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KunleOshob (m)
Lost Books Of The Bible
« on: June 17, 2008, 04:45 PM »

The Church View:
          In the Catholic Church the version used is the Douay-Rheims Bible consisting of 73 books. In the Protestant church only the 66 books approved by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1885, which today is known as the Authorized King James Bible, are used.  No other books, neither the Apocrypha, which was included in the original King James Bible, nor the 22 books mentioned or quoted in the King James Bible, are considered inspired.

The Bible View:
          There was no specific list or accounting of all the books that made up the Bible until the commission of the first Bible by the Emperor Constantine in the 4th Century AD.   The books that make up the Authorized King James Bible were chosen by men, not divine forces.  The language of the King James Bible is obscure and limited.

An Introduction

     Human history has allowed precious few ancient religious writings to survive the onslaught of the more aggressive and powerful religious forces, which seek only to gain territory and wealth. Genocide and cultural eradication always go hand in hand with missionary zeal. In many cases every trace of the conquered society's religious writings, practices, icons, and even buildings were destroyed, in the name of conversion from worship of gods considered evil, and religious customs labeled as heresies. What generally results from past crusades is the conqueror's religion replacing or predominantly blending with the conquered culture's former religious practice, making the its religion almost unrecognizable. Christianity falls into the latter category, having been the victim of the Roman Empire, under the Emperor Constantine, who blended the Christian Church with the institutionalized "pagan" practices of Rome and eliminated any semblance of either the Jewish religious influence or the first church Jesus established during his ministry.

The First Reformation

     After solidifying his position to gain complete control of the western portion of the empire in 312, the Emperor Constantine instituted the Edict of Milan, a "Magna Carta of religious liberty," which eventually changed the Empire’s religion and put Christianity on an equal footing with paganism. Almost overnight the position of the Christian Church was reversed from persecuted to legal and accepted. Constantine began to rely on the church for support, and it on him for protection. The Church and the Empire formed an alliance, which remains to this day. Very rapidly, the laws and policies of the Empire and the doctrine of the Church became one with Constantine as the interpreter of both law and policy. This was accomplished by eliminating hundreds of books thought to be against "Church" doctrine and watering down what remained by blending Christian beliefs and practice with long established Roman sanctioned pagan worship.
     Constantine believed that the Church and the State should be as close as possible. Constantine tolerated pagan practices, keeping pagan gods on coins and retaining his pagan high priest title "Pontifex Maximus" in order to maintain popularity with his former subjects. In 330 he began an assault on paganism but used a clever method of persuasion to force people to follow the laws by combining pagan worship with Christianity. He made December 25th, the birthday of the pagan Unconquered Sun god, the official holiday now celebrated as the birthday of Jesus. He also replaced the weekly day of worship by making rest on Saturday unlawful and forcing the new religion to honor the first, not the seventh day, as a day of rest. As a way of defining his concept of the new universal religion he simply classified everything "Jewish" to be an abomination. Considering almost every aspect of the Bible is "Jewish" by association, every doctrinal biblical principle was changed or eliminated. After 337 Constantine increased his purging of the more obvious aspects of paganism.
     Through a series of Universal Councils, he and his successors completely altered doctrine without regard to biblical edict, set up a church hierarchy of his own design, and established a set of beliefs and practices, which are the basis for all mainstream Bible-based churches. The separation of the Protestants and the Roman Church caused a physical split but the beliefs and practices established by Constantine remained almost identical. Very little has changed since the 4th century Councils changed the face of Christianity. An effective practice instituted was the purging of any book in the formerly accepted biblical works, over 80% of the total, that church leaders felt did not fit within their new concept of Christianity. The doctrines and practices remaining in the surviving books were effectively eradicated by simply changing them by replacing clear scripture with Church-sanctioned doctrine.

Forbidden Not Lost

     Constantine began what was to become a centuries long effort to eliminate any book in the original Bible that was considered unacceptable to the new doctrine of the church. At that time, it is believed there were up to 600 books, which comprised the work we now know as the Bible. Through a series of decisions made by the early church leadership, all but 80 of those books, known as the King James Translation of 1611, were purged from the work, with a further reduction by the Protestant Reformation bringing the number to 66 in the "Authorized" King James Bible.
     What we now have in Bible-based religion, whether labeled as "Catholic", or Protesting Catholic, known as “Protestant", is unrecognizable form either the Hebrew religion, now known as the Jewish religion, or the church established at Jerusalem by the Apostles and disciples of Jesus. The practices of this first church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown, despite being clearly outlined in the existing New Testament. In its place are doctrines and practices first established in the first "true" Reformation of Christianity begun by Constantine.
     There is much controversy over how many books the Bible should actually contain but considering the depth and scope of those few works remaining in the "accepted" Bible, we see but a fragment of incredible wisdom and history. A study of the Lost Books of the Bible is incomplete without a clear understanding that this is not a matter of simple loss, but a campaign by the Roman Catholic Church to purge books variously classified as heretical, dangerous, and corruptive. To the public they are “lost”; to the Church they are “forbidden”. Although the exact number of books purged is known only to the Church, and not shared knowledge, some can be determined by the discovery of their presence in the church prior to the reformation resulting in what became known as the Roman "Universal" Church.
     One of the more obvious forms of discovery comes from the surviving books themselves, which sight works not present in the existing collection. Also many do not know that the Apocryphal books were actually included in the King James translation until they were officially purged by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1885.  Other writings also connect many books to the first church. Whatever the number before the purge by the formation of Catholicism by Constantine; even one lost book is a great loss indeed.
     We claim no expertise concerning the authenticity of any the lost books and leave this judgment to the reader.  We do, however, strongly reject the self-proclaimed authority of any dogmatically motivated and church-controlled mortals who think themselves qualified to make such decisions.  One of the most logical and realistic concepts in the Bible is the caution that one should prove all things.  We believe that proving the veracity of a given thing is an individual responsibility, which must not, and should not be the duty of those who think themselves better judges. 



