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redsun (m)
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At the time of Biafra war,most of us were not born or too young to know what actually happened,but from independent news sources,it is estimated that over a million ibos perished in that war as a result of nigerian government and their british cohorts actions.Nobody seems to remember it,but it was just yesterday Why can't somebody like Gowon,the kingpin of that war and still alive today be charged for act of genocide?What goes for genocide in hague today is way too insignificant compared to what happened in nigerian,biafra war. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLvI4JvT57c&feature=related |
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dblock (m)
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It probably was the only way the war could have been carried out though.
It's written in the Geneva convention that such antics as a means of warfare is a war crime. However I think the Genocide resulted because the break-way nation "Biafra" was going against the rest of the country, when the rest of the country (The Government was what controlled the economy of the region) as well as the fact that Biafra didn't have a typically structured Military.
Due to this lots of Civilians on the Biafran side died.
And of course the aggravations in the North
However almost half as many Nigerian (Ex Biafra of course) men Died.
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udezue (m)
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The Biafra war was a war of deliberate genocide against Igbos in particular, but also Efiks, Ibibios, Annangs. Asaba, Ikot Ekpene, Owerri, suffered casualties and rape and even our former President OBJ was responsible for the atrocities in Owerri. It is unfortunate that men like Gowon, Obasanjo, Danjuma, etc are still walking around free. ONE NIGERIA MY FOOT.
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udezue (m)
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It probably was the only way the war could have been carried out though.
It's written in the Geneva convention that such antics as a means of warfare is a war crime. However I think the Genocide resulted because the break-way nation "Biafra" was going against the rest of the country, when the rest of the country (The Government was what controlled the economy of the region) as well as the fact that Biafra didn't have a typically structured Military.
Due to this lots of Civilians on the Biafran side died.
And of course the aggravations in the North
However almost half as many Nigerian (Ex Biafra of course) men Died.
Bruh, Civilian and military deaths are very different so even if same number of Biafran and Nigerian soldiers died it still does not erase the fact that it was a war of genocide. Nigeria was going against Biafra and Biafra had to fight back. Don't forget that the genocides started in the North before the war started so Nigeria committed genocide before and during the war. |
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redsun (m)
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What nigeria did to the ibos was not different from the german holocuust,mass and deliberate extermination of children,adults,even animals for fun.And not even acknowledge of it has been proclaim till date,talk less of apology and compensations,all the investments,properties of the ibos before the war in places like port-harcourt,in the west,northern states, just went with the wind.Exactly what the germans did to the Jews,the Namibians and the gypsies.
The foundations of which nigeria is built is very weak and hardly can any stability reign.Until we begin to understand and address the root causes of the problems,we can never solve it,there have to be accountability, fairness,justice and positive needs for collaborations.why do i need u? Ask the question yourself.
Things fall apart,the center can not hold,mere anarchy is loosen upon the earth.Until there is fairness and equality in the world,peace will remain an illusion.Every body wants something.
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texazzpete (m)
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The Civil war ended many many years ago. Why must we look back to this and bring back divisions? While Igbo leaders are clinging to the 'no victor, no vanquished' line, you 'youngsters' (relatively speaking) are drawing us back into distrust and disunity. The Biafra war was a war of deliberate genocide against Igbos in particular, but also Efiks, Ibibios, Annangs. Asaba, Ikot Ekpene, Owerri, suffered casualties and rape and even our former President OBJ was responsible for the atrocities in Owerri. It is unfortunate that men like Gowon, Obasanjo, Danjuma, etc are still walking around free. ONE NIGERIA MY FOOT.
I'm sorry, but Nigeria's unity does not rest upon your vengeance being sated. |
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ow11 (m)
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Genocide? Maybe. . . I think the Igbo leaders agreed that all was well and wanted to come back to Nigeria. If a case of genocide is to be brought up, I think the ones in our recent past where Northern marauders go on a killing spree should be looked into rather than face a war that evidences to convict anyone on war crimes are limited.
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texazzpete (m)
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lol
I have friends devastated simply because they were not able to marry the ladies of their choice. Why? Their daddies wanted only Igbo husbands.
Similarly, i've got a close friend who has had to ditch his long term girlfriend who is Yoruba. His parents insist he must marry a girl from Anambra state. The poor fellow was heartbroken.
So much for Nigerian unity. so many of our Eastern brethren whine when they aren't being favoured, yet are content to exercise the tribal bias unmercifully.
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redsun (m)
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The past is a reflection of the present and the present,a window into the future,if you don't understand the past,the present will remain a mystery,just like what is happening today,people are delusional,that is not reality.
It is like a loose foundation of a house,of course it is going to crumble,just like today nigeria,the whole thing is repeating itself.same bullshit all over again,same lack of common sense,probably with some common sense and wits,there could be some amendment,but none,same primitive live and let die instincts.Early man.
