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bilymuse
Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« on: August 04, 2008, 04:46 PM »

Militants attack JTF Logistics Base
By Sola Adebayo and Ibanga Isine
Published: Monday, 4 Aug 2008
More deaths have been recorded in the restive Niger Delta as militants on Saturday night attacked the Logistics Base of the Joint Task Force in Bomadi, Delta State and a drinking spot in Onne, Rivers State.

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Apart from killing five people in the two incidents, the militants abducted two French nationals and seized two JTF gunboats as well as sophisticated weapons.

Investigation by our correspondents on Sunday showed that the militants stormed the JTF base from a neighboring coastal community.

The base was established by the pioneer Commander of JTF, Brig.-Gen. Elias Zamani, in 2003 to coordinate the operations of the security outfit in Bomadi, Patani, Burutu and neighboring riverine communities in Bayelsa State.

Our correspondents learnt that JTF operatives made futile attempts to ward-off the militants whose mission was to seize arms and ammunition to fortify their armories.

A source told our correspondents that many residents of Bomadi were forced into the bush during the more than one hour gun duel between the operatives and the militants.

According to the source, the bandits abandoned the boats because of lack of competent hands to pilot them to their camps
source:http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200808043102081
bilymuse
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #1 on: August 04, 2008, 04:47 PM »

thank God, we are seeing the benefit of Aziza moving his command post to Port-Harcourt
texazzpete (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #2 on: August 04, 2008, 06:21 PM »

I feel pity at you people that lull yourselves into over-estimating the strength of these millitants.

So far, all they've had working for them is the element of surprise and tactical ambushes. Were a strongman like Abacha to be in charge, and a full scale amphibious assault ordered, you'd see the carnage that'd ensue.


All i hear is the boys are in the creeks. So what you're saying is that Congo Brazzaville may well land 2000 well armed troops in the ND swamps and they'll perenially occupy a section of Nigeria, huh?

Just thank God that so far this seems to be working for them, and Yar'Adua is mindful not to allow any possibility of an 'Odi'.

yar'Adua should just give the ND states their 50% derivation and let's get on with peace. God knows that millitancy aside, the region deserves it. it's only fair.
WilyWily
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #3 on: August 04, 2008, 08:43 PM »

Congratulation to all they Freedom Fighters on their victory against dirty stinking Nigeria rag tag Zombi thugs called soldiers
bilymuse
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #4 on: August 04, 2008, 09:03 PM »

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So far, all they've had working for them is the element of surprise and tactical ambushes. Were a strongman like Abacha to be in charge, and a full scale amphibious assault ordered, you'd see the carnage that'd ensue.

Even if all the Nigerians soldiers turn themself into Abacha there is nothing they could do about it,  if the situation can be solved militarily , Obasanjo would have done it. Odi is a food for thought.

the reason why Abacha looks strong when he killed Ken Saro-Wiwa was because the militant have not acquire weapon. Now things have changed, the militant are  well armed as the army, its a fight on equal footing. Abacha was only killing defenceless civilians, any mad man can do it, Obasanjo did it in Odi too.

What do you expect from an army that sells weapons to armed robbers and militants. The militant are  more dedicated and  committed than the corrupt Nigerian army.
Ibime (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #5 on: August 04, 2008, 09:24 PM »

To be honest, Texazzpete is correct. Nigeria can run the militants into the ground in 3 months if required - but other people may take their place. Also Nigerias oil installations are not to the the required Health and Safety standard and a war could produce results of catastrophic proportions. I once went to a place called Oloibiri in Ahoada, Rivers State. Really, that place is a health hazard. An Italian Engineer told me that if you put a match to that place, the blast will be heard all over the South-South and consume almost the whole of Ahoada. He said that even in PH, all the windows will break and the place will shake. Therefore, I don't think it is advisable for any war to be started in Niger Delta.

This is the way to go forward:

Quote from: naijaking1 on August 04, 2008, 03:28 PM
You can fight for revenue sharing formula all you want, but no formula guarantees justice for all. The best formula is no formula at all. Nigeria revenue should be from bottom up , not from top down. Untill we have a system where one group can have 1 million LGAs if they want, but the catch is that: Every person pays tax to the LGA, the LGA pays to the state, and the states pay to maintain the federal government. A pyramid is more stable when the base is grounded than when the apex is grounded.
tpia
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #6 on: August 04, 2008, 11:24 PM »

Quote from: Ibime on August 04, 2008, 09:24 PM
To be honest, Texazzpete is correct. Nigeria can run the militants into the ground in 3 months if required - but other people may take their place. Also Nigerias oil installations are not to the the required Health and Safety standard and a war could produce results of catastrophic proportions. I once went to a place called Oloibiri in Ahoada, Rivers State. Really, that place is a health hazard. An Italian Engineer told me that if you put a match to that place, the blast will be heard all over the South-South and consume almost the whole of Ahoada. He said that even in PH, all the windows will break and the place will shake. Therefore, I don't think it is advisable for any war to be started in Niger Delta.
This is the way to go forward:



hmmmm.

