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babyosisi (f)
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Good point Chxta,I am extremely proud of my Igbo heritage and know several Ikwerre and delta Igbos who refer to themselves as Igbos and I'm proud of them too.
I was a child in PH when Umuola and umueme became rumuola and rumueme to make them sound 'rivers'. Elechi Amadi(the author of the book concubine) was one of the champions of this Ikwerre minority thing,he is still alive I suppose,so lioness it hasn't been that far away, It was all political,there are certain advantages to be granted minority status in Nigeria,I'm sure the politicians know what the bottom line is.
What makes an ethnic group is great similarity in language,looks,names,foods,cultural festivals like new yam festival which is universal amongst all igbos including the Ikwerre people not what state you belonged to. It is a pity the Ikwerres have long been dominated by the Ijaws who promised them heaven and earth politically gave them a new identity to foster their hatred for Igbos and told them they were better off in rivers than identifying with their ethnicity.With the treatment the Igbos received during the war,who can blame them for denying their heritage.
The truth however remains unchanged and it is so glaring.I would gladly not call an Ikwerre man Igbo if he so prefers,just because we refer to a snake as 'ihe ogologo' (the long thing)does not make him any less harmful.
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Chxta (m)
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Babyo, if you have a child who denies that you are his parent, would you also deny that you are his parent?
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afam4eva
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My Mother is Ikwerre and she and my father speak the same language and she doesen't deny her IGBO heritage.
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babyosisi (f)
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No Chxta,but perhaps not to 'embarass' him,I may decide to keep my distance. In Igboland,we need unity and that starts by knowing who you are. Why should Igbos waste time with people that have identity crises?,they would only add aja(sand) in our garri. We have suffered a lot as a people and the last thing we need are saboteurs even they are named Ngozi and Ikenna. Ha si na ha bu ndi mba mmiri,ka Chineke mezie okwu.
Afam4eva,your posting was quite timely,God bless your mom who knows she is an Igbo woman born in Ikwerre just like I'm an Igbo girl of Umuahia parents. Those who are with us will not leave and those who are not with us cannot stay.
Chineke gozie unu.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Chxta @ NINETOFIVE, I think the problem with Igbos as a people is individualism. How else can you explain a lot of Igbos getting into the Army with Northern names back in the 1950s and 60s?
On the average, we tend to look more towards the success of the individual than the success of the collective. It has always been so and if you read through Things Fall Apart, you will see that it has been so since time immemorial. . .
The British had to reinstate Ovonmwaren's son because no Bini man agreed to rule as Oba while the rightful heir was alive. In Igboland, they managed to get a lot of warrant chiefs installed!
On a more bizarre and personal note, a colleague of mine here at my office whose name is Onyekachi would rather die than accept that she's Igbo. She comes from Benue State (I saw her CV), but I don't know the name of her hometown. I assume it must be one of those border towns less than 20km from Nsukka. One day I was speaking Igbo with another colleague of mine (a conversation about oto ndi umu nwanyi), and from her reaction, she understood everything. Her surname (which I wouldn't divulge here) is also very Igbo, but then I digress. . .
Our own arrogance as a people also drives this seeming disunity. As a student back in UNIBEN, I know of Delta indigenes who were refused Ohaneze membership because they aren't authentic Igbo.
In politics we tend to be the ones who mess ourselves up.
I would be pleasantly surprised if the entire Igbo sub nation can produce just one person to run for president of Nigeria next year, but I sincerely doubt that this would happen. Our track record so far since 1999 heavily points otherwise. . .
The arrogance you are talking about seems have prevalence in character, [please I don't mean this in any negative way] judging by few of your threads i 've come across in the past, wining your argument is paramount and it supersids every other things, making you to trade every meaningful or positive fruit your argument would have brought about, creating a situation that eliminates all the positives even to level of bankruptcy making you to look antagonistic, and when you are in this sphere you might be seen as a sell out. You present yourself as somebody who never sees anything good in an IBO person and that would always sabotage your effort in getting your message across, and I can't see in anyway that is helping, If you are really an IBO SON, you also have a job to do, but do it the right way, you will even enjoy it, the only problem I have with you is that withen all this confusions I don't really know where you stand. You will agree with me that with awareness in letting people know more of there history things would really get better, please don't get crossed with me in advance, thank you. By the way your name Chxta in polish means ''clean'', though is written as chiysto, so why don't you try being clean, is a joke though.
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lioness (f)
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 Whatever! If Ikwerre and Igbo ppeople are one, why do igbos discriminate against ikwerre. Especially in marriages, Igbos say ikwerre's are not igbo's. I suggest we leave the books and maps and face the day-to-day reality. When i was in anambra, the natives discriminated against the ikwerre's calling us "outsiders". And here you are talking dirt on oneness. You guys better go back home and talk to your folks. Wasnt it the same igbo's who let ikwerre's down during the war?
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To afam4eva My Mother is Ikwerre and she and my father speak the same language and she doesen't deny her IGBO heritage.
