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mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #544 on: November 25, 2007, 06:20 PM »

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babs787 (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #545 on: November 25, 2007, 06:50 PM »

                                                     
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MERCIFUL, THE COMPASSIONATE

All praise is due to Allah who has guided us to follow the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), the leader of the Messengers; who has granted us the capacity to remain steadfast on the pillars and essential principles of Deen Al-Islam; who has made it easy for us to follow the footsteps and way of our pious predecessors, to the extent that our hearts have been illuminated with the knowledge of the Shari'ah and the conclusive argument in favour of the evident truth; and who has kept our internal souls free from the contamination of falsehood.

We praise and thank Him for having blessed us with the light of certainty, and for having granted us strength and courage to continuously hold fast to His strong rope. These favours are all out of His Bounty and Grace. We testify that there is no deity besides Almighty Allah, who is alone, and has no partner or associates, and that, without doubt, our Beloved Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Servant and Messenger of Allah, the Leader of those who are first and those who are last. May Allah send His Salaams and Blessings upon him (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), his Household and Progeny, his Companions and those who follow their path until the Day of Judgement (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and (always) say a word directed to the Right".

Allah's Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever believes in Allah and the Hereafter should either say what is good, or otherwise remain silent".


Birthday from Islamic Point of View

 

In fact, commemorating the birth of a distinguished person has never been prescribed by any religion attributing itself to divine revelation. It was originally a custom prevalent in pagan communities only. Even Christmas, the famous Christian feast commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ finds no mention in the Bible or in the early Christian writings."

 
"In original Islamic resources, also we cannot find any instruction about the celebration of birthdays or death anniversaries.

Islam teaches Muslim to have a unique character and to be distinguished. A Muslim is weaned on morality and avoiding blind imitation.

 The experience shows that the celebration is ultimately mixed up with an element of merrymaking and rejoicing and is generally confused with secular festivals and the secular, and often sinful, activities creep into it gradually

 Birthdays are celebrated yearly and Muslims only celebrate the 2 Eids yearly those are our two annual festivals and that’s all the Prophet (saw) celebrated.
 
Furthermore birthday's usually consist of cake, candles, and the giving of gifts which are an imitations of the Jews and the Christians The Prophet (saw) said, warning us against following their ways and traditions: “You would follow the ways of those who came before you step by step, to such an extent that if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would enter it too.” They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?” ( by Al-Bukhaari and Muslim). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.

Principally, birthdays are not something that should be celebrated or to be happy about. When it is someone's birthday, one year of his/her life has decreased, and not increased. As such, what intelligence is there in celebrating and showing happiness when a year has decreased in one's life?

Before understanding the legal ruling with regards to birthday celebrations, it is worth remembering here that imitation of the unbelievers (Kuffar) is something that Islam strictly disapproves of.

In a Hadith recorded by Imam Abu Dawud (Allah have Mercy on him) and others, The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

“Whosoever imitates a nation is amongst them”. (Sunan Abu Dawud,)

It should be remembered here that not everything what the non-Muslims wear and do, is Haram and unlawful. Imitation, which is prohibited, is effected in one of the following two ways:

a) One does something with the intention of imitating the Kuffar, meaning one does so because one wants to be like a particular non-believer or non-believers.

Doing something that is unique and exclusive to the non-believers or it is part of their faith. This will also be considered imitation, thus Haram (unlawful).

In light of the above, there are few situations with regards to the Shariah (legal) ruling on celebrating birthdays:

1.       If it is celebrated by imitating the Kuffar in that all or some of the customs that are unique with the Kuffar are adopted, or acts that are unlawful in Shariah are committed, then there is no doubt in its impermissibility. The lighting of candles on a cake that number the years of one’s life and then blowing on them, playing of music, singing, extravagant and lavish spending, showing off, etc are all unlawful and forbidden practices.

Thus, if birthdays are celebrated by adopting the above-mentioned customs, it will not be permissible.
 
