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Big B1 (m)
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Without the US, the UN is nothing but a toothless organ. It is largely funded by the Americans so what are you talking about? So, because of this assumption all other countries should just lay on the floor and allow US to step all over their face? My man, if this is you recommendation, then I think it will be right to replace UN with US; and we shall all witness what will happen to the world. UN represents world unity; all it takes to empower this organization is by following the same rules, regardless of who you are or where you come from or how big is your contribution. I hate to admit to you that UN is struggling today because of an obvious lack of respect United States continues to exhibit towards them. United States as a super power should be smart enough to recognise the negative effect they brought to UN by disregarding the objection of Iraq war. I truly think this is the main beef around the world. For example, Russia is completely determined to veto anything that involves United States and I see more countries following the same path. Therefore, indirectly it isn't about UN, but about seeing the down fall of US. And believe it or not United States also clearly recognizes this motion and this is why "CHANGE IN USA" is extremely necessary. Because it might get worst before it gets better!
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texazzpete (m)
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@Big B1 you Said And I think Russia (just like others) is sick and tired of US and UK running the show and making unnecessary and erroneous calls that are severely affect the rest of the world.
so what, in your opinion, are the neccessary and correct calls to be made to solve the Mugabe issue?
And can you show how sanctions against Mugabe himself and his cronies will 'severely affect the rest of the world'?
please answer the above question.
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lucabrasi (m)
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@davidlan that is precisely why i said irrespective of china's politic leanings, the most important thing at this moment is not that they stood up for mugabe but that they were the voice of reason and the balance in a world where the president of the police country and super super power is a man of less than average i.q its not about mugabe and his allies/kitchen cabinet or about tsvangirai and his elder brother gordon brown and co,but about the main owners of the country i.e the zimbabweans, and they really can't run away from dialogue and power sharing if they want the killings and unrest to stop,lets forget about electoral malpractise,rigging,ego trip from both candidates and their supporters and what not now and make safety of the citizens,hunger eradication,health,economic stability e.t.c the main priority now and
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texazzpete (m)
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Also, considering the vitriol you guys poured on the US and UK for using the millitary option against Iraq (instead of diplomacy and the UN), i'm surprised at the hypocrisy in calling them names in their non-millitary endeavours.
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debosky (m)
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Its really sad that countries like South Africa continue to pander to the whims of this tyrant of a man. Unfortunately African leaders will NOT step up to the plate and do what is necessary, because they also do not want to be disturbed when engaged in tyrant activities in their home countries. Look the other way in Mugabe's case, and others will look the other way in your case.
Mugabe is ruining the country, and some people are celebrating failed sanctions?
What voice of reason do China and Russia bring in this situation except to sell their arms? Are they persuading Mugabe to discuss with the opposition? Are they telling him to stop distributing food aid based on ZANU-PF? The failure of sanctions merely serves to strengthen Mugabe's hand - he feels he can now continue the wanton tyranny without anyone interfering. Sad sad day for the poor Zimbabweans
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Big B1 (m)
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@Big B1 you Said And I think Russia (just like others) is sick and tired of US and UK running the show and making unnecessary and erroneous calls that are severely affecting the rest of the world.
so what, in your opinion, are the necessary and correct calls to be made to solve the Mugabe issue? First, without any question, I may be wrong and please, do not think I'm here trying to support or justify Mugabe's tyrannic actions. But I think what is going on here has nothing to do with Mugabe, it has to do with sending a profound message that the world is not made up of just UK and US. There are other major players all around the world; any action that is not approved by all these players will not be endorsed by UN. UN may be useless, but their message is simple and clear: If any action is to be taken against Mugabe, it must be done jointly by all the players.
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lucabrasi (m)
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First, without any question, I may be wrong and please, do not think I'm here trying to support or justify Mugabe's tyrannic actions. But I think what is going on here has nothing to do with Mugabe, it has to do with sending a profound message that the world is not made up of just UK and US. There are other major players all around the world; any action that is not approved by all these players will not be endorsed by UN.
UN may be useless, but their message is simple and clear: If any action is to be taken against Mugabe, it must be done jointly by all the players.
EXACTLY!!!
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debosky (m)
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What silly profound message? The same profound message that people can continue to die in Darfur and Sudan, simply because China will get oil from there and supply arms to keep killing people there?
The only message here is that while countries in the West sometimes act out of altruistic motives, the Russians and Chinese will never do that - they will only support something that directly benefits them.
