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lioness (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #96 on: July 27, 2006, 04:45 PM »

lol  Grin thanks, i have been visiting the Food thread alot Wink
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #97 on: July 27, 2006, 08:51 PM »



Congratulation, wish you the best.
ayoeze11 (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #98 on: July 28, 2006, 08:23 AM »

@Lioness do you know u are the main character of this topic, were are all happy with you, as you about settling down and leaving us behind
lioness (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #99 on: July 28, 2006, 08:42 AM »

Yea i just realized it.  Grin

Well, everyone get back to the topic plsss  Grin Grin
babyosisi (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #100 on: July 28, 2006, 09:25 PM »

from an article I read.

Question: Is Southeast and Igboland the same thing?
Answer: Not at all. Southeast is only about 3/5th of Igboland.
Igboland covers the whole of Southeast, parts of Rivers, Delta, Benue,
and Akwa Ibom states.
Question: Why were we taught in school that Igbo people are
easterners?
Answer: It is both an unfortunate parroting by teachers and careless
adoption by Igbo educated class. Igbo people come from Southern
Nigeria and not Eastern Nigeria. It may be correct to say that the
Igbo are found predominantly in eastern Nigeria. However, by saying
that the Igbo are easterners, the implication is that the Igbo in
western Nigeria, numbering about 2.5 million (Agbor, Ogwashi Ukwu,
Ibuzo, Okpanam, Asaba, Orimili, Ndokwa, Anioma, etc) are not Igbos.
The best known Igbo anthropologist Professor Mike Onwuejeogwu is from
the western part of Nigeria, Chukwuma Nzeogwu, Dennis Osadebe, Okonkwo
Adibe (the famous musician), Sony Odogwu, etc. are all from the
western part of Nigeria. They are no less Igbo than those who live in
the eastern part of Nigeria. The correct answer to your question is
"the Igbo come from Southern Nigeria."
Question: Why do some Igbo refer to themselves as "core Igbo?"
Answer: That is clearly arrant nonsense. Nobody is core and others
peripheral. All Igbo are the same. It is both arrogant, thoughtless
and insensitive for anybody to regard others as marginal.
Question: Is Igboland landlocked?
Answer: Not at all. Igboland stretches from Igwe Ocha (Port Harcourt)
to Agbor. The Atlantic ocean washes the shores of Igboland. Africa's
second largest river - River Niger, traverses Igboland with one part
of Igboland in the east and another part in the west of Nigeria. Uguta
Lake has the potential of accommodating large ships and could be made
a navigable port. If Igboland is landlocked, then all Nigeria is
landlocked.
Question: Is there oil in Igboland?
Answer: Yes, indeed. There is a lot of oil in Imo State, Abia, Ebonyi,
Rivers State and Delta States Igbo areas, and now in Anambra. Besides,
Igboland has many other natural resources, including coal, limestone,
etc.
Question: Are the Igbo a nation or a tribe?
Answer: The Igbo are a nation, and a very large one. There are many
tribes in Igbo nation, just like you have many tribes within Israel.
Question: Why do some Ikwerre people say they are not Igbo?
Answer: First, it is not up to them to say what they are and what they
are not. When God created them, He did not ask them who they wanted to
be. He just created them Igbo. The only way you'll know who belongs to
what ethnic group in Nigeria is the name and what language the name
comes from. Anybody whose name is Amadi or Onyeri, or Eke, or Odili,
Wanodi (Nwanodi) does not need to tell you who he is. He is Igbo, his
politics notwithstanding.
Question: But they claim that their language is Ikwerre, not Igbo.
Answer: That is politics. Ikwerre is a dialect of Igbo language. Just
like an Ngwa man speaks Ngwa Igbo, Arochukwu speaks Arochukwu Igbo,
etc.
Question: Some people say that Igbo language is not complete, is it
true?
Answer: No language is complete. All languages borrow from each other.
Igbo language is very rich. It has inexhaustible and rich linguistic
features like idioms, proverbs, aphorisms, sayings, anecdotes,
riddles, folklores, etc. Igbo language is one of the major languages
of the world, being spoken by millions of people.
Question: How many are the Igbo?
Answer: The Igbo are very numerous. There is educated guess that if
Nigeria's census is properly enumerated, the Igbo could easily be the
largest ethnic group in the country. They may number up to 40 million.
Everything right now, is speculation. Nobody knows the true
stratification or ethnic populations in Nigeria. The Igbo are the only
ethnic group found in large numbers everywhere in Nigeria, and foreign
countries more than any other ethnic group in Africa.
Question: Do the Igbo have a culture of their own?
Answer: Yes, indeed. Igbo culture is perhaps, one of the richest and
all-encompassing cultures in this world.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #101 on: July 29, 2006, 02:20 AM »



To Babyosisi


Quote from: babyosisi on July 28, 2006, 09:25 PM
from an article I read.

