Hell:a Bundle Of Lies.

@ IDINRETE, stand where?

you are busy hailing zino ben,and am yet to read your own post on the thread.

@  topic

See my previous post on hell

As for the fire Please read:

Isa 66:23   And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," says YAHAWAH.


Eze 39:6 "And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I am YAHAWAH.

Isa 66:16   For by fire and by His sword YAHAWAH will judge all flesh; and the slain of YAHAWAH shall be many.
 
Isa 66:17   "Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,to go to the gardens after a god(el) in the midst,eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall be consumed together," says YAHAWAH.
 
Isa 66:18   "For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory.

Isa 66:19   "I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Yavan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles.

Isa 66:20   "Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to YAHAWAH out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says YAHAWAH, "as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of YAHAWAH.

Isa 66:21   "And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites," says YAHAWAH.
 
Isa 66:22   "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make shall remain before Me," says YAHAWAH,"So shall your descendants and your name remain.

Isa 66:23   And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," says YAHAWAH.
 
Isa 66:24   "And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, and their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."


Isa 24:4   The earth mourns and fades away, the world languishes and fades away;The haughty people of the earth languish.

Isa 24:5   The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws,changed the ordinance,broken the everlasting covenant.

Isa 24:6   Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, and those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left.
Salamah
Yisraylite

@poetikalz

Hmm, so much anger and hate and so little intelligence to back it up


Wow all of a sudden, we have left the bible and moved to a spiritual scientific world where by we have to levitate or fly to a higher spiritual dimension which our earthly intelligence cannot analyse, hmm

Let me get this straight. We have to leave this planet and think more like the aliens in mars or angels in planet heaven and we can't do that till we levitate to their level, wow, then what are we doing here on earth? can't we just all move to this spiritual world and leave everything here including our cars, businesses, buildings, lands etc all because we have to move to this 3rd dimensional spiritual world.

I hope you read what you just wrote over and over again because frankly speaking, this has to be one of the densest things i have ever heard.


Yes i am, next question


hmm, 6 billion people on the planet. 4 million don't believe in christianity. That's almost 70% of the world population that doesnt believe in a the contraption called christ. Whose wiser now. You or the rest of the world

Anyway there are too many silly things in your post that makes me want to ignore them in all totality but what got me interested in this post was that you used biblical authorities to back up your lame excuses about god and jesus.

For once don't ever under estimate my knowledge of this fallacy called the bible. I might choose to use sarcasm and ridicule to buttress my point but when it comes to citing these authorities to show how immature, silly and idiotic the bible is, i wont hesistate to humilate you with your own bible.

You talk so glowingly about your god and how intelligent he is. Well for starters, i will break it down to you supported with biblical authorities to show how erroneous your belief and statements are:



Christian Apologists, pastors, jehovah witnesses and so called nairaland christians wonder how I can be wicked enough to attack the Bible.

I will tell them: This book, the Bible, has persecuted, even unto death, the wisest and the best. This book stayed and stopped the onward movement of the human race. This book poisoned the fountains of learning and misdirected the energies of man.

This book is the enemy of freedom, the support of slavery.  This book sowed the seeds of hatred in families and nations, fed the flames of war, and impoverished the world. This book is the breastwork of kings and tyrants -- the enslaver of women and children.  This book has corrupted governments,parliaments and courts.  This book has made colleges and universities the teachers of error and the haters of science.  This book has filled Christendom with hateful, cruel, ignorant and warring sects. This book taught men to kill their fellows for religion's sake.  This book funded the Inquisition, invented the instruments of torture, built the dungeons in which the good and loving languished, forged the chains that rusted in their flesh, erected the scaffolds whereon they died. This book piled fagots about the feet of the just.  This book drove reason from the minds of millions and filled the asylums with the insane.