This Oloibiri sounds familiar, I wonder why.
Ibime (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #7 on: August 04, 2008, 11:31 PM »

Sorry, did I say Oloibiri? I meant to say Obiobi near Obrikom.
lucabrasi (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #8 on: August 04, 2008, 11:35 PM »

Quote from: texazzpete on August 04, 2008, 06:21 PM
I feel pity at you people that lull yourselves into over-estimating the strength of these millitants.

So far, all they've had working for them is the element of surprise and tactical ambushes. Were a strongman like Abacha to be in charge, and a full scale amphibious assault ordered, you'd see the carnage that'd ensue.


All i hear is the boys are in the creeks. So what you're saying is that Congo Brazzaville may well land 2000 well armed troops in the ND swamps and they'll perenially occupy a section of Nigeria, huh?

Just thank God that so far this seems to be working for them, and Yar'Adua is mindful not to allow any possibility of an 'Odi'.


i disagree,what they have going for them is not only suprice and tactical ambushes but they have the creeks and a bunch of men who are ideologically driven to fight for their right,and possibly die for it that is not to say a lot of them are not fighting purely for money,also if it was open land then they would have been wiped out a long time ago
odi was possible because they were villagers who had nothing to fear and were not hiding so you could call them a sitting target,millitants are not sitting targets so will not be easy to clear ,like odi, unless you are calling for collateral damage i think these tit for tat will continue for a very long term or maybe if theres any miracle to clear the creeks and sandfill enough land to land large troops
tpia
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #9 on: August 04, 2008, 11:50 PM »

Quote from: Ibime on August 04, 2008, 11:31 PM
Sorry, did I say Oloibiri? I meant to say Obiobi near Obrikom.

are you sure?
Jakumo (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #10 on: August 05, 2008, 11:35 AM »

As a footnote to this story on  a military HQ raid in the delta, reports have also surfaced that ALL police armories in the same area have been relieved of their contents by militant raiders, such that the policemen there are now entirely without weapons, and have thus resorted to shouting curses and shooting catapults (slingshots) at armed robbers in the hopes of scaring them off.

I see a golden opportunity for Nairaland's juju quartermasters to go and re-arm the Niger Delta police with traditional African MEANS.  Let us look inward, and forever turn our backs on white man's rifles and RPGs so as to embrace the mystic option that served our ancestors so well in their battle against enslavement by white explorers.
texazzpete (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #11 on: August 05, 2008, 11:56 AM »

Quote from: bilymuse on August 04, 2008, 09:03 PM
Now things have changed, the militant are well armed as the army, its a fight on equal footing. Abacha was only killing defenceless civilians, any mad man can do it, Obasanjo did it in Odi too.


you must really have a low opinion of your army if you think all that's in the armouries are Ak47s and general Purpose machine Guns. naturally, the odd RPG may be thrown in.

There are crack divisions in the Nigerian army that are far better equipped and trained than the drunken soldiers you see lurching all over the place.

Were i to be given command of a 10,000 strong amphibious brigade trained in Night ops and with support from helicopter gunships, it would not be an extremely difficult task to destroy every single Major millitant camp in the Delta. Naturally, one may not completely destroy this menace since recruitment from disaffected youths in the region would ensure that resistance continues. But at least a decisive offensive will kill or capture 90% of the experienced millitants in the region.

Jakumo (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #12 on: August 05, 2008, 12:19 PM »

Tex I find myself agreeing with most of your opinions, but I'm reaching for my ref whistle to call you on this assertion that helo gunships can easily annihilate an enemy that is largely hidden beneath triple canopy jungle and lurking in a watery maze that is by definition totally inaccessible to any form of mechanised infantry.

