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ono (m)
Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:20 PM »

Peeps, guys in particular, I'm not a Romance section pro. on Nairaland. But I stumbled on this interview with famous tennis star, Serena Williams. I've read through her response to the questions thrown at her, and my jaw practically dropped from my head!

I will like to hear your response on her views about black guys. Methink it's herself who's had a warped experience, or orientation about black guys. She needs to be told that one.






Black men have become of less value —Serena Williams

Ms. Williams we are all interested in your new boyfriend.

There is no new boyfriend. I stopped playing with boys when I stopped dating black guys. I have a new man in my life and yes, he’s white.

So you prefer to date white men instead of black guys?

Let’s be real. If you are a successful black female you only have two choices:date outside of your race or date other successful black females.

Are you saying there are no successful black men to date?

Of course not but let’s face it, if Oprah would date outside of her race she would be married with children now. The state of most black men is so low the only thing you can do is love them. Like a poor homeless dog. You can’t expect it to protect you. You can only  offer shelter and love and watch as our neighbor’s pit bull protects his  home and family. I, unlike Oprah, am not forced to stay within those boundaries. I was born into a new generation of black women.

So Oprah is being forced to date Stedman?

All I can say is when you find a successful black women who is not married and does not have children it is because they refuse to accept the two choices. Some may go as far as marriage to a black guy but they realize divorce is inevitable so they do not have children. Or they have children with one and don’t marry in order to preserve their wealth and good credit. Oprah is one of many who silently protests being stuck withsuch poor choices by refusing to marry and reproduce but you can see how much it hurts her. She’s always giving away money to children’s charities. I hope she makes the choice to marry a non-black soon so she can have a child of her own.

But you have decided to accept the two choices?

Yes. I grew up in California around the two extremes of wealth. If I could only get myself to try the bisexual thing I would have been much happier in my relationships. Instead I dated Black men, I loved many of them but they were just not suitable for marriage. Many of them were  raised by women and had warped mentalities. So, I finally had to date outside my race. When I moved to Miami, I accepted my status and date men on my level.

What do you mean by warped mentalities?

Well, where do I begin? Many of them were raised predominantly by women and had this feminine/bisexual complex. Where they wanted to be treated like a female sometimes. For example, I would have the money & they would have the sex. I would teach them things. You know, all the things a woman likes a man to do, I would end up doing for them. Then if we would get into an argument, there would be a role reversal. All of a sudden, they would be the man wanting the respect of a king in his castle. Black men over the years have become less and less of value to black women both rich and poor. I predict in 10 years they will be obsolete. Now they serve little to no function and what little they can do, they don’t want to do.

Why 10 years?

 That’s when going to a fertility clinic to get impregnated by a sperm donor will become as common and accessible as the flu shot. Women who want sex will do it with whoever they want (girl, guy, rich, poor, white, black) and go to the bank (the sperm bank) when they are ready to have children. Even those who waited (like Oprah) will have fertilized eggs placed in-Vitro. That’s the day the secret organization of women is  waiting for. The day when men are 100% this-empowered.

Are you a part of that organization?

No. They’re a mostly white group. Plus that day for black men is practically here already. Black women are already raising 75% of the black population without a man. When fertility clinics become more affordable. Black women will be standing in line. It will be just like plastic surgery. Everyone laughed at Michael Jackson but it’s becoming so popular now, that even poor blacks are getting work done, mostly breast reductions and liposuction.
               
So do you want men to be this-empowered?

Heck, no! That’s why I am with a white man now. I want a man to be a man and I am not going to settle for less just to stay within racial boundaries. A Black man in my position wouldn’t do it so why should I. Don’t get me wrong, I love black men. My father is black, I have dated black men all my life, and if I have a male child he will be part black.

But my husband and I will raise him together so hopefully he will be a worthy choice for a worthy black female. Not the only choice, or “there’s nothing better out there so I’ll settle for this choice. When you are successful you want the best. The best food, clothes, places to live etc. I want the best man also.

