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Zahymaka (m)
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ToZahymaka,
Now you are not making sense, easy, If ukwani is enough for you, why are you curious in Knowing what I said, every Igbo person has there own dialect and they Know the central Igbo, Ukwuani is an Igbo Dialect, you said it your self.
Now this is frustrating. Must you always interpret things the wrong way? I saw the word 'fools' in a sentence in Igbo under a quote from me. What do you expect me to do? I just wanted to be sure you weren't insulting me.  |
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Nutter (m)
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@ Imiaimia,
First you said this:
“What everyone here needs to realize is that the British created the [t]ribes of Nigeria. Yes, you heard me right. Igbos and Yorubas especially.”
Now you have cited an article to lend supposed credence to your claim. However, your very reference of the Wiki article immediately weakens your previous argument. You said the British 'created the tribes in Nigeria’ and now you state from Wiki:
"The arrival of the British in the 1870s and increased encounters between the Igbo and other Nigerians led to a deepening sense of a distinct Igbo ethnic identity. The Igbo also proved remarkably decisive and enthusiastic in their embrace of Christianity and Western education. Under British colonial rule, the diversity within each of Nigeria's major ethnic groups slowly decreased and distinctions between the Igbo and other large ethnic groups, such as the Hausa and the Yoruba became sharper".
Notice the word DEEPENING! This presupposes that there was an Igbo identity before the coming of the British and the colonialization of the country only served to make people more aware of their roots. Also, notice the phrase “distinctions between the Igbo and other large ethnic groups, such as the Hausa and the Yoruba became sharper. Therefore, it was sharp (or at the very least, in existence) before the British came! If not, the phrase would have read: . . . . “became sharp”.
Your quoted article tells us, quite plainly, that the British DID NOT create the ethnic groups - a position contrary to yours. Please, stop trying to contaminate history with your fairy tales. I will not permit it.
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Nutter (m)
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@Zulu,
Thanks for posting that write-up by Gigette here. I read it yesterday on the thread she posted it on. I read it in context. It was dripping with hate then. It is dripping with hate now. I don’t know what she’s complaining about. She says she isn’t intolerant but her post tells quite a different story.
Ndewo.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Zahymaka, Now this is frustrating. Must you always interpret things the wrong way? I saw the word 'fools' in a sentence in Igbo under a quote from me. What do you expect me to do? I just wanted to be sure you weren't insulting me. Why would I be calling you a fool, thats why you should learn the language, Zahymaka you can not swear with the Bible you' ve never claimed you are an Igbo in your life, it has happened to me many times, people coming to me and claiming they are Igbo/Ibo but when there is a little misunderstanding, the same person would say ol boy I no be Ibo o, You know that some people from all those areas are very confused set of people, well since some of you don't like unity, I will be very careful in future, my best friend is from Agbor, until he made the ol boy I no be Ibo statement, I distanced him since that day, though he came and apologized later, but it wasn't inportant. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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eziokwu amarozim ife ageme ndia.
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Nutter (m)
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Gini ka i n'enye onwe gi nsobu? Rapu fa ka fa n’ezuzu.
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Zahymaka (m)
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If I say I haven't agreed to being Igbo in my life, no doubt you'll call me a liar as you did for providing the right interpretation to my surname. I've never, ever in my life claimed to be Igbo so you may as well try another angle to attack me. I tire for you oh!  |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To nutter,
Ifea nmere dinma ka anyi mara nde bu nde, e eziokwu na ngwere nine mapu amapu, mana kita anyi amalugo ndi afo nasa.
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Nutter (m)
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Kpom! O udili thread nka ka madu jiri choputa ndi bu ndi.
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Zahymaka (m)
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And may I ask dear sir who created the tribes? Were you called Igbo before the British came?
As for the historical research, may I ask you to sho wme your own research on the topic? You have the floor. . .
Nairaland's very slow at my end. I'll probably return at night when it's less busy.
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babyosisi (f)
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@ imiamia.
You have made the most ignorant statement on nairaland to date.
Imiamia asked if aro's were Igbos.
honey, Aros are not only Igbos but great Igbos,great warriors back in the day,main instruments in slavery hence they're in every nook and corner of Igboland.