This book has caused fathers and mothers to shed the blood of their babes.  This book was the auction block on which the slave- mother stood when she was sold from her child. This book filled the sails of the slave-trader and made merchandise of human flesh. This book lighted the fires that burned "witches" and "wizards." This book filled the darkness with ghouls and ghosts, and the bodies of men and women with devils. This book polluted the souls of men with the infamous dogma of eternal pain. This book made credulity the greatest of virtues, and investigation the greatest of crimes. This book filled nations with hermits, monks and nuns -- with the pious and the useless. This book placed the ignorant and unclean saint above the philosopher and philanthropist. This book taught man to despise the joys of this life, that he might be happy in another -- to waste this world for the sake of the next.

I attack this book because it is the enemy of human liberty -- the greatest obstruction across the highway of human progress.

Let me ask you and your fellow christian apologists one question: How can you be wicked enough to defend this horrid and nauseating book called the bible?

PAUL SAID, "god is not the author of confusion," (I Corinthians 14:33), yet never has a book produced more confusion than the bible! There are hundreds of denominations and sects, all using the "inspired Scriptures" to prove their conflicting doctrines.

Why do trained theologians differ? Why do educated translators disagree over Greek and Hebrew meanings? Why all the confusion? Shouldn't a document that was "divinely inspired" by an omniscient and omnipotent deity be as clear as possible?

Many of the defensive attempts are arguments from silence. I will use the instance of women to illustrate how silly this bible and god is. For you women that are always at the vanguard of defending such an idiotic faith, this is to you and remember i didnt say it, but your bible commanded this to be done to you.


Organized religion always has been and remains the greatest enemy of women's rights. In the Christian-dominated Western world, two bible verses in particular sum up the position of women:

"I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."--Genesis 3:16

By this third chapter of Genesis, woman lost her rights, her standing--even her identity, and motherhood became a God-inflicted curse degrading her status in the world.

In the New Testament, the bible decrees:

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 Tim. 2:11-14

(Why then do women speak when men talk? Arent you contravening this part of the bible)

One bible verse alone, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (Exodus 22:18) is responsible for the death of tens of thousands, if not millions, of women. Do women and those who care about them need further evidence of the great harm of Christianity, predicated as it has been on these and similar teachings about women?

Martin Luther decreed: "If a woman grows weary and at last dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing, she is there to do it."

"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of woman's emancipation."

The various Christian churches fought tooth and nail against the advancement of women, opposing everything from women's right to speak in public, to the use of anesthesia in childbirth (since the bible says women must suffer in childbirth) and woman's suffrage. Today the most organized and formidable opponent of women's social, economic and sexual rights remains organized religion. Religious fanatics and bullies are currently engaged in an outright war of terrorism and harassment against women who have abortions and the medical staff which serves them. Those seeking to challenge inequities and advance the status of women today are fighting a massive coalition of fundamentalist Protestant and Catholic churches and religious groups mobilized to fight women's rights, gay rights, and secular government.

Why do women remain second-class citizens? Why is there a religion-fostered war against women's rights? Because the bible is a handbook for the subjugation of women. The bible establishes woman's inferior status, her "uncleanliness," her transgressions, and God-ordained master/servant relationship to man. Biblical women are possessions: fathers own them, sell them into bondage, even sacrifice them. The bible sanctions rape during wartime and in other contexts. Wives are subject to Mosaic-law sanctioned "bedchecks" as brides, and male jealousy fits and no-notice divorce as wives. The most typical biblical labels of women are "harlot" and "whore." They are described as having evil, even satanic powers of allurement. Contempt for women's bodies and reproductive capacity is a bedrock of the bible. The few role models offered are stereotyped, conventional and inadequate, with bible heroines admired for obedience and battle spirit. Jesus scorns his own mother, refusing to bless her, and issues dire warnings about the fate of pregnant and nursing women.