And you think the best man is a non-black man?

 I think if there’s a better choice for me, God would have shown me. I am in the public so I get to meet lots of people from all over the world athletes, celebs, etc. I am wealthy so I am invited and have traveled to the most prestigious events all over the world. Out of all those people, places and events, I had to choose the right man for me. Like it or not (with very few exceptions) a white man is the only real choice for a successful black female.


Source:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/section/fashion.html
 
desiree (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #1 on: June 18, 2006, 04:24 PM »

Serena never admitted saying that, it was a hoax!!! Some racist fool at work there!!

Although it makes a lot of sense to me and i agree with some of the points made.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #2 on: June 18, 2006, 08:00 PM »

Is this like the Nigerian way of beating themselves up?

Using fake letters supposedly from African American women, that puts them down?

Is this how they pump themselves up to make more and more money?

To show her they have value?

This is of course very fake.

It is an insult to Serena Williams Father who is the cause of her success. She would never say this.
eveseh (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #3 on: June 18, 2006, 08:21 PM »

what a story
Drusilla (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #4 on: June 18, 2006, 08:27 PM »

SERENA WILLIAMS ANSWERS THIS BULLSHYTE


"Words cannot express how upset I am to find out that someone has deliberately attempted to ruin my reputation and image," says Ms. Williams. "I would never, ever, under any circumstance, be so disrespectful. Whoever decided to write this garbage does not know Serena Williams. It is not my thinking nor my being. I want to find out who is behind this, and have them prosecuted within the fullest extent of the law. I am hoping that there will be more policing over the Internet, in order to find out immediately the origin of this kind of treachery. No one deserves to be humiliated and defamed this way."

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_serena_williams.htm
DaHitler (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #5 on: June 18, 2006, 08:44 PM »

How disgusting. All this talk of reproduction is making me sick.

I thought women were supposed to learn to watch their tongue. Serena Willians is sounding like a xxxxx.  Lips sealed
Efani (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #6 on: August 08, 2006, 07:45 PM »

y r u such a pussy??
Free (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #7 on: August 14, 2006, 12:11 AM »

well she is dating a white boy now

just like half of black men are dating white gurls
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #8 on: August 17, 2006, 01:26 AM »

so wrong.
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #9 on: August 17, 2006, 04:20 AM »

@ To all

It was not a hoax what Serena said, I read it my self in the globe news paper. As a matter a fact I read it three weeks ago from today. If I didn't read it for my self, I would not believe it either.
Eurphoria (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #10 on: August 17, 2006, 07:00 PM »

whether it was by Miss Williams or Not, I agree to some of it, it does make sense, whether a rascist wrote it or not, i agree, some Black men are such average, low expectations under acheiving people. Its a shame, I lOve the black man but they are letting the side down time and time again with their constant whinning and blaming every failure they have on the white man
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #11 on: August 17, 2006, 07:13 PM »

Quote from: Eurphoria on August 17, 2006, 07:00 PM
whether it was by Miss Williams or Not, I agree to some of it, it does make sense, whether a rascist wrote it or not, i agree, some Black men are such average, low expectations under acheiving people. Its a shame, I lOve the black man but they are letting the side down time and time again with their constant whinning and blaming every failure they have on the white man

true talk.
mochafella (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #12 on: August 17, 2006, 07:27 PM »

Quote from: Sista on August 17, 2006, 04:20 AM
@ To all

It was not a hoax what Serena said, I read it my self in the globe news paper. As a matter a fact I read it three weeks ago from today. If I didn't read it for my self, I would not believe it either.

And what makes you anymore credible? Undecided  Do you have a scan of "The Globe newspaper"? Do you at least have a website for the newspaper? Till then the allegation has been refuted as false and remains as such.
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #13 on: August 17, 2006, 08:39 PM »

@ mochafella


Look brotha, I am not in agreeance with anything that Serena said or allegedly said. So you don't have to sound so mean.

