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tpia
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tpia, take a joke!  It was obvious Queenisha was joking about supplies and spare parts. Its not the first time she has said things like that. it may be a joke to her, but I still have vivid pictures in my mind of starving children dying of malnutrition and dead bodies all over. Yet I'm not even Igbo. Even my friend was a baby during the war and she was potbellied with kwashiorkor and had the thin hair that shows malnutrition. So please excuse me if I don't get the humor.
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Queenisha
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lighten up tilapia! haba 
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Abagworo (m)
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Most often,people tend to tribalise the Biafran war by terming it Igbo war.It was originaly a self defense secession by peoples of the former Eastern region.It became an Igbo war when a lot of other ethnicities(some Igbo groups inclusive) were promised total resource control by the then Government.They were as well fed with the false belief that the Igbos were interested in their oil resources.
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Abagworo (m)
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Most often,people tend to tribalise the Biafran war by terming it Igbo war.It was originaly a self defense secession by peoples of the former Eastern region.It became an Igbo war when a lot of other ethnicities(some Igbo groups inclusive) were promised total resource control by the then Government.They were as well fed with the false belief that the Igbos were interested in their oil resources.
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Abagworo (m)
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Most often,people tend to tribalise the Biafran war by terming it Igbo war.It was originaly a self defense secession by peoples of the former Eastern region.It became an Igbo war when a lot of other ethnicities(some Igbo groups inclusive) were promised total resource control by the then Government.They were as well fed with the false belief that the Igbos were interested in their oil resources.
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Abagworo (m)
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Most often,people tend to tribalise the Biafran war by terming it Igbo war.It was originaly a self defense secession by peoples of the former Eastern region.It became an Igbo war when a lot of other ethnicities(some Igbo groups inclusive) were promised total resource control by the then Government.They were as well fed with the false belief that the Igbos were interested in their oil resources.
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Abagworo (m)
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Most often,people tend to tribalise the Biafran war by terming it Igbo war.It was originaly a self defense secession by peoples of the former Eastern region.It became an Igbo war when a lot of other ethnicities(some Igbo groups inclusive) were promised total resource control by the then Government.They were as well fed with the false belief that the Igbos were interested in their oil resources.
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HCH3COO
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5th entry  does posting from a mobile phone suck that much?
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AshtonJake (m)
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gabrywyl, whatever you do, pleaseeeeee do not go to the 'Is Gabrywyl Mushling's?" thread!!!!!
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Planner (m)
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Chei!!! I didn't know you are a bit smart sha. So it took you just a day to discover this. Are you sure you have not been cheating? You have been secretly eating your nootropic foods to improve your brain power. Smart boy, eat your nuts, dried fruits and oily fish more frequently. OK, Awo is dead and can not answer your questions himself, but their is a horse he once had that drank water from the Ogun river which resulted in the horse's immortality and developing an ability to speak.
The horse roams in the forests between Ikenne and Odogbolu. It answers questions for Awo but for it to answer anyone's question, the person has to first go back to his own village and start his journey to the forest on foot only. Throughout the journey on foot, the person is required to be singing Billy Jean and/or Thiller out loudly for everyone to hear and give N1000 to at least one person every kilometre travelled or else the horse would refuse to talk.
This is your chance to ask your Awo questions, grab it. You are a smart boy. this is a nonsensical statement from a person who claims that genocide did not occur during the biafran war. you said your uncle fought on the biafran side? i think that is the biggest lie any fool can ever tell. My point is since 2million poeple who died is not genocide according to you but mere random case of human right violations then i think your people will be the next target.
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Planner (m)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War You are much more deranged than i thought. Nobody who is worth his salt quotes wikipedia.
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Eziachi
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I had to repeat myself again that what this topic has shown is that Nigeria is a million miles away from being a nation, let alone a united one. Then can anyone tell me how you can make progress with this sort of deep rooted hatred presented as facts. Sagamite was asking me where he called me names when I ask him to tone it down but on the same posting he used words like DIMWIT,IDIOT, BELLIGERENT, FOOL and so many others to make his point. You have to laugh at this things and he lived in England as well and must have noticed that SNP whose only agenda is to take Scotland away from the UK is the party in govt now in Scotland. So can you imagine MASSOB ever to be registered by Nigerian authorities and let alone being allow to win an election? So that is the difference between Nigeria and a civilized society.
As Biafran, looking back, so many mistakes were made during the war, especially our elders allowing Ojukwu to be the head of state but I can understand their reasons. Persons like Okpara, Ibiam or Kogbara would had been an ideal choice while Ojukwu concentrate on the military front. It was obvious that ,any of the semi illiterates like Gowon, OBJ, Adekunle, Murtala, Danjuma, Joe Garba etc were jealous of Ojukwu as a person and will do all they can to bring him down and humiliate him. Afterall he was the son of the richest man in the whole black nations, a first class oxford graduate, it's only reasonable that those stats will illicite jealousy in competitive environment like the army, so the war with Biafran to them became Ojukwu must be stopped war.
