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4 Play (m)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #160 on: September 02, 2008, 12:03 AM »

Quote from: Queenisha on September 01, 2008, 11:56 PM
I hate it when people just jump into a thread  after several pages without taking time to read the thread. Tongue
In this particular case,we're talking of a woman that willingly goes with a man in a secluded area,they turn each other on, he brings out his koboko, sshe maybe even puts it in, then at some point in the act, she remembers she's a choir member and asks him to stop when he's just a couple of minutes from landing.
If he hangs in for arrival, my brother I wouldn't blame him.
She asked for it.
They had reached a point of no return,sghe ought to deal with it
That is my point

So a woman has no right to deny access to her body at any time she chooses because the man has no self-control?
Geniall
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #161 on: September 02, 2008, 12:03 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on September 01, 2008, 11:59 PM
The only grey area is what happens where the woman is not in a position to give consent for reasons of intoxication or mental incapacity.  

And in such a case it cannot be rightly called rape until it is established that consent was not given.
Quote from: idupaul on September 02, 2008, 12:00 AM
so is there anything like justified rape?

No, provided that the term "rape" is used correctly and in the right context.
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #162 on: September 02, 2008, 12:04 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on January 15, 1970, 03:58 AM
The only grey area is what happens where the woman is not in a position to give consent for reasons of intoxication or mental incapacity.  

How is that a grey area. I've yet to hear of a case of the victim being drunk or mentally slow and the perpetrator isnt charged.

Btw date rapes USUALLY involves sedatives so how is it the girl's fault again? For not drinking water? Im confused here.
mesmya
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #163 on: September 02, 2008, 12:05 AM »

Quote from: Queenisha on September 01, 2008, 11:56 PM
I hate it when people just jump into a thread  after several pages without taking time to read the thread. Tongue
In this particular case,we're talking of a woman that willingly goes with a man in a secluded area,they turn each other on, he brings out his koboko, sshe maybe even puts it in, then at some point in the act, she remembers she's a choir member and asks him to stop when he's just a couple of minutes from landing.
If he hangs in for arrival, my brother I wouldn't blame him.
She asked for it.
They had reached a point of no return,she ought to deal with it
That is no rape
That is my point



u r right
Hannibal
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #164 on: September 02, 2008, 12:05 AM »

Quote from: Queenisha on September 02, 2008, 12:02 AM
Of course that is rape.
no questions asked.

U must be very intelligent.

Some women say NO after penetration and still scream RAPE.
Counsellors come in, take swabs and finds the man's body fluids in the babe's canal.
One minute a man is in his yard sipping cristalz, the next minute he is being shipped to jail because of a woman's EVIL ways.
It's pathetic.
4 Play (m)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #165 on: September 02, 2008, 12:08 AM »

Quote from: Geniall on September 02, 2008, 12:03 AM
And in such a case it cannot be rightly called rape until it is established that consent was not given.

Perhaps,but there are moves to place the burden of establishing consent on the man in such contexts. Effectively,a man having sex with a drunken woman would be deemed to have raped her unless he can prove that she gave a valid consent.

Quote from: Queenisha on September 02, 2008, 12:02 AM
Of course that is rape.
no questions asked.
You are confused. Incongruity between your old fashioned Onitsha mentality and the sheer horror of rape.  Tongue  Grin
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #166 on: September 02, 2008, 12:09 AM »

Quote from: Geniall on September 02, 2008, 12:03 AM
And in such a case it cannot be rightly called rape until it is established that consent was not given.

If a retarded person says Yes then it's ok to sleep with them considering the fact \mopre likely then not they probably don't even know what intercourse is?


and for someone who is drunk. WHO CARES if Yes is said? Their thinking capacity is IMPAIRED.

What is wrong with you people?
4 Play (m)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #167 on: September 02, 2008, 12:11 AM »

Quote from: KarmaMod on September 02, 2008, 12:04 AM
How is that a grey area. I've yet to hear of a case of the victim being drunk or mentally slow and the perpetrator isnt charged.

Btw date rapes USUALLY involves sedatives so how is it the girl's fault again? For not drinking water? I'm confused here.

It's a grey area if,as often happens,the man is also intoxicated. Where a man uses sedatives without the consent of the woman with the intent to procure intercourse,that is clearly rape.
idupaul
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #168 on: September 02, 2008, 12:12 AM »

I think am working to hard.
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #169 on: September 02, 2008, 12:13 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on September 02, 2008, 12:11 AM
It's a grey area if,as often happens,the man is also intoxicated.

