Igbo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Igbo

To babyosisi,


Nne I de o, kedu kwanu, am an Igbo son and a proud one for that matter, if they won't accept it unless it is baptized to Igboid, is there problem.

     A STRONG ARGUMENT WHY THE SO CALLED PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM SELF INPOSED IDENTITY CRISIS ARE TRAITORS AND SELL OUTS
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      There is an adage that says if ''okpanga Adazi ani'' is not danced like one is mad, is not danced correctly, First I must have to apologize in advance for my political incorrectness. the issue of these group of Igbo people migrated from here and there is crass and absolute nonsense, the fact is that the whole of igbo people migrated from some where, every group of people that ever walked this planet migrated from some where, this I assume should not be an uphill task for people to understand.
The question is not where you migrated from, the question is what is your reality, the denial of one's reality is a path to self destruction.

    
      Many historians has tryed to prove that the Benin the so called Igbos with Identity crisis are so quick to claim migrated from Yoruba, but still I 've never seen A Benin person that claims he or she is a Yoruba, because there tribe migrated from Yoruba not withstanding the connection with the Oni of Ife and the Benin Kingdom, no matter the numbers of authors any one would quote, I still believe that the issue of the Benin migrating from Yoruba is to some extent not credible, though is undeniable that the benin has connections with the Yoruba's Dictum factum. the Benin has there own side of the Story and is completely different from the Yoruba side of the story.


      We all know that there is a country called Benin Republic and in Benin Republic there is a group of people that speaks Yoruba, hence the establishment of connection
between the Yoruba's and the Benin's, the African history is interconnected, and migrations in Africa in the past was also interconnected which is why we are Africans. unfortunately in most part of Africa, our fore fathers never kept this history due to the absence of written languages, though in Igbo land before the advent of the white man the Ibo people has a written language called NSIBIDI, the language was ristricted among the Ichies [ Chiefs], but this language was handicapped by the absence of effective data storage system.


      All this facts does not add to the credibility of most of the Authors that have tryed to analyse this history, who might as well be doing guess work, and any intelligent individual will not and shall not pusillanimously confute his or her reality based on illusion, that might in reality be a common fallacy. most people has not noticed that the Igbo language and Yoruba language Influences Benin language parri passu, for example in igbo land when two people finishes conversation they say ''odinma'' [ meaning is good or is alright ], in Benin language when two people finishes conversation they say ''oma'' [ meaning is alright ], and oma in igbo language means ''good'', like in the example of IFEOMA [ meaning some thing that is good ].


     A police man in Benin language is called Ogbalegbe, and Ogbalegbe in Igbo language means some one that shoots gun, can you all see how tricky these things are, gun in Benin language is called ''Osisi'' and Osisi in Igbo language means stick, gun in Igbo language is called egbe, so the stick the police man uses is called Egbe, can you see the Ogbalegbe explanation?. when a Benin person is discursing with you, they usually say ''Do'' if you contextualize most of the conversations ''Do'' is used like sorry, and sorry in Igbo language means ''Ndo'',  Ndo and Do sound alike and literally means the same thing, this is to mention but few.

    
    Sell outs are so quick to use the Migration theory to cover up there nefarious and shamefull acts, the Egba people in Yoruba land migrated from Igbo land, but the agbe people do not claim to be Igbo's because they are aware of there reality, a sell out is a sell out, If the Igbo man was to be ruling Nigeria the Ukwuani and the Ikwere would not have hesitated to accept there Igboness, The quote below says it all, If every other people that migrated from some where can live with there reality,why is that ukwuani and Ikwere can not, I smell conspiracy here. most researchers would say that Igbo nation are Jews, that we migrated from Israel, but that won't change the reality that we are African's and Igbo's.


1,    The African Americans migrated from Africa but that does not change the fact that they are American's.


2,     The Anglo American's are from England but they don't claim they are English but American's, cause that won't change the fact that they are America's.