What I said is credible and you don't have to believe me. But, if you wanted proof all you had to do was ask nicely. Like. "Sista can you provide me the information to your source, I would really appreciate it"

A lack in communication is one of the problems black people have. If we do bother to communicate we don't show respect towards each other.


Here is the source you rudely asked for,


www.theglobenewspapers.com

mochafella (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #14 on: August 17, 2006, 09:03 PM »

Quote from: Sista on August 17, 2006, 08:39 PM
Look brotha, I am not in agreeance with anything that Serena said or allegedly said. So you don't have to sound so mean.

My concern is not about your agreement or otherwise, my concern is that such a comment was attributed to Serena. Its being roaming around the web for a couple of years and no one has provided any conclusive evidence that she said such. I'm surprised you saw something about it in the paper just 3 weeks ago.

I had already visited the link you provided and did not find any such article in their online archives. Do you remember the date(s) for which the paper was for so I can order a back copy or do you still have the article? Even better do you have a direct link to the article on that website if you read it online?

Quote from: Sista on August 17, 2006, 08:39 PM
A lack in communication is one of the problems black people have. If we do bother to communicate we don't show respect towards each other.
Please spare me that. You confirm that a refuted allegation is true without sourcing it, and then get upset when challenged.
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #15 on: August 18, 2006, 01:50 AM »

Quote from: mochafella on August 17, 2006, 09:03 PM
Please spare me that. You confirm that a refuted allegation is true without sourcing it, and then get upset when challenged.

Wasn't upset at all, Just a little dissappointed that a brotha didn't request source from a lady in a more respective tone.

You are right, I should have given a source. I wasn't writing a thesis so it didn't dawn on me that I should have given a source. After all, the one who started this discussion board provided a source and when it was refuted as being a hoax, the source was provided for the hoax.

We were all going in a circle Huh

However I did mention the name of the News paper I got the source from and to me that was enough. As I said, you could have asked me to provide a direct source in a more respectful tone. I didn't have a problem with you asking for the source or as you  said (challenging me) I like being challenged but when you challenge a lady, show some respect for your self by showing some respect for her.

You clearly show some traits of needing to grow up. It's your kind of black man attitude that gives a black woman a reason to say such stupid things about all black men Angry

 I hope this advice I am giving you will be used towards your rights of passage into adult hood, Show some respect, arrogance is not necessary.

Take care.
mochafella (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #16 on: August 18, 2006, 02:03 AM »

Quote from: Sista on August 18, 2006, 01:50 AM
However I did mention the name of the News paper I got the source from and to me that was enough.

The online source you provided has no record of the confirmation that you assert. Do you have a date for the edition of the newspaper you read?
mochafella (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #17 on: August 19, 2006, 12:20 AM »

@Sista

I see you are unable to repond to the challenge and back up your affirmation. Don't you think its odd to speak of respect when you have no qualms about perpetuating a malicious rumor that tarnishes the image of a fellow Black woman, assuming you are one. So much for your pontificating.
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #18 on: August 19, 2006, 04:32 AM »

@ Mochafella

Hold your horses, I went to the sight that I gave you. They only have the headlines posted in their archives. The Serena Article was a small article that was probably used as a filler for the Newspaper. They have a number on the sight for the Newspaper company. I am going to call the number and track down the issue that article was in.

I am not running from you or anyone else. Gooooodness, you can be a push over, or at least attempt to be.

Give me a few days. At least give me until Monday.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #19 on: August 19, 2006, 01:28 PM »

Sista,

Does Serena Williams get to speak for herself? She has refuted the article many times.

This is actually the second topic about this issue. Not only is it a well known urban legend, you can see from the link, I gave but in the first topic many others gave links to articles all over about this well known myth.

She did not say this. And it should not be so shocking that a newspaper got it wrong.

You need to do some serious research on this one. You missed it here.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #20 on: August 19, 2006, 01:40 PM »

Free,

There are treatment programs that can help with meth or crack additions. Check your local phone book.

