Chelsea Fans: Identify Yourselves Here (Old)

Akola,
Don't get yourself worked up over Ibime's anti-Mourihno taunts.

If JM wears blue, Ibime will call it black just to link him to the devil. 


Ibime,
Scolari, as far as I am concerned is scared he is going to be judged by JM's wining standard and fail woefully like Grant, hence his distancing himself from the promise of trophies. Any manager will find it difficult to fill in JM's shoes. Scolari can continue with his mind games if that makes him feel better.

Who took the blame when Portugal failed to win any trophy under his 4 year or so reign? Dismal performance as far as I am concerned.

JM has won it all in club football, what has Scolari got to shoot? Wining the World Cup with a Brazillian team that had Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Zico, Ronaldihno, Carlos, Emerson, Cafu etc at their best? Yeah that's hard . . . 

Meanwhile what is Robben doing on that list? While you point out JM's failures, why not point out his achievements with players - Joe Cole, Terry, Lamps, Deco, Carlvalho, Ferreira, etc (there's this other guy from portugal and a guy that left us to lyon).

As far as I am concerned, Scolari should shut up till we see a trophy. Ranieri and Scolari just need to dig at JM to make the news. JM is King of Club Football. They are no were near that pedigree.

@ Ako, Ibi is a well rounded individual with multiple sets of stories, not just 2. 


No honestly, I love playing with you guys emotions. I cannot believe that people are practising occultism in 2008. Truth be told, I have always rated Mourinho as a great manager - but not a special one. I rank him with the other great managers. But since I came to Nairaland, I have adopted an anti-Jose stance to provide a counterbalance to the story, since so many people here worship at the cult of Jose Mourinho. I expect better rationale from grown-up individuals. Jose has his flaws just like any other manager. Must you defend his every flaw? Is he a demi-god?

First, are his good qualities - the ability to organise the team, ability to inspire his players, ability to put the fear of shege in his players, tactical awareness, good discipline, good physical conditioning of the team, winning mentality, good use of the media, etc.

At the same time Jose's flaws are quite easy to see - a lack of flair, a greed culture at Chelsea, not caring for Chelsea's balance sheet, wasting money on dud players, marginalising fringe players, and a fractious personality who blames everything but himself for defeat (Rijkaard, Anders Frisk, Luis Garcia, Boulahrouz, Sheva, Arnesen, Ferreira, Geremi, injuries, red cards, Reading Ambulance service, eggs, omelettes, Waitrose    etc). The last time I bought his excuses was when we lost to Liverpool in CL in 2007 after playing horrible football and looking completely bereft of any attacking ideas - and he tried to say the best team lost.


"You know, omelettes, eggs? If you have no eggs, you have no omelette. And it depends upon the the quality of the eggs. In the supermarket you have Class One, Two and Three eggs. Some are more expensive and make better omelettes. So when Class One eggs are in Waitrose and you cannot go there, you have a problem"

 

Yeah - SWP, Malouda and Ferreira were class one eggs alright, despite their Waitrose prices.


I can also talk about AW and SAF's good and bad points - yet, you will not see any Woman Utd or Arse fan in a hurry to shout me down for pointing out their managers flaws. Is this because a cult of personality has been built around Jose? Why are grown men's minds so malleable? Can mind-control be practiced over the TV airwaves? If so, Jose Mourinho should be Guru Maharaji because he got Ako and a few others hanging on his every word.


A Chelsea fan once told me that Jose is a one-trick pony. I corrected him - I said Jose is like a Business Manager you bring in when a company is sick and failing. He comes in with a heavy hand, whips employees into shape, cuts costs, sells off unproductive assets, lays a few people off and generally streamlines the business. He turns the business around into a successful business. Then he moves on - because you cannot motivate people endlessly using the same heavy handed approach. Players get tired of the same thing all the time. There is only so much blood they can sweat. After that, you need real flair players to keep the team winning. Players like Cristiano Ronaldo allow players like Owen Hargreaves to have a rest and take it easy every now and then because not every game is a fight to the end. Unfortunately, this is not Jose's style of play.


Hence, I predict that Jose will always be a short term fix and will never last more than 5 years at any club. I say this not only because of his management style but because he has fallen out with his previous employers, from Benfica to Porto to Chelsea to Barcelona. Throw in his spats with Cruyff, Benitez, Scolari, Rijkaard etc and you begin to build a psychological profile of a fractious personality who struggles to maintain long term working relationships. Hence, I believe his cycle at Chelsea was over. I have been at Chelsea long before Jose and I will support Chelsea long after Jose and thank God I have seen many managers so no publicity stunt can fool me. Maybe we suffer from 'hero' syndrome at Chelsea since we have been so starved of success. At InterMilan, Jose is nothing but a new manager. They have won the league three times in a row, therefore they will not trip for anything other than a Champions League win. Jose is a great manager, not an infallible being. Meanwhile, I wonder who Akola will support when we play InterMilan in the Champions League?

well, Robinho means Little Rob.

I read today that Madrid should be willing to sell now that they have Van Der Vaart.

Link to the story please.

I told you guys Robinho is not worth more than £20m - £25m. This is sensible business for Chelsea if these figures are correct.

u have not exactly told us anything new about Mourinho that we don't know already . . .worse still u claim Mumurinho lacks flair ?  did u mean his team or himself ? because Mourinho is all flair himself !!! Chelsea lacked flair and definitely devoid of class   

another point is this; why do u feel that the so-called up adults are gullible and are brainwashed ? why don't u look inwards and check whether u are simply hating or u are the one trying to brainwash others into believing Mourinho was shyte 

a wise decision for you right now would be crawling back into that hole you just came out of !! 
don't come here spewing shyte about chelsea lacking flair and class !
is the arse better than chelsea ? in what sense ??

don't let me descend on you nose line with a sledgehammer !!!! 

