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Queenisha
Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« on: July 18, 2008, 07:02 PM »

Do Yorubas discriminate against other Yorubas with large tribal marks on their faces?
Do those with tribal marks feel a sort of complex for having them ?
would you turn down a prospective mate or suitor because of tribal marks?
Honest answers please.
The Sly
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #1 on: July 18, 2008, 07:05 PM »

Quote from: Queenisha on July 18, 2008, 07:02 PM
would you turn down a prospective mate or suitor because of tribal marks?
Honest answers please.
Yup!
Queenisha
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #2 on: July 18, 2008, 07:06 PM »

Really?
But it's not her fault na
The Sly
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #3 on: July 18, 2008, 07:10 PM »

Quote from: Queenisha on July 18, 2008, 07:06 PM
Really?
But it's not her fault na
Sure its not her fault but i don't see myself taking home someone with a tribal mark!
Its a turn off for me. . . . .A big turn off!!  Sad
Queenisha
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #4 on: July 18, 2008, 07:47 PM »

Quote from: The Sly on July 18, 2008, 07:10 PM
Sure its not her fault but i don't see myself taking home someone with a tribal mark!
Its a turn off for me. . . . .A big turn off!! Sad

me too.
I don't think I would have
but then again, I never really had the opportunity present itself so it's hard to say if I would have turned down a loving,loaded guy with markings.
motun_rayo (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #5 on: July 18, 2008, 07:52 PM »

Quote from: The Sly on July 18, 2008, 07:05 PM
Yup!
Same here. . there was this lady in my church and he told me that her kids use to ask her if lions scatched her face?
The Sly
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #6 on: July 18, 2008, 08:01 PM »

Quote from: motun_rayo on July 18, 2008, 07:52 PM
Same here. . there was this lady in my church and he told me that her kids use to ask her if lions scatched her face?


                     Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
LASIEFAIRE (m)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #7 on: July 18, 2008, 08:04 PM »

Quote from: Queenisha on July 18, 2008, 07:47 PM
me too.
I don't think I would have
but then again, I never really had the opportunity present itself so it's hard to say if I would have turned down a loving,loaded guy with markings.

Money reverses decisions, 
masawa
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #8 on: July 19, 2008, 01:45 AM »

africans (nigerians in particular) are the first to reject their own culture, it's a shame, black people used to dislike their own features like big lips until the oyinbo girls start to make their lips bigger, we need oyinbo validation to appreciate our own values too bad, most africans are too busy to pray arabs and white people gods, bravo!!we can be proud of ouselves, Don't get me wrong,I'm part nigerian ,my mom is nigerian ,
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #9 on: July 19, 2008, 01:46 AM »

Do people discriminate against those with Ichi marks?
Ijiji1 (m)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #10 on: July 19, 2008, 01:49 AM »

Wait till TOH and her people see this thread Shocked Shocked. Maybe Donzman will see this thread and come back Grin
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #11 on: July 19, 2008, 01:51 AM »

Quote from: Ijiji1 on July 19, 2008, 01:49 AM
Wait till TOH and her people see this thread Shocked Shocked.

I work alone.  Cool
Ijiji1 (m)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #12 on: July 19, 2008, 01:55 AM »

Quote from: KarmaMod on July 19, 2008, 01:51 AM
I work alone. Cool


Oh my freaking God Shocked Shocked Shocked you are TOH. osisi must hear this Shocked
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #13 on: July 19, 2008, 02:20 AM »

she's aware. olodo
Ruby_Pearl (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #14 on: July 19, 2008, 03:43 AM »

Ewwww, am so glad my mom did not think too much of tribal marks when I was born.

She has two cute tiny horizontal marks on both of her cheeks.