Your statement has just convinced me that am not wasting my time with this thread, may GOD bless your family, and bless you to for coming out to say it the way it is, and I would be expecting this to encourage people with this same setting or which other way it is to come out and air there views, cause it would go a long way to educate us all.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To lioness,
I will never give up on my people, if there is a way we hurted each other feelings in the past, go back and check my posts I 've apologized to you, and as you can see I 've repented.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To lioness  Whatever! If Ikwerre and Igbo ppeople are one, why do igbos discriminate against ikwerre. Especially in marriages, Igbos say ikwerre's are not igbo's. This afam4eva post I quoted below will be able to answer your question, so you wont judge everybody by the bad treatment you seem to have received from some few ignorants, and this is why I initiated the thread in the first place, cause we are all are to be blamed for this problems one way or the other , like you for example if you continue to shut your self away from your own people, how can you meet the good ones. [PLEASE THIS EXAMPLE IS STRICTLY MEANT AS AN INSTRUMENT OF UNITY AMONG IBO'S AND NOT DIRECTED TO THE ONITSHA INDIGIENES, CAUSE AM ONE MYSELF] Do you know that in the past even an ONITSHA indigiene would tell you he is not an IBO person and call other IBO'S ''NWA OYIGBO'', but today with the help of information, that wont happen cause people know there history, and they are proud to be IBO'S and are proud of there heritage. Let me give you a real life example of what that happened in the past, there was this ONITSHA girl that met another IBO guy from another town and they fell in love, when the girl brought the guy home to introduce the guy to t her family cause they wanted to get married. Do you know what the the girl told here parents?; she said mum and dad please keep your Nwa Oyigbo thing to yourselves, if you are not Igbo's I am, and am getting married. My Mother is Ikwerre and she and my father speak the same language and she doesen't deny her IGBO heritage.
 Whatever! I suggest we leave the books and maps and face the day-to-day reality. When i was in anambra, the natives discriminated against the ikwerre's calling us "outsiders". And here you are talking dirt on oneness. You guys better go back home and talk to your folks. Don't ever think in the least that this thread is only directed towards the IKWERRE and DELTA IBO'S alone, no, this thread is meant to educate every IBO person, this thread is a check point, this thread is meant to show every IBO person that they should reconsider there attitudes towards there fellow IBO'S, IBO'S can only be one and that is the only way we can grow, the talents are already there, unity is what we bitterly lack, if this unity is achieved believe me the sky would be the limits.  Whatever! Wasnt it the same igbo's who let ikwerre's down during the war? Well I don't really know what you meant by these, but if we start to talk about these am sure a lot of people would have a lot to say, then issues like abandoned properties would come, these things are in the past, these things are bygone, lets talk about today and tomorrow, our future. Yesterday is gone make tomorrow your best friend, GOD bless us all.
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lioness (f)
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AMEN 
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Thanks for listening.
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babyosisi (f)
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Lioness au contraire,we Igbos do not hate Ikwerre people,the animosity stems from the Ikwerres denying they were Igbos and the abandoned property issue after the war and I believe the younger generation can right this wrong.
I regard Ikwerre people as Igbos but when I meet one that denies their heritage,I keep my distance because that person is capable of anything in my opinion.
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lioness (f)
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@babyosisi Whatever OK 
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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so far so good, god bless the ibo nation, and all her children.
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ayoeze11 (m)
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Ibo are proud of there culture, tribe etc. So also is Ikwere proud of there own nationality, so all hail lioness
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Giorgio
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this thread makes for sweet reading. i am etsako, but married to an igbo. i think we can all do well together despite our differences, and inspite of those who would rather see us apart
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lioness (f)
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IMAO  Ibo are proud of there culture, tribe etc. So also is Ikwere proud of there own nationality, so all hail lioness
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAS IDENTITY CRISIS _____________________________________
The links that ''babyosisi'' sent is a must read please, don't allow yourselves to be fooled by the people that wants to use you, what ever we do today decides our tommorow, the only people that will love you unconditionally are your own.
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babyosisi (f)
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Amen, Giorgio
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babyosisi (f)
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Igbos are a great people,we have our bad eggs like everybody else but our culture is so rich. An Igbo man is hard working,strong would work ten jobs if he has to in order to provide for his family.
Family is important to us,divorce is not as common in our culture compared to other nigerian tribes. I hate the word tribe,I call us a nation. The Igbo nation.
By human calculations,we should have been non existent by now,about 3-5 million of us killed in the war and the survivors left with $20 to start life over. There is no part of the earth you will not find an Igbo man. Whether a cab driver or a college professor,Igbos do their work with pride,we are not afraid of challenges or hard work.
I would never have wanted it anyother way. I thank God daily for making me an Igbo woman
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Igbo kwenu, kwezuenu Iseeeeeeee!
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ZuluNation (m)
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@ Ninetofive, babyosisi.
Both of you are my heroes on Nairaland. You guys make me so proud to be an Igbo man,I thank God every day for making me an Igbo man too. All our traditions and culture are to die for.
And all my brothers and sisters that lost their lives in the civil war fighting for our freedom may the lord bless their souls.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Zulunation @ Ninetofive, babyosisi.
Both of you are my heroes on Nairaland. You guys make me so proud to be an Igbo man,I thank God every day for making me an Igbo man too. All our traditions and culture are to die for.
And all my brothers and sisters that lost their lives in the civil war fighting for our freedom may the lord bless their souls.
Ka Chineke mezie okwu Nwannem, Ogemesia dinma.
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lioness (f)
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lol! Igbo thread. interpret what u say for non-igbo's like us 
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ayoeze11 (m)
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lioness is just a greating "kwenu" am not Ibo but those small stuff we in Niger no them, Unity in Diversity
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lioness (f)
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of course i was kidding lol! Am engaged to an igbo gy and he's teaching me 
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ayoeze11 (m)
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Lioness you see, so you planning to spent the rest of your life with an Ibo man and u are talking like this. You must be kidding
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lioness (f)
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hahah nah! not like that.  Even if am going to be with an ibo guy forever, doesnt mean i should deny my ikwerre "ninja" identity. 
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ayoeze11 (m)
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@lioness but if your guy sees these he would be very surprice, i guess u sometimes have hot dabate about this issue
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lioness (f)
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hahahah He already knows. He also appreciates our little differences.
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ayoeze11 (m)
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Your children would enjoy it and the would know more about there country
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babyosisi (f)
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@ lioness,I'm happy for you. Wish you the very best in your engagement and marriage eventually. If you need recipe for egusi and ogbono soup just let me know.
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