2.       If the above-mentioned evils are avoided, then there are two possibilities:

a) If one celebrates birthdays with the intention of imitating the Kuffar meaning one does so because one wants to be like the Kuffar, then, as stated previously, it will be considered imitating the Kuffar, thus unlawful.

b). If there is no intention of imitating the Kuffar (and also the above mentioned evils are avoided) then the ruling on celebrating birthdays will depend on whether it originated from the religious customs of the non-Muslims and it is part of their faith. (It can not be considered to be unique with the Kuffar, for celebrating birthdays has become a widespread phenomenon that is carried out in many different parts of the world). I am personally unaware of whether celebrating birthdays has a connection with the Christian faith or other wise, thus I am unable to give a decisive ruling.

However, the criterion of which the ruling will be based have been mentioned. If the origins of birthday celebrations are connected to a particular faith, then there is no doubt in its impermissibility. If, however, it has no connections with the faith of the non-Muslims, then (and Allah knows best) it seems that it would be permissible to celebrate it (provided the evils mentioned above are avoided).

3.       If one thanks Allah and shows gratitude for being blessed with one more year of his life, thus expresses happiness and joy, then there is nothing wrong with that. 

Shedding more light on the issue, the prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Tajuddin Hamid Al-Hilali, Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, states:

"A Muslim has a distinguished personality. He should not imitate others in evil things and leave the good ones. Talking to our children about their birthdays, we should remind them that on such days they should remember the blessings of Allah and praise Him for giving them life and guidance. It would be better if we ask them to offer something in charity as a form of showing gratitude.

Still there is nothing wrong if we try to make them feel happy on that day as long as we are using lawful things. It is better if we make it a day ahead or a day after.

We need to be alarmed and never allow Western traditions that are based on individualism, to ruin our families. Thus, calling birthdays is not accepted, for this has no basis in Islam. At the same time, there is nothing wrong if we use these occasions to inculcate Islamic principles in our children, like showing gratitude to Allah, praising Him and seizing the chance of this life in performing good deeds since the older we grow the nearer to the grave we come."

Islam supports the celebration of birthdays if it is an expression of gratitude to Allah for His bounties, sustenance and blessings in man’s life, as long as that celebration does not include anything that may displease Allah, the Almighty. In this context the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was asked about fasting on Mondays, and he answered: “It is the day on which I was born.” Muslim scholars take this hadith and the hadith of fasting on the Day of `Ashura’ (10th of Mharram) as evidence on the permissibility of celebrating good occasions, which have special significance in our religion such as occasions like the birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

In this context, people must be aware that celebrating such occasions, e.g. the Prophet’s birthday, is no more than a matter of habit, and by no means a religious requirement. However, if it entails any forbidden practices, such a celebration becomes forbidden for that reason alone.

And Allah knows best


Maa Salam
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #546 on: December 02, 2007, 09:59 PM »

What can we give as a sacrifice, a testament to our faith in Allah and this beautiful religion? We can think of many things that we think would suffice, but the two best things(besides the 5 Pillars) would be blood and marks.

You may ask what a drop of blood or a mark can do for you. Think and ponder on these things written in hadith:

"Abu Umamah (RA) narrates that Rasulullah(SAWS) said:

"Nothing is dearer to Allah than two drops and two marks;
1. A drop of tears shed due to the fear of Allah, and
2. A drop of blood shed in the path of Allah.

Regarding the two marks, they are:
1. A mark received in the cause of Allah (mark of a wound,
signs of walking in the path of Allah, a layer of dust), and
2. And a mark caused in observing one of the obligatory
commandments of Allah ( as for example: *the mark of
prostration or a mark attained during the journey of
Hajj)". [TIRMIDHI]

*Abu Hurairah(RA) narrates that Rasulullah(SAWS) said:

", The angels will recognize them in the Fire, by their marks
of prostration, " [Muslim]
(These marks are where the Muslim prostrates of his seven
parts of the body i.e. Face(forehead/nose), two palms, two knees, and two feet.)

