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madamkoko
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #64 on: August 14, 2008, 05:27 PM »

NO ONE is Sure of anything.

There is no proof that heaven or hell exists.  (I recommend reading the greek and hebrew version of the Bible, it describes context.)

If hell exists then Nigeria has been hell for many POOR FOLKS.

If heaven exists then Nigeria has been heaven for many Politicans and Pastors. Imagine a canaanland on earth. I thought canaanland was the so called "promised land" which would be heaven.

Anyways sha, 
Queenisha
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #65 on: August 14, 2008, 05:32 PM »

@ frizy since you'll get 72 virgins,what will your wives get?

72 eunuchs? that'll be unfair,what can one do with a castrated man
72 male virgins  unfair too,women don't like inexperienced and illexperienced men?
72 men they knew here on earth who will also have 72 virgins? that'll be  plain wrong
or will they turn into one of the virgins? wrong too
or shall they be charged with washing your bedsheets after each virgin? poor things

tell me and please show me where it's written.
Frizy (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #66 on: August 14, 2008, 05:32 PM »

Quote from: Queenisha on August 14, 2008, 05:26 PM
72 only?
one guy married 100 wives right there in Nigeria
and all allah promises is 72
allah has to step up his game
The sons of men have moved higher than his figures

@Queenisha
Marrying a woman exceeding the limit of four in Islam is as though you are commiting adultery. You don't have to say all these concerning your Creator. He is Angry with this. Why not please Him?
mazaje (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #67 on: August 14, 2008, 05:33 PM »

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Hey 72 virgins a sham??
What then do you say about streets of Gold in christian heaven?? The more converts you get, the more stars to your crown, right?? So your heaven still does not promise ann egalitarian society in the afterlife.Talk about sham.

Puhleeeze!!

All religions are shams  

you can say that again, imagine the pot calling the kettle black. Grin Grin if heaven is real when then why must people die before they get there? Grin Grin. heaven and hell are the only places people have to die to visit. i repeat i have seen muslims and christains who have claimed to have been to heaven and all i know is that they are both wrong since they can not all be telling the truth.

all religions are a sham.
Queenisha
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #68 on: August 14, 2008, 05:35 PM »

Quote from: Frizy on August 14, 2008, 05:32 PM
@Queenisha
Marrying a woman exceeding the limit of four in Islam is as though you are commiting adultery. You don't have to say all these concerning your Creator. He is Angry with this. Why not please Him?

exceeding one is adultery
even in Morocco
Frizy (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #69 on: August 14, 2008, 08:07 PM »

Quote from: Queenisha on August 14, 2008, 05:32 PM
@ frizy since you'll get 72 virgins,what will your wives get?

72 eunuchs? that'll be unfair,what can one do with a castrated man
72 male virgins  unfair too,women don't like inexperienced and illexperienced men?
72 men they knew here on earth who will also have 72 virgins? that'll be plain wrong
or will they turn into one of the virgins? wrong too
or shall they be charged with washing your bedsheets after each virgin? poor things

tell me and please show me where it's written.


Olabowale as said it all. Men who attain paradise will be given 72 virgins each. While there many Christian scholars that see this immoral, Muslims don't because we have refrained from lust and lewdness in the life of this world. I must say is a fair compensation from God Himself.
Women who attain paradise will appear to be much more beautiful than the heavenly made virgins, all looking radiant. Better than the plastic surgery done by pop-stars aiming to satisty the youth culture. Tongue

Women don't need 72 virgin men. What one man can do to her is just enough. We no go tire(Insha Allahu). Cheesy

Now to the source check the Koran, there many places where Allah promises virgins and maidens for companion and Mohammed(pbuh) the prophet said this in hadiths generally accepted in the Muslim Ummah that they are 72 in number.

Bottomline, why don't fall among the women discussed in line 5? Undecided
olabowale (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #70 on: August 14, 2008, 08:11 PM »

@Queenisha: « #65 on: Today at 05:32:13 PM »  
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@ frizy since you'll get 72 virgins,what will your wives get?