Question: Is Southeast and Igboland the same thing?
Answer: Not at all. Southeast is only about 3/5th of Igboland.
Igboland covers the whole of Southeast, parts of Rivers, Delta, Benue,
and Akwa Ibom states.
Question: Why were we taught in school that Igbo people are
easterners?
Answer: It is both an unfortunate parroting by teachers and careless
adoption by Igbo educated class. Igbo people come from Southern
Nigeria and not Eastern Nigeria. It may be correct to say that the
Igbo are found predominantly in eastern Nigeria. However, by saying
that the Igbo are easterners, the implication is that the Igbo in
western Nigeria, numbering about 2.5 million (Agbor, Ogwashi Ukwu,
Ibuzo, Okpanam, Asaba, Orimili, Ndokwa, Anioma, etc) are not Igbos.
The best known Igbo anthropologist Professor Mike Onwuejeogwu is from
the western part of Nigeria, Chukwuma Nzeogwu, Dennis Osadebe, Okonkwo
Adibe (the famous musician), Sony Odogwu, etc. are all from the
western part of Nigeria. They are no less Igbo than those who live in
the eastern part of Nigeria. The correct answer to your question is
"the Igbo come from Southern Nigeria."
Question: Why do some Igbo refer to themselves as "core Igbo?"
Answer: That is clearly arrant nonsense. Nobody is core and others
peripheral. All Igbo are the same. It is both arrogant, thoughtless
and insensitive for anybody to regard others as marginal.
Question: Is Igboland landlocked?
Answer: Not at all. Igboland stretches from Igwe Ocha (Port Harcourt)
to Agbor. The Atlantic ocean washes the shores of Igboland. Africa's
second largest river - River Niger, traverses Igboland with one part
of Igboland in the east and another part in the west of Nigeria. Uguta
Lake has the potential of accommodating large ships and could be made
a navigable port. If Igboland is landlocked, then all Nigeria is
landlocked.
Question: Is there oil in Igboland?
Answer: Yes, indeed. There is a lot of oil in Imo State, Abia, Ebonyi,
Rivers State and Delta States Igbo areas, and now in Anambra. Besides,
Igboland has many other natural resources, including coal, limestone,
etc.
Question: Are the Igbo a nation or a tribe?
Answer: The Igbo are a nation, and a very large one. There are many
tribes in Igbo nation, just like you have many tribes within Israel.
Question: Why do some Ikwerre people say they are not Igbo?
Answer: First, it is not up to them to say what they are and what they
are not. When God created them, He did not ask them who they wanted to
be. He just created them Igbo. The only way you'll know who belongs to
what ethnic group in Nigeria is the name and what language the name
comes from. Anybody whose name is Amadi or Onyeri, or Eke, or Odili,
Wanodi (Nwanodi) does not need to tell you who he is. He is Igbo, his
politics notwithstanding.
Question: But they claim that their language is Ikwerre, not Igbo.
Answer: That is politics. Ikwerre is a dialect of Igbo language. Just
like an Ngwa man speaks Ngwa Igbo, Arochukwu speaks Arochukwu Igbo,
etc.
Question: Some people say that Igbo language is not complete, is it
true?
Answer: No language is complete. All languages borrow from each other.
Igbo language is very rich. It has inexhaustible and rich linguistic
features like idioms, proverbs, aphorisms, sayings, anecdotes,
riddles, folklores, etc. Igbo language is one of the major languages
of the world, being spoken by millions of people.
Question: How many are the Igbo?
Answer: The Igbo are very numerous. There is educated guess that if
Nigeria's census is properly enumerated, the Igbo could easily be the
largest ethnic group in the country. They may number up to 40 million.
Everything right now, is speculation. Nobody knows the true
stratification or ethnic populations in Nigeria. The Igbo are the only
ethnic group found in large numbers everywhere in Nigeria, and foreign
countries more than any other ethnic group in Africa.
Question: Do the Igbo have a culture of their own?
Answer: Yes, indeed. Igbo culture is perhaps, one of the richest and
all-encompassing cultures in this world.