How blessed we are to be able to have something to show or add to our book of deeds, Inshallah! The marks do not come because of doing something on purpose to gain the mark. It is due to the true and humble acts of submission to our Creator. It is due to our yearning to follow the ways and practices of the Prophet(SAWS). It is due to the fear and need to get closer to Allah. There are many things that we can do to earn the blessings and merits from Allah., these are just a few.
I-man (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #547 on: December 02, 2007, 10:06 PM »

Quote from: mukina2 on December 02, 2007, 09:59 PM
What can we give as a sacrifice, a testament to our faith in Allah and this beautiful religion? We can think of many things that we think would suffice, but the two best things(besides the 5 Pillars) would be blood and marks.

You may ask what a drop of blood or a mark can do for you. Think and ponder on these things written in hadith:

"Abu Umamah (RA) narrates that Rasulullah(SAWS) said:

"Nothing is dearer to Allah than two drops and two marks;
1. A drop of tears shed due to the fear of Allah, and
2. A drop of blood shed in the path of Allah.

Nothing is dearer to Allah than "a drop of blood shed in the path of Allah"?  Grin 
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #548 on: December 02, 2007, 10:13 PM »

Quote from: mukina2 on December 02, 2007, 09:59 PM
"Abu Umamah (RA) narrates that Rasulullah(SAWS) said:

"Nothing is dearer to Allah than two drops and two marks;
1. A drop of tears shed due to the fear of Allah, and

1. A mark received in the cause of Allah (mark of a wound,
signs of walking in the path of Allah

Now we fully understand the baying of the crowd in Khartoum. They were only trying to give allah another sacrifice of blood . . . not dropwisely but by the bucketloads.

hmmm now we understand the motive behind suicide bombing, nothing is dearer to allah than the shedding of ones own blood as a sacrifice in the cause of alah.

hmmm. Islam indeed is peace!
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #549 on: December 02, 2007, 10:23 PM »

Quote from: davidylan on December 02, 2007, 10:13 PM
Now we fully understand the baying of the crowd in Khartoum. They were only trying to give allah another sacrifice of blood . . . not dropwisely but by the bucketloads.

hmmm now we understand the motive behind suicide bombing, nothing is dearer to allah than the shedding of ones own blood as a sacrifice in the cause of alah.

hmmm. Islam indeed is peace!

see how you guys have turned it to ur own way Cheesy

I-man (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #550 on: December 02, 2007, 10:25 PM »

We never know whose blood is to be shed. . . . . .is it the adherent or the kuffar?  Grin  Grin I'm alright for people shedding blood,if the blood is theirs,like those Shia during their processions,but e be like say na other people's blood Allah wants.

Nothing is dearer to Allah than the shedding of blood in his path!The most candid admission I have yet seen on this forum.     

Quote from: mukina2 on December 02, 2007, 10:23 PM
see how you guys have turned it to your own way Cheesy

Na you post am  Grin Oya,explain to us what it really means. . . . .it seems self-explanatory.
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #551 on: December 02, 2007, 10:27 PM »

Quote from: I-man on December 02, 2007, 10:25 PM
We never know whose blood is to be shed. . . . . .is it the adherent or the kuffar?  Grin  Grin I'm alright for people shedding blood,if the blood is theirs,like those Shia during their processions,but e be like say na other people's blood Allah wants.

Nothing is dearer to Allah than the shedding of blood in his path!The most candid admission I have yet seen on this forum.     

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

must you guys always turn  everything your own way Undecided
I-man (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #552 on: December 02, 2007, 10:29 PM »

Quote from: mukina2 on December 02, 2007, 10:27 PM
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

must you guys always turn  everything your own way Undecided

Oya. . . explain wetin you just post.What blood is to be shed and in what circumstances?  Grin
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #553 on: December 02, 2007, 10:33 PM »

Quote from: I-man on December 02, 2007, 10:29 PM
Oya. . . explain wetin you just post.What blood is to be shed and in what circumstances?  Grin

i wont Tongue leave me alone Tongue
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #554 on: December 02, 2007, 10:36 PM »