She's still a beauty though Kiss

But ewwwwww, large tribal marks, not my thing
shuppie (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #15 on: July 19, 2008, 02:20 PM »

i know of some yoruba(from ijebu) friends of mine that discriminate against other yorubas with very pronounced tribal marks,  there is one of my friends in particular that uses certain words for such people,  at times it can be fun teasing them,  Cheesy Cheesy
BangBang! (m)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #16 on: July 19, 2008, 02:21 PM »

u mean the type on adedibu's face?!
tpia
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #17 on: July 19, 2008, 02:28 PM »

no one has to keep their tribal marks in this day and age.

Plastic surgery can remove them.

Arnold1 (m)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #18 on: July 20, 2008, 07:21 PM »

Quote from: Queenisha on July 18, 2008, 07:47 PM

Do Yorubas discriminate against other Yorubas with large tribal marks on their faces?
Do those with tribal marks feel a sort of complex for having them ?
would you turn down a prospective mate or suitor because of tribal marks?
Honest answers please.

You are an idiot for bringing up this tribal mark issue with yorubas again. This issue was discussed a long time
ago on a previous thread, but being the useless tribalist that you are, you wouldn't let it rest.



In Igbo land, do you discriminate between those that are Osu's and those that aren't ?
HCH3COO
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #19 on: July 20, 2008, 07:23 PM »

Quote from: Arnold1 on July 20, 2008, 07:21 PM
You are an idiot for bringing up this tribal mark issue with yorubas again. This issue was discussed a long time
ago on a previous thread, but being the useless tribalist that you are, you wouldn't let it rest.



In Igbo land, do you discriminate between those that are Osu's and those that aren't ?
LoL
Arnold1 (m)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #20 on: July 20, 2008, 07:26 PM »

The Osu Caste System in Igboland: Discrimination Based on Descent


http://uk.geocities.com/internationaldalitsolidarity/cerd/dikeosu2002.html


The Osu, by definition, is a people sacrificed to the gods in Igbo community. And they assist the high priest of the traditional religion to serve the deities or the gods in their shrine. It is the belief of many Igbo traditionalists that the deities, which were (and are still) perceived in some quarters as being very powerful, would wreck havoc in the society, if they are not appeased.

In some special circumstances, those who hold the traditional beliefs of the Igbos could transform a Diala who committed certain atrocities against the land, into an Osu. This process involved intricate rituals (offering of libations and sacrificing animals to the earth goddess). Some of the ancestors of the present-day Osu people inherited their dehumanizing social status this way.

Because of many oral interpretations of the construct, the Osu has various definitions. It has been defined as a ‘cult slave,’ a living sacrifice,’ an ‘untouchable,’ ‘outcast,’ ‘owner’s cult,’ ‘a slave of the deity,’ and a ‘sacred and holy being.’ 3 These names mean the same: it is an abomination in the Igbo society for the Diala to marry Osu.


All human beings are created equal, but human experiences are heterogeneous. Some people have had it rough all their life on earth, while others do not have a lot to complain about. Naturally, life has the same meaning for everyone, but the Osu caste system in Igboland seems to have changed the meaning of life for a group of people branded Osu


Osu are people our igbo ancestors used to do sacrifies to the gods for the difficulties they faced then, which includes disease, lack of rain, poor farm produce, children and babies dieing etc.

The gods then asked for human sacrifies to help with these issues. When a sacrifice is offered to gods it is damned evil to touch those things.



Even in the bible when Abraham offer sacrifice to God, nobody eats the sacrify, it is burn to ashes.

The stigma that Osu have had today this that they were used for gods sacrifice and dimmed to the igbos as outcast.

To my understanding, most of then are very wealthy and brilliant people, their girls are very beautiful.

I myself will NEVER marry osu, not because I don't like them. It is because of the stigma the igbos has on them. For example, they do not involve in active igbo events. No one will elect an osu person as a governor, local chairmen, Eze, Chief, etc.

If an Osu people tries to speak on behalf of the igbo he/she is immediately discredited, because of this stigma. I still have great ambitions for myself and would not want something to hold me back.

