucabrasi (m)
Re: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already. From An Indian Girl
« #4 on: June 11, 2008, 05:23 PM »

i don't know about america but here in the united kingdom,the pakistanis are the most racist mainly towards blacks and then to a lesser extent the indians,though having said that,i have met a lot of really nce hindus, they tend to be cool with blacks though maybe its cause they ha blacks too and also suffer discrimination within themselves with the caste system and with the pakistanis, think america doesnt leave room for the whole racism against blacks thing from indians/pakistanis cause the blacks are more united,
Riskie (f)
Re: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already. From An Indian Girl
« #5 on: June 11, 2008, 05:27 PM »

From my personal experience I would say that many Indians that I know are extremely unkind to blacks. I have been in a shopping mail and have had Indians openly make fun of me as I walked by. Once when I was in high school I was outside waiting for my mother to pick me up and three Indian kids riding bicycles passed by and yelled at me "Ya Samara!!!", which in Arabic means something like "hey you, dark skinned". One thing that really pissed me off was when I went to a salon to get a pedicure, the Indian woman who was working there said to me that they don't do pedicures and they don't have nailpolish. Low and behold right in front of her was a bunch of different colored nail polishes. I then yelled at her about how stupid she was then I walked out. I don't think she really cared. She was just happy that she didn't have to touch my black feet. I don't discriminate against Indians, in fact I have a few as friends, although I tend to be very suspiscious of them. One of my Indian "friends" asked me once how come I never date people from my own race, meanwhile she doesn't either. I guess she feels its ok for her to date outside her race because she's not black. My aunt was looking for a job and gave her resume to this Indian guy that worked in a bank nearby and he said to her "Why are Nigerian people so black. You will find a job easier if you were light. Have you ever tried bleaching?"   Shocked (these were his exact words) I have seen so many occassions in which Indians have treated black people very badly simply because of their color. I could even write a lengthy novel. But like the poster said many of them are truly nice people. They tend to be the more exposed ones though.
SeanT21 (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #6 on: June 11, 2008, 08:41 PM »

Quote from: Riskie on June 11, 2008, 05:27 PM
From my personal experience I would say that many Indians that I know are extremely unkind to blacks. I have been in a shopping mail and have had Indians openly make fun of me as I walked by. Once when I was in high school I was outside waiting for my mother to pick me up and three Indian kids riding bicycles passed by and yelled at me "Ya Samara!!!", which in Arabic means something like "hey you, dark skinned". One thing that really pissed me off was when I went to a salon to get a pedicure, the Indian woman who was working there said to me that they don't do pedicures and they don't have nailpolish. Low and behold right in front of her was a bunch of different colored nail polishes. I then yelled at her about how stupid she was then I walked out. I don't think she really cared. She was just happy that she didn't have to touch my black feet. I don't discriminate against Indians, in fact I have a few as friends, although I tend to be very suspiscious of them. One of my Indian "friends" asked me once how come I never date people from my own race, meanwhile she doesn't either. I guess she feels its ok for her to date outside her race because she's not black. My aunt was looking for a job and gave her resume to this Indian guy that worked in a bank nearby and he said to her "Why are Nigerian people so black. You will find a job easier if you were light. Have you ever tried bleaching?"   Shocked (these were his exact words) I have seen so many occassions in which Indians have treated black people very badly simply because of their color. I could even write a lengthy novel. But like the poster said many of them are truly nice people. They tend to be the more exposed ones though.

i am so sorry you had to experience that. If i was in your shoe i probably would have done the opposite to those girls riding their bikes. I would have kicked their ass. I also would have told the nail lady were to shove her nail polish.
But i respect your decisions though,
Uche2nna (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #7 on: June 11, 2008, 08:44 PM »

Quote from: SeanT21 on June 11, 2008, 08:41 PM
i am so sorry you had to experience that. If i was in your shoe i probably would have done the opposite to those girls riding their bikes. I would have kicked their ass. I also would have told the nail lady were to shove her nail polish.
But i respect your decisions though,

 Cheesy

 U need some anger management classes  Grin
SeanT21 (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #8 on: June 11, 2008, 09:08 PM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on June 11, 2008, 08:44 PM
Cheesy

 You need some anger management classes Grin

i don't have anger problems. What will you do if someone did that to you? Just Leave without saying or doing nothing?
darfur (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #9 on: June 12, 2008, 09:43 PM »

make them go hang Grin
darfur no care

see poor man see racism. no be person wey get influence go fit sack person for office?