       I can only say waoh!, what an article, I would not hesitate to conclude that you 've left no stone unturned, I deem it a challenge for our historians or educationists to carry out an elaborate investigation on our history and geographical settings, why would one continue to wonder why all the confusions, is now very transparent that a lot of people deny being Igbo out of ignorance or on a more subtle note ''not knowing, born out of careless omitions by our educationists, every Igbo person is authentic, this notion should be encouraged more.

       Am of the opinion that this things has been ignored for too long, there has never been a better time than now to sort out these problems, this confusion is so frivolous in its nature that it has to be attended to and corrected with an urgent immediacy. It should be noted that all the people that deny's being Igbo would have claimed to be Igbo one time or the other in there life, depending on how these claim benefits them at the moment in question, this is an undeniable fact dictum factum, all we just need to do is search our souls, we can only grow when we are united.

       Babyosisi you are one in a million,  Igbo kwenu.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #102 on: July 29, 2006, 03:18 AM »



THERE IS EVERY SIGNS THAT SHOWS WE WOULD SURELY GET THERE.
Txlonghorn (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #103 on: July 29, 2006, 03:42 AM »

Babyosis and Ninetofive, you guys are really schooling me about my people, thanks a lot guys. I love the last article it's so educational. They part about Igbos being the largest ethnic group in Nigeria is so ture. And could be found in every look and corner of the world wow. I had the wildest experience about that on my last trip to Nigeria just last month. Obim and I was on our way to Niger state and for some reason  our vehicle broke down in the middle of nowhere in Niger state, Guess you can out from one of the villages by the road side to help us out, an Igbo man  from Nsukka.

These just goes to tell you that Igbos could be found just about any where in Nigeria.

kabiyesi (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #104 on: July 29, 2006, 10:23 AM »

I enjoy this thread. As a Yoruba, I know the importance of culture. A man without culture is like a river that forgets its source. We all know what'll be the end result of that river.

An example of that is the African American community, very religious, church on every block, but something is missing. What is it? Culture. They took away their culture and gave them religion. Culture is the foundation and if it's not solid, nothing else 'll stand. You cannot replace culture with religion, but they can co-exist. Let's learn from the Asians, their respective culture is sacred to them. We know where they are now, and we know where we are. It starts from home. Every child must be fluent in his/her mother tongue. It's wrong for an African mother to be conversing with her children in a foreign tongue, especially in abroad. The children 'll speak english outside, but at home the lingua franca must be an african language.

Also the name we bear is equally important. It's prevalent in the South-South and South-East to bear Oyinbo names. Names like emeka, dozie, uche, kanu, chika, ngozi, azikiwe, obi, ada e.t.c are meaningful and soulful, compared to monday, friday, saturday, polycarp, hyacinth, fabian e.t.c

Yoruba believes that you're a reflection of the name you bear, that's why yoruba name must have deep meaning, as indicated here:

http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/yor.php


******

babyosisi ~ Your link states that Judaism is one of the three religions of Igbo Nation. Is it true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people

If it were to be a typo, please someone should edit wikipedia 'because it'll indicate a forced attachment complex.

~ awa lomo oduduwa
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #105 on: July 29, 2006, 02:58 PM »

To kabiyesi

Quote from: kabiyesi on July 29, 2006, 10:23 AM
I enjoy this thread. As a Yoruba, I know the importance of culture. A man without culture is like a river that forgets its source. We all know what'll be the end result of that river.

An example of that is the African American community, very religious, church on every block, but something is missing. What is it? Culture. They took away their culture and gave them religion. Culture is the foundation and if it's not solid, nothing else 'll stand. You cannot replace culture with religion, but they can co-exist. Let's learn from the Asians, their respective culture is sacred to them. We know where they are now, and we know where we are. It starts from home. Every child must be fluent in his/her mother tongue. It's wrong for an African mother to be conversing with her children in a foreign tongue, especially in abroad. The children 'll speak english outside, but at home the lingua franca must be an african language.