If you are not igbo you can never understand. This thing will NEVER go away and I feel very sorry for them. We call it Ome na ala (The law of our land) We cannot leave ome na ala and start to do ome na elu (Not the law of the land)

When you go to village and see how these people live, you would feel sorry from them. They do not trade because nobody would buy from them. In school nobody plays with osu children etc, it is really terrible.

If you want to leave in diaspora all your life, them marrying osu will not really affect you. But if you plan sometime in the future to return back to Nigeria, hmmm,  you really have to be very careful. Remember we do not only mary for ourselfs we marry for children as well, you do not want to give our children a bad start in life.

I am sorry I have to say this, but this is the way it is and I did not make it so. Remember that osu are human being like us too.
HCH3COO
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #21 on: July 20, 2008, 07:36 PM »

Aww this is really sad.  Cry  Cry


Quote from: Arnold1 on July 20, 2008, 07:26 PM
The Osu Caste System in Igboland: Discrimination Based on Descent


http://uk.geocities.com/internationaldalitsolidarity/cerd/dikeosu2002.html


The Osu, by definition, is a people sacrificed to the gods in Igbo community. And they assist the high priest of the traditional religion to serve the deities or the gods in their shrine. It is the belief of many Igbo traditionalists that the deities, which were (and are still) perceived in some quarters as being very powerful, would wreck havoc in the society, if they are not appeased.

In some special circumstances, those who hold the traditional beliefs of the Igbos could transform a Diala who committed certain atrocities against the land, into an Osu. This process involved intricate rituals (offering of libations and sacrificing animals to the earth goddess). Some of the ancestors of the present-day Osu people inherited their dehumanizing social status this way.

Because of many oral interpretations of the construct, the Osu has various definitions. It has been defined as a ‘cult slave,’ a living sacrifice,’ an ‘untouchable,’ ‘outcast,’ ‘owner’s cult,’ ‘a slave of the deity,’ and a ‘sacred and holy being.’ 3 These names mean the same: it is an abomination in the Igbo society for the Diala to marry Osu.


All human beings are created equal, but human experiences are heterogeneous. Some people have had it rough all their life on earth, while others do not have a lot to complain about. Naturally, life has the same meaning for everyone, but the Osu caste system in Igboland seems to have changed the meaning of life for a group of people branded Osu


Osu are people our igbo ancestors used to do sacrifies to the gods for the difficulties they faced then, which includes disease, lack of rain, poor farm produce, children and babies dieing etc.

The gods then asked for human sacrifies to help with these issues. When a sacrifice is offered to gods it is damned evil to touch those things.



Even in the bible when Abraham offer sacrifice to God, nobody eats the sacrify, it is burn to ashes.

The stigma that Osu have had today this that they were used for gods sacrifice and dimmed to the igbos as outcast.

To my understanding, most of then are very wealthy and brilliant people, their girls are very beautiful.

I myself will NEVER marry osu, not because I don't like them. It is because of the stigma the igbos has on them. For example, they do not involve in active igbo events. No one will elect an osu person as a governor, local chairmen, Eze, Chief, etc.

If an Osu people tries to speak on behalf of the igbo he/she is immediately discredited, because of this stigma. I still have great ambitions for myself and would not want something to hold me back.

If you are not igbo you can never understand. This thing will NEVER go away and I feel very sorry for them. We call it Ome na ala (The law of our land) We cannot leave ome na ala and start to do ome na elu (Not the law of the land)

When you go to village and see how these people live, you would feel sorry from them. They do not trade because nobody would buy from them. In school nobody plays with osu children etc, it is really terrible.

If you want to leave in diaspora all your life, them marrying osu will not really affect you. But if you plan sometime in the future to return back to Nigeria, hmmm, you really have to be very careful. Remember we do not only mary for ourselfs we marry for children as well, you do not want to give our children a bad start in life.