And British too won't tolerate an educated, young and rich African who is vocal to succeed, they preffered the illiterates ones they can control, just like they did with Idi Amin but he ended up haunting them and they believed that Emeka will be a torn in their flesh and had to be stopped and his personal appearance doesn't help either, all they were seeing was another Castro in the the British colony or Empire and America bing distracted in Vietnam at the same time. This is my personal observation.
Those that kept saying that Ojukwu led the Biafrans into war are either towing the same line or has blinded minds to the truth. The day Biafra was declared Ojukwu wasn't even there. It was the old EASTERN house of parliament that voted to secede from because Biafran lives are no longer safe anywhere in Nigeria and Ojukwu being the most senior Biafran officer and already governor of the region was naturally asked to head the new nation. Nigerians has no reason to declare a war and start shelling, they could have initiated a talk like in Aburi or they can implement the Aburi accord they signed which Ojukwu kept reminding them till this day.
Seccession in my opinion is not the reason for Nigeria declaring war on Biafra, it's purelly people in the army settling score with Ikemba, afterrall as I had previously mentioned Southern Cameroon seceded from EASTERN Nigeria in 1961 and joined French Cameroon and nobody delared any war them. And in the north too, a part of the old Adamawa emirate seceded and joined Cameroon along with their Hausa/Fulani cousins from Marou and Garou and Ngounderi too and nobody said a word. Their first president Ahmadu Ahijo is from Garou and could easily being a Nigerian, hence his total support to Nigeria during the war and the blockade of the Atlantis from the side of Cameroon. So Nigerian war with Biafra is to teach Igbos a lesson and their so called educated young leader as Ojukwu was only in his thirties then.
Unless anyone can tell me why the rest of Nigeria wants the Igbos in Nigeria by all means when it's obvious they don't want to be, I am still going to believe that there is something that is not quite right. Never ever can you force someone to marry you except within the Nigerian union. Honestly I will like to know. This is just my opinion, don't abuse me and any civil opinion is welcomed.
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birdman (m)
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^@Eziachi
This thread is not representative of most Nigerians, I believe the loudest and most opinionated always tend to drive arguments on threads like this. yes, there are deep issues of tribalism that we still have to workout, but splitting up will make it worse.
Questions for those who think we should split:
- Can an igbo nation handle a full blown Ijaw-Itsekiri fight, or handle deltans who want more resource control of oil - Can a Yoruba nation handle the collective idiocy of the alaafin and ooni
I could go on, my point is this: our differences have had a balancing effect on intra-ethnic tensions. The Anambra debacle would have degenerated into something else in a smaller nation. Adedibu would have become a real thorn if borders did not exceed yourba land
between, thanks for staying away from name calling
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Eziachi
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^@Eziachi
This thread is not representative of most Nigerians, I believe the loudest and most opinionated always tend to drive arguments on threads like this. yes, there are deep issues of tribalism that we still have to workout, but splitting up will make it worse.
Questions for those who think we should split:
- Can an igbo nation handle a full blown Ijaw-Itsekiri fight, or handle deltans who want more resource control of oil - Can a Yoruba nation handle the collective idiocy of the alaafin and ooni
I could go on, my point is this: our differences have had a balancing effect on intra-ethnic tensions. The Anambra debacle would have degenerated into something else in a smaller nation. Adedibu would have become a real thorn if borders did not exceed yourba land
between, thanks for staying away from name calling
I undertand your point but you can't be in a marriage because of what you think will happen to another person, that is not a reason to be in a union. If Ijaw and Itshekiri wants to fight according to you, what business of the Igbos is their? Are you telling me that when the old Yoguslavia were fighting, that they don't have neighbours or that those neighbours died too because they were fighting? what kind of reasoning is that? Whether Oni or Alafin want to bury themselves that will be their business, as if they haven't lived as a kingdom before the white man arrived. People often forgot that before Nigeria, our people are nations of their own and they had always lived as neighbours peacefully until the British created a lion that turned into a dragon. Anybody who is seeing Nigeria now and in the past and still believe that Nigeria will ever live peacefully in a political union is either decieving themselves or being economical with the truth. Economic union maybe but political union, not in this world. Can you ever imagine, Germany, UK, France, Italy etc existing as a single nation and what the result will be? Who do think will rule? Can you imagine an Englishman being happy to be ruled by a German or a Frenchman? They are complaining in an economic union now let alone a full blown political union. That is what Nigeria represents, where you put proud and independent nations that their cultures has shaped their ways of doing things and thinking differently into one basket and they openly love to hate each other and expect that one day miraculouly they will start kissing each other. Not In a million years!!! I am a realistic person!!