There are more than 200 bible verses that specifically belittle and demean women. Here are just a few:

Genesis  2:22  Woman created from Adam's rib 
 3:16  Woman cursed: maternity a sin, marriage a bondage 
 19:1-8  Rape virgins instead of male angels 

Exodus  20:17  Insulting Tenth Commandment, considering a wife to be property 
 21:7-11  Unfair rules for female servants, may be sex slaves 
 22:18  "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" 
 38:8  Women may not enter tabernacle they must support 


Leviticus  12:1-14  Women who have sons are unclean 7 days 
 12:4-7  Women who have daughters are unclean 14 days 
 15:19-23  Menstrual periods are unclean 
 19:20-22  If master has sex with engaged woman, she shall be scourged 


Numbers  1:2  Poll of people only includes men 
 5:13-31  Barbaric adulteress test 
 31:16-35  "Virgins" listed as war booty 


Deuteronomy  21:11-14  Rape manual 
 22:5  Abomination for women to wear men's garments, vice-versa 
 22:13-21  Barbaric virgin test 
 22:23-24  Woman raped in city, she & her rapist both stoned to death 
 22:28-29  Woman must marry her rapist 
 24:1  Men can divorce woman for "uncleanness," not vice-versa 
 25:11-12  If woman touches foe's privates, her hand shall be cut off 


Judges  11:30-40  Jephthah's nameless daughter sacrificed 
 19:22-29  Concubine sacrificed to rapist crowd to save man 


I Kings  11:1-4  King Solomon had 700 wives & 300 concubines 


Job  14:1-4  "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one . . ." 


Proverbs  7:9-27  Evil women seduce men, send them to hell 
 11:22  One of numerous Proverbial putdowns 


Isaiah  3:16-17  God scourges, rapes haughty women 


Ezekiel  16:45  One of numerous obscene denunciations 


Matthew  24:19  "[woe] to them that are with child" 


Luke  2:22  Mary is unclean after birth of Jesus 


I Corinthians  11:3-15  Man is head of woman; only man in God's image 
 14:34-35  Women keep in silence, learn only from husbands 


Ephesians  5:22-33  "Wives, submit . . ." 


Colossians  3:18  More "wives submit" 


I Timothy  2:9  Women adorn selves in shamefacedness 
 2:11-14  Women learn in silence in all subjection; Eve was sinful, Adam blameless 


Why should women--and the men who honor women--respect and support religions which preach women's submission, which make women's subjugation a cornerstone of their theology?

When attempts are made to base laws on the bible, women must beware. The constitutional principle of separation between church and state is the only sure barrier standing between women and the bible.


LE 15:19 A woman who is menstruating is unclean. Anyone who touches her is unclean.

LE 15:20 Anything which a woman who is menstruating sits on or lies on is unclean.

LE 15:21 Anyone who touches the bed of a woman who is menstruating must wash his clothes and bathe, and is unclean until evening.

LE 15:22 Anyone who touches anything which was sat upon by a woman who is menstruating must wash his clothes and bathe, and is unclean until evening.

LE 15:24 If a man lies with a woman who is menstruating and any of her discharge touches him, he is unclean for seven days. Any bed he lies on is also unclean.

LE 15:28 After her flow stops, a woman who was menstruating must count off seven days before she is considered clean again. On the eighth day, she must present two birds to the priest for an atonement for having had a menstrual discharge.

LE 21:9 If a priest's daughter becomes a prostitute, she is to be burnt with fire.
LE 27:3-7 Males are more valuable than females.
DT 22:5 One must not wear the clothing of the opposite sex.
DT 22:23-24 A betrothed virgin who is seduced in the city is to be put to death unless she cries for help.

DT 22:28-29 A virgin who is raped must marry her rapist (if they are "found").
DT 24:1-4 A man may divorce his wife simply because she displeases him.
1CO 14:34-35 Women are to be silent in church. If they have any questions, they are to ask their husbands at home. It is a shame for women to speak in church.
1TI 2:9, 1PE 3:3 Women should not braid their hair, or wear gold or pearls or costly attire.

1TI 2:11-12 Women are to learn in silence (from men) in all submissiveness.

1TI 2:12 Women are not permitted to teach or have authority over men.




LE 21:14 A priest (or descendant of Aaron) must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, a woman who has been defiled, or a harlot, but only a virgin.


Now before you open your mouth to say rubbish and defend such an absurd book, you should realise that these are the inspired words of prophets of god whom you worship and adore. Remember that no part of the bible should be read in isolation. It is the holy bible and it is this bible that you use to cast out demons, pray everyday, use to heal so called sick people and used to prosper your own economic gains.

