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Sista (f)
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I remember my cousin who was born in 1939 told me that when he used to work on Jobs In America with Africans born in Africa, when he would get into it with them they would call him Kaffir, but when African Americans talked about this name calling by the Africans born in Africa, they would pronounce it Coffa. In fact I recall calling Babyoisisi a Coffa when she called me an Akata. I was mad at her at that time, I don't really think she is s a Coffa. My cousin told me that the word simply means Nigga. He also told me the word came into use when the Dutch took over South Africa. That gives me the impression that any black person using that word against another black person is using that word because he is ignorant to the true meaning of the word or he feels he is superior over other black people.
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chinani (f)
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I don't know what "coffa" means.  However "kaffir" is a totally differently word and sounds like "kaffir" when pronounced properly. It's means "infidel" in arabic.
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Sista (f)
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@Chinani
Kaffir is the correct pronunciation but African Americans who would be called Kaffir by Continent born Africans, when AA people went back and talked about being called this word, they did not pronounce it correctly and it came out Coffa instead of Kaffir. If they wanted to, they could have pronounced it properly but they didn't. All they knew was the word had to be another word for Nigga.
Do you see what I mean now?
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chinani (f)
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@ SistaI don't think that's right. For one, I've never heard a black person, African or otherwise, calling anyone a kaffir so I can't believe it. SAs don't call each other kaffir so why would they call an American that?  "Nigga" has slipped into common usage and some people think it's positive (or even not negative), not so with "kaffir" and so no, it's not a synonym for "nigga".
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Sista (f)
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I don't think that's right. For one, I've never heard a black person, African or otherwise, calling anyone a kaffir so I can't believe it. Well ,you don't have to believe it but I told you my self, I called it to Babyosisi my self in another topic. I only pronounced it Coffa instead of Kaffir. You probably would never hear it accept maybe once in a while because it is a 40's and 50's name calling fad from Continent born Africans in America to AA people. African American people were to lazy to pronounce it properly so it came out in a southern dialect, Coffa. I only used it to show Babiosisi when she called me an Akata that I could come up with a name for her as well, other than than that - I would probably have never used that word. I was born in the 70's and only know of the word because of my cousin who was around during the 40's and 50's era, he told me of that word and how C/A would call it to AA people. Because my cousin told me of the word and how it was percieved by AA people here in America, I am sharing that knowledge with you like a passing down of information, you can choose to believe it or not but really, I have no reason to lie abut this. SAs don't call each other kaffir so why would they call an American that? Not sure what Sas is but you yourself or someone else in this topic even said that some Africans used the word towards each other to say that another African was something like an infidel. An infidel in comparison to another African who is not an infidel. Correct me if I am wrong. Undecided "Nigga" has slipped into common usage and some people think it's positive (or even not negative), For African Americans to call each other Nigga and not "Nigger" the (white peoples version) it is positive depending on why it is being called. It was you yourself or someone else in this topic who even said at times some Africans say kaffir as a positive meaning to each other. correct me if I am wrong. not so with "kaffir" and so no, it's not a synonym for "nigga". For an African American who is being called Kaffir back in the 40's and 50's by an African from the continent who the AA thinks he is being called Kaffir because the C/A thinks he is better than the AA, the AA is going to to view that name calling as equal to being called Nigger by whitey. In essence to the AA, the word is simply Nigger. Modified: After posting this response, I went back and read where you are the one who said the word is Arabic for infidel.
Keep in mind, Arabs enslaved Africans and some Africans converted to Islam some of them can speak Arabic or are very familiar with some Arabic words. It could have very well been those ignorant African Muslims who called the name Kaffir to AA people, even if you yourself never heard of it. Keep in mind, you weren't around America in the 40's and 50's and neither was I but I was born here and so was most of my family. My family members, the ones born in America who where in the 40's and 50's era, they would know of the issues between AA people and C/A during that time.
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chinani (f)
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Well ,you don't have to believe it but I told you my self, I called it to Babyosisi my self in another topic. I only pronounced it Coffa instead of Kaffir. You probably would never hear it accept maybe once in a while because it is a 40's and 50's name calling fad from Continent born Africans in America to AA people. African American people were to lazy to pronounce it properly so it came out in a southern dialect, Coffa. I only used it to show Babiosisi when she called me an Akata that I could come up with a name for her as well, other than than that - I would probably have never used that word. I was born in the 70's and only know of the word because of my cousin who was around during the 40's and 50's era, he told me of that word and how C/A would call it to AA people. Because my cousin told me of the word and how it was percieved by AA people here in America, I am sharing that knowledge with you like a passing down of information, you can choose to believe it or not but really, I have no reason to lie abut this. I'll think about that. Not sure what Sas is but you yourself or someone else in this topic even said that some Africans used the word towards each other to say that another African was something like an infidel. An infidel in comparison to another African who is not an infidel. Correct me if I am wrong. SAs = South Africans. I said/wrote that South Africans sometimes call other Africans, makwerekwere and was asking about the use and context of that name calling/name usage. Kaffir means infidel in arabic. I never suggested kaffir could be positive or beign. For African Americans to call each other Nigga and not "Nigger" the (white peoples version) it is positive depending on why it is being called. It was you yourself or someone else in this topic who even said at times some Africans say kaffir as a positive meaning to each other. correct me if I am wrong. No. I never said that Africans called each other kaffir or that kaffir could be positive. For an African American who is being called Kaffir back in the 40's and 50's by an African from the continent who the AA thinks he is being called Kaffir because the C/A thinks he is better than the AA, the AA is going to to view that name calling as equal to being called Nigger by whitey. In essence to the AA, the word is simply Nigger. Ok, yes, I see how kaffir is similar to nigger as both are used to degrade etc. Modified:After posting this response, I went back and read where you are the one who said the word is Arabic for infidel.