72 eunuchs? that'll be unfair,what can one do with a castrated man
72 male virgins  unfair too,women don't like inexperienced and illexperienced men?
72 men they knew here on earth who will also have 72 virgins? that'll be  plain wrong
or will they turn into one of the virgins? wrong too
or shall they be charged with washing your bedsheets after each virgin? poor things

tell me and please show me where it's written.

The situation in Paradise is difference, from your carnal earthly mind. (I have to get you on the carnal thing. lol).

Any woman whose husband ends up in hell, and she ends up in paradise, will not have any relationship with the man.
In Paradise, she will find the best of mate. There is no jealousy in heaven. And the energy of the people of paradise is
always full. People are not fatiqued, in Paradise. All are satisfied. Join the in-crowd.





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exceeding one is adultery
even in Morocco

The moroccans are copying your Christian ways. And I know many Moroccans who have more than 1 wife.

But lady, why showing this jealousy side of you? You are the same woman that you said you do not want
hip replacement, or dislocation of joints (bone and socket, and others) in the past when we broched this
Man woman relationship, from Islamic perspective. There should be a resident bearded man. Tell him to
grow some, just for experimentation.
MrCrackles (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #71 on: August 15, 2008, 08:50 AM »

Quote from: Queenisha on August 14, 2008, 05:26 PM
72 only?
one guy married 100 wives right there in Nigeria
and all allah promises is 72
allah has to step up his game
The sons of men have moved higher than his figures

Haba Queenie, the Mallam na 84 wey him marry ooo! Grin
Queenisha
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #72 on: August 16, 2008, 12:10 AM »

Quote from: Brash! on August 15, 2008, 08:50 AM
Haba Queenie, the Mallam na 84 wey him marry ooo! Grin

Oh na 84?
here I was dashing him more
Chrisbenogor (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #73 on: August 16, 2008, 11:52 AM »

All religions and the divisions within them reek with the smell of deceit for all ye catholics take note that the church LEADERS have decided that you can be a muslim and make heaven since you all have the same roots which is Abraham, nice move by them but that will not raise the dust to  cover my eyes from seeing that all you try to do is to out maneuver yourselves as to who  will make it. The protestants who the catholics say have no commission from God will prove to you including joining 2 non connecting verses in the bible like Genesis 1:2 and Jeremiah 4:23 together just so that they can make their point. The truth is that the earth could never have been created the way genesis said plus most of the stories in the bible like the noah flood could not just have been possible. The earth is 4.5 billion years old what religion has an answer for that, the people that wrote genesis never knew that a 5.8 million year old fossil would be dug out in ethiopia!
So when you guys tell me you believe I just wonder.   
Okija_juju (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #74 on: August 16, 2008, 11:58 AM »

They believe in Heaven and yet they don't believe in Santa clause and the tooth fairy.  Huh

how sad.
rodgertutt (m)
If you cannot love an eternal torment god
« #75 on: August 16, 2008, 09:04 PM »

If you cannot love an eternal torment god

For the first 500 years after Christ, universalism was the prevailing doctrine believed and taught by the Christian church.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.shtml
 
Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years

The author, J.W. Hanson wrote “The purpose of this book is to present some of the evidence of the prevalence in the early centuries of the Christian church, of the doctrine of the final holiness of all mankind. The author believes that the following pages show that Universal Restitution was the faith of the early Christians for at least the First Five Hundred Years of the Christian era. He has aimed to present irrefragable proofs that the doctrine of Universal Salvation was the prevalent sentiment of the primitive Christian church.

The salient statements and facts in all which will be found in these pages show that the most and ablest of the early fathers found the deliverance of all mankind from sin and sorrow specifically revealed in the Christian Scriptures.” And they were reading the Bible in its original language.

This online book also explains why and how this changed.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/DoctrineOfRetribution.htm

Up until now, after reading this post, many believers in eternal torment have said something like, “I truly sympathize with your sufferings, but it’s what the Bible says that matters, not whether or not it makes you suffer.” That’s why I want to say right at the outset that many of the links posted here show that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation.

I’m 69 years old. The idea that God lets anyone suffer forever has caused me more suffering, including a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78, than all the other sufferings of my life combined.
 
This suffering was caused by the fear produced by not being able to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever and wondering what this god would do to me for not being able to love him. Even though I was and am trusting for my salvation in what Jesus accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross, I was, and still am unable to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Here are testimonies similar to mine.
 