This verses are from the one and only HOLY BIBLE and no other source. Most Christian Women who fill churches to the brim and act as agents of these churches have not read their bible thoroughly. The bible demeans them, makes them stupid creatures, even a goat or sheep is supposed to have more respect than women. They are to be used as foot stools of men and objects of sex only. It is all there in the bible and you cannot claim ignorance of it.

You might be used to the only popular ones like john 3:16 or love your neiighbour as your self but i read the bible well,  the bible has told and instructed me to treat women like sh***t and they are first class irritants to the society.

don't get angry with me for looking down on women as scums of the earth, instead ask your all intelligent and wise god why women have to be dominated by men in such a horrible way. Your god wrote it. In fact i think i have to turn into a christian back so that i have every excuse to treat women like this and say "I am only obeying the word of god because the holy bible said so"

So please try and defend these passages. don't come back with that tired excuse of it was the old law, remember i also posted ones from the new testament. Please come and explain how intelligent these words are and how inspiring they are especially to women folk.

If it was indeed the old law, then god definately did not see the future that feminism would overtake such a horrid and unintelligent book written by barbarian illiterates hiding under the diguise of inspired prophets of god.


And you said the devil is bad, lol, Trust me the devil can do no worse to women than what god has done already, 

What crock of sh***t, pssff! 

here are more lurid passages from the bible about women and the attrocities of the hebrew god.
One other mistreatment by omission should come to mind upon completion of reading the Pentateuch: the failure to mention the explicit impermissibility of sexual relations between fathers and daughters. The only such instance that comes to mind is the record of Lot’s daughters getting him drunk to become pregnant by him (Genesis 19:30-38). However, the author tells the story using disturbingly tranquil commentary. Had God considered this a reprehensible act, one would assume that it would be noted in some way for its distastefulness. In fact, Moses provides a long list of people with whom we are not to have sexual contact in Leviticus 20:10-21, but noticeably absent from this list is the debauchery of a father with his daughter. We also know from previous analyses that daughters are the sole property of their fathers. Finally, we can safely assume that these father-daughter relationships existed thousands of years ago, as they secretly do now. The omission of this regulation can only lead to the conclusion that it was permissible, or at least somewhat condonable, for a father to rape his daughters.

      The historical books, Joshua through Esther, begin the popular trend of multiple-wife lifestyles. Among those who have several wives and/or concubines are Gideon, Elkanah, David, Rehoboam, Abijah, and Solomon, who I believe is the winner with 700 wives and 300 concubines. Even so, divinely inspired biblical authors wholeheartedly claim that God looks upon these men favorably. Would we expect God to view these individuals in a positive light if this lifestyle was displeasing to the almighty?

      We find several more cruelties perpetrated against women in these historical books. Such atrocities include a woman given away as a prize (Judges 1:12-13); a woman offered as a sacrifice (Judges 11:29-39); married daughters given to other people (Judges 15:2); rape, murder, and mutilation by a mob; (Judges 19:22-30); abduction of virgins (Judges 21:7-23); purchasing of wives (Ruth 4:10 and 1 Samuel 18:25-27); and God punishing David by allowing his son to sleep with his wives and concubines, an act for which the women were later imprisoned (2 Samuel 12:11-12, 16:22, 20:3).

      If you read the book of Proverbs, you will find more sayings than I care to list that reiterate how women can be evil, strange, adulterous, foolish, contentious, etc. The book concludes with an observation on the rarity of a virtuous woman. According to the author, if you find one such woman, she’s worth far more than rubies (Proverbs 31:10). Enlightened readers, on the other hand, should quickly realize that all humans are more valuable than material possessions, regardless of their sex, color, or creed.