Quote from: mukina2 on December 02, 2007, 10:33 PM
i wont Tongue leave me alone Tongue

perhaps that blood that is dear to allah is the blood of sallah rams?
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #555 on: December 02, 2007, 10:44 PM »

Yes Sir David Cheesy

I am  gone o .   Grin
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #556 on: December 03, 2007, 08:31 PM »

Someone sent me this inspirational  story and i thought i would share with you all . Smiley


Doomed to Love the Good

by Muhammad Alshareef



Bismillaah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem

In his book, Kitab at-Tawwaabeen, page 285, Ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisi mentions a young lad that came to the great scholar of Ummat Muhammad sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam – Ibrahim ibn Adham Rahimahullah. This is the conversation that took place between the two:

The Young Lad: O Abu Ishaaq, I am wronging my soul, advise me with something

that’ll hold me back from disobeying Allah and breathe new life into my

heart.

Ibrahim ibn Adham: Alright. If you take 5 things from me and fulfill them,

you can disobey Allah ‘azza wa jall all you want and no harm will come to you.

The Young Lad: (Interested) Ok, tell me.

Ibrahim ibn Adham: One, if you want to do other than what Allah subhaanahu wa ta ‘aala wants you to do, then do not eat the food that He provides you.

The Young Lad: Then where am I supposed to eat from when all the food on

earth is from Allah?

Ibrahim ibn Adham: Dear lad, is it right that you eat the food Allah ‘azza wa jall has

given you and then go off and disobey him?

The Young Lad: No it is not right. What is the second?

Ibrahim ibn Adham: Two, if you want to live life to the fullest in

disobedience of Allah subhaanahu wa ta ‘aala, don’t live on His land.

The Young Lad: That’s harder than the first. Where shall I live when all

that is in the east and west belongs to Him?

Ibrahim ibn Adham: Dear lad, is it right that you eat His food and live in

His land, yet still insist on turning your cheek when he calls you?

The Young Lad: No it’s not right. What’s the third?

Ibrahim ibn Adham: If you want to disobey Allah subhaanahu wa ta ‘aala, yet still eating the food He gave you and still living in His land, then find a place where He can’t

see you.

The Young Lad: O Abu Ishaaq, how can that be so when Allah is the All-Seeing and All-Knowing of all that happens, even what the heart whispers?

Ibrahim ibn Adham: Dear lad, is it right that you eat His food and live in

His land and disobey Him while He watches you and what you are exposing?

The Young Lad: No it’s not right. What’s the fourth?

Ibrahim ibn Adham: When the angel of death comes to snatch your soul, tell

him to give you a day so that you can sincerely ask Allah subhaanahu wa ta ‘aala for forgiveness and change your life.

The Young Lad: He won’t agree to that.

Ibrahim ibn Adham: Dear lad, if you find yourself helpless to push off

death for just one day and you understand that it cannot be delayed by your

wishes, how do you expect to win?

The Young Lad: (With a sigh) What is the fifth?

Ibrahim ibn Adham: When the gatekeepers of Hell come to drag you away on

your face to Jahannam (Hellfire) refuse to go with them.

The Young Lad: Nothing will stop them.

Ibrahim ibn Adham: How do you expect to be saved then?

The Young Lad: Enough, Abu Ishaaq. (And he lowers his head crying). O Allah,

forgive me for my transgression.

Epilogue: The young lad went on to become a disciple of Ibrahim ibn Adham.

He repented to Allah sincerely and lived an upright life with his teacher

until death parted the two.

Imam Ibrahim ibn Adham died in the year 778 CE, over a thousand years ago.

May Allah ta’aala forgive the scholars of Ummat Muhammad Rahimahum Allah

Aameeen!!
I-man (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #557 on: December 04, 2007, 12:28 AM »

"Allah's Apostle said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning." -- Bukhari, 4.54.460

Grin  Grin  Grin

Women take note!
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #558 on: December 22, 2007, 09:20 PM »

Salaam and Eid El Mubarak to you all Kiss


where is my meat? Tongue Grin
cushman (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #559 on: December 27, 2007, 09:05 PM »

Quote from: I-man on December 04, 2007, 12:28 AM
"Allah's Apostle said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning." -- Bukhari, 4.54.460

 Grin Grin Grin

Women take note!