I am sorry I have to say this, but this is the way it is and I did not make it so. Remember that osu are human being like us too.

ibobabe (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #22 on: July 20, 2008, 08:17 PM »

my mum has little ones,wev seen em soo long that we r used to it but she hates em still

huge turn off for me,i really don't look forward to turnin someone down jus because of them marks,
shuppie (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #23 on: July 20, 2008, 10:55 PM »

this osu caste issue is really sad o,  Sad

@post, no tribal marks,  Tongue
Queenisha
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #24 on: July 20, 2008, 11:01 PM »

Quote from: BangBang! on July 19, 2008, 02:21 PM
u mean the type on adedibu's face?!

Post a picture.
Are they very pronounced?
Queenisha
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #25 on: July 20, 2008, 11:04 PM »

Quote from: tpia on July 19, 2008, 02:28 PM
no one has to keep their tribal marks in this day and age.

Plastic surgery can remove them.



Not all true.
Plastic surgery can only minimize the deep grooves.They don't take 'em off completely.
so what's your take,would you turn down,a beautiful,well brought up girl that wuld make a good wife material because she has tribal marks marks on her face?
Queenisha
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #26 on: July 20, 2008, 11:06 PM »

Quote from: shuppie on July 19, 2008, 02:20 PM
i know of some yoruba(from ijebu) friends of mine that discriminate against other yorubas with very pronounced tribal marks,  there is one of my friends in particular that uses certain words for such people,  at times it can be fun teasing them,  Cheesy Cheesy

Please tell us more.
What are these names that these friends of yours call those with tribal marks?
Queenisha
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #27 on: July 20, 2008, 11:17 PM »

Quote
Do people discriminate against those with Ichi marks?
 
 


 Shocked Shocked Shocked
Ichi marks were reserved for older men titled men (and women) and it was actually a thing of honor in places were it was done.(That's what I think)
The individuals that had it were usually in their 70's or so and frankly I cannot even remember seeing one just like you probably have never seen one.
Can you answer my question.
This is an educational thread into the minds of individuals.
Would you marry a handsome, sexy, nice mannered,well educated 6' 4"respectable gentleman from Ekiti with a good credit,good breathe and great job with large tribal marks Wink
ibkaye
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #28 on: July 21, 2008, 12:12 AM »

not particularly fond of them  Lips sealed
Texcee (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #29 on: July 21, 2008, 01:09 AM »

Quote from: Arnold1 on July 20, 2008, 07:26 PM
The Osu Caste System in Igboland: Discrimination Based on Descent


http://uk.geocities.com/internationaldalitsolidarity/cerd/dikeosu2002.html


The Osu, by definition, is a people sacrificed to the gods in Igbo community. And they assist the high priest of the traditional religion to serve the deities or the gods in their shrine. It is the belief of many Igbo traditionalists that the deities, which were (and are still) perceived in some quarters as being very powerful, would wreck havoc in the society, if they are not appeased.

In some special circumstances, those who hold the traditional beliefs of the Igbos could transform a Diala who committed certain atrocities against the land, into an Osu. This process involved intricate rituals (offering of libations and sacrificing animals to the earth goddess). Some of the ancestors of the present-day Osu people inherited their dehumanizing social status this way.

Because of many oral interpretations of the construct, the Osu has various definitions. It has been defined as a ‘cult slave,’ a living sacrifice,’ an ‘untouchable,’ ‘outcast,’ ‘owner’s cult,’ ‘a slave of the deity,’ and a ‘sacred and holy being.’ 3 These names mean the same: it is an abomination in the Igbo society for the Diala to marry Osu.


All human beings are created equal, but human experiences are heterogeneous. Some people have had it rough all their life on earth, while others do not have a lot to complain about. Naturally, life has the same meaning for everyone, but the Osu caste system in Igboland seems to have changed the meaning of life for a group of people branded Osu


Osu are people our igbo ancestors used to do sacrifies to the gods for the difficulties they faced then, which includes disease, lack of rain, poor farm produce, children and babies dieing etc.