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mikeansy
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nigerians make una move on igbos don move on @texapette u go fit swear say your people no get prejudice against any other tribe for naija?  ?? Every tribe 4 naija get prejudice against every other tribe for naija. |
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redsun (m)
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Imagine what they are talking about,marriage,this is beyond marriage,for reason sake,marry from the moon,who cares.Marriage is a union like any other union,it doesn't have to be if it doesn't have to be,
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texazzpete (m)
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I have no prejudice against anyone. My point is there's hypocrisy in alleging tribal discrimination when your tribe is known for the same discrimination.
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mikeansy
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I have no prejudice against anyone. My point is there's hypocrisy in alleging tribal discrimination when your tribe is known for the same discrimination.
Interesting. You dey defend you not the whole Yoruba land So why not treat the Igbo individual individually, than generalise. If you tell me say nobody for the whole Yoruba land get prejudice against people of other tribe, then i go crown u the greatest Nairaland liar. Becos I know how many yoruba babes wey no gree date me sake of say I be omo ibo. And I know say people of my own tribe dey guilty of the same thing. So every Nigerian is guilty of it |
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bilymuse
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Every Nigeria is a tribalist, from Yaradua down to the common man in the village; and the 3 major tribes dislike each other. the evidence is obvious, even a blind man,
l believe genocide was committed during the biafra war. The ruthless massacre of ibos all over the north perpetrated by the northern regional government is clearly a war crime; comparable to what happen in Rwanda. Irrespective of the time frame, the northern leaders are guilty of war crime.
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udezue (m)
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The Civil war ended many many years ago.
Why must we look back to this and bring back divisions?
While Igbo leaders are clinging to the 'no victor, no vanquished' line, you 'youngsters' (relatively speaking) are drawing us back into distrust and disunity.
I'm sorry, but Nigeria's unity does not rest upon your vengeance being sated.
Let me tell you something. In any modern society perpetrators of crimes must be brought to justice. You see u NIGERIANS ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITes AND YES You ARE TRUELY A BIGOT. Since the crime that was committed was not against your own people it is easy to just to shrug it off and expect the region that suffered to shut up and sweep issues under the rug. You say it ended many years ago, look here woman or man go get u some calculator and tell me what 2008-1966 = ? The men who committed the crimes are still living and are not even expressing any feeling of remorse but I guess Igbos and East are the sacrificial lambs for 1 Nigeria so no one should answer to the war crimes committed. We the younger generations are too damn enlightened to believe in that "no victor no vanquished" because in a any war there is a victor and a vanquished so quit all that rhetorical bullcrap. No victor no vanquished yet u stole houses from the vanquished under the guise of abandoned property, gave the vanquished only 20 pounds regardless of how much they had and many men and women committed suicide over that. Justice is not about vengeance. Maybe your father was in the army or some relatives were so of course to you it is vengeance. The Igbos, Efiks, Ibibios, etc who experienced the war are still well and alive today my friend. All that marriage story of urs have nothing to do with the issue we are talking about so please take to another forum where it matters. Who gives a crap about marriage between different groups. My cousin is married to a Yoruba man. I have Igbo cousins with Hausa blood, Efik/Ibibio, Itsekiri, Yoruba, etc AND WHAT? UNTIL WE REALIZE THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AS A NATION WE MUST LOOK BACK AT OUR PAST AND LEARN TO NEVER MAKE SUCH MISTAKES WE ARE SIMPLY WASTING OUR TIME. EVEN THE CHINESE ARE STILL PRESSING JAPAN TO APOLOGIZE FOR IT WAR CRIMES AGAINST THEM AND ACTUALLY THE JAPANESE I BELIEVE ALREADY OFFERED AN APOLOGY OR ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THEIR WRONGS. THE JEWS MADE SURE THE MEN WHO SLAUGHTERED THEM WERE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. THE PEOPLE RWANDA AND SOUTH AFRICA AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT IT AND THE ONES THAT DID WRONG APOLOGIZED BUT NO NOT IN NIGERIA. WE LOVE TO SHOVE THINGS UNDER THE RUG WHEN IT CONCERNS ANOTHER ETHNIC GROUP. IS THIS ONE NIGERIA. I DON'T THINK SO. ENOUGH OF THE LIES AND DECEIT. FACE THE PROBLEM LIKE REAL MEN AND WOMEN NOT COWARDS. |
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HCH3COO
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Let me tell you something. In any modern society perpetrators of crimes must be brought to justice. You see u NIGERIANS ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITes AND YES You ARE TRUELY A BIGOT.
you sound like a bitch. |
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udezue (m)
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you sound like a bitch.
