MASSOB Wants a Biafra Breakaway. Reality or Mirage?

larger 20, your post is way too vague. can you be a little bit more specific?

what states did the US take over? if what you meant was independence after the revolutionary war, then you're wrong in comparing the two situations.

the colonies fought hard for their independence from the brits. nigeria on the other hand was given independence. it didn't have to fight.

biafra (the ibos) is not under any sovereign authority neither is it subordinate or slave to any nation. it's just a state (or how many ibo states there are) that wants to separate from the rest in the nation (nigerian) and be independent of it due to whatever reasons you guys have : underrepresentation, greed, oil, power, whatever.

something like this happened in the US too. the south wanted to form their own nation and become separate from the nothern states because they wanted to keep black slaves the north already abolished. they fought their civil war (union (north) and confederates (south)). guess who lost?, the south!

my point: you guys can fight ten civil wars if you want just get ready for a defeat in every single one of them. you lost the first time anyways.
the best way to solve your problem or cause (if it's a good one that is) is to appeal to what ever govt. there is in nigeria so you can get the representation you want. if you don't get it, you're not fighting hard just running your mouths like you are now about creating your country.. action speaks louder than voice you know?


you said "in the next couple of years". can you specify how many? an estimate will do.

the colonies fought hard for their independence from the brits.  So is Biafra trying to fight its way from Nigeria

 Wesley wats your point by saying the igbos are trying to keep the oil, its ours not Nigeria's , its for Ndi Igbo, basically in our land.


i wasnt talking about the south , i was talking about the civil war, i was talking about our break away from England

i am not on any side but just clarifying points,

i always knew you hated Igbos , accept the fact,


I personally don't like the idea of war but if thats what my ancestors always wanted who am i to say no.

we shall see, Yourbas in no way contributed to the sucess of The Nigerian war, all they did was to run their mouth, from the head to the last person.

i meant sucess to Nigerians not Biafrans, which side wouldnt have bias infos, but sincerely there was notin Yorubas did

i read books

you know what, am older than this bull crap, Personally i view your point as one from a racist or discriminator, The igbos wouldnt survive with braggats like you, I told you i wouldnt support War, why would i, my mom is a Yoruba woman , i don't think i would want anything to happen to the Yorubas , All i personally want is better representation of the Igbos, when last have we had a president from South East, if i am correct only Nnamdi somethin. Which basically was in 1960, Its past 45yrs nothin to show for it that we are still with the Damn Country called Nigeria.

Wats all these talk ganiyu is saying about the south south. that is y we don't suseed in our aims! how will the yoruba and hausa respect us and be in unity with us when we are divided against ourselves. See outright discrimination in your post. How did we betray you people? why can't you come and lead the way for us 2 fight 4 our oil? is it that easy? Fine u "ndiigbo" or whatever u call urselves may not recognize us. fine by me! who wants 2b one of you anyway? it is a lost cause u all r fighting

@ Bibi..

God Bless You.. for your observations..

Most of the people clamouring in the posts I've read so far base their arguments on sentiment rather than the hard cold facts.. And that's sad..

None of them face the fact that a UNITED IBO LAND can accomplish much more than all this bickering..

If anyone in the last couple of years [I hear things have changed in some places recently..] were to travel through the east, they'D all bear witness to the phemomenon of "wonderful houses/ crap roads" that seemed to dot the eastern land scape.. Where is the spirit of co-operation and self-development??.. I can recall several instances where it made more sense to travel through the Benin-Warri-Port Harcourt route, rather than travelling though Onitsha-Owerri-Aba when trying to access the Akwa-Ibom- Cross River states..

The issue of Senate leadership was another case in quote... most of the travails of the different leaders of the senate at the various times were brought upon by no other group than themselves.. It almost became comical.. To the extent that a minister was sacrificed [Prof. Fabian Osuji - erstwhile Minister of Education] to suit the whims and caprices of the powers that be.. For a minister to come out openly and make allegations and yet for no one to believe him.. A whole personality such as a minister.. for a portfolio no less than education..