The US military took huge ambush losses in the 'Nam when they ventured into the swamps of the Mekong Delta on search and destroy missions against VC gooks, and considering that the Niger Delta covers 5 TIMES the area of the Mekong Delta, I would say that your quick-fix military solution, which may be feasible in a video game scenario, will literally be blown out of the water if tried on a large scale in the Niger Delta.  A prolonged and bloody war of attrition with mass civilian causalties is a far more likely outcome if the escalation option is pursued by the Nigerian federal government in those creeks.
idupaul
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #13 on: August 05, 2008, 12:30 PM »

 
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I know Aziza will still call them children.
texazzpete (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #14 on: August 05, 2008, 02:32 PM »

@Jakumo
The problem with your analogy is

1. the North Vietnamese and the vietcong combined numbered in the millions.
2. At that time they had strong support in terms of arms and materiel from China and the Soviet union


The strategy the North Viets used against the Americans and the South Vietnamese did not differ seriously from what they used against the french at Dien Bien Phu. Attack overwhelmingly and relentlessly and even a superior army may give ground. it worked for them, it worked for the Red Army against the well disciplined Wehrmacht. It even helped the French hold out against the Germans at verdun in WW1. However the ND millitants lack the manpower or the ideological conviction to carry out this kind of effort.

the millitants number in hundreds or a few thousands, scattered among several major bases. These bases may be camouflaged, but their location is already known to the JTF.

vegetation can easily be cleared by conventional bombs, before the gunships move in. Helicopters will provide potent force against millitant speedboats and light ships, as they will seek to bring some part of the battle to the open waters. I sincerely doubt they have acquired any modern radar guided anti-aircraft missiles, and careful helo pilots can easily evade RPG attacks.

Superiority on the sea and in the air will inevitably lead to massive offensives against their camps and bases, where any fleeing millitant may easily be rounded up.

I'll  be glad to hear any dissenting views from you!

Jakumo (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #15 on: August 05, 2008, 06:47 PM »

From all indications, Tex, crude oil is being covertly sold by the ship-load in exchange for cash AND WEAPONRY,  by militants and criminal oil smuggling gangs operating in the Niger Delta.    Those weapons are of course augmented by the recently publicized plunder of ALL police armories in the delta, such that anyone determined to put up a fight against the Nigerian army down there in the swamps would hardly need any external funding of the type that flowed from Russia and China to sustain the Viet Cong war effort against America's military giant.

Defoliation of forest trees was tried with very limited success during the Viet Nam war, when US aerial tankers sprayed Agent Orange over vast areas of the forest canopy which concealed the Ho Chi Minh Trail, that network of bush paths which served as the main conduit of military hardware from north to south Vietnam.   Decades after the end of that war, Agent Orange was determined to be a major causative factor in myriad degenerative illnesses that beset war veterans who worked with or were exposed to the defoliant.   In short, conventional or even smart GPS or laser-guided bombs have always been dropped for the purpose of blowing people up, but have a never been practical or cost-effective options for use in the defoliation of forests due to the sheer tonnage of ordnance it would take to clear even a square mile of rain-forest, talk less of that whole vast theater of war.

All told, those who know every swamp, creek and island of the Niger Delta posses a MAJOR tactical advantage over any invading force, even before the oil-for-guns trade and the sheer determination of the militants are factored in.  I do not forsee any easy military victories being won by either side in what is already a widening war of attrition, and as usual, civilians bear the brunt of cross-fire.
tpia
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #16 on: August 05, 2008, 07:13 PM »

I hope it wont get to the point where drastic measures will be employed in the Niger Delta.


because so many people will suffer and remain scarred by the memory long after the original issue.
Sky Blue
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #17 on: August 05, 2008, 08:36 PM »

Quote from: tpia on August 05, 2008, 07:13 PM
I hope it wont get to the point where drastic measures will be employed in the Niger Delta.


because so many people will suffer and remain scarred by the memory long after the original issue.

LOL, quite amusing i have to say. A sense of insecurity that was well and truly exploited by militancy and so called "freedom fighting" has given every joe 'i want to make money' the courage to take to arms and hold a state and region ransom with all the violence, kidnappings, oil bunkering, profiteering, assasinations etc, forcing business to leave the region while the indegenes as a result suffer job losses and a further decline in what was already a laughable economy in that region to begin with, while the country continues to lose money and things aren't drastic enough yet? LOL.

What is even more amusing is when you actually consider this: if the problem is people not wanting oil taken from land around them then how come the Ogoni people were able to achieve such in peace and without all this havoc and suceeded in kicking shell out of their land? Are they from mars? If the problem is derivation then won't it be wiser to actually fight for ammendments in the constitution which has SO MANY things that need to be reviewed and rectified one of which being the law that states that anything below 6 feet belongs to the federal government? Such a law is actually one of the reasons that the federal government can claim ownership to oil and is among quite a few laws that need to be rectified along with the secret act law which is actually the antithesis to the proposed 'freedom of information'.