No what often happens is the guy has the girl drink more than she can handle where as he's still stable.
Ruby_Pearl
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #170 on: September 02, 2008, 12:13 AM »

Quote from: KarmaMod on September 02, 2008, 12:09 AM
If a retarded person says
Hehehhe Grin
onyinye2 (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #171 on: September 02, 2008, 12:13 AM »

Quote from: Hannibal on September 02, 2008, 12:05 AM
You must be very intelligent.

Some women say NO after penetration and still scream RAPE.
Counsellors come in, take swabs and finds the man's body fluids in the babe's canal.
One minute a man is in his yard sipping cristalz, the next minute he is being shipped to jail because of a woman's EVIL ways.
It's pathetic.
You get what you gonna get. If the broad said NO, and you continued. . . . . you basically said YES for jail.
Geniall
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #172 on: September 02, 2008, 12:14 AM »

Quote from: KarmaMod on September 02, 2008, 12:09 AM
If a retarded person says Yes then it's ok to sleep with them considering the fact \mopre likely then not they probably don't even know what intercourse is?

LOL, point taken. But you do know that the mental state of such a person has to be established first of all, don't you?

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and for someone who is drunk. WHO CARES if Yes is said? Their thinking capacity is IMPAIRED.

So everyone that has sex while drunk is potentially being raped. I can already see all sorts of opportunities there  Grin

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What is wrong with you people?

My, what indignation!  Cheesy
4 Play (m)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #173 on: September 02, 2008, 12:16 AM »

Quote from: KarmaMod on September 02, 2008, 12:13 AM
No what often happens is the guy has the girl drink more than she can handle where as he's still stable.

Quite frankly,once the Police check their alcohol blood level and its broadly similar,it probably won't suffice to claim that men can handle a drink better than women.

 
Hannibal
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #174 on: September 02, 2008, 12:16 AM »

Quote from: onyinye2 on September 02, 2008, 12:13 AM
You get what you going to get. If the broad said NO, and you continued. . . . . you basically said YES for jail.

Onyinye, u dunno know what u are talking about and i don't blame you.
U haven't BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #175 on: September 02, 2008, 12:18 AM »

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LOL, point taken. But you do know that the mental state of such a person has to be established first of all, don't you?

By a simple Hello, obviously.

The guy looking to screw would know about her mental state from the beginning, it's the fact that he decides to ignore that makes him a criminal.

onyinye2 (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #176 on: September 02, 2008, 12:19 AM »

Quote from: Hannibal on September 02, 2008, 12:16 AM
Onyinye, u don't know know what u are talking about and i don't blame you.
You haven't BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.
Truly Questionable Lips sealed. . . . . .
Anyways that is RAPE. Simply as that. No questions asked. 10 to 20. So is a few minutes of pleasure worth your freedom?
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #177 on: September 02, 2008, 12:20 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on September 02, 2008, 12:16 AM
Quite frankly,once the Police check their alcohol blood level and its broadly similar,it probably won't suffice to claim that men can handle a drink better than women.

Depends on the lawyer  Wink
idupaul
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #178 on: September 02, 2008, 12:21 AM »

Ok  can Brad pitt be said to have raped a girl?

No, because we all know that 90% of women wont mind humping him. so any woman that does not consent to humping must have issues.

I think rape is when an agbero forcefully penetrates Olga Kurylenko Grin
Ruby_Pearl
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #179 on: September 02, 2008, 12:21 AM »

Quote from: idupaul on September 02, 2008, 12:21 AM
I think rape is when an agbero forcefully penetrates Olga Kurylenko Grin
Cheesy
Geniall
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #180 on: September 02, 2008, 12:22 AM »

Quote from: KarmaMod on September 02, 2008, 12:18 AM
By a simple Hello, obviously.

Not as obvious as you think. You'd be surprised at the many varieties of mental states that interfere with the ability to think rationally.

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The guy looking to screw would know about her mental state from the beginning, it's the fact that he decides to ignore that makes him a criminal.

Well, see my post above. Mental incapacity is not always immediately obvious, and is even less so when you're sodden.
Hannibal
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #181 on: September 02, 2008, 12:22 AM »

Quote from: onyinye2 on September 02, 2008, 12:19 AM
Truly Questionable Lips sealed. . . . . .
Anyways that is RAPE. Simply as that. No questions asked. 10 to 20. So is a few minutes of pleasure worth your freedom?