I sound like a bitch? Muthafucka You ARE A BITCH NOW SHUT THE FUCK AND DON'T SAY SHIT IF You AINT GOT SHIT TO ARGUE ABOUT. STUPID ASS BITCH. I'M NOT FITNA WASTE MY TIME WITH DUMBFUCKS LIKE YOU WHO AINT GOT NO REASONABLE REBUTTAL AT ALL. IF You CAN REFUTE ANYTHING THAT I AM SAYING THEN BITCH COME ON WITH IT BUT IF NOT BITCH TAKE A STEP BACK OR BETTER FALL BACK. |
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HCH3COO
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I sound like a bitch?
Muthafucka You ARE A BITCH NOW SHUT THE FUCK AND DON'T SAY SHIT IF You AINT GOT SHIT TO ARGUE ABOUT. STUPID ASS BITCH. I'M NOT FITNA WASTE MY TIME WITH DUMBFUCKS LIKE YOU WHO AINT GOT NO REASONABLE REBUTTAL AT ALL. IF You CAN REFUTE ANYTHING THAT I AM SAYING THEN BITCH COME ON WITH IT BUT IF NOT BITCH TAKE A STEP BACK OR BETTER FALL BACK.
pussy  * waits for another episode |
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doyin13 (m)
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It has always been a thing of surprise to me, this selective amnesia on the Biafran war in our country.
Perhaps Gowon's words were soothing after all to all concerned, although the accusations of the likes
of Udueze might tell us otherwise.
We cannot simply let this thing fester without a collective discussion of what occurred during the war.
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presido1 (m)
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The Civil war ended many many years ago.
Why must we look back to this and bring back divisions?
While Igbo leaders are clinging to the 'no victor, no vanquished' line, you 'youngsters' (relatively speaking) are drawing us back into distrust and disunity.
The most fullish sentence i have read in Nairaland so far. The people that aided Hitler in his massacre of the Jews are still being hunted from Chile to Canada and Eastern Europe, yet somebody here is telling me that civil war ended many years ago. |
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texazzpete (m)
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I have no idea why you people imagine i'm Yoruba. Does the enmity for the other two major tribes in Nigeria run that deep?
I am from Edo State. And i've heard all the stories of Igbo brutality and ruthlessness in the unwarranted invasion and occupation of the Midwest. Why you bloody pack of hypocrites have not cried for Ojukwu et al to answer for this boggles my mind.
There are still bullet holes in my Grandfather's house in Benin. A neighbour told me over 10 years ago how Biafran troops killed her infant son. And the story of how the Hausa community in the Lagos street area of Benin were targeted for savage reprisal is now the stuff of legend.
The decision was taken to starve the resistant Igbo states into submission. That was unfortunate and terrible, but it was done as a tool of warfare. Comparing this to Hitler's massacre of minority civillians (Jews, Gypsies etc) just for 'ethnic cleansing' is disingenous.
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DeepZone
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If that is the case, the hausas should also be made to apologize for Abacha's evil deeds and massacre of the yorubas in the 90's.
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Sky Blue
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Every Nigeria is a tribalist, from Yaradua down to the common man in the village; and the 3 major tribes dislike each other. the evidence is obvious, even a blind man,
l believe genocide was committed during the biafra war. The ruthless massacre of ibos all over the north perpetrated by the northern regional government is clearly a war crime; comparable to what happen in Rwanda. Irrespective of the time frame, the northern leaders are guilty of war crime.
Please speak for yourself, if you let the issue of tribe triumph over common sense or unity then that is you. Don't let whatever you may feel about that to lead you to paint everyone in thesame brush as some means of justification for such views. |
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Planner (m)
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@texazzpete (m) The decision was taken to starve the resistant Igbo states into submission. That was unfortunate and terrible, but it was done as a tool of warfare. Comparing this to Hitler's massacre of minority civillians (Jews, Gypsies etc) just for 'ethnic cleansing' is disingenous. So it is okay to kill innocent people including burying babies alive (as happened in biafran civil war) as far as war is being fought? Your post smack of somebody who is bloodthirsty. |
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texazzpete (m)
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@texazzpete (m)
So it is okay to kill innocent people including burying babies alive (as happened in biafran civil war) as far as war is being fought? Your post smack of somebody who is bloodthirsty.