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html 
 
If you are like me and cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.
 
THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD
 
If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into the address bar.
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm
 
At the top and bottom of that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there is the following link to fourteen other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject.
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm

Don’t kid yourself. If anyone suffers forever JESUS IS DOING IT TO THEM

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm

THE GOD THAT CALVINIST AND ARMINIAN ETERNAL TORMENTORS PROFESS TO LOVE

The eternal torment theology of the Arminian Christian relies on so-called “free will” and luck.

The god that Arminian eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures

“Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment forever.”

The eternal torment theology of the Calvinist Christian relies on God alone, not “free will” at all. It is summed up by the word TULIP: Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and the Perseverance of the elect.

The god that Calvinistic eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures

"I created most of you for the purpose of torturing you forever. However, I am going to choose a few of you undeserving ones to go to heaven where you will be happy forever." John Calvin said there will be infants a span long in hell because they were not among the elect. (A span is the distance between the tip of the thumb to the tip of the little finger.)

And then both the Arminian and Calvinistic eternal tormentors say that the feelings that they have for this god of theirs is “love.”

To read a description of eternal torment combination Calv-Arminianism see
ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html

This next url sums up the end result of all three
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm

Without God’s sustaining power everyone would cease to exist.
So if anyone were to suffer forever, our all-powerful God (Who is Love in essence, not just loving) would be fully 100% responsible for it. We would have to conclude that any definition of the manifestation of  “love-in-essence” includes eternally sustaining people alive in an inescapable state of suffering. What a travesty; what a revolting definition of love it is that God, Who is love personified, would grant any creature a will so strong that they can choose themselves into an irreversible state of never ending suffering (Arminian), or they deserve to suffer forever just by being born into the human race (Calvinist)!

Thank God the Bible does not teach such an insane idea! Yes, God is just but He is not justice personified. However, God is Love personified. That is why He will temper all of His administrating of justice only to be for the good of the individual being judged.

Here is what the God that universal transformationists love and worship with complete abandon will do. He will complete the process of salvation for the first fruits of election, (the remnant chosen by grace), after the first resurrection. Then He will complete the process of salvation for the non-elect after the great white throne judgment. For some, it will include an experience in the lake of fire.

Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead to guarantee that any necessary "kolasis aionian" (age-during corrective chastisement) will be 100% effective in changing wrong attitudes. All acts of sin have been forgiven for everyone. Attitudes cannot be forgiven. Attitudes must change. This is what the lake of fire which is the second death will do. It will last no longer than God sees is good for everyone involved.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/TheLakeOfFire-Eby.html
 
You can Google up good articles on this subject by typing in kolasis aionian

Also see

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm 

For anyone who cannot love an endless-hell god ---
BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST RESOURCES

Copy and paste the following urls into the address bar

http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html

http://www.christianuniversalist.org

Also see

Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation,

http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html 

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html   

(If necessary, copy and paste them into your address bar)

and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation.

Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of http://www.tentmaker.org  and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages.

The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page at   http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/

and the many entries at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm
show just how much this information is helping people.

Also see http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html

This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78, and it gives me great joy to keep learning that it is helping more and more other people too!! I’m 69

I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. His name is Charles Slagle.
He responds to the question, "Which view of salvation is true?"

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html
Chrisbenogor (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #76 on: August 17, 2008, 08:36 AM »

@rodgertutt I feel you man thats why I say religion is very bogus is just what a few learned used to control the many ignorant. As part of my research though I would love to hear of your personal experience have you got an email address we can use.
simmy (m)
Re: How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?
« #77 on: August 17, 2008, 08:53 AM »



1. The truth is that no one can prove his religion right or anybody else's wrong! thats y religion is termed a faith! not a science
2. Everyone is allowed to believe what he wants to believe
3. Personally, i believe if i want to believe in something, it should make some sense and be consistent
4. For those who can't understand a God that ll torment humans forever, please be at rest. Go will not torment you forever, He'll just remove you from his prescence forever and thats a Xtians defintion of hell! peronally i believe whether you re a Christian or not eternl seperation from God is spiritual death and ince a spirit is not supposed to die, such a spirit lives in its own peronal hell
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