      The books of prophecy, Isaiah through Malachi, have the most vivid images of God tormenting women. Some examples of God’s actions not previously covered include the giving away of people’s wives (Jeremiah 8:10), justifying a woman being raped (Jeremiah 13:22), making men “become as women” (Jeremiah 50:37), denouncing menstruation (Ezekiel 18:6), telling Hosea to acquire a wife that he knew would be purchased (Hosea 3:1-2), aborting children in their mothers’ wombs (Hosea 9:11-12 and 13:16), ridiculing an army by labeling them women (Nahum 3:13), and taking part in a war concluding with women being raped (Zechariah 11:4). Again, I don’t feel there’s any reason to worry over such matters because none of this will ever happen due to direct intervention by the fictitious version of God depicted in the Old Testament.

of all the atrocities being commited by your hebrew god on innocent men, women and children this is the only thing you can talk against abi? instead of providing justification to all the lurid and manovalent action of your hebrew god which i believe you know you can't you are here trying to look for escape route. . . . . . . . . .

How is it an atrocity for me to give out my own daughter in marriage?  Was that not how many political families and old royal families conducted alliances through marriage?

@mazaje,

I was actually looking forward to a dialogue so we could have reasoned things through in an amicable manner.

I actually looked up the verses you quoted before asking the initial question in my reply: it so happens that the one verse I cited infact did not say what you confidently asserted. That you believed it might have been so, was the reason I asked that question. From davidylan's repostes above, it is obvious that the verses you cited were misapplied.

Anyway, do have a wonderful evening.

@mazaje,


Well, misapplying verses to say what they do not say actually does not justify your arguments.


I'm learning everyday to be open to people and engage them in reasoned exchange of ideas. So welcome anytime.

i very much agree to that i will try to understand the meaning of the passage before i post next time  to avoid misapplication, now back to the topic of discussion i believe that hell is a bundle of lies and i want you to prove me wrong. . . . . . . .

such "topics" are meaningless when you can't depend on the protagonists to be straightforward. It is evident that much of what you people post here is lazily copied from the webpages of other people who themselves are guilty of shoddy and shady attempts to paint the God of the old testament black.
Infact, you inadvertently exposed the fact that YOU have not even READ the verses you so proudly posted earlier.

Maybe if you took the time to go and read the bible YOURSELF instead of ferreting for false allegations via google you wont be asking us back to the topic whose basic premise you don't even understand.

@mazaje,

Sorry about my slow response . . . I wuz reading through another lengthy thread. Anyhow. . .


Appreciated.


Well, I have tried a few times to read the previous entries so as to appreciate each person's perspective on the subject. My style is not to try to "prove" anything to anybody, even though the Biblical teaching about Hell is not a bundle lies.

What strikes me is that the argument falls either way on just one premise: the ability to grasp the substance of the subject in its varied contexts. The first thing that caught my attention was the OP:


If "Hell" was a lie simply argued away on the basis of some "fear", does james1 not clearly see that he was contradicting his own arguement by linking "love" and "damnation" in one breathe?

It is simply laughable for some to denounce the idea of a scary damnable place called hell - and yet, they can be comfortable enough to speak about "eternal damnation" without qualms. Tell me, what's the difference between one's man's damnation and another's "eternal damnation"? None. . . for both are on the same boat! In other words, the OP was swallowing the same thing he tried to denounce! As davidylan said earlier: "such "topics" are meaningless when you can't depend on the protagonists to be straightforward." True.

Okay, on a serious note, I'd like to ask one question for starters:


Does the term "everlasting fire" mean the same thing as a "grave"?

@mazaje

Lol, see as they are attacking my fellow freethinker without any support. I feel like bringing the nuclear bomb to shut them up now but i'll allow you have all the fun for now. If i come back and i still see they havent given up, then walahi, i would decimate them piece by piece until they get to hell (No pun intended there)!

I have read through the whole post and it really baffled me that a man at this age and time could deny or refuse to believe that hell/heaven exist. h\Have you ever asked yourself how the whole earth came into existence? How the stars, the moon, the sky and also the chemistry behind day and night. I know you all havnt.

@poster, to your question, i can't really convince you otherwise cause you have really reached a point of no return. if you don't believe in spirit, then what powers the real you?

As for the location or exixtence of hell and heaven. i can prove to you the existence of heaven and hell.