A person would have to be high on crack and smoking meth, to believe that blackmen who are the least likely to go outside of their race, then any other race in the world, are dating white women at a 50 percent rate.

Blackmen at any level only date white women at a rate of 10 percent or less.

And blackmen of course marry them at rates far less than that.

Rich blackmen marry black women at a rate of 94 percent.
Middle class blackmen marry black women at a rate of 96 percent.
Ghettoswellers marry black women at a rate of 98 percent.

Those are the real numbers, despite the lies always being pushed on Blackfolks.

For the same exact reason that until blacks got more power, it was unacceptable to show a blackman and woman in a movie being in love and or together.


I have a cousin, who is light as Collin Powell, who wears hoodies and winter coats, when he has his white 'girlfriend' driving him around because he does not want to hear his blackmale friends teasing him in the Ghetto, we live in.

Of course they understand that if you lack money and have 'fell off'*, you may need to call that whitegirl up and have her come give you some money to get back 'on'* but it does not mean you actually hang around the white girl in the hood. That is a thing of shame. Just get the money and the sex and dump her until next time you need some cash.

Don't embarrass yourself by riding around with her as if she actually means something to you.

Of course, I believe that the ideas presented in this post will register with many Nigerians but we can keep that on the downlow.  Wink
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #21 on: August 19, 2006, 07:06 PM »

@ Drusilla

Drusilla, you are something else, I love you to death already.

Serena does have the right to defend her self but she has not. I don't believe any of it, I was just stating what I saw with my own eyes in the paper. One thing we do know for sure, she dates white men only. Her man now is white, she is seen with him on the beach and always seen with him in public. I will believe that she did not say it when I see her on a talk show saying she did not say it.

Right now she is hiding behind the internet rumors of she did say it or she did not say it. When I hear it from her that she did not say it on television for all to see, I will then give it some thought that she absolutely did not say it. As I said, she is dating white men only and that is a fact. Who knows, she could have been bumping her gums and flapping her lips to someone who was white, someone she thought she could trust and they had a tape recorder on the whole time. She was probably shocked when it got out, Who knows?
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #22 on: August 20, 2006, 12:17 AM »

Quote from: Drusilla on August 19, 2006, 01:28 PM
Sista,

She has refuted the article many times.



good.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #23 on: August 20, 2006, 06:12 AM »

Sista,

The reason I believe the websites like Urbanlegends, who give Serena Williams comments that she NEVER said this.

Is because of this. It is well known that Serena and Venus success in life is due to their very Black father pushing them into tennis as children.

How could it be that she would be this cruel and hateful towards the one Blackman who has guaranteed her success in this world? Is she really so insensitive and horrible that she would not realize that her supposed view of Blackmen "as the homeless and as worthless puppies" would not affect the one Blackman who is her everything?

Her father?

I believe that she would never because of her father, make any of the horrible comments saying all blackmen are totally worthless.

It is a blackman who has been worth everything to her, her own father.

It's a sad story and I feel sorry for Serena and her father whom this story causes pain, even though she repeatedly denies it and every Urban legend page shows that it was never true.
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #24 on: August 20, 2006, 06:38 AM »

Quote
Is because of this. It is well known that Serena and Venus success in life is due to their very Black father pushing them into tennis as children.

@ serena

I totally agree and as black person, people in general are always trying to sabotage us so we do have to be careful of we believe.

That is why I said I don't believe any of it but what we do know is she dates white men, Why is that if she adors her father? We also have to question that.

There are traders in the black community.

In the source she did make it a point to say "Don't get me wrong I love black men, after all my father is a black man" But isn't that the excuse black women give when they date outside of their race and they are trying to convince people they don't hate the black man or hate their self?

I can think of many reason why she probably did not say it but then I can think of many reasons why she did say it. That is why which side I believe is balanced. 