The gods then asked for human sacrifies to help with these issues. When a sacrifice is offered to gods it is damned evil to touch those things.



Even in the bible when Abraham offer sacrifice to God, nobody eats the sacrify, it is burn to ashes.

The stigma that Osu have had today this that they were used for gods sacrifice and dimmed to the igbos as outcast.

To my understanding, most of then are very wealthy and brilliant people, their girls are very beautiful.

I myself will NEVER marry osu, not because I don't like them. It is because of the stigma the igbos has on them. For example, they do not involve in active igbo events. No one will elect an osu person as a governor, local chairmen, Eze, Chief, etc.

If an Osu people tries to speak on behalf of the igbo he/she is immediately discredited, because of this stigma. I still have great ambitions for myself and would not want something to hold me back.

If you are not igbo you can never understand. This thing will NEVER go away and I feel very sorry for them. We call it Ome na ala (The law of our land) We cannot leave ome na ala and start to do ome na elu (Not the law of the land)

When you go to village and see how these people live, you would feel sorry from them. They do not trade because nobody would buy from them. In school nobody plays with osu children etc, it is really terrible.

If you want to leave in diaspora all your life, them marrying osu will not really affect you. But if you plan sometime in the future to return back to Nigeria, hmmm,  you really have to be very careful. Remember we do not only mary for ourselfs we marry for children as well, you do not want to give our children a bad start in life.

I am sorry I have to say this, but this is the way it is and I did not make it so. Remember that osu are human being like us too.


It really is an outrage that at this day in age, people are being discriminated against because their fore fathers were sacrificed
to the Gods (an Osu).

When are we going to do away with all these old barbaric facist ideals ?

How can Osu practice be acceptable in 2008 ? Why deprive a group of people of their dignity and pride because their
forefathers were supposedly sacrificed to the Gods ?

How long is this type of tradition going to persist
?



Quote from: shuppie on July 20, 2008, 10:55 PM
this osu caste issue is really sad o,  Sad


It really is sad to say the least.
Gamine (f)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #30 on: July 21, 2008, 01:31 AM »

one of my cousins was given a huge mark on her left cheek.

i still don't know why, because this happened when i went to boarding school.

She had been living with us w/out a mark.

my grannie said smthing about her being too naughty Undecided

Anyways the effect right now will be extremely minute

because this girl has grown up to be a real beauty.

if she wants to surgically graft it, she can but it may make no difference.


i actually know one white pesin wey dey obsessed with tribal marks
Undecided Undecided
Arnold1 (m)
Re: Effects Of Large Tribal Marks On Faces
« #31 on: July 21, 2008, 01:43 AM »

More on the Osu caste system in Igboland



One of the factors that enabled early Christian missionaries to establish a foothold quickly in the Igbo heartland was their promise to new converts that the new order would guarantee equality of rights and opportunities to everyone.

In most Igbo communities, the osu  were the first group of converts to flock en masse into new churches and schools that mushroomed everywhere.

Disillusionment soon dampened their enthusiasm when it gradually became clear that even the Whiteman’s church was powerless to stop discriminatory treatment meted out to the minority osu population

Osu pursued Western education in large numbers and many of them joined the new Christian mission as priests and school teachers. In spite of these accomplishments, the osu’s right to equal treatment remained unfulfilled because neither the Christian missionaries nor the sketchy colonial administration in place at the time could muster what it would take to dictate a needed change of attitude at the grassroots level.

Before too long, there was mass conversion to Christianity and this reduced osu converts to a minority, just like in the society at large. The majority, in spite of their acquiescence to widespread inculcation of new faith and Western education, never saw the urgency in undertaking a major transformation in Igbo sociocultural practices, particularly as regards discriminatory treatment that the osu  continued to receive.
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