I guess the rest should be left for thot.. 

@drbigdaddyg, your argument is definitely on the height of tribalism and mediocrity. Filled with hearsay without facts. I challenge you, bring out the facts and lets talk about it.

OK...

Let's discuss your points... 
I have lived in Nigeria until quite recently, so I am in a position to either confirm or refute ur allegations..


1. Who told you Igbo Language is not attempted being erased from Nigerian major languages? If you still doubt, you can ask someone who is current.

Sorry to burst your bubble bro.. but your information is HIGHLY faulty.. Ibo is still one of the major tribes in Nigeria, and the language is internationally recognised.. unless you've been reading the wrong books.. If u can recall, it is a language spoken in one of the major regions of Nigeria.. [you can check: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ni.html or http://www.motherlandnigeria.com/contents.html]

2. can you tell me why refinery is taken to the North when it is drilled in the south/eastern states, or is it a private company? Why is their constant power supply in Northern areas whereas, south/east have little or none? Can you give me the estimate of ratio of private-owned companies in the north to the government-owned there to justify your evidences?

On the issue of the refinery... this has been a much flogged issue in the past.. there have been arguments for and against the siting of the refinery in Kaduna.. I don't say I agree with all of them.. but it is a much discussed past issue.. let me re-cap a few points for your enlightenment..

For:
- National security [in case nigeria were to be attacked, for not all of the refineries being located in a single place where they can all be simultaneously destroyed..
- For facilitation of distribution of refined products [easier to transport from that location to the rest of the north than from the south [hope you haven't forgotten that the north is still part of Nigeria.]

Against:
- Cost & Logistics.. as in it's less expensive to keep all refinery activities in one location rather than transporting vast quantities of crude oil to that region of the country for refinement..
- Environmental issues.. dealing with the impact of such crude transport on the environment..

etc, etc..

On the issue of power supply and availablility..
Who told you that they have constant power supply in the north?? Where did u hear that falacy from??.. I have travelled different regions in the north [Kaduna state, Plateau state, Bauchi state,etc..].. And even the FCT Abuja [which has the about the best power supply in the northern region doesn't enjoy unlimited power supply.. maybe only Aso Rock..

Most of the rural areas [and by rural I don't mean the hinterland but local goverment headquarters] aren't even connected to the national grid.. some do rely on generator banks to supply electricity and this is only when the funds permit for fueling maintenance.. I hope things have changed from this situation in recent times.. but this is an "eye-witness account"..

About the ratio of private to government owned industries/companies in the north as compared to the east??..  Since when has private enterprise become an indice for marginalization??.. I am not an expert in business/industry, but I am aware that the east has a lot of private enterpise.. with groups as big as the IBETO group... [a group as large in sphere of operations as the Dangote  or Nasko group].. then again, I guess it's all tied to your operating environment..

3. In the area of school fees, you have proven being a novice in the area. Otherwise, you would have come to understand that the state carries out instruction from the federal government. The fees are claimed by them (federal govt.) to be used to restructure our schools (who doesn't know the truth?) just as tax are claimed for reconstruction of our roads.

In this instance, I must confess that you are the novice.. Since when has the Federal government dictated to states their educational policy??.. And how does the Federal Government claim these so-called fees??.. is that by giving states their budgetary allowances??.. c'mon man.. if u want to argue, at least get ur facts right.. State educational institutions fall squarely under state purview.. Federal educational institutions fall under federal purview.. when States get their budgetary allocation they manage their resources according to their estimated budget.. There is no where that states collect school fees and hand-over to the Federal government.. whether a state chooses to charge their indigines school fees or not are the purview of the State in question.. It is not Federal policy.. And lest u choose to ignore it, the South/East still leads the North in terms of education... Just check the recent releases from WAEC/NECO/JAMB..
The issue of roads draw similar parallels... So I won't waste grammar here..

