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to all igbo people,
Our greatest problem is that people like texazzpete and sagamite are still prawaling the face of the country; Carrying with them demoic lies and destruction. Until we fish out those people then we will not have rest. Problaby their parents participated in the killing of an estimated 2millions igbo civilians, that is why they are stoutly defending the crime against humanity.
Do not forget that most igbo civilians that fled lagos state during the 60s crises met their waterloo in Benin city, where they were poisoned and hacked to death. the large scale murder did not just happen in the North but in the so-called christian south.
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texazzpete (m)
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to all igbo people,
Our greatest problem is that people like texazzpete and sagamite are still prawaling the face of the country; Carrying with them demoic lies and destruction. Until we fish out those people then we will not have rest. Problaby their parents participated in the killing of an estimated 2millions igbo civilians, that is why they are stoutly defending the crime against humanity.
no. Your greatest problem is cowardly whiners like yourself who constantly invoke the Biafran war as a means to explain your inadequacies. Demonic lies and destruction?! That's irony coming from someone who's urging us all to immerse ourselves once more in the most bloody chapter in Nigerian history. You and your ilk are urging inter-tribal hatred and anger, spreading lies and propaganda to bring about discord and dissent. by all means, exhort your 'brothers' to 'fish out' people like me. I take solace in the fact that there are a myriad of intelligent young Igbo people unaffected by your madness. My sister is happily married to one. My best friend is one.
Do not forget that most igbo civilians that fled lagos state during the 60s crises met their waterloo in Benin city, where they were poisoned and hacked to death. the large scale murder did not just happen in the North but in the so-called christian south.
provide proof of this, please. it's not enough to repeat lies that were handed down to you. You've still done nothing to explain what your army was doing in the Midwest. Even if it's true, are you seriously going to take the people of Benin to task for reprisals against their former occupiers? |
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Udode (f)
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sagamite, u 4 got me? Royal ignorance I guess :-)
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tpia
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It has always been a thing of surprise to me, this selective amnesia on the Biafran war in our country.
Perhaps Gowon's words were soothing after all to all concerned, although the accusations of the likes
of Udueze might tell us otherwise.
We cannot simply let this thing fester without a collective discussion of what occurred during the war.
is there something in particular you want to know about the war? I'm asking because I've heard so much about it even as a kid. It was reported by the western media, countless Nigerian authors wrote about it. Here on nairaland, there's an unending battle over it, Half of a yellow Sun won a prize for it, I've met people whose parents experienced the war, as well as people who were spirited out of Nigeria during the war,etc etc. One of the best books about that period, in my opinion, is Chinua Achebe's Girls of War. I would recommend that book to anyone, any day. There's another one- I cant remember the title now, but it was about Biafran and Nigerian soldiers during the war. They both deal with the effects and the war itself, not the causes or what led to it.Thats a different category. Personally, I dont think anyone can change the past.  I saw pictures of the Biafran war as a child, and I must say, I really cant understand why anyone would want their fellow human being to go through something like that again. Even when discussing the holocaust, the Nazi regime is always specifically mentioned. Nazi Germany is generally differentiated from modern Germany.But the holocaust is in a class of its own, because jews were targetted and killed regardless if it was war or peacetime. What I personally dont understand is why there was a pogrom in the north, and was it planned in advance. Evidence of premeditation. I dont know if the way forward is to go backwards like many advocate here. Are you Igbo, by the way. Nice picture, but I really cant tell. Names dont mean someone is a particular tribe, everytime. |
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Planner (m)
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provide proof of this, please. it's not enough to repeat lies that were handed down to you. You've still done nothing to explain what your army was doing in the Midwest. Even if it's true, are you seriously going to take the people of Benin to task for reprisals against their former occupiers I should provide proof of the masacres? There are various materials written on it. Read Ben Gbulie's "The Fall of Biafra". |
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texazzpete (m)
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I should provide proof of the masacres? There are various materials written on it. Read Ben Gbulie's "The Fall of Biafra".
So your idea of 'proof' is for me to purchase an obscure book and read, abi? Scan the page of interest and post it here. Can't be that hard, can it? |
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Sagamite (m)
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to all igbo people,
Our greatest problem is that people like texazzpete and sagamite are still prawaling the face of the country; Carrying with them demoic lies and destruction. Until we fish out those people then we will not have rest. Problaby their parents participated in the killing of an estimated 2millions igbo civilians, that is why they are stoutly defending the crime against humanity.