3,     The Russian nation started in the Ukraine, Kiev to be very precise. the history of Kievksy Rus asserted that, but that won't change the reality that the  Russian's are Russian's and the Ukrainian's are Ukrainian's etc etc.

        
         Arnold Schwarzenegger is an Austrian that was not even born in America, he only became an American by Naturalization, but that don't change the fact that he is an American, cause this is his reality. Now compere that with people that there great great great great grand fathers and  mothers [ fore fathers ], were born in Igbo land. All the people with self inposed Identity crisis should be ashmed of themselves, and there so called elders that started this are bunch of cammarillas, and If they are doing it for socio political reasons, then they are wastrels and are short sighted  'cause nobody would ever take them serious, nobody trust's a traitor.


To imiaimia,

Stop quoting Authors to hide how indigent your intelligent is, is ludicrous to absurdity.


                    

 

Every time somebody accuses me of avoiding questions I always answer them, Nutter.  Please read my posts clearly.  And Chinani, it's hard to incorporate scholarly sources from the internet.  But at least I'm trying, and I give credit to those holding other viewpoints if they try too.  People without any kind of outside information cannot really speak, can they Chinani? Sorry.  Your own ignorance na greater one.

Did I blink and miss something? Please point me to where you addressed my query. Point me to where you provided evidence that the British created the ethnic groups in Nigeria. The quote you pasted (as I carefully indicated) did nothing but contradict your position. Therefore, please address the issue OR accept that you made a mistake. Your move. 

I said this on page nine Nutter.  What YOU need to do is read any objective general history of Nigeria.  It will say what I have said.  On the contrary how do you know all the Igbos thought of themselves as one people?  Prove it.

Nutter, my firend, you will have to better than that.  SELECTIVE highlighting does not help anyone.  As I have ALWAYS said, the British lumped together people with similar but not identical cultures.  (look at almost all of my posts)  There were people who spoke similar related languages, who later came to be known as "igbo" or "yoruba", usually given those names by outsiders.  The Aros are a clan of MIXED Igbo/Ibibio descent, who felt ABSOLUTELY NO QUALMS about enslaving their "fellow igbos."  None at all.  How could you enslave your own people?  The answer: the Aros did not consider other "igbos" as their people, but as distinct outsiders.  Think abbout it.

Pray tell, what were these issues that "all Igbos" collaborated on since time immemorial?  The mere fact that some of the supposedly "Igbo" people have differing accounts of their origin and refuse to be lumped together proves that "Igbo people" are not as unified and cohesive TODAY, much less centuries ago.  I stand by my quote---what you got from it, to me, does not prove your point.  The arrival of the British was important to forming an Igo identity--there was no cause for "Igbos" of varying backgrounds, languages, and cultures to be lumped together, except for the fact that it was necessary to compete at a national level.  Hausas, Fulanis, and Kanuris, and smaller Northern tribes are distinct peoples, but lumped together as "northerners" by many people, with the spread of the hausa language reinforcing this.  But a Mumuye is not a Hausa and never will be.  End of story.

Yes I remember that. It was too ridiculous to reply.

Honestly ninetofive I cannot even answer to Emeagwalis claim,that was the first time I ever heard that.
What we cannot deny is that there has been migrations from all over by all the tribes and Igbos are no different.

What I still struggle with is what makes him call himself Igbo proudly despite his migration who knows when and Zahymaka who claims the same migrant route calls himself something else,some Ikwerrre people say they are Igbo some say they are not,Some Asaba people claim Igbo on a good day and some are Igboid when there's a full moon.

I know many may not like this but I'll say it anyway because it may help us all as we learn from one another.
Growing up,I remember that Igbos in the East generally did not consider bendel Igbos as real Igbos,they were generally regarded as Igbos with some sort of handicap,sold out Igbos if you may, on the outside looking in so we had the sayings of yes he is Igbo but really bendel ibo especially when eastern Igbos married them,they had to prove to their folks that they were also Igbo.