4. Then, in the area of eating money for projects by easterners, can you justify yourselves? can you tell me why we have not been able to bring Babangida to justice? what of Abubakar that stole what other presidents could not steal, just in few months of his tenure? If this had been done by an easterner or southerner, North would have crucified the person. This is to prove marginalization.

Another case of confusion of issues..

On the one hand we have issues of capital projects not executed by their contractors [and a bulk of these contractors in the Eastern part of Nigeria are indigines, not people from other parts of Nigeria].. On the other hand, we have the issue of past Presidents of Nigeria.. Are the two issues the same thing??.. No... this is clearly a case of comparing apples with pineapples.. or pawpaws rather..

We can all bear witness to the Ngige/Ubah situation, and all know the issues involved, and how it played out.. how Ubah wanted Ngige to sign over the States coffers under the guise of "Irrevocable Standing Orders" made on the State Government Account, as "settlement" for getting him elected into power.. [Godfatherism at it's quintessimal Nigerian best.. ].. And we can all bear witness to the attendant confusion and commotion that happened as a result of that incident..

With regards to the issues of the Presidents Nigeria has had in the past, I sincerely pray that the east can give us a person who we can all support in entirety with fullness of heart.. I really hope for one of our Presidents in recent times to come from that part of the country.. It's long about time.. but if I must be sincere.. I haven't seen good material in recent times, though we do have some emerging hopefuls amongst the current Governors of states in the eastern region... We pray that the trend will change..

In conclusion..

A little bit less emotionalism, more detachment, and bit more research would lead to you presenting a more informed article/post for public consumption..

I must be inclined to agree with Bibi in this case.. your post did incline on the side of mediocrity..

My two kobo...   

@ Cim Jor..., I just glanced through your reply where initially, you claimed to be a judge. Do you know what? I went round it and when there wasn't  any lapse by the North, I had to go through your profiles and tracks and finded out you are from the North. Who will expect a fair judgment from you knowing your background? C'mon, you can only fool the fools.
I am not even going into further arguments because such time will be better spent in other areas in nairaland. The only advice Iam leaving with you and Joftech your cohort, is to take more time, go into your tribe and see how you people manage the  power in the country. If no spade is called spade, I'll then give you this prophesy>>> Biafra is at the door.

<editor says: this is drbigdaddy's way of saying "I've lost the argument">

drbigdaddy,
there's no need answering anybody's questions because this thread is all about point of view. my answers and your answers to the same question will obviously be different but that doesn't mean one person is wrong and the other right. it's all how you look at it. it's only going to lead into an argument. it's ironic because the argument already started.

but i'll answer your questions anyway even though you're not going to agree with them.. . .okay

it's erased from nigerian recognized languages in what sense? did the yoruba and hausa ban it from being spoken?
ibo is one of the three recognized ethnic groups no doubt but your arguement that their language is being erased don't make any sense.

are ibos tied up to a tree and forced to speak yoruba and hausa? NO! what ever point you're trying to make is the ibo's fault.
if you teach your kids not to speak ibo and they grow up not knowing it, you can't blame it on us! if you guys aren't going to take any actions to preserve your culture like yorubas do then it's who's fault?

ibo is widely spoken in ibo states and that applies to other ethnicities too. don't expect your language's influence to be substantial in other majorly yoruba state like lagos or majorly hausa state like Abuja.

you can volunteer to translate for google in ibo if you want international recognition. yorubas and hausas did that and they got what they wanted.nothing's stoping you. if you don't take actions things can't work your way and if things don't work your way, don't blame it on us!. capische?




do you expect yoruba's and hausas to come to your region and build you industries? NO!
you can help yourself and help others help you in  countless of ways.  what stops you from building a major industry in the eastern region? instead of moving to the west and north where these things are you could decide to stay in the east and help build yours or even ask others to help. you have oil in your state. that's a great advantage but how well do you use this advantage? think of how the other states form their own industries and learn from them (the only thing is that you guys are too proud and arrogant to look up to these states for help instead you criticize and fight to separate)
there are cities in the east with major industries don't tell me there are none. how about your oil industies you're trying to keep to yourself? selfish aims and goals won't take you anywhere. you guys have to be smart and learn how to do things wisely.
i know you guys think business/money but be wise!

