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RedHotChic (f)
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Euthanasia or mercy killing has been a subject of controversy lately especially from the roman catholic church that seems to be adamant about it. I don't have anything against catholics but i just have one question for them:
Will you still stand by your belief that euthanasia is unGodly if the patient is on life support machines ?
If you find yourself in a situation where you are in a late stage severe cancer that is usually painful even with morphine, will you not accept to be injected to death so you can rest in peace?
@Other christians: Why are the Pentecostals shying away from issues like euthanasia or abortion from the outside world? They usually let the catholics take the bullet.
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~Lady~ (f)
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If you find yourself in a situation where you are in a late stage severe cancer that is usually painful even with morphine, will you not accept to be injected to death so you can rest in peace?
ALL life is sacred, not some, but ALL. And all deserve a chance to live. If there is a way to survive then survive. |
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stephanay (f)
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not when the person you love is in pain everyday for three years and once in a while he/she grabs you with the pai and desperation in his/her eyes and whispers hoarsely Please -let-me-go   |
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imhotep
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The NAZIš also thought the euthanasia was a wonderful idea. . . Prior to and during World War II, the Nazis carried out an involuntary euthanasia program, largely in secret. In 1939, Nazis, in what was code-named Action T4, killed children under three who exhibited mental retardation, physical deformity or other debilitating problems which they considered gave the disabled child "life unworthy of life”. This program was later extended to include older children and adults, Inmates of mental asylums in Germany and Austria would be transported to an intermediate facility, from where they would be retransported to one of six killing centres at Brandenburg near Berlin (January 1940 - September 1940), Grafeneck near Stuttgart (January 1940 - December 1940), Hartheim near Linz in Austria (January 1940 - December 1944), Sonnenstein/Pirna near Dresden (April 1940 - August 1943), Bernburg near Magdeburg (September 1940 - April 1943), Hadamar near Koblenz (January 1941 - August 1941). The T4 program of the Nazis was extended to killing of concentration camp inmates when Philipp Bouhler,the head of the T4 program, allowed Heinrich Himmler to utilize T4 doctors, staff and facilities to kill concentration camp prisoners who were "most seriously ill" in a program designated "14f13". Source => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia |
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~Lady~ (f)
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not when the person you love is in pain everyday for three years and once in a while he/she grabs you with the pai and desperation in his/her eyes and whispers hoarsely
Please -let-me-go
This is why I am not God and will not play God. I don't want to see them suffer, but it is not my will, but the will of the Lord that matters. God's will be done. ALL life, not some, but ALL life is sacred. |
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RedHotChic (f)
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This is why I am not God and will not play God. I don't want to see them suffer, but it is not my will, but the will of the Lord that matters.
God's will be done.
ALL life, not some, but ALL life is sacred. What if they are on life support machines or artificial hearts? Will it be morally wrong to pull the plug on that machine? |
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Gamine (f)
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Why pull the plug.
There is a possibility of a revival.
why Kill
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CH3COO (m)
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Death with honor is better than life with dishonor. I would much rather die with dignity than live like a vegetable.
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imhotep
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Death with honor is better than life with dishonor. I would much rather die with dignity than live like a vegetable.
So the NAZI's thought when they murdered many sick, old or mentally retarded people in their attempt to create PURE RACE. |
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CH3COO (m)
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Don't you think you're misinterpreting my post by a landslide. fucking annoying when that happens.
What does the damn Nazi have to do with my little phrase there. Actually, I would like a link suggesting that the Nazis murdered those people for these reaons; rather than your pure speculation. The Nazis were heinous amoral murderers that needed no such excuse for their nauseating actions.
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imhotep
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Don't you think you're misinterpreting my post by a landslide. fucking annoying when that happens.
What does the damn Nazi have to do with my little phrase there. Actually, I would like a link suggesting that the Nazis murdered those people for these reaons; rather than your pure speculation. The Nazis were heinous amoral murderers that needed no such excuse for their nauseating actions.
Try reading the long Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia from which I got this => The NAZIš also thought the euthanasia was a wonderful idea. . .
Prior to and during World War II, the Nazis carried out an involuntary euthanasia program, largely in secret. In 1939, Nazis, in what was code-named Action T4, killed children under three who exhibited mental retardation, physical deformity or other debilitating problems which they considered gave the disabled child "life unworthy of life”. This program was later extended to include older children and adults, Inmates of mental asylums in Germany and Austria would be transported to an intermediate facility, from where they would be retransported to one of six killing centres at Brandenburg near Berlin (January 1940 - September 1940), Grafeneck near Stuttgart (January 1940 - December 1940), Hartheim near Linz in Austria (January 1940 - December 1944), Sonnenstein/Pirna near Dresden (April 1940 - August 1943), Bernburg near Magdeburg (September 1940 - April 1943), Hadamar near Koblenz (January 1941 - August 1941).
The T4 program of the Nazis was extended to killing of concentration camp inmates when Philipp Bouhler,the head of the T4 program, allowed Heinrich Himmler to utilize T4 doctors, staff and facilities to kill concentration camp prisoners who were "most seriously ill" in a program designated "14f13".
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CH3COO (m)
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Involuntary euthanasia program. That's obviously illegal and is again a sign of the ill-practiced cruelty the Nazis are well known for. In regards to my first post, I meant to say that I would rather die of natural consequences, than be forced to live by means of some machinery that turns me into a veggie.