Do not forget that most igbo civilians that fled lagos state during the 60s crises met their waterloo in Benin city, where they were poisoned and hacked to death. the large scale murder did not just happen in the North but in the so-called christian south.
What an idiot? Fool, you think people don't have better things to do with their lives than to listen to your lame attempt at being a demagogue. I bet you blame all your failures in life on being igbo instead of the obvious limitations of your brain that inevitably leads to failure, when other igbo's like you are achieving in different spheres without limiting themselves. Yeah, my Uncle actually participated in the killing, no denying it. But as a Yoruba commander of the Biafran army because he was locked up in the East for the 1966 coup and Ojukwu decided to release him from Owerri jail and use his experience in warfare. FOOL! |
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Eziachi
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Tezazzpete,
Yes my friend, the war ended in 1970 we were told, but since then our Nigeria is quite different fro you version of Nigeria. If you think we should all suffer abnesia in Biafra and wipe out the war in our memory,you better watch History channel on satellite TV, as 99% of their programmes are all about what happened beween Germany and the rest of the allied forces and the artrocities of the Nazis. The world will always remind Germans the terrible crimes committed by their fathers whether they like it or not. And I don't see Germans complaining either, they had rather took it on their chin and making sure history never repeat itself.
You can't say the same for rest of Nigerian, who never witness or bear anything from the war. To them it's nothing, you should shut up, move on as they call it. But some of us like myself lost 17 members of my immediate family in one single air raid. They were not combatants, they include my grandparent, sisters, cousins as young as me then.
Because Nigerians bombs/shells any thing that is shining from the sky that resembles zink roof, they bombed open market, they rape so many women even when they said hostility has ended. I had a cousin whose conception was through rape but his mother couldn't afford to abort him because they are staunch catholics. He grew with taunts of being called a bastard by other unwise kids. That is the story of the war and this goes across Biafraland, not a single family is left out. Just ask and they will tell you stories.
Many of you had no idea, so don't tell us when the war ended, we knew when they told us it ended but has it really ended? Which part of Nigeria will you honestly say most Biafrans are really safe as we speak? How many massacres has befall them since they claimed the war has ended?
Let's not kid ourselves, Nigeria as one entity ended the day Nigerians invaded Biafra, but we are just pretending other wise until South-South/Sout East oil everybody is sharing the booty is exhausted. I will be a fool to talk about the way everyday but dare not tell us when it ended, if you think it has ended.
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tpia
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@ Eziachi Many of you had no idea, so don't tell us when the war ended, we knew when they told us it ended but has it really ended? Which part of Nigeria will you honestly say most Biafrans are really safe as we speak? How many massacres has befall them since they claimed the war has ended? in which part of Nigeria are Igbos/Biafrans not safe? Or where is it that they're less safer than other Nigerians, given the state of security in the country? The last time there was a religious disturbance , it was a Yoruba woman who was killed, as far as I know. Please back up your hallucinations assertations with facts here. Is it in Lagos, where they have thriving businesses and have been living for generations before and after the civil war? Like in other parts of the west where you'd be hard put to find a major town without a significant Igbo population? Is that where they're not safe?  Is it in Ibadan that Biafrans arent safe? Has there been another pogrom in the North similar to the one leading to the secession? I think you're imagining a lot of stuff and probably havent even lived in the country for a while. Either that or you must be a militant. You sound like a mercenary too. |
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Quote from: bilymuse on Yesterday at 08:27:55 PM Every Nigeria is a tribalist, from Yaradua down to the common man in the village. Sky blue Please speak for yourself, if you let the issue of tribe triumph over common sense or unity then that is you. Don't let whatever you may feel about that to lead you to paint everyone in thesame brush as some means of justification for such views. Show me one Nigeria you know that is not a tribalist, and l will show you 10 that are tribalist. Over 90% of Nigerians are tribalist. Be it, marriage issues, employment, contracts, government , education, military, police, culture , tribalism will surface. Even the federal government as an institution is tribalistic. there is no nigeria, living in Nigeria, who has never experience tribalism. |
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HCH3COO
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This is almost comparable to black people blaming slavery for their misfortunes . . . . 900 years after.  |
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Planner (m)
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What an idiot? Fool, you think people don't have better things to do with their lives than to listen to your lame attempt at being a demagogue. I bet you blame all your failures in life on being igbo instead of the obvious limitations of your brain that inevitably leads to failure, when other igbo's like you are achieving in different spheres without limiting themselves.