 I like this too   Grin Grin  Grin  Grin
cushman (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #560 on: December 27, 2007, 09:12 PM »

Thats a very interesting piece @mukina  Kiss
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #561 on: December 27, 2007, 09:13 PM »

Killings and trials of Muslims

Hadith collection from Sahih Muslim on prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (sws) on events to come regarding Killings among and fitan (trials) of Muslim ummah:
Chapter 4:
WHEN TWO MUSLIMS CONFRONT EACH OTHER WITH SWORDS


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Book 041, Number 6898:
Ahnaf b. Qais reported: I set out with the intention of helping this person (Hadrat 'Ali) that Abu Bakra met me. He said: Ahnaf, where do you intend to go? I said: I intend to help the cousin of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), viz. 'Ali. Thereupon he said to me: Ahnaf, go back, for I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: When two Muslims confront one another with swords (in hands) both the slayer and the slain would be in Fire. He (Ahnaf) said: I said, or it was said: Allah's Messenger, it may be the case of one who kills. but what about the slain (why he would be put in Hell-Fire)? Thereupon he said: He also intended to kill his companion.


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Book 041, Number 6899:
Ahnaf b. Qais reported on the authority of Abu Bakra that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When two Muslims confront each other with their swords, both the slayer and the slain are doomed to Hell-Fire.


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Book 041, Number 6900:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Hammad through another chain of transmitters.


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Book 041, Number 6901:
Abu Bakra reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: When two Muslims (confront each other) and the one amongst them attacks his brother with a weapon, both of them are at the brink of Hell-Fire. And when one of them kills his companion, both of them get into Hell-Fire.


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Book 041, Number 6902:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) many ahadith and one of them was this: The last Hour will not come until the two parties (of Muslims) confront each other and there is a large-scale massacre amongst them and the claim of both of them is the same.


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Book 041, Number 6903:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last Hour will not come unless there is much bloodshed. They said: What is harj? Thereupon he said: Bloodshed. bloodshed.



Chapter 5: THIS UMMAH WOULD BE DESTROYED BY KILLING ONE ANOTHER


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Book 041, Number 6904:
Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Unimah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white trea- sure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. Well, I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others.


@ Cush
Salaam Wink
babs787 (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #562 on: December 27, 2007, 09:17 PM »

@mukina


With regards to online chat we had, I will try my best to keep this thread going Insha Allah.

Thanks for your wonderful sisterly advice Cheesy, I appreciate
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #563 on: December 27, 2007, 09:25 PM »

Babs no case Wink

@ Cush, Babs  anyother muslim


when i was in DK i had an arguement with a cousin about tasbeer .what are your opinions on it . ? Undecided

for me i told her it was not necessary as long as the Salaam as been made in Prayer Undecided
and the fingers should be used instead of beads . what do you guys think? Undecided Huh
cushman (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #564 on: December 27, 2007, 09:28 PM »

Thats exactly what i have in mind @ mukky. What was your cousin's response?
Mustay (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #565 on: December 27, 2007, 09:32 PM »

The stuff is that there's a high tendency mistakes 'll be made using the hands instead of the tasbirs.





 
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #566 on: December 27, 2007, 09:36 PM »

@ Cushman
she is even an ":ebadou Raheem" . kept telling me nothing wrong with  the beads .