The court has to prove it.
Every move that led to the act would be heard by the jury and they would decide if the act was commited or u were just being silly.
Let it be known that only 5% actually get convicted.
The 5% being the stranger kind of rape where an unknown person attacks a woman and take advantage.
debosky (m)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #182 on: September 02, 2008, 12:22 AM »

Quote from: KarmaMod on September 02, 2008, 12:18 AM
By a simple Hello, obviously.

The guy looking to screw would know about her mental state from the beginning, it's the fact that he decides to ignore that makes him a criminal.



I do not agree with this - what if the guy was drunk as well? wasn't his own judgment impaired? So two people make impaired judgments under the force of alcohol - he wants sex and she says yes with 'impaired' judgment. That is absolutely no rape. You can't blame the man if they both made a mistake.

Any woman who says yes while 'drunk' and claims rape after is not serious, learn to handle your alcohol.
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #183 on: September 02, 2008, 12:25 AM »

Quote from: Geniall on September 02, 2008, 12:22 AM
Not as obvious as you think. You'D be surprised at the many varieties of mental states that interfere with the ability to think rationally.

There's a reason why I said mentally retarded.
4 Play (m)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #184 on: September 02, 2008, 12:25 AM »

Quote from: KarmaMod on September 02, 2008, 12:20 AM
Depends on the lawyer  Wink

The prosecutor will be a state lawyer and state lawyers are not exactly the best. Meanwhile the defendant has probably lined up a lawyer who could have gotten Hitler off the hook.

That is usually why rape complaints leading to convictions are abysmally low. . . .probably between 5-10% . The burden of proof is substantial because it's often a case of "he says,she says".
Queenisha
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #185 on: September 02, 2008, 12:25 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on September 02, 2008, 12:08 AM
You are confused. Incongruity between your old fashioned Onitsha mentality and the sheer horror of rape.  Tongue  Grin


Udi n'eke udi!
wait till your madam shouts no in the middle after saying yes
any man that can withdraw and come down, was certainly never at attention in the first place.
idupaul
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #186 on: September 02, 2008, 12:25 AM »

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Any woman who says yes while 'drunk' and claims rape after is not serious, learn to handle your alcohol.

true
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #187 on: September 02, 2008, 12:26 AM »

Quote from: debosky on September 02, 2008, 12:22 AM
I do not agree with this - what if the guy was drunk as well? wasn't his own judgment impaired? So two people make impaired judgments under the force of alcohol - he wants sex and she says yes with 'impaired' judgment. That is absolutely no rape. You can't blame the man if they both made a mistake.

Any woman who says yes while 'drunk' and claims rape after is not serious, learn to handle your alcohol.

Did you read what you quoted, Batman! Oniranu. That comment was made in regards to a metally retarded female, not drunk
onyinye2 (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #188 on: September 02, 2008, 12:26 AM »

Quote from: debosky on September 02, 2008, 12:22 AM
Any woman who says yes while 'drunk' and claims rape after is not serious, learn to handle your alcohol.
This is a Court Case waiting to happen. . . . Lips sealed
4 Play (m)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #189 on: September 02, 2008, 12:27 AM »

Quote from: Queenisha on September 02, 2008, 12:25 AM
Udi n'eke udi!
wait till your madam shouts no in the middle after saying yes
any man can withdraw and come down, I'm certain he was never at attention in the first place.

Personally,any little sign that the woman isn't into the act squelches my sexual desire instantly.
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal
« #190 on: September 02, 2008, 12:28 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on September 02, 2008, 12:25 AM
The prosecutor will be a state lawyer and state lawyers are not exactly the best. Meanwhile the defendant has probably lined up a lawyer who could have gotten Hitler off the hook.

If it's a brazen feminist lawyer looking for a nice scapegoat, you better believe he's going to jail.
KarmaMod (f)
Re: Rape Isn't Alway Criminal.
« #191 on: September 02, 2008, 12:29 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on September 02, 2008, 12:27 AM
Personally,any little sign that the woman isn't into the act squelches my sexual desire instantly.

Cos you're normal

Never understood those who still have sex KNOWING that the other person isnt enjoying it. Almsot like the rationale of a pedophile.
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