Yeah, my Uncle actually participated in the killing, no denying it. But as a Yoruba commander of the Biafran army because he was locked up in the East for the 1966 coup and Ojukwu decided to release him from Owerri jail and use his experience in warfare.
FOOL! You can call me all the names you want. Thank God you are said you are yoruba. Let me ask you a simple question. Why did Chief Obafemi Awolowo decide to give every igbos 20 pound irrespective of how much they were worth before the civil war? And why did he promulgate the abandoned property law? You know what, other Nigerians were beneficiaries of igbo man's loss of resources immediately after ther civil war, but they are worse for it now. You can continue in denial but only the truth can set you free. Long live the igbo people! |
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Sagamite (m)
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What an idiot?
You can call me all the names you want. Thank God you are said you are yoruba. Let me ask you a simple question. Why did Chief Obafemi Awolowo decide to give every igbos 20 pound irrespective of how much they were worth before the civil war? And why did he promulgate the abandoned property law? You know what, other Nigerians were beneficiaries of igbo man's loss of resources immediately after ther civil war, but they are worse for it now. You can continue in denial but only the truth can set you free. Long live the igbo people!
I think Awo's grave is in a public location. Go to his grave, sit down and ask him your questions. Make sure you don't leave until he answers. OK? |
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Planner (m)
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I think Awo's grave is in a public location.
Go to his grave, sit down and ask him your questions.
Make sure you don't leave until he answers. OK You are one of his descendants. |
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HCH3COO
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I think Awo's grave is in a public location.
Go to his grave, sit down and ask him your questions.
Make sure you don't leave until he answers. OK?
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bilymuse
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Let us bring this issue into perspective and avoid sentimentalism, there are critical questions that requires deep thought and intellectual analysis:
1. The killing of the Ibos in the north by marauding gangs supported by the army and the northern regional government, does this amount to a riot, war crime, or genocide?
2.The starving of Ibos to submission, leading to the death of innocent victims, is it justified?
3. The denial of the ibos their legal properties through the promulgation of abandon properties law?
4. The ill treatment, rape and killings by Ibos of other minority both in midwest and east?
5. The circumstances that lead to the war in the first place?
There are lots of questions but the answers are not easy.
ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF GLORY OF GOD
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HCH3COO
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Let us bring this issue into perspective and avoid sentimentalism, there are critical questions that requires deep thought and intellectual analysis:
1. The killing of the Ibos in the north by marauding gangs supported by the army and the northern regional government, does this amount to a riot, war crime, or genocide?
2.The starving of Ibos to submission, leading to the death of innocent victims, is it justified?
3. The denial of the ibos their legal properties through the promulgation of abandon properties law?
4. The ill treatment, rape and killings by Ibos of other minority both in midwest and east?
5. The circumstances that lead to the war in the first place?
There are lots of questions but the answers are not easy.
ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF GLORY OF GOD
most claims, like this one, require little thought |
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I think Awo's grave is in a public location. Go to his grave, sit down and ask him your questions. Make sure you don't leave until he answers. OK? Double LOL  |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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to all igbo people,
Our greatest problem is that people like texazzpete and sagamite are still prawaling the face of the country; Carrying with them demoic lies and destruction. Until we fish out those people then we will not have rest. Problaby their parents participated in the killing of an estimated 2millions igbo civilians, that is why they are stoutly defending the crime against humanity.
Do not forget that most igbo civilians that fled lagos state during the 60s crises met their waterloo in Benin city, where they were poisoned and hacked to death. the large scale murder did not just happen in the North but in the so-called christian south.
@Planner, Do you have any evidence of this? |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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most claims, like this one, require little thought
@HCH3COO, I've been reading your posts on this issue, and the one above has confirmed to me that you're an absolute FOOL! You obviously cannot distinguish a claim from a fact. It's crassly ignorant morons like you, with zero knowledge of Nigerian history, that are all too willing to display their idiocy! A one-liner poster with no depth, no substance, just emptiness! |
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Ijiji1 (m)
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Do you have any evidence of this? What about the massacre at Asaba, alot of the people killed there were igbo trying to cross the Niger to Onitsha or the killings at river Benue,when the stopped the trains and killed innocent men and women. I was not there to experience this but this were stories my parents who were living and still living in the north told me. |
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HCH3COO
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@HCH3COO,
I've been reading your posts on this issue, and the one above has confirmed to me that you're an absolute FOOL!