by major contribution to nigerian economy do you mean you contributed more than others did?
 well you're wrong if you think that. (all ibos think like that) but it won't take you nowhere. you have to accept the fact that the yorubas and hausa did something too
you can't be thinking "let's form biafra and see if they can live without us"  well you'll form it but the opposite will be happening.


where do you get this from? citing your source would be helpful.
private schools everywhere pay school fees and public schools everywhere don't!

see, the problem is, you can't rely on some ibo newspapers and books. they tell you lies to build up hate for the yoruba and hausas in you. you have to look at things from different points of view. i'm tired of ibos telling me
"my ibo daddy told me that the yorubas didn't do anything in the civil war"
"i read that the hausas are using our money to build their schools"

all that is bias information! of course you don't expect people who wants to separate from the rest of the nation to say nice things about them. they have to find something to say to you so you can agree with them.

by the way if the ibos take the school fees, why would they give it to the north? did the northerners come in the night to steal it from the school account? or did the ibos directly give them to the northerners?
not only ibos pay school fees for your info. i attended school in lagos before and trust me i paid a lot for it. the money is going to the school not the nation. it's a private thing that has nothing to do with any interstate thing except if you're talking about public schools then i don't know what you guys are thinking to be collecting school fees from students in public schools. it's supposed to be free! if you do then it's wrong why don't you just make all your schools private instead of collecting money from the students in the first place?

again, that info is not true. you heard if from ibos lying to you so you can hate hausas!



i know graduates from the north who are unemployed. my aunt is one. she went to a northern school and she's still looking for a job. so i don't get that it's a necessity for you to get job if your northern theory you have to back up your ideas and facts with evidence.

probably your schools aren't as standard as northern schools? so companies tend to employ students from accredited/prestigious colleges.
one advice for you is to follow what the north and west are doing and build more schools this time make them strong. there's no hurt in trying to put these people with "educational degrees" in as lecturers or teachers. then the school get attention adn it's graduates are recognized.

wait a minute, where? you mean the northerners favor their northern graduates over eastern graduates? pssshhh. duh! what do you expect. if a yoruba and ibo come to you for employment and they have the same stats honestly who would you employ? the ibo fo course if you're ibo. so if you meant Abuja employing hausas instead of ibos then the ibos should apply to a job in some ibo state and they'll definitely get employed. this is the case even in the US! if someone from yale applies to a job where someone from let's say Umich applies to the havard graduate will get accepted even if the Umich graduate is smarter.
also, Umich will accept more people from michigan to it's school than people from other states. that's just the way it works. you can't complain about that.  the schools in other states to will favor instaters  than out of state students.
i bet the ibos won't like to employ hausas or yorubas either!not with all these things you're saying about us


to sum up my excessively long post  :  goodluck with biafra. i hope it makes you guys happy! (when you guys create that nation what makes you think the ibos aren't going to form factions? it's probably going to be ndi ibos against nda ibos or whatever you guys are. then you are going to divide the nation again and the cycle goes on....forever.... )

my longest post ever! 

   Sorry dear Cimonjorr (Hope ok?), I never meant  spelling that your precious name wrong ().
About the the finded or found whatever, please, let me express my disappointment in the way you acted (very childish). In one of my posts in this forum, I expressed my dislike for people who use blackmail as a weapon. We were discussing "MASSOB WANTS A BREAkAWAY. REALITY OR MIRAGE" and not the "use of English". If that had been the case, I would have followed it that way. Ok?
I wouldn't want to go into argument like I said before during the previous reply,lets just keep our minds to ourselves.
Let me let you know this: sometimes, I play ignorance till you force me to show that I like competitions.
Take care CIMONJORR