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Big B1 (m)
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Sad sad day for the poor Zimbabweans It is sad, but not the end of the world. I'm pretty sure that sooner or later, a unified solution to disable Mugabe will be implemented.
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Big B1 (m)
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The only message here is that while countries in the West sometimes act out of altruistic motives, the Russians and Chinese will never do that - they will only support something that directly benefits them. My man, you have just introduced the "Mighty United States of America" to all us.
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Big B1 (m)
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China, Russia and others are only following the same strategy United States has effectively used for many years.
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texazzpete (m)
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Bigb1, so the people of Zimbabwe can go hang as long as a 'message' is sent out to the US, right?
Ditto the people being raped and killed in darfur. As long as your message is being sent out by China, no sanctions against Sudan, no possibility of large scale intervention, no nothing.
Nice. Remember to enjoy your meal tonight. after all, the suffering is remote from you.
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debosky (m)
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This is why much of the political discourse here is highly unpalatable - concern is focused more on 'making points' than actually solving the situation on the ground - Will China and Russia care if more people die? Of course not - as long as arms sales continue and they can continue to get copper and the like easily from Zimbabwe.
Africans are the main cause of this nonsense - they welcomed the man to the AU conference, still pander to his whims because they do not want themselves to be consumed as well. So much for being your brother's keeper.
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landis (m)
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US/UK are cowards; they want to reduce death-toll of their people.
Only a fool will fail to see their tactics and strategies.
1. They start with mild-sanctions: to deceive others that its really harmless
2. They go to arms-embargo: so that you can't update your armoury
3. They go for financial embargo: so you don't have access to your money or be able to pay other countries to supply you arms This also have effect of reducing your army to hungry-folks.
4. They bully others to accept their ways.Once you are fully decapitated, which can take years.
5. They finally call you BAD-NAME with their PRESS and come in to finish-up what is already a deeply weak country.
Above is their style simply because they know SANCTION never remove any leader. It never but they use that to hide the real objective.
Least will all forget, just 10years ago, MUGABE was made KNIGHT OF BRITISH EMPIRE by Queen for his contribution to UK. Since he is no longer contributing, time to let him go. And where UK go, US goes. Case closed.
Thank you Russian, Thank you China. But I know UK/US will stir up another tactics.
Time to support Mbeki, Mugabe, oppositions and Zim people to find solution, lasting solution to their differences.
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debosky (m)
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You never cease to amaze me - so their aim is to 'finish up' a weak Zimbabwe? An army that has never fought any war of note except for killing civillians?
Keep supporting Mugabe; I hope for your sake that you do not experience the horrific existence the ordinary Zimbabweans are forced to endure daily because of one man's foolishness.
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davidylan (m)
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US/UK are cowards; they want to reduce death-toll of their people.
Despite this "fact" there are more queues at US/UK embassies than anywhere else in the world. How many people are queueing for Zimbabwean visas? Time to support Mbeki, Mugabe, oppositions and Zim people to find solution, lasting solution to their differences.
Oya tell us, what is Mbeki's position?
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Big B1 (m)
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Bigb1, so the people of Zimbabwe can go hang as long as a 'message' is sent out to the US, right?
Ditto the people being raped and killed in darfur. As long as your message is being sent out by China, no sanctions against Sudan, no possibility of large scale intervention, no nothing.
Nice. Remember to enjoy your meal tonight. after all, the suffering is remote from you. You missed the point. And it is sad that I also see the same mentality that allowed Nigeria as a nation to turn into what it is today. Nobody is willing to take time to discover a long term solution that will benefit everybody. Do you really think that UK and US are truly doing this to rescue the Zimbabweans? My man, this is nothing but a stage/ competition of muscle flexing. These folks can careless what Mugabe does to his people.
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davidylan (m)
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Nobody is willing to take time to discover a long term solution that will benefit everybody.
Do you really think that UK and US are truly doing this to rescue the Zimbabweans? My man, this is nothing but a stage/ competition of muscle flexing.
Ok remove the US/UK from the equation, what is YOUR own longterm solution to this crisis? It is always easy to blame.
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McKren (m)
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I personally don't understand how in the whole of Zimbabwean Army their is no faction tired of Mugabe and his antics.
This is one of those few times you feel good being Nigerian because am not sure anybody can hold Nigeria hostage for 28years.