You obviously cannot distinguish a claim from a fact. It's crassly ignorant morons like you, with zero knowledge of Nigerian history, that are all too willing to display their idiocy!
A one-liner poster with no depth, no substance, just emptiness!
Oops! She purred like a kitten and uttered my name. Never knew a line of words could get an intellectual(and I use that term loosely) masquerade to bleat like a hungry sheep. What stupid audacity by a ribless looney!! It takes a fool to respond to an alleged fool in a foolish manner . . . hmm, guess that would make YOU a fool as well. Rule #1, never let ad-hominems get the best of your emotions, damn sissy. They don't usually drive home a point; rather, they distract from the topic and focus the attention your stupid ass. Again, congratulations on being a significant distraction and a complete nuisance. so are you still up for the discussion on claims as opposed to facts
how about we discuss it over dinner
looking forward to your response, nigger punk |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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provide proof of this, please. it's not enough to repeat lies that were handed down to you. You've still done nothing to explain what your army was doing in the Midwest. Even if it's true, are you seriously going to take the people of Benin to task for reprisals against their former occupiers?
@texazzpete, For someone who claims to adhere to some level of logic (and I hope justice too), how do you justify reprisals on Igbo civilians fleeing Lagos for the East, for crimes committed by Biafran soldiers? Was the Mid-West occupied by the defenseless civilians fleeing Lagos for safety? The decision was taken to starve the resistant Igbo states into submission. That was unfortunate and terrible, but it was done as a tool of warfare. Comparing this to Hitler's massacre of minority civillians (Jews, Gypsies etc) just for 'ethnic cleansing' is disingenous.
So, it's okay for Igbo civilians to be killed, but not so when Jews and Gypsies are killed? This kind of careless, insensitive comments, are what reinforces ethnic suspicions in Nigeria. The Igbos were massacred in many parts of Nigeria before the Biafran War started. How do you justify this? What led to the large-scale killing of Igbos, and many other ethnic nationalities of the South-East? Why not condemn all killings of civilians, instead of excusing some as "a tool of warfare". What kind of excuse is that? And what's with the comparison with Nazi Germany? To those who felt the pain of war, their sorrow cannot be compared like yam sizes in the market. Hitler's atrocities were evil, just like the genocide in Rwanda, the genocide in Darfur, the failed genocide in Biafra, and the massacres in Sierra Leone, the Congo, Uganda, etc. Why attempt to compare these? Why elevate the Holocaust beyond other evils of war? Why not condemn all the atrocities, and leave it at that? Must you "over analyze" the degree/severity of the killings? What parameters do you base such a macabre comparison on? |
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Oops! She purred like a kitten and uttered my name. Never knew a line of words could get an intellectual(and I use that term loosely) masquerade to bleat like a hungry sheep. What stupid audacity by a ribless looney!! It takes a fool to respond to an alleged fool in a foolish manner . . . hmm, guess that would make YOU a fool as well. Rule #1, never let ad-hominems get the best of your emotions, damn sissy. They don't usually drive home a point; rather, they distract from the topic and focus the attention your stupid ass. Again, congratulations on being a significant distraction and a complete nuisance.
so are you still up for the discussion on claims as opposed to facts
how about we discuss it over dinner
looking forward to your response, nigger punk
Look at this asswipe pretending to be sophisticated. Empty vessels like you need to shut up when adults are speaking. You can go to less serious threads to sputter your incoherent third-rate rants. This section is not for the ill-prepared mind, nor is it for those with zero knowledge of history. You'll do yourself a ton of good, if you go pick up a book and read! Instead of exhibiting unfathomable ignorance on this thread, mkay? Neophyte! |
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HCH3COO
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I knew it wouldn't take you long to Look at this asswipe pretending to be sophisticated.
Empty vessels like you need to shut up when adults are speaking. You can go to less serious threads to sputter your incoherent third-rate rants. This section is not for the ill-prepared mind, nor is it for those with zero knowledge of history. You'll do yourself a ton of good, if you go pick up a book and read! Instead of exhibiting unfathomable ignorance on this thread, mkay? Neophyte!