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huxley (m)
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Logical fallacy after logical fallacy:
The Nazi also wanted to make trains run on time, to build great infrastructure projects such as roads, dams, agro-industrial complexes, etc.
Does it mean that these ideas are necessarily bad because the Nazis once had these self-same ideas.
Every idea should be evaluated on its merit not on whether so-and-so share the idea.
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CH3COO (m)
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Logical fallacies . . . .lol . . . more like factual statements. No one's denying that the Nazis had other ideas. Please correct your train of thought.
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imhotep
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Logical fallacy after logical fallacy:
The Nazi also wanted to make trains run on time, to build great infrastructure projects such as roads, dams, agro-industrial complexes, etc.
They also developed jackets for fighter pilots who might be shot down in frozen waters -> by freezing many human 'lab rats' to death in the process of testing the effectiveness of the jackets Does it mean that these ideas are necessarily bad because the Nazis once had these self-same ideas.
You can say this because none of your relatives were murdered by them. Every idea should be evaluated on its merit not on whether so-and-so share the idea.
Yes, like killing all the mentally retarded -> for they know not what they do!!! |
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imhotep
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Involuntary euthanasia program. That's obviously illegal and is again a sign of the ill-practiced cruelty the Nazis are known for.
But it was still euthanasia. A mentally retarded person, for instance, would not be conscious of the fact that his doctor is making plans to kill him. In regards to my first post, I meant to say that I would rather die of natural consequences, than be forced to live by means of some machinery that turns me into a veggie.
I understand. But humans, being what we are, tend to stretch thing beyond reasonable limits. |
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huxley (m)
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They also developed jackets for fighter pilots who might be shot down in frozen waters -> by freezing many human 'lab rats' to death in the process of testing the effectiveness of the jackets
You can say this because none of your relatives were murdered by them.
Yes, like killing all the mentally retarded -> for they know not what they do!!!
Should trains be made to run on time? Or no, no, no. That was a Nazi idea and objective. |
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CH3COO (m)
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But it was still euthanasia. A mentally retarded person, for instance, would not be conscious of the fact that his doctor is making plans to kill him.
I understand. But humans, being what we are, tend to stretch thing beyond reasonable limits.
A form of euthanasia I don't support. Yes the mentally retarded person would be unconscious to sound deciion-making. I don't have a position on euthanasia because it is just too complex, but I do know that I would not want my life stretched beyond rational limits just because some "doctor" wants to do all he can to save my life. |
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Gamine (f)
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i wonder what honour has to do with this
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imhotep
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Should trains be made to run on time?
To transport jews to concentration camps so that they can be murdered??? Or no, no, no. That was a Nazi idea and objective.
The British developed fast trains, so did the Americans, and Chinese. We are not impressed by the venal Nazis. |
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huxley (m)
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The British developed fast trains, so did the Americans, and Chinese. We are not impressed by the venal Nazis.
Oh my dear. The British, Americans and Chinese have done a naughty act as they have implemented a Nazi idea. I must not use a British train again, oh my dear. |
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CH3COO (m)
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i wonder what honour has to do with this
Honor has everything to do with this. It is a concept I don't expect you to understand. It eludes the practices of most Nigerians. |
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imhotep
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A form of euthanasia I don't support. Yes the mentally retarded person would be unconscious to sound deciion-making.
OK. This is one issue that proponents of euthanasia must address. Jesus himself said: Matthew 25 : 42-43 => 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ I don't have a position on euthanasia because it is just too complex, but I do know that I would not want my life stretched beyond rational limits just because some "doctor" wants to do all he can to save my life.
Once again, I understand YOUR OPINION. |
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imhotep
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Oh my dear. The British, Americans and Chinese have done a naughty act as they have implemented a Nazi idea. I must not use a British train again, oh my dear.
Why not attempt to ressurect Nazi ideologies at your place of work and see how long you will last. |
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Gamine (f)
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To kill or not to kill.
The only honorable deed will be, not to kill.
There is always a Chance that person will live a normal life!
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huxley (m)
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Matthew 25 : 42-43 =>
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit
Can a god become sick? |
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CH3COO (m)
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To kill or not to kill.
The only honorable deed will be, not to kill.
There is always a Chance that person will live a normal life!
normal life? being revived after being left brain-dead? talk sense abeg. persin wey no sabi feed hinsef let alone talk. got tubes shoved down your nose, your mouth, your anus, u can't move any part of your body. just a complete waste. abeg gamine. |
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imhotep
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Can a god become sick?
Yes, when He chooses to unite Himself with mortal men. |
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CH3COO (m)
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OK. This is one issue that proponents of euthanasia must address. Jesus himself said:
Matthew 25 : 42-43 =>
42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
Once again, I understand YOUR OPINION.
Thanks for understanding MY OPINION. What is yours? Forcing the dead to live amongst the living? |
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huxley (m)
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Yes, when He chooses to unite Himself with mortal men.
That explains why he was euthanased.  |
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imhotep
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That explains why he was euthanased. And why the crazy Nazi's were defeated. Such a civilization will not be allowed to subsist. |
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huxley (m)
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And why the crazy Nazi's were defeated. Such a civilization will not be allowed to subsist.
If euthanasia was good enough for JC, why is it not good for mere mortals? |
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