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tpia
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TO BABYOSISI:
I'm a Yoruba guy and have found this thread very informative and educational. If you don't mind, I'D like to ask you to throw some light on the following if you can:
Yoruba's have lived in present-day Benin republic and Togo, centuries before the whiteman came to Africa. Similarly, some Hausa and Kanuri people have villages and have lived in Niger republic before the arrival of Europeans on the scene. I beleive some Hausa people found themselves in Ghana after the scramble and partition by the European colonialists, likewise Fulanis are in many countries in West Africa. Now my question is about Ibo's, are they found in any other African nation as a result of the scramble and partition of Africa? Or are Ibo people only indigenous to Nigeria?
You informed input on this will be appreciated.
There are Igbo people in Cameroun, and possibly parts of Central Africa. I'm not sure if the Igbo in Central Africa are recent immigrants or not. ***sorry, I just noticed your question was directed at Babyosisi*** |
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babyosisi (f)
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I've also heard of a camerounian group that are Igbos though I've never met one.
Wouldn't suprise me since Cameroon borders the east.
I hear some bakassi people are Igbo so that would explain it.
You know Haiti was the first black nation to achieve independence.
I have heard from several Haitians who when I told them I was Ibo that there is an area in Haiti that claim to be Ibos of West Africa.
They actually have some Igboid words,I just don't remember them.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Igbo kwenu.
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lioness (f)
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i hope to come back to the thread with some kool facts soon  |
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ayoeze11 (m)
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@Liones, waiting 4 your fact, u know the topic revolve around you
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Bring on the facts, greetings everybody, Igbo kwenu.
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babyosisi (f)
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lioness are the wedding bells finally ringing?
what could be better news.
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imiaimia
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What everyone here needs to realize is that the British created the ribes of Nigeria. Yes, you heard me right. Igbos and Yorubas especially--the BRitish lumped together people with similar (but NOT identical) languages. cultures, and customs. And sometimes, the dialects could not be understood at all by another "Yoruba" or "Igbo." The Delta people, and the traditional people of Onitsha and Aboh, have many different customs than the majority of Ibo people. Sometimes these western, ikwerre, ika, delta, etc. people are referred to as "Ibos." Yes minus, the gb. However, the people on the East side of the Niger in Onitsha and Aboh were more assimilated into the greater Igbo culture. The main differences between Igbo and Ibo are: they speak different dialects; many ibos claim descent from the benin kingdom; Ibos lived in market towns and had kings (Obis, derived from "Oba"), while Igbos lived in farming communities with a council of elders. Igbos were indigenes, while Ibos were outsiders who later came to be assimilated, a process sped up by the British.
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imiaimia
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Ikwerre people not always referring to themselves as Igbos happened LONG before the civil war. People need to stop blaming the civil war for everything that they consider a problem. Please, I'm just making a point. Do not shout at me o.
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Zahymaka (m)
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Ikwerre people not always referring to themselves as Igbos happened LONG before the civil war. People need to stop blaming the civil war for everything that they consider a problem. Please, I'm just making a point. Do not shout at me o.
Thank you my sister [or is it brother]. My mother [she's Yoruba] grew up in Ashaka [an Ukwuani speaking village in Delta State] long before the civil war. She speaks the language like a native. From the stories they told us when we were young, they said when they first learnt to write, they did so in Ukwuani not in Igbo. Now I'm wondering why it was called Ukwuani long before the civil war or even independence. I'm young, I know and have no knowledge of such things so I'm waiting for my Dad to send me more information about why he thinks we are not Igbo. I could easily start a half-pronged argument about the Igbos coming from the Efik and Ibibio tribes and one would find it hard to show proof as to the origins of the Igbo people, because currently they differ. I'm still waiting for information. . . |
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babyosisi (f)
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Zahymaka you are thanking imiamia for telling us the difference between Igbo and Ibo?
Imiamia what is the difference between bombay and mumbai?
Where are these people popping out of?
In 2006 you still do not know that we were Ibo to make it easier for the white man to pronounce and now you make a sermon out of it and someone who doesn't know better is hailing you.