Biko,don't display such ignorance anymore.
Nutter is a delta Ibo/Igbo who is proud of her heritage.What does that tell you or make of your baseless argument.
@ Zahymaka remember earlier on I had told you that some delta Igbos may have migrated from Bini or wherever,that cannot be the case for all of them.
I agree your family may have migrated but you have absolutely NO RIGHT to speak for all Ukwuani let alone all delta Igbos.Okay.
And yes,we have always been Igbo,the whiteman called us Ibo,got it?
What is the purpose of that question anyway?
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Zahymaka (m)
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I see we've got some fanatic fervor rippling through you. The fact that you consider us Igbo does not also give you any right to refer to all of us as such. Many Igbos I've met have argued along the same lines that 'Delta Ibos' are not Igbos so you might as well take a leaf from that lesson. You appear to have dropped the calm ardor with which you tended your arguments in the past. If this is going to be a mudslinging battle, I'll be more than pleased to withdraw from any unintelligent discourse. What is the purpose of that question anyway? Clarification -- just clarification. . . |
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imiaimia
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Nutter, my firend, you will have to better than that. SELECTIVE highlighting does not help anyone. As I have ALWAYS said, the British lumped together people with similar but not identical cultures. (look at almost all of my posts) There were people who spoke similar related languages, who later came to be known as "igbo" or "yoruba", usually given those names by outsiders. The Aros are a clan of MIXED Igbo/Ibibio descent, who felt ABSOLUTELY NO QUALMS about enslaving their "fellow igbos." None at all. How could you enslave your own people? The answer: the Aros did not consider other "igbos" as their people, but as distinct outsiders. Think abbout it.
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imiaimia
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Think, from written accounts, it's obvious that back in the historical days, people from Owerri would feel no great kinship with people from Enugu. People from Aba would feel no great kinship with people from Agbor. People need to celebrate their distinct identities, while not trying to gloss over them. Yes, many people speak Igbo/ibo languages, and everybody should be proud of being whatever they are, both as small divisions and as a larger whole. What I believe Zahymaka is saying (Correct me if I'm wrong) is that people shoud not try to classify him. He is what he is , even if you don't understand it. He is Ibo. He is Ukwuani. Don't tell him what he should be.
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babyosisi (f)
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@ imiamia,you came out saying delta Ibos where not Igbos,came from the moon and were Igbo like,out came a delta Igbo who speaks the language and is confident in her identity and you are still arguing.
ARO PEOPLE ARE IGBO how clearer can I be.
There are aros in Umuahia,Ngwa,anambra,owerri ,they are everywhere.
Back in the day they regarded themselves as a tough and highly intelligent group and yes they were highly instrumental in the slave trade.
They have never claimed no to be Igbos
We have already agreed that Zahymaka's family came from bini or somewhere there,why are we still talking about him?
Go to the thread about igbos come together if you're proud to be one,you'll see delta Ibos/igbos and others from all areas signed in.
We have our state and towns but have great pride in our Igboness.
Go and live in Nigeria for a while and learn of the Igbos my dear
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imiaimia
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babyosisi, babyosisi, babyosisi. Now you sound like a sore loser. Zahymaka never called himself a Bini, and neither did I (they may have partially come from there originally, but there obviously not now). What don't you understand?? Educate yourself, ma. Does anything Zahymaka say sound ridiculuous overall? NO. And there is a reason. Not trying to fight, but please look into what I am saying. 100% OF IT IS VERIFICABLE. I stand by that.
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Zahymaka (m)
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babyosisi you appear to draw hasty conclusions without looking at the other side. Why must it be only my family who are in your words from elsewhere? Has it occured to you that most 'Delta Ibos' refuse to be associated with the Igbos and think of those who do as having the very identity crisis you think we're having? I wonder at the direction your arguments are taking now. We have already agreed that Zahymaka's family came from bini or somewhere there,why are we still talking about him? Because the only compromise you made was for me and not for the thousands of namless Deltans who have no voice on this thread.
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babyosisi (f)
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you both have actually proved my case.
why did you carefully avoid the aro issue,ignorance identified?