Also the name we bear is equally important. It's prevalent in the South-South and South-East to bear Oyinbo names. Names like emeka, dozie, uche, kanu, chika, ngozi, azikiwe, obi, ada e.t.c are meaningful and soulful, compared to monday, friday, saturday, polycarp, hyacinth, fabian e.t.c

Yoruba believes that you're a reflection of the name you bear, that's why yoruba name must have deep meaning, as indicated here:

http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/yor.php


******

babyosisi ~ Your link states that Judaism is one of the three religions of Igbo Nation. Is it true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people

If it were to be a typo, please someone should edit wikipedia 'because it'll indicate a forced attachment complex.

~ awa lomo oduduwa

  may GOD bless you my brother, you are one civilized African a lot of people rush into conclusion that you are trying to divide African's when you discurse issues with demographic or ethnic undertone, afterall our culture is our pride, all your points are completely assimilated, all the Igbos that deny's there heritage should be ashamed.
chinani (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #106 on: July 30, 2006, 03:47 AM »

Very nice post Kabiyesi. This was especially insightful:
Quote from: kabiyesi on July 29, 2006, 10:23 AM
An example of that is the African American community, very religious, church on every block, but something is missing. What is it? Culture. They took away their culture and gave them religion. Culture is the foundation and if it's not solid, nothing else 'll stand. You cannot replace culture with religion, but they can co-exist. Let's learn from the Asians, their respective culture is sacred to them. We know where they are now, and we know where we are.

Another great point. I had to quote you for emphasis!
Quote from: kabiyesi on July 29, 2006, 10:23 AM
It starts from home. Every child must be fluent in his/her mother tongue. It's wrong for an African mother to be conversing with her children in a foreign tongue, especially in abroad. The children 'll speak english outside, but at home the lingua franca must be an african language.
Genial (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #107 on: July 30, 2006, 07:22 PM »

This is all very interesting to read.

I just discovered recently that people could bear Igbo names and not be Igbo.

In my view, previously, it was a simple matter - you bear an Igbo name, so you must be Igbo.

Until I was verbally attacked by Igbo-name-bearing, Igbo-speaking-with-certain-dialectical-modifications people who literally swore they were not Igbo.

I was left confused. Still am confused. What then determines your ethnicity, if not your language and culture?  Undecided
babyosisi (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #108 on: July 30, 2006, 11:26 PM »

Genial ,I don't know if you went through the task of reading all our postings here.
It's all politics,deep in every man,he knows who he really is despite what he chooses to call himself.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck,and even come get webbed feet,it is a duck.
This is one of the biggest problem we have in Nigeria,greed and disunity.

Don't be suprised tomorrow if diamond is found in Abeokuta and they suddenly declare themselves a different ethnic group despite their names.
Who suffers?,the whole nation,we all suffer,every man wants for himself.
The funny thing is that despite the bad treatment Igbos received from Ijaws and other ethnic groups in Rivers state after the war especially their properties that were stolen from them,today they own a sizeable portion of the real estate in Port Harcourt.

We are doing a great injustice to Ikwerre people who died as Biafrans when we say they are not Igbos,they would have never fought if they thought so.Many delta Igbos gave their lives too.They are not any less Igbo than myself.
The politicians have us all deep in all this hatred and denials and like they say,when one tells a lie for so long,it isn't long before he starts to believe his own lies.

Igbo Kwenu.


kabiyesi (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #109 on: July 30, 2006, 11:30 PM »

babyosisi ~ Your link states that Judaism is one of the three religions of Igbo Nation. Is it true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people

If it were to be a typo, please someone should edit wikipedia 'because it'll indicate a forced attachment complex.
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #110 on: July 30, 2006, 11:33 PM »

It is not a lie.

Search African Jew in Wikipedia.

They Mention Ibo Jews
richie123
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #111 on: July 30, 2006, 11:36 PM »

hello nike i'll like to meet you.
my name is richard.
You can call me on 08025018304
kabiyesi (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #112 on: July 31, 2006, 12:10 AM »

JosBoy4Lif ~ Any one can put anything in the Wikipedia. I need more info on this. Which sub-group is Jewish?