Zahymaka we have already settled the fact that Ukwani people are a unique group not sharp enough to retain their bini culture and allowed themselves to be totally influenced by their neighbors.
You have won already,oviazuka!!!,you are Ukwani withabsolutely no Igbo ancestry,peace be unto you.
Now does anybody know Port Harcourt was called Igwe ocha before colonisation,what does that tell you?
I think I better get off this thread,the ignorant utterances make me sick sometimes.
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imiaimia
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babyosisi, ah ah. Just listen to sense, will you? IGBO is what most people in the Eastern region of Nigeria refer to themselves as. IBO is what Ukwuani and others have ALWAYS called themselves. The difference is slight, but important. IGBOS and IBOS have similar, but not identical cultures, since they have differrent roots. IGBOS did not have kings in the precolonial era. IBOS did, due to the influence of Benin, whose culture they share in many aspects. And I assume that you know that the British were largely responsible for creating the "Igbo nation" as well as the Yoruba one?? Back in the day, most "Igbos" did not feel an immediate kinship with ANYONE outside their home town's area? Did you know that? this is not detracting from the Igbo nation, you just have to realize that the two peoples have differences, and accept those without trying to gloss over them.
For the record Bombay is British, Mumbai is Indian, but the point you are trying to make does not matter if you read my argument above.
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babyosisi (f)
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Igbo is Nigerian,Ibo is British,Okay?,got that?.
If you don't know the origin of a word,it's better to avoid trying to explain it.
I am Igbo,the oyibo man(assuming you know what that is)calls me Ibo.
How hard is this?
W referred to ourselves as Ibo until recently so don't give that Ibo/Igbo crap.
Delta Igbos think the word Ibo is cuter,honey do some reading.
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babyosisi (f)
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I found this on wikipedia probably written by an Ukwuani person,meanwhile what does ukwani/ukwuani mean in ukwani/ukwuani language,because I know it's Igbo meaning.
The Ụkwụànì culture is distinct and has a set of rich customs and festivals. The most popular masquerades are the Mmanwu and Odogwu which have their respective cults.
ninetofive my brother,have you ever heard of those masquerades???
Oh I'm sorry,they must hve the masquerades wrong too,they are Igbo masquerades also,amazing.
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imiaimia
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Sounds like someone is feeling a little hurt, how about you do some reading on precolonial identity, okay? Maybe then you will understand that you can't label everyobe "igbo" with a paint brush so easily, and why Delta people might cringe @ being lumped together as "igbos" and nothing else
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imiaimia
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Just because people have similar customs does not mean they are the same, the Igbos call masquerade Egwuwu and Yorubas Egungun (how similar does that sound), there are many words in common between Edo and Yoruba, but nobody ever calls them the same thing, abi?
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babyosisi (f)
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no no no honey,you are speaking to one proud Igbo mama.
Like I said earlier,there are Delta Igbos here in the USA members of the World Igbo Congress and I know many others including an inlaw who is a proud Igbo man full of manliness and knows his roots.
You have no right to deny them their origin by speaking so ignorantly.
And you are not wiser than they or their forefathers.
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babyosisi (f)
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I am Igbo,I have never heard of masquerade egwuwu,where are you getting these strange ideas from?
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imiaimia
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No, I am definitely not smarter than much older, wiser people. If you look at what I said, it's that Igbos and Ibos are similar, but not the EXACT same thing, for many reasons. Some Itsekiris will refer to themselves as Yorubas, but many will not, even though it could be said that the two peoples are similar, honestly, just do some reading. Not being cheeky, but sometimes you can dig deep into tricky subjects that way |
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imiaimia
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The term Egwuwu, read Things Fall Apart. Or are you saying that Achebe is not an Igboman either? Your example proves that not all "Igbos" are identical
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babyosisi (f)
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For your info so that you don't display this anywhere else,Igbos call masquerades ekpo or mmanwu and then there are several types like odogwu,okonko etc.