Bendel Igbos on the other hand had this silly air of superiority on their shoulders about being some elitist Ibo group that were not as Igbotic as the Igbos.
Don't ask me how I knew,I went to Uniben.
The rest of the then Bendel people saw them as Igbos but they saw themselves as better than Igbos of the East.

I believe there is some kind of mixed complex on their part as to what or who they really are such that here in the states they would gladly assert their Igboness but playing Naija politics they would say they are Anioma,not Igbo.

Eastern Igbos at a time were helping them with their Anioma State quest for Igbo solidarity sake since Naija politics is a game of numbers but since they started with this non Igbo/Igboid nonsense,they were left on their own and we all know till today the Urhobos and Itshekiri would move the capital of Delta away from Asaba in a heartbeat if given the chance.They have not stopped petitioning.

I am not making any generalizations because I know that not all of them buy into this Igbo denial crap but God bless us everyone sha.

To babyosisi,



You won't see an Onitsha person this days that would tell you that he or she is not an Igbo, though in the past there were few cases of people that called other Igbo's ''Nwa onyigbo'', but that's a thing of the past. when I was studying in the Ukraine [ KIEV STATE UNIVERSITY ], there was this Abia guy that went to report an Anambra guy at the Nigerian embassy, our assistant ambassador [minister] an Onitsha man, told the abia guy; '' koli ifea i'nako si eba pua, we should learn to be our brothers keeper''.




This is even why I started this thread, but my view on this has changed now anyway, we all are witnesses, there is no Eastern Igbo person on record on this thread that has mentioned that the Ikwerre or Ukwuani are not real Igbo's, the Ukwuani and Ikwere denial is hammered through the whole of this thread. I think the whole problems started from there Igbo denial, how do you expect people to react, the problem is mostly from agbor area to ukwuani, most of the Asaba people I've met never even introduced themselves as Delta ibo, they only introduced themselves as Igbo[ ie question: Nna onye ebe kibu, answer: abum onye Igbo ].

Chinani, I'm sure that Dr. Isichei would have much to say on this topic.  A respected Igbo historian, she should be in you or your Aunt's collections.  Listen to what I have said: it may be radical to some, but it's not that shocking.  All "Igobs" are not the same.  It is that easy.  And some "Igbos" are not technically Igbos.

Ninetofive are you ibo or igbo which ever one you choose to use. But ina su igbo?

Abum onye Igbo, kedu kwanu.

Odinma, kude Ife form your inpresion i ji we feel e na mu amara asu igbo, osokam too ima onye ibu.

I understand is not every body that is used to writting igbo language.

This is exactly my point! On this thread there's been much talk about SE Igbos (of which I am one). Are they not truly Igbo b/c they come from the East & "crossed the desert"?

I never claimed all ndi Igbo are the same. Rather my argument is the difference don't make them non-ndi'Igbo!!!

An experiment:
Go find a mother with many children (at least 4). Study the children well, well. Then ask the mother if they came from her womb. Ask her if they are the same. . .

I read the article.

So it seems that all Igbo people are truly Edo/Bini. Or is it just the 'western Igbo'?

At one point the article says that "the people know their true origin" then it suggests that the people are foolish for remembering their Igbo matriarch. Well which is it?

"its dialects differ so greatly that for practical purposes they are separate languages"
Well that is not the defn of dialects. Dialects can be unintelligble and still be the same language. A good example would be an Irish 'dialect' or cockney accent.

"Before the white man came, the "Ibo" or "Igbo" of modern Nigeria had no common name. Village groups were referred to by the name of their ancestral founder. "
I made this exact point earlier.

"In fact the word `Ibo" was used condescendingly by the Oru to describe forest dwelling hinterland Ibos."
I read that "Igbo" means "human community". This fits in with the way group/ethnic names emerge.

"Try asking an old man from Oguta to speak his "real" dialect"
Isn't this "our" point? If you ask the man for his "real" dialect or language he'll still be speak Igbo!!! All these "ndiedo" speak Igbo, eh?

I'm no expert on 'western Igbo land' but the information is from 1919 and 1950. . .I'll let others make up their minds.