Very typical of a clueless dolt to relegate posts as insignificant when he doesn't understand very basic English. You haven't the slightest clue how to dialogue like a perspicacious individual, yet here you are "claiming" to be an adult.  What nerve! That you chose to wobble in mudslinging and personal attacks (referring to me as a Neophyte - another daft claim made out of paranoia) shows that you are pretty unstable and prepubescent at best. What you need to do is pick up a book like you suggested, and learn the difference between a juvenile and an adult, then come back like a repentant goat to engage in civil dialogue with me. Filthy animal! |
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magentam (f)
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Hey! Hey!! Hey!!! People! We have had enough of this bulls**t! This forum is already too hot with all these talks of "BIAFRA" which is a part of history that I'll rather not reharsh. Are we moving forward or ten steps backward. Every Nigerian was affected by the BIAFRAN war. So, why crying over spilt milk? The dead have long been buried and have no memory of BIAFRA, so why are some NINIES who weren't even born back then or who were merely children with vague memories of the war trying to "start something". Na who don chop belleful dey dabble into such matters. Food prices is on the high and PHCN dey gbogbo us with never ending power outage and some MONKEYS dey here, dey quarrel over BIAFRA like banana. If BIAFRA is your problem,then please go see a PSYCHIATRIC doctor, you need some mental evaluation. PERIOD!
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Planner (m)
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So, it's okay for Igbo civilians to be killed, but not so when Jews and Gypsies are killed? AS far as texazzpete is concerned it is perfectly okay to kill 2 million igbos people because it is war. No wonder those who escaped lagos massacres never made it to the ease. I think texazzpete and sagamite are worse than Adolf Hitler and should never have born in the first place. |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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I knew it wouldn't take you long to Very typical of a clueless dolt to relegate posts as insignificant when he doesn't understand very basic English. You haven't the slightest clue how to dialogue like a perspicacious individual, yet here you are "claiming" to be an adult. What nerve! That you chose to wobble in mudslinging and personal attacks (referring to me as a Neophyte - another daft claim made out of paranoia) shows that you are pretty unstable and prepubescent at best. What you need to do is pick up a book like you suggested, and learn the difference between a juvenile and an adult, then come back like a repentant goat to engage in civil dialogue with me. Filthy animal! Alright, let's just chill. Don't want to drag this further with you. I had to respond so forcefully because you labeled the facts bilymuse posted as "claims". Anybody with any knowledge of the Nigerian civil war, will never doubt the veracity of bilymuse's points. So, relax. Next time, don't just comment on something you're unsure of; do some research first, or just ask. |
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HCH3COO
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Alright, let's just chill. Don't want to drag this further with you.
I had to respond so forcefully because you labeled the facts bilymuse posted as "claims". Anybody with any knowledge of the Nigerian civil war, will never doubt the veracity of bilymuse's points.
So, relax. Next time, don't just comment on something you're unsure of; do some research first, or just ask.
It's okay bruh. Nothing spoil. Didn't mean to be nutty  . Let's lay the claims and facts issue to rest, for now. |
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doyin13 (m)
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Alright, let's just chill. Don't want to drag this further with you.
I had to respond so forcefully because you labeled the facts bilymuse posted as "claims". Anybody with any knowledge of the Nigerian civil war, will never doubt the veracity of bilymuse's points.
So, relax. Next time, don't just comment on something you're unsure of; do some research first, or just ask.
It's okay bruh. Nothing spoil. Didn't mean to be nutty . Let's lay the claims and facts issue to rest, for now. Civility sucks people. . . . . . . . . .It is a bloody clog in the necessary wheel of evolution. Can we get back to the mud-slinging and sabre-rattling. . . . . . . . . . . |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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Civility sucks people. . . . . . . . . .It is a bloody clog in the necessary wheel of evolution.
Can we get back to the mud-slinging and sabre-rattling. . . . . . . . . . .
doyin, Now we don settle, you don dey vex . How far with you now? |
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texazzpete (m)
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AS far as texazzpete is concerned it is perfectly okay to kill 2 million igbos people because it is war. No wonder those who escaped lagos massacres never made it to the ease. I think texazzpete and sagamite are worse than Adolf Hitler and should never have born in the first place.
Don't be a coward, man! I have asked you for evidence, and all you can do is to repeat the same unproven accusation, right?! Where did i say it was perfectly okay to kill civillians even in wartime? Can you not comprehend simple english? Your troops invaded the midwest for no reason and caused great havoc there. Did your leaders explain the rationale for that? Did they?! Before you start accusing other tribes of killing Igbos in reprisal attacks, kindly fish out the Igbos that carried out the reprisal attacks against the Hausas recently as reprisal for the murder of Igbos in the last northern religious crisis. Then we'll know you're serious. |
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