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Zahymaka (m)
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Drusilla, sometimes I wonder. Do we all just sit and cry blue murder that we're being taught in a 'white man's' way or do we actually prove ourselves to and for ourselves?
Do we refuse to learn methods that work because we want to come up with a 'black man's' technique?
Sometimes your generalizations sound as racist against the whites as the racism you're obviously trying to protest. I apologize in advance if I sound rude. . .
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Drusilla (f)
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Drusilla, sometimes I wonder. Do we all just sit and cry blue murder that we're being taught in a 'white man's' way or do we actually prove ourselves to and for ourselves? What conclusion did you come to after wondering? Do we refuse to learn methods that work because we want to come up with a 'black man's' technique? The Japanese technique works better than the European technique, why aren't Africans using the best methods for their children, if you think it is just a matter of using what works? http://www.nctm.org/dialogues/2001-11/20011107.htmSometimes your generalizations sound as racist against the whites as the racism you're obviously trying to protest. I apologize in advance if I sound rude. . . Apology accepted. |
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Zahymaka (m)
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Your theory seems to be that we claim recognition for the accomplishments of people and civilizations who passed way long ago. I do not find dwelling on the past constructive.
If that is not your opinion, could you let me in on your views?
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Drusilla (f)
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Your theory seems to be that we claim recognition for the accomplishments of people and civilizations who passed way long ago. I do not find dwelling on the past constructive.
If that is not your opinion, could you let me in on your views?
My theory? No definitely not. Europeans have always been claiming recognition for the accomplishments of people and civilizations (Greeks and Romans) who passed away long ago. Your not racist, so I am sure that you will not mind adapting this whiteman's technique that has been very constructive for them, right? Again, just like the Japanese, they gave their children ownership. |
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Zahymaka (m)
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I used the word 'claim' to mean 'should attempt to claim.' Sorry for the ambiguity.
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Drusilla (f)
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Claim or should attempt to claim?
What does this have to do with anything?
Nigerian Math teachers pull out a map of Africa and show the children where they are and then show them how other Africans on the continent of Africa in Swaziland have the oldest mathematical object?
Show them the oldest example of arithmetic was among Africans in Zaire on the African continent?
Show them the 4000 year old M-papyrus that contains Geometry comes from Africans in Egypt on the African continent?
What's the problem with that claim?
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mrmayor (m)
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Drusilla, Europeans have always been claiming recognition for the accomplishments of people and civilizations (Greeks and Romans) who passed away long ago.
Last time I checked,Greeks and Romans are still Europeans. Nigerian Math teachers pull out a map of Africa and show the children where they are and then show them how other Africans on the continent of Africa in Swaziland have the oldest mathematical object?
Show them the oldest example of arithmetic was among Africans in Zaire on the African continent?
Show them the 4000 year old M-papyrus that contains Geometry comes from Africans in Egypt on the African continent?
What's the problem with that claim?
I learnt about the Contribution of Ancient Egypt to the modern world,I was taught mainly the History of Nigerian People,before slave trade,after slave trade,colonial and post colonial Nigeria. My question is,how does knowledge of arithmetic from Zaire and Geometry from Egypt solve the myriad of problems facing Africa ie Conflict,shelter,food,education,health,democracy and respect for human lives. Arithmetic and Geometry has moved on,its now more complex and productive.where the idea came from is not important but its application to help the African Continent out of the Dark Ages The purpose of history is to learn from the past and not repeat the same mistakes again. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Last time I checked,Greeks and Romans are still Europeans. Right and Egyptians and Zaireans and African Americans are still Africans. My question is,how does knowledge of arithmetic from Zaire and Geometry from Egypt solve the myriad of problems facing Africa ie Conflict,shelter,food,education,health,democracy and respect for human lives.
Arithmetic and Geometry has moved on,its now more complex and productive.where the idea came from is not important but its application to help the African Continent out of the Dark Ages
The purpose of history is to learn from the past and not repeat the same mistakes again. Understanding who you are as an African, wipes away lots of problem in Africa. You wouldn't end up with Nigerians not utilizing their ariable farming land correctly, next door to a country called Niger where people are starving and some say blacks are still enslaved to Muslims. I think about my African American friend, who taught village women to cook potato chips to sale, who taught village people to use worms to improve the soil and their crop outputs. He did not think he was too good for them, even though he has a PHD. He didn't think that he was of another race, a higher class and that his best bet was to run out of Africa and get his money on. Instead of what happens now. We get the news yesterday that America is experiencing a nursing shortage, so all the nurses of Kenya are packing up because they want more than their apartments and the money they have. Africa's sick & pregnant will be neglected so that old white folks in America can have their nurse bring them water and open the shades. |
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New (m)
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Drusilla might have a point lets all return to Africa and lend a helping hand. Are you with me Drusilla?  |
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stranger12
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. . . I think about my African American friend, who taught village women to cook potato chips to sale, who taught village people to use worms to improve the soil and their crop outputs.