It reminds me of some Yoruba muslims saying that Yoruba came from Mecca.
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #113 on: July 31, 2006, 12:12 AM »

I never said that what the wrote is true.

To me it sounds like a crock, but i just stated that it is there thats all.

I'm not familiar with Igbo history, therefor i cannot say anything regarding this topic.
Genial (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #114 on: July 31, 2006, 12:39 AM »

@Babyosisi

Thanks. I did read all the posts.

It's all been very interesting and informative.

One cannot help but wonder at the vehemence of the refutations of Igbo identity.

It makes the denial theory look very plausible.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #115 on: August 02, 2006, 01:08 AM »

We are not through yet, come out with your views, we wont stop until IBO'S are united, IGBO KWENU.
babyosisi (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #116 on: August 02, 2006, 03:16 AM »

An excerpt from an article by Ubanese Nwanganga.



 All over the world people of common ancestry are closing ranks to further their collective interests. The Igbo should not be an exception. People of Igbo origin occupy much of rivers state. The enemies of Igbo unity are happy that they are in disarray. But when a woman is thrown down exposing her nakedness she quickly covers it. Igbo leaders should behave like the proverbial woman whose nakedness has been exposed. If there is a riot today in anywhere in the north the Igbo from rivers as well as delta are treated like their kinsmen from southeast. During the past successive military regimes led by northerners, there was no discrimination between the Igbo of southeast and their kinsmen from rivers and delta in the appointment of military administrators. The rivers’ slot or delta’s always went to the riverine areas, that is, to the Ijaw, Itsekiri and Urhobo. So, I do not see why the Igbo outside southeast should continue to see themselves as belonging to outside Igboland. They are Igbo and are seen as such by other Nigerians.

 

The Ohanaeze owes it a duty to Igbo to unite them. In doing so it should find out why the Igbo of Ikwerre sub group, for instance, do not want to have anything to do with the Igbo of southeast. Whatever is the reason should be looked into with a view to addressing it squarely. The time for this is now. I take this position because there is an inherent danger in postponing it. The generations of Igbo leaders from these areas who know the truth are aging now. Therefore something must be done in order to bridge the generational gap that might arise if action is delayed. All the children born to the Igbo in rivers and around Ndokwa and Ika in delta since the end of the war have been fed with lies that they are not Igbo. Some of them are already in their thirties and waiting to take over from their aging parents and grand parents. If they do not receive the truth from them it will be difficult to convince them (the youth) later. Senator Francis Ellah is still alive. So are Victor Igwe Masi, Elechi Amadi, Sergeant Awuse, etc.  A house divided cannot stand.
ayoeze11 (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #117 on: August 02, 2006, 08:27 AM »

Ibo's here you come again, I know people would definately mention these Ibo are Jews stuff, abeg take am easy, if truly you are Jews, you should currently have the right to go to Isreal any time.But no denying the fact that you share some similarities in culture and believe, but calling you Jews is not right
Genial (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #118 on: August 02, 2006, 12:02 PM »

Quote from: ayoeze11 on August 02, 2006, 08:27 AM
Ibo's here you come again, I know people would definately mention these Ibo are Jews stuff, abeg take am easy, if truly you are Jews, you should currently have the right to go to Isreal any time.But no denying the fact that you share some similarities in culture and believe, but calling you Jews is not right

Why is it not right?

Do you have any specific reason?

babyosisi (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #119 on: August 02, 2006, 02:12 PM »

ayoeze,with an Igbo name what do you call yourself?
ayoeze11 (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #120 on: August 02, 2006, 04:09 PM »

@Genial no concrete prove
Genial (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #121 on: August 02, 2006, 04:59 PM »

Quote from: ayoeze11 on August 02, 2006, 04:09 PM
@Genial no concrete prove

Quote from: ayoeze11 on August 02, 2006, 08:27 AM
Ibo's here you come again, I know people would definately mention these Ibo are Jews stuff, abeg take am easy, if truly you are Jews, you should currently have the right to go to Isreal any time.But no denying the fact that you share some similarities in culture and believe, but calling you Jews is not right

Is there something you're not saying?