see gateman de make noise Grin

i don suffer Grin Grin Grin
Small_Anus
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #10 on: June 12, 2008, 09:44 PM »

sho
Hero (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #11 on: June 13, 2008, 01:59 PM »

And they're perverts. Look at them making it rain on a little baby girl. Sick shit.  Angry

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhsg5yY3gP6JR7MK9S
4 Him (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #12 on: June 13, 2008, 02:05 PM »

Joke of the century, so indians are also racist to blacks?  Cheesy Just let one of them try it with me. He'll have an earful . . .
4 Him (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #13 on: June 13, 2008, 02:08 PM »

they dare to call us monkeys when monkeys are a national symbol allowed to roam their own streets?  Grin
They dare to call us dark skinned when some of them (i work with a few) are actually darker than i am?  Shocked Grin

Sometimes i don't pity blacks who endure racism from so many of this non-white pretenders, how on earth can you leave ur country for a place like India?
naija_diva (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #14 on: June 14, 2008, 03:46 AM »

Quote from: Hero on June 13, 2008, 01:59 PM
And they're perverts. Look at them making it rain on a little baby girl. Sick shit. Angry

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhsg5yY3gP6JR7MK9S

i heard that too.
SeanT21 (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #15 on: June 14, 2008, 04:43 PM »

Quote from: 4 Him on June 13, 2008, 02:08 PM
they dare to call us monkeys when monkeys are a national symbol allowed to roam their own streets? Grin
They dare to call us dark skinned when some of them (i work with a few) are actually darker than i am? Shocked Grin

Sometimes i don't pity blacks who endure racism from so many of this non-white pretenders, how on earth can you leave your country for a place like India?

cmon now, not all of them are racist. Especially, the ones in the US.
4Her (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #16 on: June 14, 2008, 04:45 PM »

Most of Asians tends to be racist period!! especially the Chinese and Koreans
naija_diva (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #17 on: June 14, 2008, 08:57 PM »

Quote from: 4Her on June 14, 2008, 04:45 PM
Most of Asians tends to be racist period!! especially the Chinese and Koreans

they can be racist all they want as long as they sell me my hair products.
4Her (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #18 on: June 15, 2008, 06:17 AM »

Quote from: naija_diva on June 14, 2008, 08:57 PM
they can be racist all they want as long as they sell me my hair products.
lmao. . . you're not serious
Arielle
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #19 on: June 16, 2008, 12:28 AM »

Why don't you buy hair products from black-owned shops? If you have an alternative, why give your money to people who think they are better than you?
SeanT21 (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #20 on: June 16, 2008, 05:06 PM »

I have never met a racist asian in my life. lets keep it that way.
naija_diva (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #21 on: June 17, 2008, 05:33 PM »

Quote from: Arielle on June 16, 2008, 12:28 AM
Why don't you buy hair products from black-owned shops? If you have an alternative, why give your money to people who think they are better than you?

if you find me a black owned shop than i'll go. as of now, there are mostly asian owned shop.

people always worrying about stuid stuff. if they think that they are better than me, so what. they don't know me and i don;'t know them. if working at the shop is the only job they have than i guarantee that i am better than them but they don't have to know that. if people keep worrying about what someone and what they think, just know that you have made them happy by caring. people like that i just ignore because while they are trying to wish bad on me and think bad of me, i'm just moving on up.
SeanT21 (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #22 on: June 18, 2008, 09:10 PM »

how about the nigerians that watch bollywood.
Hero (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #23 on: June 18, 2008, 11:03 PM »

@ naija_diva

You live in the Maryland/DC area and are claiming that you can't find black owned hair shops?  Cheesy That's totally proposturous, there's loads of them. Just admit to wanting to give you business to the Asians rather than your own black folks, simply because the Asian mans prices are like 20 cent cheaper. See this is the real problem with some black folks, they to cheap to support their own. God bless em.  Cheesy
Hero (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #24 on: June 18, 2008, 11:08 PM »

Quote from: SeanT21 on June 18, 2008, 09:10 PM
how about the nigerians that watch bollywood.