He did not think he was too good for them, even though he has a PHD. He didn't think that he was of another race, a higher class and that his best bet was to run out of Africa and get his money on.
Instead of what happens now.
We get the news yesterday that America is experiencing a nursing shortage, so all the nurses of Kenya are packing up because they want more than their apartments and the money they have.
Africa's sick & pregnant will be neglected so that old white folks in America can have their nurse bring them water and open the shades.
I also have a friend (Nigerian) who went to US to teach people how to administer their computer network. The problem is not who knows what, or who is teaching who. What we need is a good government. This gift of governance has eluded us for the past 200 years. |
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anton (m)
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I also have a friend who went to US to teach people how to administer their computer network.
The problem is not who knows what or who is teaching who. What we need is a good government. This gift of governance has eluded us for the past 200 years.
That is something that i also want to do. It is a critical need that we rapidly develop a corps of competant IT specialists but that is neither here nor there. I think the problem, fundamentally, both in Diaposprian (man, i really hate that word) and Continental politics is that the peope refuse to educate themselves and challenge the status quo of governance. Too many of our people only content themselves with having "More" people lord over them. More educated, more sophisticated, more wealthy, more aristocratic, etc, etc, etc. We have to stop depending on government without becoming goverment; which means infinately more than just "voting". So, yeah. We need some damn good relevant and strong backboned government. |
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anton (m)
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Right and Egyptians and Zaireans and African Americans are still Africans.
Uhhhh, let's clarify. If some one does not wish to be african, then there is not need to attempt to try put them in the catagory of an african. To me, north Africa is still conqured territory that will be reclaimed as soon as peak oil ends. As far as Arabs being African, one should be sure to ask our brothers and sisters from below the sahara how they are treated by the arabs. As brothers, or slaves? |
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Drusilla (f)
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Anton,
I was talking about Ancient Egyptians not the Arab colonizers who have grabbed control of North Africa.
The other white meat.
They got to go.
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mrmayor (m)
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Right and Egyptians and Zaireans and African Americans are still Africans.
Egyptians don't consider themselves as African but as Arabs,this is true of Black Egyptians aka Nubians Understanding who you are as an African, wipes away lots of problem in Africa.
You advocating the Feel Good Factor here it doesn't solve any real issues I think about my African American friend, who taught village women to cook potato chips to sale, who taught village people to use worms to improve the soil and their crop outputs.
My mother taught me how to make Potato,Yam,Plantain,Banana chips and she doesn't any PhD except maybe Motherlogy,Lovinglogy and Hardworklogy and her children must get an Educationlogy. I'm all for African History been taught to African Children unadulterated by Western influence but the teaching of outdated mathematical models is ridiculous |
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mamaput (f)
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mrmayor thankyou i just love what you wrote.
Even Ethiopians and Eritrea think they are Arabs.
I was glad that by the time i got to secondary school , that history books were written by blacks.Maths is maths and chemistry is chemistry you always come on a same answer . But History and literature are something that can influence a way of thinking.
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anton (m)
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Understanding who you are as an African, wipes away lots of problem in Africa. You advocating the Feel Good Factor here it doesn't solve any real issues. I disagree with you here, Mr. Mayor. It is not a Feel Good Factor, it is both a We Are In This Fight Together Factor and a Historically, Many Of Our Problems Stem From The Same Root FactorLet's make no mistake here. That being said, it lays the goundwork and foundation for the solving of a multiplicity of Afrikan problems not only in parallel (at the same time), but also with maximal available resources. It's all about realization of common problems, a common solution and stepping in cadence toward it. Aint no feel good about it, because once you attain a level of knowledge about what is actually being leveled against us as a collective, urgentcy and a non-bull$hit attitude replaces all the posh and phoniness that alot of Afrikans have developed. |
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anton (m)
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My mother taught me how to make Potato,Yam,Plantain,Banana chips and she doesn't any PhD except maybe Motherlogy,Lovinglogy and Hardworklogy and her children must get an Educationlogy.
I think about my African American friend, who taught village women to cook potato chips to sale, who taught village people to use worms to improve the soil and their crop outputs.
He did not think he was too good for them, even though he has a PHD. He didn't think that he was of another race, a higher class and that his best bet was to run out of Africa and get his money on.