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Big B1 (m)
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Ok remove the US/UK from the equation, what is YOUR own longterm solution to this crisis? It is always easy to blame. Longterm Solution:The solution is simple: 1000 heads are much better than just 2. The solution or strategy to effectively disable Mugabe should be implemented jointly, while the UN remains the referee (and not US or UK). You can not be competing in a game and be the referee of the same game at the same time. (this is what UK or US mostly tries to do, and I think the whole world is sick and tired of it). You got it?
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davidylan (m)
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Longterm Solution: The solution is simple: 1000 heads are much better than just 2. The solution or strategy to effectively disable Mugabe should be implemented jointly, while the UN remains the referee (and not US or UK). You can not be competing in a game and be the referee of the same game at the same time. (this is what UK or US mostly tries to do, and I think the whole world is sick and tired of it).
You got it?
What does this solve? You have not given any solution different from what the US and UK initially recommended before the charade of the last run-off elections. Mbeki was selected as mediator. What's new here? How does bringing 1000 heads together solve the problem of Mugabe ruining his country for his own greed?
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Afam (m)
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I personally don't understand how in the whole of Zimbabwean Army their is no faction tired of Mugabe and his antics.
This is one of those few times you feel good being Nigerian because am not sure anybody can hold Nigeria hostage for 28years.
Hostage ke? Na US abi na UK press dey feed the world this one? It seems the West is already succeeding with demonizing Mugabe the way they did to Saddam. Let us hope that it would not be too late before we realize that the US and UK are waging a selfish war yet again.
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McKren (m)
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Afam lets be honest Is it the immagination of western media that Robert Mugabe has been Zimbabwean leader for 28years?  Is it the immagination of western media that as of this day the 14/07/2008 that 1 Nigerian Naira exchanges for 1.00 NGN = 158,748,534.27 ZWD Is it the immagination of western media that there is 85% unemployment and 4million percent inflation. The Zimbabwean army is full of fools
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Afam (m)
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@Mckren,
I am being honest, as always.
Ghaddafi has been in power since 1969 and Libya is not boiling so the issue of 28 years in power being the problem is based on a faulty foundation.
It is normal for any nation to go through what Zimbabwe is going through when the likes of US and UK do all they can to wreck the country.
The army in Zimbabwe may simply know why there is a conspiracy against Zimbabwe and have chosen to stick with the leader rather than allow someone being sponsored and supported by the West to become the president.
Anyone who runs to a foreign embassy in his own country does not deserve to lead his country simple. The opposition leader should simply kiss the presidency good bye for life.
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McKren (m)
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I guess Morgan Tsvangarai should have aquired amunition and fought back against the State who soughtt to kill him rather than protect him. By so doing millions of Zimababweans will go down.
What a great characteristic of a true leader.
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debosky (m)
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. . . . . then Mugabe would have even more excuses to call him a 'stooge' of the west and claim they are supplying him with arms - killing more innocent Zimbabweans and causing general havoc. I guess if you don't kill and maim like Mugabe's goons do, you do not 'deserve' to be president.
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Afam (m)
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If you do not believe in anything you could die for then you are already dead. As some of you try to justify a presidential candidate running to a foreign embassy I hope you realize that if he really had supporters nothing would happen to him.
Any leader that has the support of the majority cannot be pushed around.
Ngige was stripped of his police protection and until he left office ordinary people of Anambra swore to protect him and protect him they did. This is what you get from a leader that has real supporters not the type of support the US, UK and Australia seem to be providing to the opposition leader.
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McKren (m)
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Ngige was slapped and kidnapped by Chuma Nzeribe before he went to aquire his own security.
Even though Ngige was trying to run a populist Government , he was not secured by ordinary Anambrarians, he went to aquire and arm bakassi boys as last minute resort.
That is a situation that should not be encouraged in any sane society as it breeds lawlessness.
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Afam (m)
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You are getting closer the main thing. Ngige was slapped and kidnapped when the security that ought to protect him was compromised. What did he do after recovering? Run to Enugu or Bayelsa? No, he got his own security and the people of Anambra supported him all the way.
Mugabe fought for the liberation of present day Zimbabwe, he did not achieve independence from the colonial masters by running to Kenya or Nigeria.
Fact is - the opposition leader has no business wanting to rule a country he cannot die for, simple. Mugabe put his life on the line for the people of Zimbabwe and a lot of them have not forgotten that.
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McKren (m)
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This mentality is exactly what is breeding so much rebels across Africa We are not interested in discouraging our leaders from pushing our people to the wall, we rather call people coward for not fighting back when our leaders refuse to do the right thing. What is point liberating your people from one slavery and then lead them into another slavery? 
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