They're imbeciles watching that filth in which subliminally and out-rightly feeds them messages of how dark and ugly they apparently are, according to the vast majority of the Indian population. 
naija_diva (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #25 on: June 18, 2008, 11:16 PM »

Quote from: Hero on June 18, 2008, 11:03 PM
@ naija_diva

You live in the Maryland/DC area and are claiming that you can't find black owned hair shops? Cheesy That's totally proposturous, there's loads of them. Just admit to wanting to give you business to the Asians rather than your own black folks, simply because the Asian mans prices are like 20 cent cheaper. See this is the real problem with some black folks, they to cheap to support their own. God bless em. Cheesy

i'm serious, i can't find any black owned hair shops. the have some stores owned by africans but i'm sorry they have nothing. they probably own like one brand of a particular product and then they are out of business the next day.
lazy (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #26 on: June 19, 2008, 12:09 AM »

Quote from: Hero on June 18, 2008, 11:03 PM
See this is the real problem with some black folks, they to cheap to support their own. God bless em.  Cheesy

@ Hero

I know we disagree a lot but this is one time I have to agree with you. Smiley
superman (m)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #27 on: June 19, 2008, 12:33 AM »

naked truth!!!

they are funi BARSTARD!!!! Some of yall inferior blacks glamourise like you are in the main stream by hangin with these pakis and $hit, whatever, which makes you feel good can pretend as much as you want, but the truth is still on wall!

ha yes sir
SeanT21 (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #28 on: June 19, 2008, 08:14 PM »

what the heck is a Paki?

Quote from: naija_diva on June 18, 2008, 11:16 PM
i'm serious, i can't find any black owned hair shops. the have some stores owned by africans but i'm sorry they have nothing. they probably own like one brand of a particular product and then they are out of business the next day.

I too prefer asian hair products. Have you ever worn a weeve? who do you think made it?hmm

Asian people are not racist. If they were, they are not as bad as the indians.

I don't buy products base on the race selling it. I buy it base on the quality.

So if asians are racist, I will still buy from them cause there products are good.
quinofhart (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #29 on: June 19, 2008, 08:25 PM »

I don't Like Indians period. Anyone can hate me or scream racist, i really don't care, we are racist to a point. Indians i have found are selfish, autocratic, self serving, dishonest . would sell their grandma for a rupee. All the Politically correct people can come screaming, i do not like them.

As a woman i stopped purchasing anything from indians. i drive to the other side of the river to buy my African food stuff from a Ghanian man in Peckham, rather  than buy from a local indian. its the principle. They sell what we need in London, i mean black products and threat us like shit. I went with my friend to a shop run by indians and as we walked around my friend who lived in India for many years because her dad was stationed there in the early 70s(military base) she understood what they were saying. My friend asked why the plantains were rotten and still on display for sale? they went into ''how Africans are dogs and do we have rotten food to even eat in Africa'' my friend replied in Hindi and they were flabagasted. since that day never will i give an indian my penny. this is just an example they are always the first to cry racism , and they are the worst when it comes to discriminating. their nepotism is unreal too
SeanT21 (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #30 on: June 19, 2008, 08:35 PM »

Quote from: quinofhart on June 19, 2008, 08:25 PM
I don't Like Indians period. Anyone can hate me or scream racist, i really don't care, we are racist to a point. Indians i have found are selfish, autocratic, self serving, dishonest . would sell their grandma for a rupee. All the Politically correct people can come screaming, i do not like them.

As a woman i stopped purchasing anything from indians. i drive to the other side of the river to buy my African food stuff from a Ghanian man in Peckham, rather than buy from a local indian. its the principle. They sell what we need in London, i mean black products and threat us like shit. I went with my friend to a shop run by indians and as we walked around my friend who lived in India for many years because her dad was stationed there in the early 70s(military base) she understood what they were saying. My friend asked why the plantains were rotten and still on display for sale? they went into ''how Africans are dogs and do we have rotten food to even eat in Africa'' my friend replied in Hindi and they were flabagasted. since that day never will i give an indian my penny. this is just an example they are always the first to cry racism , and they are the worst when it comes to discriminating. their nepotism is unreal too

this is a sad story. Nasty ass indians. No wonder Weird Shit happens in India.
quinofhart (f)
Re: From An Indian Girl: Are We Racist? You Know The Answer Already
« #31 on: June 19, 2008, 08:41 PM »

well that's my own experince and alot of my girlriends say similar things, so some where in the  middle there must be a ring of truth to perceptions of Indians. I really refuse to sit on the fewnce on this and i say honestly how i feel about them. I don't care for Political correctness.
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