Now actually, we just hit on a point we can really develop and further expound on. In your example, your talking about you, you, and of course, you. What has benefitted you. Not that it is bad to be taught by your mother, but how does that compare to a PH.D going out of his way to teach some rural folks how to optimize the resources they have available? In Drusilla's example, on the other hand, the theme is Afrikans doing whatever's in their power to help other Afrikans; border be damned. THAT, my friend, drives the point home perfectly. It is about giving what you have and doing what you can. Selflessness, sacrifice, and determination is the mark of a true Pan Afrikan. Of course, you could have very well been conducting yourself in a facetious manner, but who can tell? |
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anton (m)
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My question is,how does knowledge of arithmetic from Zaire and Geometry from Egypt solve the myriad of problems facing Africa ie Conflict,shelter,food,education,health,democracy and respect for human lives.
My question is why would you deny your children that knowledge of themselves and send them out in the world crippled like that. The bottomline is that no matter how much you want to love your enemies and want them to love you, that will never happen. Let me ask you a very simple question: Do you see other peoples being modest about the accomplishments their people have achieved in the past? Here, let me answer for you: Of course not! Afrikan life have been devalued in a manner that will take serious systematic education and honesty to reverse. You are not going to solve anything by lying to black children about the accomplishments of their people in order to make europeans and other people feel safer around you. This is silly. The purpose of history is to learn from the past and not repeat the same mistakes again.
The purpose of history is to understand one's place and purpose in the world. Afrikans have always been at the forefront and this is one of the main reasons why europeans proceeded to colonise history and systematically write you out of it. In closing, i will leave by saying that you don't make mistakes disappear by not correcting them. Many people seem to have this false notion that not addressing and correcting the wrongs and violence that have been inflicted upon us is going to change this worl for the better. What nonsense. |
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mrmayor (m)
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Anton, I'm a self critic,I look in the mirror everyday and I tell myself the truth as I see it.I tell myself,you can not make any changes in the world without taking a critical look at how I live my life and take responsibilities for my actions.To take on the world,I must get acquainted with outside world,I must get the knowledge that people who control the affairs of the world have before making any decisions. I'm a pragmatist,if I see a system that works I would absorbed that system instead of trying to reinventing the wheel.Its no shame absorbing knowledge or information from other cultures and societies and making it your own,thats the secret of European progress.Europe was never afraid to adopt new things from outside its people and making it their own. Sir, There is a danger of cheery picking history you want to be taught to Africans,African history has no fairy tale ending were we all live happily ever after,its good,bad and ugly.History has to be taught in its full glory,the brutally,slavery before the Europeans made it an international trade,the domination of one tribe by another,rapes,cannibalism,Atlantic slave trade,colonialism,dictatorship and the millions of Africans who have died in the hands of fellow African brothers after independence. The purpose of history is to understand one's place and purpose in the world. Afrikans have always been at the forefront and this is one of the main reasons why europeans proceeded to colonise history and systematically write you out of it.
Anton, You are wrong,the purpose of history is to understand who we are,what we have done in the past and not to repeat the mistakes of the past.Its great to teach your children about having the oldest mathematical object but how does it impact their lives in the twentyfirst century.If we as Africans made these mathematical discoveries 4500 years why was no continuation and progress. History taught in Nigerian schools is actually very Anti-European,its like African problems started with the slave trade but we know better don't we? Africans have come to believe that Modern African problems is still caused by Europeans,you can't blame the white man for Nigeria's corruption,several massacres,score of civil wars in Africa,dictatorships etc. The evil deeds of Africans against Africans in post colonial Africa has a greater impact on the lives of ordinary Africans than Colonialism ever did. Now actually, we just hit on a point we can really develop and further expound on. In your example, your talking about you, you, and of course, you. What has benefitted you. Not that it is bad to be taught by your mother, but how does that compare to a PH.D going out of his way to teach some rural folks how to optimize the resources they have available?
Anton, In 1980s Nigeria,a lot Nigerian communities built their own schools and hospitals to guaranty that their children had at least secondary education,some communities provided free accommodation for teachers,doctors and nurses to bring these facilities to their villages.Most of these parents,village folks knew that without education their people would be no where in the scheme of things. My parents fall into that category,they like others like them slaved to educate their children in the the face of terrible economic conditions,many folks had Co-operatives to help themselves.There is no pointed crying blue murder while the world leaves you behind.Those parents made a change in their towns while still holding the government responsible for the state of affairs Of course, you could have very well been conducting yourself in a facetious manner, but who can tell?
No Sir, I don't live in denial,there nothing to laugh about the African situation.I'm A Pragmatist.Look in the mirror and tell me what you see |
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