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Nutter (m)
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@Imiaimia,
You have made very little sense. Very little sense indeed. Yours is a case of one who has strayed in his thinking and is finding it difficult to retrace his steps. Pride will always be a poor substitute for intelligence, my dear man.
You said the British 'created tribes in Nigeria' and then provided an article to supposedly buttress your point. That article does the exact opposite. What is so difficult to understand in what I said? You say I have selectively highlighted. Ok, then. If your article supports your stance (in ANY way), show us where and how. Perhaps it has a hidden meaning that only you can see. Educate us, master. That is my simple request. You do not need to phone a friend or ask the audience! I repeat: show us where and how your article proves that the British created the ethnic groups in Nigeria. Else, keep your views to yourself. I’m too busy to engage in such twaddle.
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Nutter (m)
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@Babyosisi,
Nne, I am a proud Anambra son. I am neither female nor from Delta. I think you’ve got me confused with someone else.
@Thread,
Please find below an article written by an Ikwerre son (Uche Chukwuma) in response to one written by another Ikwerre son (Okachukwu Dibia).
Nigeria: Ikwerre Question: Facing the Reality
Daily Champion (Lagos)
OPINION
June 29, 2006
Posted to the web June 29, 2006
Uche Chukwuma
Lagos
The Guardian of Monday, June 19, published an article entitled the "Ikwerre in national politics" written by one Okachukwu Dibia.
The writer did indeed attempt to analyse the major problems confronting the Ikwerre both politically and economically, but neglected or ignored the most important factor that has stunted the growth of the Ikwerre politically and economically in contemporary Nigeria. As an Ikwerre myself, specifically from Emohua in Rivers State, I believe I am most qualified to render my observations on the problems and way forward for the Ikwerre.
Without any doubt the greatest problem confronting the Ikwerre, is the self imposed or politically induced identity crisis that has earned them the distrust of other Nigerians, and hatred of the larger Igbo nation. In order to avoid the confusion that has been unleashed by the identity crisis plaguing the Ikwerre, I took time out to do an extensive research on who the Ikwerre are, and my findings I believe are common knowledge. During the colonial period the British clearly identified the Ikwerres as Igbo. The 1958 Henry Willinks commission report in a less political age also clearly identified the Ikwerre as Igbo.
Every ethnologue report I consulted compiled by international ethnologues free from local politics classified the Ikwerre as Igbo. Inspite of the overwhelming evidence on the true identity of the Ikwerre, the Ikwerre leadership has continued to employ "the great lie strategy"; which says If you repeat a lie so often, it becomes the truth. However I am of the view, that the truth is constant and cannot be changed.
In considering the question of identity, there is a spiritual aspect which a lot of people tend to ignore. We all were created by God, and none of us had the luxury of choosing our race or tribe before we were born. Whatever race or tribe we are born into is the wish of the all-knowing supreme God. To deny our God-given identity because of some earthly politics is at best an insult to God who created us and made us who we are in the first place. How funny or stupid would it be to see a Blackman claiming not to be black? What we the Ikwerre have been doing is no different from such a scenario. In language, culture (new yam festival) or even as our names readily testifies the Ikwerre could be no other people but Igbo. If the British colonialists had decided to carve out of what we now know as Nigeria, ethnically homogenous nations as is the pattern in Europe, no doubt the Ikwerre would have been part of the Igbo country.
I believe the time has come for a new thinking among the Ikwerre leadership concerning our identity. It is obvious that whatever the leadership sought to achieve by the needless, shameful and undignified identity sham, the reverse has clearly been the case. Right from the creation of the old Rivers state, the Ikwerre having sold their birthright for a pot of porridge and became marginalized by the Ijaw. That marginalization led the Ikwerre to begin campaigning for the creation of a Port-Harcourt state. In 1996, Bayelsa state was created which automatically made the Ikwerre the single largest majority in Rivers state, but ironically the marginalization of the Ikwerre has continued. It is instructive to note that even though the Ikwerre constitute the largest majority in Rivers state, they were not able to produce the Governor, largely because of the distrust they have earned from other indigenous nationalities, and even non indigenes resident in Rivers state. (Who would trust a man who denies his God-given identity?).