Perhaps your schoolboy days are long behind you. That may explain the difficulty you have in comprehending simple statements. Where did i say that the starvation tactics used was 'okay'? Did i even talk about killing babies? I sought to create a distinction between an unjust and unfair tool of war and the deliberate and needless killing of minorities and non-combatants whose lives were totally unrelated to the outcome of the battle. All that short paragraph i wrote was to state my opinion that the horrors of the Biafran war are still not comparable to what happened in the Holocaust. Note that that does not mean that it was right or just. Atrocities happened on both sides of the war. The Biafran army itself was not exactly the soul of decency and justice when it found itself playing the role of the occupier in the Midwest. Re-opening wounds that are long healed will cause more division which could lead us down the dark path once again. Sometimes, forgiveness is better than vengeance. |
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texazzpete (m)
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Let me tell you something. In any modern society perpetrators of crimes must be brought to justice. You see u NIGERIANS ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITes AND YES You ARE TRUELY A BIGOT. I had to laugh at the Irony in this statement above. Over 70% of your previous posts show you up as an unrepentant tribalist and bigot. I'm probably the least tribalistic Nigerian in the whole world. I have nothing against anyone of anything. Hell, i haven't even been in the village since i was two, and i speak only English. Where do you get off calling me a bigot? Anyway, can you honestly state for the record that there were no atrocities committed by the Biafran troops in the Midwest? Remember to explain why a region which should have been focused on self-defense set their eyes on the conquest of the Midwest and possibly Lagos? Has Ojukwu accounted for all innocent civillians killed in the needless invasion of this front? |
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Sagamite (m)
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Let me tell you something. In any modern society perpetrators of crimes must be brought to justice. You see u NIGERIANS ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITes AND YES You ARE TRUELY A BIGOT. Since the crime that was committed was not against your own people it is easy to just to shrug it off and expect the region that suffered to shut up and sweep issues under the rug. You say it ended many years ago, look here woman or man go get u some calculator and tell me what 2008-1966 = ? The men who committed the crimes are still living and are not even expressing any feeling of remorse but I guess Igbos and East are the sacrificial lambs for 1 Nigeria so no one should answer to the war crimes committed. We the younger generations are too damn enlightened to believe in that "no victor no vanquished" because in a any war there is a victor and a vanquished so quit all that rhetorical bullcrap. No victor no vanquished yet u stole houses from the vanquished under the guise of abandoned property, gave the vanquished only 20 pounds regardless of how much they had and many men and women committed suicide over that. Justice is not about vengeance. Maybe your father was in the army or some relatives were so of course to you it is vengeance. The Igbos, Efiks, Ibibios, etc who experienced the war are still well and alive today my friend.
All that marriage story of urs have nothing to do with the issue we are talking about so please take to another forum where it matters. Who gives a crap about marriage between different groups. My cousin is married to a Yoruba man. I have Igbo cousins with Hausa blood, Efik/Ibibio, Itsekiri, Yoruba, etc AND WHAT? UNTIL WE REALIZE THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AS A NATION WE MUST LOOK BACK AT OUR PAST AND LEARN TO NEVER MAKE SUCH MISTAKES WE ARE SIMPLY WASTING OUR TIME.
EVEN THE CHINESE ARE STILL PRESSING JAPAN TO APOLOGIZE FOR IT WAR CRIMES AGAINST THEM AND ACTUALLY THE JAPANESE I BELIEVE ALREADY OFFERED AN APOLOGY OR ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THEIR WRONGS. THE JEWS MADE SURE THE MEN WHO SLAUGHTERED THEM WERE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. THE PEOPLE RWANDA AND SOUTH AFRICA AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT IT AND THE ONES THAT DID WRONG APOLOGIZED BUT NO NOT IN NIGERIA. WE LOVE TO SHOVE THINGS UNDER THE RUG WHEN IT CONCERNS ANOTHER ETHNIC GROUP.
IS THIS ONE NIGERIA. I DON'T THINK SO. ENOUGH OF THE LIES AND DECEIT. FACE THE PROBLEM LIKE REAL MEN AND WOMEN NOT COWARDS.
Try and understand the meaning of a word before you use it. Genocide is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.The killings in the war was due to the plan by Ojukwu to breakaway from Nigeria, NOT to exterminate the Ibos. After this breakaway plans was shelved, the killing stopped. If it was a genocide, then obviously it would be much easier to kill those that are defenseless and already given up but that was not what happened. What happened was the killing stopped, in a genocide, the killing would go on when the target is weak.So understand the meaning of words before you use it. Ojukwu would have slaughtered the Efiks, Ibiobios etc if they had not joined him in Biafra as well. Does that make him a genocider or a man with an evil act to achieve his goals? It is part of the evils of war. |
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Sagamite (m)
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Becos I know how many yoruba babes wey no gree date me sake of say I be omo ibo.
Chei!!! She u fit knack sha? If you fit, I go take you go my village and organise Yoruba girls to line up for you to knack as long as you promise say you go perform. But I know say we go have to build a cage fitted with padlocks for the venue as I am sure say the girls go wan run when they see you bring out your thunder. |
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Sagamite (m)
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The most fullish sentence i have read in Nairaland so far. The people that aided Hitler in his massacre of the Jews are still being hunted from Chile to Canada and Eastern Europe, yet somebody here is telling me that civil war ended many years ago.
I think comparing the war killings in the Nigerian Civil War to the extermination of unarmed, undefended and armyless Jews in concentration camps is the most foolish (note the correct spelling) analogy I have seen on Nairaland. |
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