Quote from: ayoeze11 on August 02, 2006, 08:27 AM
Ibo's here you come again, I know people would definately mention these Ibo are Jews stuff, abeg take am easy, if truly you are Jews, you should currently have the right to go to Isreal any time.But no denying the fact that you share some similarities in culture and believe, but calling you Jews is not right

Now that is a statement of fact, not a statement of your opinion.

There must be something you know, but are not telling, that makes you so sure of the rightness or otherwise of referring to Igbos as Jews.

Do tell.

ayoeze11 (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #122 on: August 02, 2006, 05:07 PM »

@Genial, according Ibo myth(not fact) cliam Ibo originate from Jews, but from recent history during the time the roman army caputure Isreal and how the jews were scattered all over there is no strong data to prove it, you can search the net you would not find anything, i had a research on these stuff, I waste money that is why I do not like talking about it.
Zahymaka (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #123 on: August 02, 2006, 06:16 PM »

I promised not to post here again, but I must speak for everyone who talks of me being Igbo. I'm sorry the argument here is coming from my Dad who was around before the civil war as was his father, so no talk of being brainwashed. O fcourse, I couldn't put up a defence, but here's what he has to say. When he sends me more stuff, I shall post it here.

Azuka,

We are not Igbo people, and you are not an IGBO man. While the Ukwuani language is an Ibo dialect, this does not mean that we are IGBO people. Culturally and historically our ancestors migrated from Ancient Benin Kindom during a period of much internal crisis and hatred in the kingdom. Our people did not want to have anything to do with the Edo kingdom having escaped from the Oba’s control and influence. It was not only the Ukwuani people , but both Isoko’s and Urhobo’s.

We met the IGBO’s on the other side of the river Niger and traded with them since they had no kings and operated a form of Clanlike democracy. Due to cultural diffusion and inter-trading we imbibed there dialect over the centuries. Yes Ukwuani is an Ibo dialect, but culturally and in most of our traditions, social sanctions, religious worship, ideals and mode of life we are not Igbo people. From ancient time till now the Igbo man can sell his brother for money. We may be poor, but we are proud and have ideals that we cannot sacrifice for money. The Igboman is not bad, he is hardworking, but he can sell his mother for money. Do not ague with them, but do not enter into any money business with them. Every Nigerian speaks English, we know that we are not Britons.

 The Itshekiri man understands Yoruba language, due to the lingual dialect, but he is not a Yoruba man.

There is a lingual understanding between the Okrika, kalabari and Izon languages but the kalabari and Okrika’s are not classed as Ijaws in Nigeria.

The Effik and Ibibio’s understand each other but the Ibibio’s are classed as a different tribe.

Every tribe in the Northern Nigeria speaks Hausa language, they they are not Hausa’s.

The Igala tribe in Kogi state speak a dialect of Yoruba language but they are not Yoruba’s.

The Ogba people(omoku is there major town) speak a dialect of the Ibo, they are in rivers state, there ancestors migrated from Benin, and they are called the OGBA people. You must have heard of the Obi of Ogbaland.

All the Ibo speeking tribes that migrated from Benin have Kings that are called The OBI. Eg. Onitsha, Isele Ukwu, Aboh(in Ukwuani), Agbor etc.

 Even the indigenous Onitsha man do not call himself an Igbo man because his ancestors came from Benin, culturally he does not sell his daughter for money in the name of marriage, despite being on the same side of the river Niger and the same state.

The Igbo man has never had king and will never have one( forget about the political kings that they are creating in other to get money from Federal Government).

The Jews, Arabs, Palestinian, Sirians and most of the middle east in the time of Jesus understood each other(that was why Jesus recognized the Samaritan woman through her dialect) but had different dialects.

 

We are therefore not the only tribe in Nigeria that speaks a dialect of a major language that is tribally and culturally different.

 

Language alone does not prove differences of tribes. The mode of life, customs and traditions, religion and ideals of life all go to show who we are.

 

I shall write more on this later.

 

Every Igbo man, wants everybody to be Igbo since there dream of a Biafra failed. They have always laid claim to even areas of land in Nigeria that there ancestors had no business with.

 

Regards,

 

Your daddy

 
From: 'Me'
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:56 AM
To: 'Daddy'
Subject: Question

 

Hello Daddy,

I was cornered by someone who insisted that I was wrong in saying I was Ukwuani not Igbo. He had lots of documentation and all to prove it and I couldn't put up a good defense.