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babyosisi (f)
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honey egwugwu is probably a type of masquerade not the meaning.
things fall apart is fictional,didn't you know.
Am I talking with one who learnt Igbo culture from a fictional novel lol.
wonders shall never end
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babyosisi (f)
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imiamia you probably did not grow up at home.
Take a trip,perhaps 1 year externship,it is not possible for you to learn anything this way.
Good luck
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Zahumaka,
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To Zahumaka,
Yeah lets discard being pugnacious, lets cogitate and relax our minds, while taking to account the funny side of the whole issue, bros when I saw that you fathers letter, this very statement [ Azuka we are not Igbo people and you are not an Igbo man ] made me laugh for over 30 minutes, Is like saying; Abiola we are not Yoruba's, I know it would be difficult for you, but try to see the funny side of it, and you will definitely come to agree with me that is all not worth it.
There is a point I would like to add, I just didn't want to encroach you yesterday, if you Analise the letter very deeply, you would notice that is a little purblind, please this is not a fulmination, the letter has only succeeded in falsely trying [ take note only trying ] to prove that the Ukwani people are refugees from Benin, which makes Ukwani an Igboland and the indigences non Igbo rendering your land revocable, am surprised that people could really go to that extent to disassociate themselves from theselves, you are going to have to agree with me is not really something to be very proud about.
Why we are all trying to shed some light into this issue is because of this saying that goes; a mad fellow is not ashamed but only the relatives of the mad fellow bears the brunt of shame [ this is not directed to you, this is only a proverb or a figurative expression ], I will have to asseverate at this point, all the people concerned should leave these bete noire attitude and embrace there own people, Igbo kwenu.
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Zahumaka you are a very interesting individual, when I wrote you this reply above you pretended that you are buzzy and now you are coming to thank somebody that brought up some unreasonable allegation, your action was because my argument was credible, is it not blasphemous and mendacious for an ignorant individual to claim that it was the British that created the Igbo tribe and the Yoruba tribe, infact good riddance, I don't want to be in the same tribe with a traitor, stop having your hopes up, mind you the Igbo people are very proud people, when the time comes, at your request you will be deported back to Benin, shall we now assume that you failed to get intigrated in Igbo land good luck, Igbo and Ibo is the same thing, every Igbo person Identify themselves vis avis, If you are not an Igbo, you are not an Ibo, if you are not an Ibo you are not an Igbo kapish .
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imiaimia
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A FICTIONAL book written by an authentic older person who knew people who LIVED during that time, you are unfamiliar with "Egwugwu", but there are varieties of Igbo people who are familiar with the word. Books are quite useful; they do not change over time, unlike wherever you grew up, which being Nigeria, has been impacted by white man and other groups of people. Think about it.
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imiaimia
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You said "Ekpo," babyosisi. That is originally a calabar word. Are you one of those Southern Igbos by chance? Different groups use different terms
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ZuluNation (m)
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*Zulu sits in corner with mouth  and listen to elders talk* |
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babyosisi (f)
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Imiamia,number one things fall apart was set way before Achebes time,did you even read the book?
secondly Ekpo is authentic Igbo word.
Remember you said masquerade was Egwuwu in Igbo and it is wrong.
Igbos do not call masquerade egwuwu so that you could stop this yoruba similarity you were trying to shove down our throats.
How old are you sef?
I feel like I'm trying to educate a juvenile
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To babyosisi, I found this on wikipedia probably written by an Ukwuani person,meanwhile what does ukwani/ukwuani mean in ukwani/ukwuani language,because I know it's Igbo meaning.
The Ụkwụànì culture is distinct and has a set of rich customs and festivals. The most popular masquerades are the Mmanwu and Odogwu which have their respective cults.
ninetofive my brother,have you ever heard of those masquerades???
Oh I'm sorry,they must hve the masquerades wrong too,they are Igbo masquerades also,amazing.
Yeah my sister, they make Mmanwu and odogwu in Nneni, Adazi, Nnobi, Nnokwa, Agulu, Oraukwu and Nnewi in Anambra state and that is to name but few. |
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