The Ikwerre have continued to be in political and economic wilderness both in Rivers state and nationally. There has never been any significant presence of the Ikwerre in the federal level, and that trend would probably continue until the Ikwerre leadership rediscovers their true identity and earn the trust of other Nigerians.
Common sense indicates that the Ikwerre's would be better off by aligning with the Igbo family who fortunately constitute a majority bloc in Nigeria. Things may not be too rosy for the Igbo at the moment because of the hangover of the civil war, but no condition is permanent and sooner rather than later the Igbo would have to be given their rightful place, which is a sine qua non for Nigeria's very survival. Nigeria is a nation beset with the continuing fear of disintegration. Eventually the overwhelming need to redress the Nigerian quagmire to guarantee her survival and the beginning of true nationhood will compel a honest restructuring of the Nigerian plate in every sphere, which would naturally see the Igbo regain their influence. Without aligning with the larger Igbo family, the Ikwerre can never aspire to play any prominent role in national politics now or in the future.
Politics is a game of numbers. All over the world ethnic groups strive to be the majority in order to be able to play a prominent role in national politics; it is not for nothing that census results have always been historically manipulated in Nigeria to give certain ethnic groups the majority they need to continue to dominate the affairs of state. Yet, the Ikwerre leadership has continued to deceive the Ikwerre into struggling to be a minority, when they have the opportunity to be a majority by aligning with the Igbo family where they rightly belong. Whereas the Ijaw is struggling for a majority status, and have even started the campaign for 2 more Ijaw states, the Ikwerre is ironically struggling to be and to remain a minority of minorities. (What a shame!) Whether we like it or not, ethnicity will continue to play a role in Nigerian politics. And the grim reality the Ikwerre leadership has to face; is that the Ikwerre will forever be condemned to politics only at state lev el unless they assume their true identity and align with the Igbo nation. For instance, no Ikwerreman can ever aspire to be the president of Nigeria without the backing of the larger Igbo nation. Even at the state level the Ikwerre will predictably continue to be politically marginalized for the same obvious reasons.
There is no difference between the Ikwerre and the Isale Eko of Lagos who are the original inhabitants of Lagos. The Isale Eko's never denied their Yoruba ancestry and have proven to be a very accommodating people, accommodating both the hinterland Yoruba and other Nigerians in general and today Lagos even without oil is the richest state in Nigeria. But the image of the Ikwerre is that of a hostile, deceitful and very unaccommodating people, unaccommodating even to their own people.
The Politics Of Crude Oil:
There is no denying the fact, that crude oil is a factor in the calculations of those that sponsor the needless identity crisis. However oil is a wasting asset, and the Ikwerre must be very smart in dealing with such a situation. While it serves the purpose of those who wish to see a divided Igbo nation, it clearly does not serve the purpose of the Ikwerre in the long run. What happens in 30 or 40 years when the oil wells dry up, like the first well in Oloibiri? Or do we need to condemn our children and our grandchildren to a harsh and uncertain future because of needless greed, opporturnism and politics of divide and rule? The Ikwerre leadership must retrace their steps and walk a fine line between their Igbo brothers and whatever factors led to the identity crisis. In life, what goes round comes around, and chickens often come back home to roost. We must not condemn our generation and possibly the generation after to possible retributive justice and punishment.
Ironically even those agents of the Nigerian state who may have encouraged the identity crisis, though they may have celebrated, because it serves their purpose, yet they will still not trust the average Ikwerreman, because simply put, nobody will trust a man who denies his ancestry. "It is better to deal with a trustworthy enemy, than an untrustworthy friend".
As the saying goes; "the only thing that is permanent in life is change" and it will come in our time. Evil cannot triumph, that much is certain. The Ikwerre leadership will be surprised how much they miscalculated, when the momentum for change and change itself will sweep through this land. I pray they quickly retrace their steps before that time comes.
In conclusion, I wish to state that people should not deny their ancestry under any circumstances, it is not only cowardly, it is also shameful and a direct assault on God who made us who we are. One of the major reasons why Nigeria has continued to fail, is the willingness to promote fraud and deceit as the basis of statehood.