That is why I said she may have been flapping her lips to a white friend or or black friend so she thought, thinking no one would go back and tell but someone could have been taping it. After all it was a long very long statement an well thought out, like a intellectual conversation.

You know, if she did flap her lips not realzing a recorder was recording the whole thing, that means she can't refute it on television because it is the truth. When a source that is true is challenged, the source is forced to reveal the evidence and Serena could have been warned about that and this could be why she has not come out on the Radio or television to refute.

There are so many factors to consider, that is why I said if she really wants to get this monkey off of her back, she will come forward on a television show for all to see to say she did not say these awful things about black men.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #25 on: August 20, 2006, 07:22 AM »

Sista,

Good, good. I looked into this idea a  little and the only story I could find about Serena williams boyfriend was that she did not have ANY boyfriend.

Although I saw one story of her out to dinner with Colin Farrell (whiteboy from movie --phonebooth and in Miami Vice).

Otherwise I could not catch any picture of her and a white boyfriend.  And even Colin Farrell and other such big stars seem more a lifestyle choice rather than a racist choice i.e. in her world -- of the young and rich and hollywood jetset.

I would be interested in understanding if she truly is dating a lot of whitemen. It does not bother me but the comments because of dad would still be hard to understand.

Serena is not so stupid to believe that comments that call dating a blackman as worthless as dating a homeless guy is all made up by saying: I love blackmen like my dad.

Even if she dated whiteboys, or said she loved dear old dad, I would not find this as proof for her horrible comments.   
mochafella (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #26 on: August 20, 2006, 07:44 AM »

Quote from: Sista
It was not a hoax what Serena said, I read it my self in the globe news paper. As a matter a fact I read it three weeks ago from today. If I didn't read it for my self, I would not believe it either.


Quote from: Sista on August 20, 2006, 06:38 AM
I can think of many reason why she probably did not say it but then I can think of many reasons why she did say it. That is why which side I believe is balanced. 

Your belief didn't seem balanced a couple of days ago.  Undecided
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #27 on: August 20, 2006, 08:35 AM »

Quote
Your belief didn't seem balanced a couple of days ago. 


@ Mochafella


You didn't prove anything.

At the time when I said that, I was referring to believing it because it was in the paper. That was then.

If you remember, after I said that, you said to me that you were suprized that I had read it in the paper being that the rumor has been circulating for a little over a year now, That made me wonder, 

If you continue to read the thread, you will see that someone, I think it was Drusilla who said Serena has refuted the allegation a numorous of times over the internet. That also made me think that this all might be bull sh-t. But, that does not make her 100 percent cleared in my eye's because she has not come out to the public to refute. Therfore, my belief of if she said it or not is at a stand still. I think it is possible she said it but then again it is possible she did not say it.

I am entitled to change my view based on new information.

So, you need to quit it, your just looking for something to get into Grin

Your so cute and bratty Wink
Sijien (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #28 on: August 21, 2006, 06:45 PM »

someone wanted to cause wahala & he did
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #29 on: August 22, 2006, 01:03 AM »

@ Mochafella


Mocha, I called the news paper. The guy who works there said he is going to upload the article to that site. It turns out that It was the Oakland post I read that article in so here is that adress. My time is for 4:59pm right now, he told me to give him a half an hour. I told him to be sure he does it because I have you to answer to.

http://www.postnewsgroup.com/
Sista (f)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #30 on: August 22, 2006, 01:33 AM »

@ mochafella

Mocha, I called the guy back to see if he had uploaded the article but he never got around to it. He took my number and told me that he would call me tomorow after he locates the article. The number to the news paper company in case you want it is 510-287-8213 at this point that is all I can do is wait for him to call me. If he does not deliver, I am not going to keep waisting my time. He did say that the article was in the paper this past month so it has been around a month ago that I read it.
shotster50 (m)
Re: Serena Williams: Black Men Have Become Of Less Value
« #31 on: Yesterday at 01:33:01 AM »

Point of correction - The post should have read; ''The State of African American Men''.
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