Keep in mind, Arabs enslaved Africans and some Africans converted to Islam some of them can speak Arabic or are very familiar with some Arabic words. It could have very well been those ignorant African Muslims who called the name Kaffir to AA people, even if you yourself never heard of it. Keep in mind, you weren't around America in the 40's and 50's and neither was I but I was born here and so was most of my family. My family members, the ones born in America who where in the 40's and 50's era, they would know of the issues between AA people and C/A during that time. I am aware of the Muslim influence on Africa and know alot about Africans who follow Islam. However, the majority of this thread is about makwerekwere. I don't know if African muslims called non-muslims "kaffir" as in "infidel/non-believer" but I guess I'm not really concerned with that at present.
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Sista (f)
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I am aware of the Muslim influence on Africa and know alot about Africans who follow Islam. However, the majority of this thread is about makwerekwere. I don't know if African muslims called non-muslims "kaffir" as in "infidel/non-believer" but I guess I'm not really concerned with that at present. Okay, maybe Kaffir was getting a little off of the topic but I had seen someone bring up that word and It just stuck with me so I rolled with it sense this topic was or is about makwerekwere, name calling per say and it's meanings. I think all of the racist name calling boil down to one thing, degrading. Some how I had gotten the impression that makwerekwere was not to different from Kaffir. Also, please excuse me for misquoting you. I know some one in this topic said those things, I was really just to lazy to go back and re read, my bad. Please forgive me, it won't happen again. Was a little tired that night, I am getting worn out by Nairaland.
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Mzanzigal
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Hi,
I am South African, read you thread with interest and decided I needed to respond. I don't know where Smokie gets his information from, but as far as I know, Makwerekwere is a generic (derogatory) name given to black foreigners from anywhere outside South Africa. (Botswana, Lesotho and Swaziland are exceptions because their languages are widely spoken in South Africa by South Africans (Tswana, Sotho and Swati). The origins of the word come from the fact that when non-South Africans speak, to South Africans, it basically sounds like all they are saying is "kwerekwere kwere kwere" and so on. Now, lets get this cleared up. There are 11 official languages in South Africa and the black languages are more or less understandable across the board (for black South Africans that is). Then there is Venda, which is a group of people who inhabitated the far northern area of South Africa. Venda sounds a lot like Shona, which is spoken in Zimbabwe, hence the term is also sometimes used to describe Venda people even though are as South African as the next Zulu or Xhosa person.
For the record, it is not especially Nigerians who are called Makwerekwere. It is all non-South African blacks AND black person whose language sounds foreign.
As for the Kaffir term, it's arabic and means Heathen. South Africans never call other black people by that name because even we ourselves don't call each other that, whether in jest or not.
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smokie (m)
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Ok Mzanzigal, we're not much different on the origins of makwerekwere, I'll be the first to concede that we have xenophobia in this country but not to such an extent where black African walks down the street he has to fear for his life- okay, maybe only in Cape Town. In Joburg it's totally different because it's a dog eat dog world.
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monkeyboo
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The word became famous in the mid-90s when a kwaito song describing xenophobia hit the airwaves, before that few people outside of Joburg knew what it meant. I'm just wondering if you could tell me the name of this song you mentionned please. Thanks.
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Angelheart
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@ Topic.
The white people intoduced Aparteheid in South Africa and unfortunately, they managed to turn the black people against their own African brothers. Its not only used on NIgerians.
Unfortunately, the term "Makwerekwere" is still used to belittle foreign African individuals down south. It is actually VERY dissapointing because having been victims of aparteid ourselves, we continue to make our fellow brothers unwelcomed in the country. Mzanzigirl did try to explain how this name came to being but I don't really buy it. When a french man speaks, we don't UNDERSTAND a word that they say and we NEVER call them makwerekwere. It is SOLELY to belittle the BLACK AFRICAN foreigners!
Would I want to be called a Kwerekwere?? NOPE! I would not because I would NEVER use such a name towards any black person.
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ebeledi (m)
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an example of how certain africans are more fond to whiteness rather than there brothers
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Angelheart
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I'm just wondering if you could tell me the name of this song you mentionned please.
Thanks.
The name of the song is called 'Makwerekwere' and the singer's name is Arthur Mafokate. He did not come up with the name though. The name has been used for centuries but, he just made it popular.
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Angelheart
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@Chinani
Kaffir is the correct pronunciation but African Americans who would be called Kaffir by Continent born Africans, when AA people went back and talked about being called this word, they did not pronounce it correctly and it came out Coffa instead of Kaffir. If they wanted to, they could have pronounced it properly but they didn't. All they knew was the word had to be another word for Nigga.
Do you see what I mean now?
No ways Sista, this does not sound right! A black man can NEVER call another black man a Kaffir! That is a term that was used to oppress black people and hearing it really break ur herts. We NEVEr use that work. EVER! Only the white Boers use it to de-mean us. They used it during apartheid and some still use it now and get away with it! Sista, where the p huck are you?? I miss you nau!
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