If the problem is development then who should be fought, the state government or the federal government? I find it laughable when groups like MEND say seeing pictures of abuja and lagos developments in contrast with the Niger Delta situation is one of the reasons the so called "freedom fighting" is supported. So does that mean that if there was no development in other parts of the country that MEND and co would have been more accepting in resignation at the bad situatiion of underdevelopment, environmental degredation, etc which does exist in the Niger Delta? Take for instance now, who is developing lagos, is it the federal or the state government? Who was developing Abuja, was it not El Rufai who although was involved in questionable dealings fought to get Abuja refocused on development?Juxstapose such with Rivers State. A ring road project in a particular area has been on the table for well over a decade now. Money has been thrown around and nothing has happened. Just read a few days ago that china has gotten a $1 billion dollar contract to start and complete the project and i desperately hope it is done, but what if it isn't now, would it also be the federal government's fault?

So if it is agreed that a more fundamental approach to the main issue should be tackled and we are agreed that such lies in the constitution and rectifying its many flaws and ammending it, then what is blowing up of pipelines actually achieveing? This agression could be channeled much more effectively whereby results actually yield and yet the option that so far seems to be working apparently (according to some) is oil bunkering for profiteering and buying and introduction of more weapons in an already volatile region? I quit being frustrated at this absurdity and just resigned myself to amusment from it because it is quite funny, are we so starved of actual credible groups and avenues that we are so quick to label anybody who blows up a pipeline a "freedom fighter"? I so know what to expect in response to this post and i actually anticipate it, i don't mind being amused  Smiley. Some people will read this with one eye closed and asume that i am saying the Niger Delta has no problems, followed by being called an "imposter" (as if that has anything to do with the arguement)  infact let the blind arguements begin. LOL.
bilymuse
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #18 on: August 05, 2008, 09:25 PM »

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you must really have a low opinion of your army ,
l beg your pardon, l have absolutely no openion of them


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, a 10,000 strong amphibious brigade trained in Night ops and with support from helicopter gunships, it would not be an extremely difficult task to destroy every single Major millitant camp in the Delta.

do you understand what happen in Odi; the Nigerian army shell the town to ashes, only one building was left standing because they needed a place as their command base. the elderly , women, children were all massacre. it was like a war zone dead bodies everywhere.

ODI MARKS A TURNING POINT;
Before Odi , the militant were using cutlass, after Odi they acquired sophisticated weapons. Ever since Niger Delta has changed and would never be the same again.
tpia
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #19 on: August 05, 2008, 09:34 PM »

Quote from: bilymuse on August 05, 2008, 09:25 PM
l beg your pardon, l have absolutely no openion of them


do you understand what happen in Odi; the Nigerian army shell the town to ashes, only one building was left standing because they needed a place as their command base. the elderly , women, children were all massacre. it was like a war zone dead bodies everywhere.

ODI MARKS A TURNING POINT;
Before Odi , the militant were using cutlass, after Odi they acquired sophisticated weapons. Ever since Niger Delta has changed and would never be the same again.

@ bolded: do you know if thats the exact reason the army is holding back now?

If there were to be another turning point, do you know the extent to which people will be massacred?

bilymuse
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #20 on: August 05, 2008, 10:06 PM »


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If there were to be another turning point, do you know the extent to which people will be massacred?
l can assure you it would be different from Odi.

After Odi the people find their voice and  strenght, no power in Nigeria can take that away.

Just like Ken Saro-Wiwa( may his soul rest in peace) said before he was killed, "you can kill the messanger, but you cant kill the message"
tpia
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #21 on: August 05, 2008, 11:11 PM »

Quote from: bilymuse on August 05, 2008, 10:06 PM
l can assure you it would be different from Odi.

After Odi the people find their voice and strenght, no power in Nigeria can take that away.

Just like Ken Saro-Wiwa( may his soul rest in peace) said before he was killed, "you can kill the messanger, but you can't kill the message"



look at the larger picture.

There are millions of messages. Undecided
Ibime (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #22 on: August 06, 2008, 01:03 AM »

Quote from: Sky Blue on August 05, 2008, 08:36 PM
What is even more amusing is when you actually consider this: if the problem is people not wanting oil taken from land around them then how come the Ogoni people were able to achieve such in peace and without all this havoc and suceeded in kicking shell out of their land?


hmmmmm. . . . . . do not talk about what you do not know. A lot of Ogoni were killed by Nigerian soldiers, villagers were raided and a lot of blood was shed. The Government also pitted Ogoni against Okrika and Ogoni against Andoni in serious ethnic conflict. Even though Saro-Wiwa tried to fight by peaceful means, the Nigerian Government used military force against the people - so stop talking nonsense. 