The best approach is to join forces with our Igbo brothers and fight for justice within Nigeria. By doing this, the Ikwerre would have been liberated physically and spiritually and would be better placed to take their rightful place, politically and economically, in Nigeria. Only the truth can set us free!
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imiaimia
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My Brother: more information on Ibos: Delta Ibo
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Delta-Ibo (sometimes spelt Delta-Igbo but considered derogatory when used in this form) refers to a group of languages related to the Igbo language and spoken in Nigeria.
They are mostly confined to Delta State (hence the name) but some of them (like Ukwuani) are spoken close to the borders of neighboring states like Rivers.
Languages that fall into this group include Ukwani, Agbor and Aboh.
Most Delta Ibo prefer the name to be spelled Ibo rather than Igbo, emphasizing their cultural and linguistic differences from the Igbo people.
And the Igbo languages: Igbo has a number of dialects, not all mutually intelligible, including the Idemili Igbo dialect (the version used in Chinua Achebe's epic novel, Things Fall Apart), Owerri, Ngwa, Umuahia, Nnewi, Onitsha, Awka, Abriba, Arochukwu, Nsukka, Mbaise, Ohafia, Wawa and Okigwe.
A note on Colonial effects on the Igbo by oga Achebe: In 1999, Chinua Achebe, the most internationally famous Igbo speaker, passionately denounced Standard Igbo and its ancestors as colonial and conservative impositions on the rich range of Igbo dialects. To illustrate his point, he delivered his lecture in a dialect peculiar only to Onitsha speakers, which was almost unintelligible to more than half the audience.
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imiaimia
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A note by Dr. Phillip Emagwali, on the origins of his people, the Ogbaru ( www.emeagwali.com) : The Ogbaru are river people living on both banks of the lower Niger and along the banks of some of it´s tributaries and outlets.They are often called "Onitsha Ibo" but this is a misleading term.Apart from Onitsha,other Ogbaru centers include Aboh,Oguta,Assay,Ossomari,Agbor,Umuolu,Asaba,Ndoni,Illah,and Okpai.Their historical origin explains this deviation from the normal pattern of Iboland.Whereas the Pure or non-onitsha Ibo trace their origin to the Akwa and Orlu areas in the very heart of Iboland,the Ogbaru traditions speak of migrations from outside modern iboland,mainly from Benin in the Mid-west and from Igala in Kwara state.Although their language is now Igbo,the Ogbaru are sensitive enough to their origin even today to feel piqued if they are called Ibo. |
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mochafella (m)
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Interesting discussion. Lets not forget that Wikipeadia though mostly accurate is user editable and cannot be completely relied upon, especially for contentious issues. |
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imiaimia
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mochafella, very true. But at least it's information I didn't write  |
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Nutter (m)
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@Imiaimia,
Mr Man, you are going around in circles. Address the issue you have raised. Defend your article. If you have lost all confidence in the article then say so and retract it immediately. You bringing the thoughts of Achebe and Emeagwali does absolutely nothing to help you because they do not state (like you did) that the British created the Igbo and other groups. Either retract your statement or prove your case. I am waiting.
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The British did not create the tribes. The cnfusion was apparently created when they lumped together groups they thought were similar enough. Using Ninetofive's 'linguistic map', you'll notice that certain ethnic groups are missing -- in the area defined as Edo there exist the Urhobo and Isoko groups as well as the myriads of Isan [Esan], Bini and so on. The Ijaw area has the Kalabari group within it and there are several riverine peoples inhabiting the various creeks who speak languages that are not Ijaw and do nt understand Ijaw. Your British happily carved these so-called 'tribes' out to make their job easier for them and you happily insist on following their rules. Imiaimia, just a note -- I'm the Wikipedian who created the Delta Ibo article but other people have mainly made it what it looks like in it's present form. Apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks that way. |
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Bhola (f)
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History 101. Wow, this is getting really educative. I think babyosisi, who I respect so much from reading your posts on the religion forum, Ninetofive, Imiamia and all the knowledgable Igbos, should kindly start a new thread and explain to some of us that don't have the firm understanding as much as you all do, who is considered Igbo. If we were to take a knife and cut Nigeria, where will we start to cut and how far? No vex o, na question I dey ask o. Meanwhile, y'all are doing a great job. As my name denotes, I be proper Yoruba girl. So kindly don't hate me.  |
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To Zahymaka, This is only for reference ________________ ____________________________________________________________ ______________________________ author=Zahymaka
I promised not to post here again, but I must speak for everyone who talks of me being Igbo. I'm sorry the argument here is coming from my Dad who was around before the civil war as was his father, so no talk of being brainwashed. O fcourse, I couldn't put up a defence, but here's what he has to say. When he sends me more stuff, I shall post it here.