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Sagamite (m)
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As I said Don't expect me to respond to you if you don't state your sources.
I can see you can only resort back to your rants after I brokedown all you lame arguments.
You didn't ask me to tone anything down. You lied on me and called me an ethnic cleanser and I called you a moron, dimwit etc.
What is wrong with calling a spade a spade?
Continue theoretising about what should be done, people were jealous of this person, we are innocent victims etc. That na your wahala.
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Planner (m)
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As I said Don't expect me to respond to you if you don't state your sources. I can see you can only resort back to your rants after I brokedown all you lame arguments.
You didn't ask me to tone anything down. You lied on me and called me an ethnic cleanser and I called you a moron, dimwit etc.
What is wrong with calling a spade a spade?
Continue theoretising about what should be done, people were jealous of this person, we are innocent victims etc. That na your wahala. Stuff White People Like: An undereducated, human butcher and a warped mind. In Amewrica you will be a hero because the West love blacks who can inflict maximum destruction on his fellow black. To paraphrase you: Killing millions of Igbo people is nothing.
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Eziachi
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. As I said Don't expect me to respond to you if you don't state your sources.
I can see you can only resort back to your rants after I brokedown all you lame arguments.
You didn't ask me to tone anything down. You lied on me and called me an ethnic cleanser and I called you a moron, dimwit etc.
What is wrong with calling a spade a spade?
Continue theoretising about what should be done, people were jealous of this person, we are innocent victims etc. That na your wahala. [
No point engaging you, obviosly you can't make a reasonable argument with anybody with bitterness and name calling. Everybody has there way, I had grown beyond that now in this day and age. If calling unknown face on the internet who come be anybody a MORON is your way of reasoning over whatever the issue is your way of reasoning, that is up to you and think you calling a spade a spade. Whatever what your spade represents.
What it does is, it confirms my argument that I have no business being a member of one nation with you. Can one imagine you being in the position of power and with your outright venom against an Igboman and my life depended on your decisions? God help us.
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texazzpete (m)
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I'm wondering. . . Is there a connection between the first coup which was led by Igbos, and which killed numerous prominent Northern politicians (including Tafawa Balewa) and great antipathy towards the Igbos from Northerners? I have heard no reports of such strife before the Nzeogwu led plotters brutally killed Tafawa Balewa et al.
Before you crucify me, it's just a question.
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nobilia
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I no longer do believe in nigeria, the history is nonsense, the future is terrible, the union is without meaning. We can all just go to hell where we belong.
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Planner (m)
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I'm wondering. . . Is there a connection between the first coup which was led by Igbos, and which killed numerous prominent Northern politicians (including Tafawa Balewa) and great antipathy towards the Igbos from Northerners? I have heard no reports of such strife before the Nzeogwu led plotters brutally killed Tafawa Balewa et al.
Before you crucify me, it's just a question. the great antipathy towards the igbos in northern Nigeria is because they are the only once who are Christians. Infact they are the only ethnic group that are christians in Nigeria. All other ethnic group are muslims. I hope your "question" have been answered.
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texazzpete (m)
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the great antipathy towards the igbos in northern Nigeria is because they are the only once who are Christians. Infact they are the only ethnic group that are christians in Nigeria. All other ethnic group are muslims. I hope your "question" have been answered.
Would have been nice if i'D gotten an intelligent answer. While it's open knowledge that the almajiris are all too thrilled to catch an Igbo man, even Yoruba Muslims have not been spared even when they are invoking allah.
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romeo (m)
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@texazzpete Go and learn your language first, then we can discuss NIGERIA AND BIAFRA. see Edo Oyibo discussing Biafra  "I only speak English" and you are proud of it
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Eziachi
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@Texazzpete,
I think you got a valid question. The resentment had been there in the north against the south especially the Igbos and then the coup was the kerosine and matches they need to for a rampage. Just like the Hutus against the Tutsis, the Hutus let out their resentment/jealous of the Tutsis that has lasted for many years in one single day.
I think the pogrom would had happened coup or no coup but Nzeogwu's led coup hastened it. If not, I think since 1966, they have had numerous/countless revenges that has cost if not millions of Igbo/southern lives but still they haven't still equal the murder of 2 politicians. Junior army officers from Lagtang killed Murtala Mohammed, I didn't see them going to Benue-Plateau killing everybody.
It's funny Nzeogwu is from the present Delta state, but today, Nigerians are trying all they could to tell the world that this people are not Igbos. So whenever the coup of Nzeogwu is remebered, they are Igbos, when it comes to oil money or NDDC, they are not Igbos. Ha ha ha ha, you have to laugh sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!