While I do not believe I am Igbo, I want to have an idea of my ethnicity. I do not know how to prove I'm from a different area.

You also promised us that you were going to tell us our history -- the history of our family -- someday. I don't know if that someday is now, but I am curious enough to wish it was now.

When you have time could you tell me about these things?

Azuka
babyosisi (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #124 on: August 02, 2006, 07:30 PM »

Zahymaka I could not resist responding to you.
Your dad sounds very bitter about something.
His allegations about Igbos selling their fellowman is most disturbing,I wonder what evidence he may have or if he's been a witness to the sale.

Ask him how many of his kinsmen including relatives died for Biafra.
Ask him what tribe Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu claimed and died for Biafra.
Ask him what Chief Osadebe,a renowned Biafran claimed as his tribe.
Ask him on whose side did Elechi Amadi the reknowned author from Ikwerre fight during the war even though he changed sides and started championing the Ikwerre non igbo non sense after they got their share of abandoned properties  after the war.

Tell him that a lady in the forum says that not all Northerners speak Hausa,they have their indeginous languages and some learnt Hausa,some do not speak nor understand it,I lived in the north so I know what I'm saying.
Delta Igbos on the other hand were born speaking nothing else but Igbo.
His analogy that answering an English name does not make you English is correct.
 I'll also add that waking up tommorrow and slicing off one's genitals does not also make him a woman.

The Igbos are a great race no matter what anyone says.
We are successful,proud and large in number.
We are not begging for membership.
I come from Umuahia,miles away from Cross river state,we have never said they were Igbos,our languages and cultures are different.
Yorubas in Kwara classified North speak a different dialect but they know who they are.

There are very many proud igbos in the delta region,some are members of World Igbo congress here in the united states,one of them is my inlaw,he is a fine Igboman who knows his roots.If your family and some others claim non Igbo bless you and good riddance.
But please don't speak for those who want to identify with their people,that would be unfair
Lastly I would have you know that if ever the northerners start slaughtering Igbos tomorrow(God forbid),
'Ukwuani tribe' will not be spared.
Zahymaka (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #125 on: August 02, 2006, 07:45 PM »

I have refrained from quoting you in full. Yes, my Dad does have a certain bias towards the Igbo -- speaking of selling their own mother for money and all that, which I'm open to hear your opinions about.

The fact that these few people said they were Igbo and the majority maintain they're not should speak for itself.

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If your family and some others claim non Igbo bless you and good riddance.
But please don't speak for those who want to identify with their people,that would be unfair
Lastly I would have you know that if ever the northerners start slaughtering Igbos tomorrow(God forbid),
'Ukwuani tribe' may not be spared.

I find this to be highly insulting, but I won't take any offence. We're after all, debating peacefully - please keep a peaceful tone. When I came here and voiced my opinion, NINETOFIVE attacked me and I didn't get into a senseless brouhaha as this seems to be the case. Let's examine everything calmly with the aim of enlightenment. If anyone knows me well, I do not form opinions based on what I've been told, but because I have an open mind and examine them from different angles.

Going back on topic,  the fact that Northerners slaughter Ukwuanis as well says very little. They're also likely to slaughter other Southern tribes from Cross River and Ijaws the way Southerners would slaughter any Northerner who speaks Hausa although he isn't.

As always, I apologize if I came off as rude, but I seek te path to knowledge and I get very touchy when there's a lot of flaming because I can't control myself. You have the floor.
babyosisi (f)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #126 on: August 02, 2006, 07:49 PM »

which people are you talking about the whole delta igbos or your Ukwuani tribe.
Zahymaka (m)
Re: Ibo's Be United {from Ikwere To Kwale} There Is Nothing Like Fake Ibo
« #127 on: August 02, 2006, 07:53 PM »

Is this some sort of witch-hunt? Or are you trying to imply only the Ukwuanis say they aren't Igbo?

Well, my cousin is from Aboh [the language isn't Ukwuani] and the family has always maintained that they aren't Igbo.

I haven't corroborated the Onitsha story my Dad was talking about so I'll give it the benefit of doubt. Could you throw some light on that?
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