[i]Azuka,
We are not Igbo people, and you are not an IGBO man. While the Ukwuani language is an Ibo dialect, this does not mean that we are IGBO people. Culturally and historically our ancestors migrated from Ancient Benin Kindom during a period of much internal crisis and hatred in the kingdom. Our people did not want to have anything to do with the Edo kingdom having escaped from the Oba’s control and influence. It was not only the Ukwuani people , but both Isoko’s and Urhobo’s.
We met the IGBO’s on the other side of the river Niger and traded with them since they had no kings and operated a form of Clanlike democracy. Due to cultural diffusion and inter-trading we imbibed there dialect over the centuries. Yes Ukwuani is an Ibo dialect, but culturally and in most of our traditions, social sanctions, religious worship, ideals and mode of life we are not Igbo people. From ancient time till now the Igbo man can sell his brother for money. We may be poor, but we are proud and have ideals that we cannot sacrifice for money. The Igboman is not bad, he is hardworking, but he can sell his mother for money. Do not ague with them, but do not enter into any money business with them. Every Nigerian speaks English, we know that we are not Britons.
The Itshekiri man understands Yoruba language, due to the lingual dialect, but he is not a Yoruba man.
There is a lingual understanding between the Okrika, kalabari and Izon languages but the kalabari and Okrika’s are not classed as Ijaws in Nigeria.
The Effik and Ibibio’s understand each other but the Ibibio’s are classed as a different tribe.
Every tribe in the Northern Nigeria speaks Hausa language, they they are not Hausa’s.
The Igala tribe in Kogi state speak a dialect of Yoruba language but they are not Yoruba’s.
The Ogba people(omoku is there major town) speak a dialect of the Ibo, they are in rivers state, there ancestors migrated from Benin, and they are called the OGBA people. You must have heard of the Obi of Ogbaland.
All the Ibo speeking tribes that migrated from Benin have Kings that are called The OBI. Eg. Onitsha, Isele Ukwu, Aboh(in Ukwuani), Agbor etc.
Even the indigenous Onitsha man do not call himself an Igbo man because his ancestors came from Benin, culturally he does not sell his daughter for money in the name of marriage, despite being on the same side of the river Niger and the same state.
The Igbo man has never had king and will never have one( forget about the political kings that they are creating in other to get money from Federal Government).
The Jews, Arabs, Palestinian, Sirians and most of the middle east in the time of Jesus understood each other(that was why Jesus recognized the Samaritan woman through her dialect) but had different dialects.
We are therefore not the only tribe in Nigeria that speaks a dialect of a major language that is tribally and culturally different.
Language alone does not prove differences of tribes. The mode of life, customs and traditions, religion and ideals of life all go to show who we are.
I shall write more on this later.
Every Igbo man, wants everybody to be Igbo since there dream of a Biafra failed. They have always laid claim to even areas of land in Nigeria that there ancestors had no business with.
Regards,
Your daddy
From: 'Me'
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:56 AM
To: 'Daddy'
Subject: Question
Hello Daddy,
I was cornered by someone who insisted that I was wrong in saying I was Ukwuani not Igbo. He had lots of documentation and all to prove it and I couldn't put up a good defense.
While I do not believe I am Igbo, I want to have an idea of my ethnicity. I do not know how to prove I'm from a different area.
You also promised us that you were going to tell us our history -- the history of our family -- someday. I don't know if that someday is now, but I am curious enough to wish it was now.
When you have time could you tell me about these things?