## Who told you JM don't have flaws? He has many just like any Coach. What i will not entertain is lies about what i know well be it JM, Tinkerman or Gullit.

## So European footie from 1996 till now is your limit? I see. Well noted now##

## Whether you like it or not, those mentioned make Nairaland sports so tick for thousands to come here including you.##

## Ask Wormy that question? I have known Wormy for how many years now? We even dealt together off Nairaland. What else you wan know? I am even dating Wormy's younger Sister.

Urgent: Throw more light on the statement in bold please!!!!

When is Robinho coming IN?

I like it when people discuss European footie and not some sickenening Premiership by comparing scoreline.

Now lets spar a little.

Klaus Topplmoller.

Toppmollers  style with particular reference to 02 Bayer leverkusen.
He actually brought a kind of revolution into the German game with his high speed possesio football. You know Germans are known to be physical and counter attacking except Werder Bremen.

In goal he had Hans Jorg Butt, Full Backs Sebescen/ Boris Zivkovic and Diego Placente. Placente does a lot of overlapping.
In central defence he employed Lucio and Novotny before he got injured and now deployed Zivkovic into the role.

Toppmoller also employs a deep lying defensive midfielder who can become like a third central defender in a 3-5-2 formation- Carsten Ramelow This gives the likes of Ballack the leeway to roam in the midfield. he deploys excellent ball jogglers who also fall back to the wings- ZeRoberto and Bernd Schneider.  

The play making role is the exclusive reserve of Yildiray Basturk.

With this formation he can afford to play with a lone striker because his team has the majority of possesion. The lone striker could be any of Neuville, Berbatov(very young) and warhorse -Ulf Kirsten.

When on the defensive, Ramelow moves deeper into the defence as the third central Zivkovic and Placente sit back in their full back roles Ballack sit in front on the defence and Ze Roberto & Scheneider also move into central mid field.

When on the attack The full backs, Placente in particular moves into an advanced role Ze Roberto moves slightly to the middle and all spilled balls are mopped up by Ballack thus making him the highest scoring midfielder in the whole of Europe that season.

The Toppmoller style  making them top their group which had Deportivo, Arsenal and Juventus. I think in the first group of Barcelona, Lyon and Olympiakos they were second

The style made them to eliminate all English opposition Liverpool ( watch  that game in Bayerena) and Man Utd before falling to the greatest footballl team of all Time: The REAL MADRID TEAM OF 2002!!!

Giovinco ?  The Juventus starlet?

Eric Carriere I followed his career in Lyon with the likes of Pegguy  Luyindula, Vikash Dhorasoo, Sidney Govou,  But not after that he was not as domineering as his heir Juninho Pernanbucano.

Stephanie Dalmat That changes clubsides every season? I was interested in his game while he was at Inter with Ventola, Seedorf, Kallon, Vieri, and Hector Cuper as coach but after that he self destructed.

Reply and lets go on!!!!!!!!!

men, wats with this german sef??

@dk

one, i'm not a premiership freak that you think i am,

two, i watch any league only that the bundesliga doesnt appeal to me because i watched a bundesliga match and i was actually dozing off,

and again the best match i've ever watched that involved a german team was dynamo kiev vs bayern munich .UCL semifinal, 1999, the 2nd leg that ended 3-3, with sammer scoring a last minute equalizer, i enjoyed that match,

and again, on some occassions i watch the german league if i am chanced to, so rethink your thoughts about my thoughts, if u understand what i mean,

@ ibime, Rivaldo scored an hat trick on that day Barca 3 Valencia 2 Great performance.
Javi Moreno  remember Jose mari
@ lordi,

Sammer?  Never knew he was a bayern Player . Jancker, School, Effenberg would you like to crosscheck

I hope you know what they call typo sha.

What does living in England has to do with footie knowledge?

No wonder you once said Naija Sports Analyst don't know jack and i challenge you to mention the one that you can match.

I am still waiting for the response till today.

hahahahaha. . . . . . . the cronies strike back. . . . . na una get una own time sha. . . . .I'd rather discuss football with real officionado's who lived through it, not fakers like Jackal who cannot hold an argument without making ten mistakes, despite all his googling - or Ako who would ask me if I know that SAF once kicked a football boot in Beckhams face. Those questions let me know that you are new to European football. Please stick to your Sutin Stars, don't argue European football with me.


FYI Ako, let me tell you why living in England means that your questions are silly. It is because of your view from Naija. It is myopic. When SAF injured Becks eye, that was on every front page, even the womens magazines. Even in fashion magazines. SAF's hairdryer treatment is legendary and is well known by everyone in this country, male and female. Ask Ryan Giggs and Lee Sharpe. The fact that SAF hated Posh is well known by my mother and grandmother. Jaap Stams revelations in his autobiography was well covered on every front and back page and everyone knew that is why Fergie sold him. The only question of any basic merit there is Wenger's admission that Walcott has not progressed - and that was only in response to statements William Gallas had made earlier to the same effect. So please, remember where I live before you ask silly questions. I don't even need to be a football fan to know the answers to your questions, therefore they are silly.

@ Ibime,

U make more mistakes than anyone else but no one dwells on it like you do.

Did u not say France was the first to deploy the 4-2-3-1 formation in France 98?
Even ma grandmother knows France had 3 midfielders in Karembeu, Deschamps and Emmanuel Petit.
There are some unforgivable mistakes. . . .This is one of em!!!!!
Stick to ur table-soccer and leave footie analysis for peops like me. . . . .going to google to dig out names of past legends doesnt make u any astute.
Learn from the master!!!!