Shell began pressurising the government to act, and military repression escalated in May 1994. On May 21, soldiers and mobile policemen appeared in most Ogoni villages, flown in on helicopters lent to them by an obliging Royal Dutch Shell.

The occupying forces, led by Major Paul Okuntimo of Rivers State Internal Security, claimed to be "searching for those directly responsible for the killings of the four Ogonis." However, witnesses say that they engaged in terror operations against the general Ogoni population. Amnesty International characterized the policy as deliberate terrorism. By mid-June, 30 villages had been completely destroyed, 600 people had been detained, and at least 40 had been killed. An eventual total of around 100,000 internal refugees and an estimated 2,000 civilian deaths was recorded.


100,000 refugees - that is 1 in 5 Ogonis. If you exclude Tai-Eleme who were not involved in the struggle, then 1 in every 4 Ogonis was made a refugee.

Yeah - very peaceful solution.
udezue (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #23 on: October 11, 2008, 10:30 AM »

Quote from: Ibime on August 06, 2008, 01:03 AM

hmmmmm. . . . . . do not talk about what you do not know. A lot of Ogoni were killed by Nigerian soldiers, villagers were raided and a lot of blood was shed. The Government also pitted Ogoni against Okrika and Ogoni against Andoni in serious ethnic conflict. Even though Saro-Wiwa tried to fight by peaceful means, the Nigerian Government used military force against the people - so stop talking nonsense. 


Shell began pressurising the government to act, and military repression escalated in May 1994. On May 21, soldiers and mobile policemen appeared in most Ogoni villages, flown in on helicopters lent to them by an obliging Royal Dutch Shell.

The occupying forces, led by Major Paul Okuntimo of Rivers State Internal Security, claimed to be "searching for those directly responsible for the killings of the four Ogonis." However, witnesses say that they engaged in terror operations against the general Ogoni population. Amnesty International characterized the policy as deliberate terrorism. By mid-June, 30 villages had been completely destroyed, 600 people had been detained, and at least 40 had been killed. An eventual total of around 100,000 internal refugees and an estimated 2,000 civilian deaths was recorded.


100,000 refugees - that is 1 in 5 Ogonis. If you exclude Tai-Eleme who were not involved in the struggle, then 1 in every 4 Ogonis was made a refugee.

Yeah - very peaceful solution.


Biko tell em.
Sky Blue
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #24 on: October 11, 2008, 10:39 AM »

Quote from: udezue on October 11, 2008, 10:30 AM

Biko tell em.

A military dictator and his regime of opression acted in an opressive like manner and this surprises you? And this is seen as a valid excuse for the subject in question? Is this not meant to be a 'democracy'? I thought this topic was long dead, i purposely did not respond to Ibime because i just found it to be a lesson in futility. To each his own.
udezue (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #25 on: October 11, 2008, 10:58 AM »

Quote from: Sky Blue on October 11, 2008, 10:39 AM
A military dictator and his regime of opression acted in an opressive like manner and this surprises you? And this is seen as a valid excuse for the subject in question? Is this not meant to be a 'democracy'? I thought this topic was long dead, i purposely did not respond to Ibime because i just found it to be a lesson in futility. To each his own.


Em what are u talking about? U lost me.
Sky Blue
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #26 on: October 11, 2008, 11:32 AM »

Quote from: udezue on October 11, 2008, 10:58 AM

Em what are u talking about? U lost me.

A poster used stats on how many people where killed by the military during the whol Saro Wiwa fiasco to make the point that the whole ;struggle' then was in fact not a peaceful one. The point i tried to actually make was that it was peaceful on the part of the Ogonis who kept putting the focus and spot light on the issue of the massive underdevelopment, environmental degradation due to operations of oil companies with no benefits seen by the indegenes, etc. Using the arguement that a military dictator in a military and opressive regime responded the way he responded just seems laughable to me. It is like expecting to see hitler win nobel peace prize.
udezue (m)
Re: Militants Attack Jtf Logistics Base, Captured Weapons
« #27 on: October 11, 2008, 11:40 AM »

Sky Blue,

Okay now I got your point and I do agree with you that the Ogoni struggle was a peaceful one but Nigeria responded with violence and mass slaughter against them and have continued the same trend with other groups such as MASSOB. I watched the video about the genocide in Ogoni land back in Nigeria as a kid. It was sickening. Nothing was left untouched. Even goats, chickens, etc were slaughtered to further punish and starve the surviving population. What a sick government.
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