In the book of Gen 11:1-9,

it speaks about man trying to build a tower which can reach heaven so that they can see God, but God destroyed their plans. That singular act gave birth to the numerous languages we speak today. if their was no heaven would God have stopped them? NO, since today airoplanes fly in the sky.

Also read Gen 6 - Gen 9.

This place talks about God destroying the earth through flood. God spoke to Noah telling him to preach and convince the world that he would rain judgement upon the earth. but they all laughed him off. It truely came to pass. So God now decided that he would send his son JESUS to prepare the way for the final judgemnt.

BUT lets go back to the beginging of creation.

LUCIFER (satan/devil) was God's right hand man, but greed overtook lucifer and he wanted to be like God, so God pushed him out of heaven and sent him into the bootomless pit together with his followers.

SO God decided to make man in GOD's image (Gen 1), but before then God created the whole UNIVERSE, and put man to have dominion over all creature and beast (lucifer and his followers) as a continiuos punishment for lucifer (devil/satan), But lucifer decieved eve and man literally gave his authority to the devil.

So as a punishment man has to toil for everything he owns which was not the original plan of God. But God later forgave man and sent his son (who was without sin) to die so that he can go and defeat the devil inorder to gain back mans dominion over satan. which he did. But the only waywe can have that dominion is if accept Jesus and live a righteous life. But before Jesus ascended back to heaven he charged his disciples to spread the gospel to man because he will come back and take the righeous ones.

the book of Revelation speaks about the second coming of jesus, where all the righteous one who are dead would rise again and go with him to heaven together with ones alive who are rigtheous.

when a man dies, his spirit goes to God for judgement, that would determine where you would end up. if you are unrighteous you would go to hell the botomless pit.

After the second coming of jesus, those that are alive and were found wanting would suffer tormentation and affliction from the devil for seven years and those who still fail to obtain the mark of the beast would escape the final judgement upon the earth, which is eternally BURNING.

So my friends HELL is REAL , mind you the book of revelation was A VISION by JOHN, God took JOHN to hell and heaven. In our generation some people were also taken to see the gates of HELL. it is real. HELL IS NOT FAR FROM HEAVEN BUT THERE IS A BIG GULP BETWEEEN HEAVEN AND HELL.

PLEASE REPENT HELL IS REAL. if you mess up and die, YOU WILL GO TO HELL AND YOUCANT COME BACK AND TELL YOUR TALE.

There is probably no more abused word than the above in highlights. Zino Ben, have you ever asked yourself who a freethinker really is?
Do you perchance assume that christians cannot think? i happen to know that quite a lot of inventors, scientists and nobel laureates have been jews and christians. you would agree with me that science has a lot to do with thinking no?

A freethinker you are not, an athiest would be a more appropriate label. Thank you.

lol see the kettle calling the pot black. . . . . . i wont lie i have misinterpreted some passages of the bible to buttress my claims some times but who has'nt? even your educated bible translators are still fighting over the true meaning of words uptil today, they choose and modify words that are acceptable to people when their true and original meanings will scare people away. why do we have over 30,000 sects of christianity each fighting and slandering each other even though most of them are all using the same text. why all the confusion and in fighting?

As far as no longer in the mood to debate me (running away) you are very free to do that. íf you are to be truthful  to your self you will see that i have quoted the bible so many times right on point but you refused to answer those because you know can't instead you digress and attack where you believe your rhetorics are strong.

@ mazaje,

if you are not christian, then i don't see why that should bother you. Please i would like to plea with you as a friend to drop this your idealogy because it would lead you into destruction. if you don't believe in heaven and hell or God and his powers then you should shut up. don't go start accussing GOD of any misdoings. Because if God should turn and look at you men it wont be funny.

INFACT MAZAJE WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT< NON OF YOUR WORDS OR ACCUZATIONS OR PROVES WOULD CHANGE WHO GOD IS. HE IS STILL THE SAME AND WOULD FOREVER REMAIN THE SAME.

if you say there is no hell, then where would your spirit be when you evetually die?. HOW did the world came into existence?