I am starting this thread to provide further insight in to how the bible which we all claim to believe in came about.
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #1 on: June 17, 2008, 04:47 PM »

  The reprehensible and unquestioned  removal books from the Bible beginning in the 4th century with the Emperor Constantine was the beginning of the cover-up of anomalous references and unwanted doctrine from this ancient work.  Through secret conferences, and with hidden agendas, the leaders of the early church purged hundreds of books from what was once a massive work.  Fortunately many of these books have been found and we have begun an exhaustive project to uncover those anomalous references.  Many of these references present a broader knowledge of Bible characters and events.  Many add to the already overwhelming evidence of ancient technology contained in the Authorized King James Bible.  Many of the books were eliminated by the church leaders due to glaring and embarrassing contradictions of the manmade doctrine forced upon the faithful by the church leadership.  Though some 600 books have been rumored to be the original number less than half are known and fewer are accessible.   
huxley (m)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #2 on: June 17, 2008, 04:49 PM »

Are you really saying that a material inspired by god could have been lost?  What sort of god is this?
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #3 on: June 18, 2008, 10:52 AM »

@Huxley
If you read the post well you would discover that a lot of the books are not actually lost, they were just not included in the bible in the first instance and there were a lot of motives other than spiritual for them not being included. A good number of these books are actually in the vatican, hidden in their underground archives. A lot of them are highly spiritual and powerful, some are extremely very revealing about the true Nature of God, but then some people decided to momnpolize this knowledge
MC Usman (m)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #4 on: June 18, 2008, 10:54 AM »

Quote from: KunleOshob on June 18, 2008, 10:52 AM
@Huxley
 but then some people decided to momnpolize this knowledge

But why  Huh  Huh  Huh
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #5 on: June 18, 2008, 12:20 PM »

Quote from: MC Usman on June 18, 2008, 10:54 AM
But why Huh Huh Huh
The reason is very simple "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER" Man as always wanted to dominate his environment and other men around him. The people / sects monopolizing this knowledge have used it to develop themselves spiritually at the detriment of others. You would be shocked how many so called cults and sects use this "lost" books to develop themselves spiritually.
~Lady~ (f)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #6 on: June 18, 2008, 01:11 PM »

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The reason is very simple "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER" Man as always wanted to dominate his environment and other men around him. The people / sects monopolizing this knowledge have used it to develop themselves spiritually at the detriment of others. You would be shocked how many so called cults and sects use this "lost" books to develop themselves spiritually.

LOLOL, there is always a conspiracy huh?

Why don't you give us a listing of these books, that were in existence that are now hidden. Surely since you hold the knowledge you can be able to prove it right?

Let us know if they are of the Old Testament or the New Testament.

Infact give us a detailed view of them.
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #7 on: June 18, 2008, 01:29 PM »

@lady
If you read your bible well you would have come across several books that are refered to yet are not found there, Let me mention a few, the book of enoch( the bible tells us that enoch walked with God) he was very close to God waht happened to the book he wrote?? Other books are : land of Eden, book of jasher, book of Melchizedek e.t.c in the new tstment times we have books like The Acts of Andrew,
The Acts of John 
The Acts of Paul,
The Apocalypse of Peter
The Epistle of Barnabas
The Gospel of Hebrews
The Gospel of Matthias
The Gospel of Peter
The Gospel of Thomas
The Shepherd of Hermas
The Teachings of the Apostles 
all this books for whatever reason where omitted from the bible despite the fact that they had spiritual value. for further reading, you can check out m y other post on the subject on this link http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-143191.0.html
~Lady~ (f)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #8 on: June 18, 2008, 03:15 PM »

[quotethe book of enoch( the bible tells us that enoch walked with God) he was very close to God waht happened to the book he wrote?? Other books are : land of Eden, book of jasher, book of Melchizedek]
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Ask the Jews. This should be a part of their history if it's true.

I already know about the history of the books that were not included in the New Testament.
Now my brother have you read these books?
By the way the ones you listed are not the only books that have were left out there were more. Now once again have you read these books?
If you have do you conclude that they are saying anything different from what the ones in the New Testament already say or can you conclude the reason why they were not included?
Some of these works are missing parts in it, could that be the reason why they were not included or could it be that the credibility of these works are in question as in who the actual authors were unlike the ones we have and know who the actual authors are?
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Lost Books Of The Bible
« #9 on: June 18, 2008, 03:22 PM »

@lady
Well the reasons they are not included is not very clear, but one thing is certain the original bible that was compile which evolved in to today's bible was compiled by constantine (a politician) who was also a pagan. He saw allowing christianity as a way of gaining popularity amongst the chrsitians who were growing in number at that time. He also wanted to use the bible as an instrument of control, over the christians so he allowed only books that would not compromise him
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