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youngies (m)
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It's funny Nzeogwu is from the present Delta state, but today, Nigerians are trying all they could to tell the world that this people are not Igbos. So whenever the coup of Nzeogwu is remebered, they are Igbos, when it comes to oil money or NDDC, they are not Igbos. Ha ha ha ha, you have to laugh sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!
You couldn't have captured it more succinctly any other way than this. I guess texazzpete has his answers
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Planner (m)
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Would have been nice if i'D gotten an intelligent answer. While it's open knowledge that the almajiris are all too thrilled to catch an Igbo man, even Yoruba Muslims have not been spared even when they are invoking allah. You do not deserve an "intelligent" answer. Besides, the question you asked is preposterous. Edo people and Yorubas have the same temperament. THE ARE BIG SHIFTLESS COWARDS!
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lucabrasi (m)
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@topic i have read the whole comments on here and i must say both sides have made a lot of sense,however i still believe it was genocide,also i beleive this kindof history should be shown in mvovie/film form to school children not only of ibo extraction but all over nigeria,so they will realise what it took for the country to be one and to learn from the mistakes on both sides,for the ibos on here i must say one thin that has always counted against them has been the "me against the world" mentality,for anybody to think the yorubas can't do without the ibos and that the result of yoruba multi millionaires was as a result of abandoned properties strikes me as a very naive statement, to say the least
the war has happened and we reallyneed to move on and forget all these millitant actions,raving and ranting, its more of the ibo s dropping the biafran hangover against the rest of nigeria i.e not allowing their children to inter marry other tribes,networking with just themselves and the rest of other tribal undercurrents e.t.c however i believe the war is not something to be swept under the carpet,it should be rememberedand the government should acknowledge it officially and even have a public holiday
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texazzpete (m)
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@texazzpete Go and learn your language first, then we can discuss NIGERIA AND BIAFRA. see Edo Oyibo discussing Biafra  "I only speak English" and you are proud of it Fool! What has my language got to do with my opinions? This discussion has spanned FOUR pages, and all you can contribute is an inane dig at me? The buzz on nairaland is that you're a retard. Thanks for confirming that. Edo people and Yorubas have the same temperament. THE ARE BIG SHIFTLESS COWARDS!
To be honest, tribalists like you do more to harm the Igbo cause than any other group. You evince strong dislike and distrust for other tribal groups in Nigeria, yet you feign surprise when such is reciprocated.
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Planner (m)
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To be honest, tribalists like you do more to harm the Igbo cause than any other group. You evince strong dislike and distrust for other tribal groups in Nigeria, yet you feign surprise when such is reciprocated. It's you that is an ethnic jingoist. For you to say that over 2million people (mainly women and children) that was deliberately murdered was not a genocide but rather just a randome case of human rights violations is a disgrace. Most of the victims were delibrately starved to death, murdered in the hopsitals including tearing out foetus from pregnant women. You said it is okay. My point is if it was only the biafran soldiers that were killed then it is not a genocide but fallout form the battle. Now I say to you and sagamite who are direct beneficiary of the war, SHAME ON YOU.
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texazzpete (m)
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It's you that is an ethnic jingoist. For you to say that over 2million people (mainly women and children) that was deliberately murdered was not a genocide but rather just a randome case of human rights violations is a disgrace. Most of the victims were delibrately starved to death, murdered in the hopsitals including tearing out foetus from pregnant women. You said it is okay.
My point is if it was only the biafran soldiers that were killed then it is not a genocide but fallout form the battle. Now I say to you and sagamite who are direct beneficiary of the war, SHAME ON YOU.
Man, are you retarded?! Do you rave? When did i say it was 'okay'?! When?! If i said that the deaths of Igbos was not on the same magnitude with the Holocaust, does that mean i trivialize or condone it? Next you claim i am a direct beneficiary of the war. How do you come to that conclusion? It is now clear that you are merely a time-wasting diversion, brought forth by the Evil One to distract me from engaging in meaninful discussion with far more intelligent people here in Nairaland. Also clear from your apparent inability to comprehend written English is that any money spent on your education has been wasted.
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texazzpete (m)
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When Ojukwu was running for President, y'all that voted for him didn't know that there was no 'One Nigeria'.
Isn't it true that in addition to the federal government blockade, the fact that the Biafran millitary command appropriated the cream of the crop for the millitary contributed to the starvation also?
In world war two, despite having a numerically superior army in the Battle of Singapore, the British General Percival surrendered to the Japanese. he claimed he wanted to avoid massive civillian casualties in the battle for the twon itself. You also should blame Ojukwu for continuing a war even after defeat was inevitable, hence prolonging scenes of starvation and despair. That, perhaps, may be why many educated igbos i've spoken to can't stand Ojukwu himself.
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