Azuka
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Without giving in to chagrin, am very disappointed with the level of inarticulation portrayed by some of us in handling this very sensitive subject, is rather regretable and unfortunate that you seem to be joining the band wagon. you have no clear argument, your mind is not made up, you paint the picture of somebody who does not want to be in the house but does not want to be out side. This manifests in your usuall position of kvetch in this thread, the crescendo of this behavior was when ''babyosisi'' once said ''ok good riddance'', I saw the way you reacted and that unfortunately did not strike the picture of somebody who bitterly wants not to be Igbo, our minds can only be our perfect judge. Are we having fun here?, I would say no, we are definitely not, we are talking of a nation that almost faced total annihilation during the civil war, and the symptoms of this can still be seen today in the marginalization of the Igbo's in Nigeria today. Though the perpetrators and the connivers would go to any length and climb any mountain in trying to prove this is not the case, I still reiterate, our minds are our perfect judge. In your fathers letter above, he stated that the Igbo people would dabble into lands that has nothing to do with them, lets say your family and your likes are from Benin; 1, you did not bring the Ukwuani language from Benin.
2, you did not bring the Ukwuani land from benin. This things I stated above are pure logics, and that proves there must have been the real Igbo indegience before you's the Outsider's {this is what you chosed to be} from Benin came into Ukwuani, hence facts can be drawn from your statement below that there are some people in Ukwuani/ Delta who claims they are Igbo's, whom you claimed that you people regard them as having Identity crisis. Please answer me who would decide who is having Identity crisis; Is it you the outsiders from Benin or the real Igbo indegience of Ukwuani, the answer is very obvious, the more you get deeper into this argument, the more ludicrous it gets, but you are not a rara avis in this and this shows how much work we have to do to unite our people, I still mentain, nobody will force you to be Igbo, you can always opt to be deported back to Benin, and a point of correction, nobody deny's any Deltan the power of voice in this thread, infact they are most welcomed, make no mistakes people are reading and they are making there judgements. babyosisi you appear to draw hasty conclusions without looking at the other side. Why must it be only my family who are in your words from elsewhere? Has it occured to you that most 'Delta Ibos' refuse to be associated with the Igbos and think of those who do as having the very identity crisis you think we're having? I wonder at the direction your arguments are taking now. Because the only compromise you made was for me and not for the thousands of namless Deltans who have no voice on this thread. Igbo kwenu. |
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Zahymaka (m)
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Clever indeed *rools eyes*. So far, the only thing I've seen you do with the long quote is try to say I'm an outsider and then claim all other Ukwuanis believe they're Igbo, which I regret to tell you is not the case.
Every thing brought by the opposition, even quoting your Igbo thread on Wikipedia and using other evidence, you have chosen to turn a blind eye to.
Why don't you go and ask your so-called elders and then I'll go and ask mine and then we'll decide on what we think is best? Afterall, have they not been there since? I have travelled within the Kwale area and I must admit I have yet to meet any Ukwuani or Aboh man who says he's Igbo -- from the elderly to the small pikin crawling in the dust. What other proof do you want?
Would you also say that because others consider Igbos to be greedy then automatically all Igbos are greedy, etc? It is who you know you are that defines you and not who others think you are. You and babyosis have tried to convince me that I'm Igbo, and when it failed the next thing is to say that only my family isn't. Some pretty 'clever' logic [tongue in cheek].
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Zahymaka (m)
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Your antics are quite funny, yet pathetic to behold. First as an acclaimed polyglot you could not interpret either of my surnames and called me a liar when I did, next it was that I could understand Igbo, after that it was accusing me of having claimed to be Igbo at least once in my life -- now it is to say my family is the only set of outcasts among the 'Ukwuani Igbos.' What will it be next?
You don't strike in the same place twice do you? You argue in one direction. When I reply you, you start from somewhere else without giving a reply, then a long while after, you run several pages back in time and do some quoting. Chukwu marini onye anyi bi*.
*God knows who we are.
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The quote below was written by you, stop contradicting yourself.babyosisi you appear to draw hasty conclusions without looking at the other side. Why must it be only my family who are in your words from elsewhere? Has it occured to you that most 'Delta Ibos' refuse to be associated with the Igbos and think of those who do as having the very identity crisis you think we're having? I wonder at the direction your arguments are taking now. Because the only compromise you made was for me and not for the thousands of namless Deltans who have no voice on this thread.
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