@ Mustapha
it is wrong   . i have always used my fingers on the occations i have done tasbir .And i never make mistakes .read this
It shows that neither the Prophet nor any of his Companions did do it

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Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Fataawa (22/187): “Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion and prayer. It is known from the mutawaatir reports that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: “Count on your fingers, for they will asked, and will be made to speak.” Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh, and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers.” Then he (may Allaah have mercy on him) goes on to discuss the issue of showing off with the masbahah, saying that it is showing off with regard to something that is not prescribed by Islam, which is worse than showing off with regard to something that is prescribed.
cushman (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #567 on: December 27, 2007, 09:56 PM »

I prefer doing my tasbeeh with my fingers too
lai-lai (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #568 on: December 28, 2007, 01:52 AM »

been lookin for a thread like this

asalamalaykum to you all
babs787 (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #569 on: December 28, 2007, 10:53 AM »

Salam to you all

Quite an interesting topic.

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Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Fataawa (22/187): “Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion and prayer. It is known from the mutawaatir reports that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: “Count on your fingers, for they will asked, and will be made to speak.” Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh, and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers.” Then he (may Allaah have mercy on him) goes on to discuss the issue of showing off with the masbahah, saying that it is showing off with regard to something that is not prescribed by Islam, which is worse than showing off with regard to something that is prescribed.



I prefer using my hands too. The most acceptable means is the use of hands because the hands will bear witness on that day but considering a situation where you have to recite like 1,000 Astaghfir-Lah, 1000 Subhanah Lah etc. To make it easier, you use your Tasbir and have something like 10 stones by your side to aid you in counting without making mistake.

You can as well use the tasbir but it is being frown at if it for show off in which Allah does not like.

Any other input please?

@Mustay

Where have you been hiding. I am still expecting my meat o.
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #570 on: December 28, 2007, 07:57 PM »

Quote from: babs787 on December 28, 2007, 10:53 AM
Salam to you all

Quite an interesting topic.
 


I prefer using my hands too. The most acceptable means is the use of hands because the hands will bear witness on that day but considering a situation where you have to recite like 1,000 Astaghfir-Lah, 1000 Subhanah Lah etc. To make it easier, you use your Tasbir and have something like 10 stones by your side to aid you in counting without making mistake.

You can as well use the tasbir but it is being frown at if it for show off in which Allah does not like.

Any other input please?

@Mustay

Where have you been hiding. I am still expecting my meat o.

Babs salaam

Barka Jumaah Smiley

you can count 14 times per each hand
if you use both hands its like 28 .

as long as you concentrate you can do it accurately Wink

but with beads you can make mistakes easily  Cheesy
babs787 (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #571 on: December 28, 2007, 08:15 PM »

@mukina


Thanks for calling my attention to your post but let me quickly attend to your post before jetting out to religious threads to see what pilgrim.1 is up to Cheesy


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Babs salaam



Barka Jumaah

you can count 14 times per each hand
if you use both hands its like 28 .

as long as you concentrate you can do it accurately

but with beads you can make mistakes easily 



Salam sister.

I am not against the use of hands which I even said  that I prefer but you have to consider the fact that you are bound to make mistake easily by using hands particularly if you are making any supplication up to 1,000 or more. You will easily make mistake when using hands because you may not be able to count accurately, besides, it may slow down your supplication.

Abi what do you think?
cushman (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #572 on: December 29, 2007, 05:06 PM »

@babs, you are right ofcouse. But then, one can become perfect using fingers
babs787 (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #573 on: December 29, 2007, 08:29 PM »

@cushman


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@babs, you are right ofcouse. But then, one can become perfect using fingers

Salam brother

Yes one can become perfect using fingers but at the same time one is bound to make mistakes using fingers than the use of hands especially when making duah of like 1,000 Astaghfirlah. It is not written anywhere that one cannot use tasbir but it is not good if it is for show off.

May Allah increases our knowledge.
mdsocks (m)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #574 on: December 29, 2007, 08:50 PM »

Amin

Salam Bro babs

How r you?


Long time oo,

Thanks for bringing it back.

May Allah continue to bless you in knowledge.

Amin.
mukina2 (f)
Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #575 on: December 29, 2007, 08:59 PM »

Salaam Babs, Muctarr and Cush Smiley


@ Babs

I know but the fingers are more accurate . .

- those beads are very tiny . .you can make mistakes easily if you go too fast

as long as you concentrate on your fingers you can never make mistakes
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