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ehie007 (m)
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stop this future crap u arsenal boys, tell una boss to go buy matured players.
UNITED i stand
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Mc Omo (m)
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now y'all need to quit talking down on people . . its annoyingly disgusting !  allow peeps to air their opinions as they wish to . . .for example I was bitter at Niterider, reason was Niterider was one of the most prominent gooner here befofe most of y'all came in, for him to say he is decamping because of Wenger reeks of utter crap . . .and am sure he knows he let himself down already . .LETS MOVE ON !!!  I personal feel AW lost the plot foolishly . . .Debosky feels otherwise . . . 4him feels the same with myself and A-40 . . . .DOES THAT MAKE ANYONE DISSENTING FROM UR POINT OF VIEW ANY PLASTIC 
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hucarson (m)
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@ Vieira,
You still spew tosh? I thought u should have changed by now. How can u say this was better than the last? Better in what sense? You finished without a trophy this season and u finished without a trophy last season. Besides, didn't Wenger play in the final of carling cup last season?
Isn't that a genuine 50-50 chance of winning something compared to this season when Arsenal was never favoured 50% chance of winning the league. When Arsenal were 5 points clear in February, the book makers still favoured Man United to win it so how has this season shaped better?
@ HNIC,
The last time i checked, Tottenham won the carling cup and beating Arsenal 5-1 and despatching Chelski 2-1 on their way to winning it. On this day, Tottenham has actually fared better than Arsenal. Let me make it worse, Portsmouth have done exceptionally well than Arsenal. Wenger will finish 3rd again next season as his best players will all leave by August.
@ Akolawole,
Adebayor ar 2k a week will cope with all those bills. For all u know, Ade's monthly repayment may be less than 1000 quid a month. Without taking anything away from the Togolese, i think he deserves 90k a week. Wenger is a spin doctor and very very clever for his own good. He manipulated the wage structure when Henry threatened to leave in 2006, tell me why he cannot bend it to keep Flamini or Hleb. Is Henry super-human?
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vicade (m)
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Adebayor is a good striker who had a great season but please don't overate him. he scored six goals against derby which forms one fourth of all his premier league goals(24)
he scored only two goals in the champions league(and both were made by tremendous assits by theo walcott against milan and liverpool). do you remember all the sitters he missed against man u even after he scored, or the sitters he missed against liverpool BEFORE he scored. Adebayor never stood up in the big games.Remember the birghmigham game, when he should have passed to bendtner but failed to score in a two on one situation-that could have been 3-1 and changed the season.
Adebayor is good because he is in a club like arsenal where they pass the ball alot but adebayor scored like 10 goals in 11 games in january then went ahead to score only 2 goals in nine IN february and march.Had eduardo played consistently from beginning of the season till the end, he could have scored more because he is a better finisher than Adebayor.
Eduardo scored two nice goals against everton in emirates to make the game 2-1 at that point Eduardo brought the game back against blackburn with ten men and scored twice Remember the acrobatic eduardo goal against man city? Eduardo had already scored twelve goals and had 8 assists in all competitions by february in his debut season. Big players deliver in big matches which is why torres and not adebayor is the best striker in the premiership.
ADEBAYOR HAD A GREAT SEASON AND THIS IS JUST ONE SEASON. 60K PER WEEK IS ENOUGH, ANYTHING MORE IS LUDACRIS COS HE STILL HAS TO IMPROVE HIS FINISHING.
If the whole squad leaves i don't care but these are my only untouchables in arsenal team: Cesc Fabregas Bakary Sagna Kolo Toure R.V.P.(when fully fit can be a genius but rarely fit) Gael clichy
These guys will be hard to replace if they leave.
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hucarson (m)
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@ Vicade,
Adebayor is not over-rated but i don't think 80k a week for the Togolese is a big ASK. Take out Adebayor's goals in Arsenal's goal haul and what do u have? In a season where he played as a lone striker for many months, what do u expect? When Tevez was doing the lone striker role alone(with Rooney injured), how many goals did he score? For Adebayor to have bagged 24 goals this season is a testimony to his brilliance. Drogba as a lone striker could only manage 20 league goals last season. Strikers miss goals from time to time(u cannot hang the Togolese for that) Where is the support from the midfield? Hleb, Rosicky, Walcott and Eboue did not contribute enough.
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vicade (m)
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adebayor is very good  My point is that he scored only two goals(or i think 3 ?) in the chamions league both made by walcott(liverpool and milan). He scored six goals against derby which is one fourth of his 24 He did not score goals when they were really needed and missed a lot of important sitters. had he scored the third goal in birghimham match with that chance, season might have been different instead of a 2-2 draw remember the sitters he missed against liverpool in champions league and man u in old trafford after he scored. If Adebayor scores 10 goals against derby and 4 against newcastle, it counts as only 3 points that is wwhy he needs to score more goals in the big games and Champions league(eduardo same amount of goals with adebayor in champions league) ADEBAYOR IS VERY GOOD BUT IS YET TO ACHIEVE GREATNESS COS HE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS FINISHING. 80K PER WEEK IS TOO MUCH.That is what cesc fabregas earns. 
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hucarson (m)
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Adebayor will improve if he plays around quality players. As a striker, he needs quality delivery to thrive. Have u seen Eboue's crosses?  Give Adebayor a break. Would u have believed if someone had told u Ade will hit 30 at the start of the season? You are slaughtering Ade here, what about Van Persie who has never scored 12 league goals in his entire career? What about Bendtner who scores only when the full moon is out? In my own opinion, Adebayor was outstanding this season. Plug him in a team like Man United and u will see the difference after being fed quality passes from Rooney, Tevez and Anderson.
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Mc Omo (m)
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@Vicade do u know what u are saying at all . . .  how many goals did Adebayor score and how many against Derby - - -6  what an analysis  Adebayor is the best striker in the Premiership, just like Ronaldo is the highest goalscorer, stop spewing sh@t  u even have the temerity to be comparing Dudu to him . . .hmnn 
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vicade (m)
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Fernando Torres is the best striker in the premiership and not Adebayor. Fernando scored in most of the Big games and not just getting a huge bunch of goals against weaker teams like derby. Torres even scored 33 goals in all competition and this is his debut season.Adebayor scored 30-which is quite impressive.
Emmanuel Adebayor is second best.
As par eduardo, he scored 12 goals and 8 assits in his first season at february. Go and look at Adebayor's past records in arsenal.
YET again Adebayor is very good and i love his style of play as a player but his finishing has to improve and he needs to score in big games.
Scroing a lot of goals against the bottom teams is very impressive but he needs to score against the big teams and score more goals in the champions league: where he has only scored 3 goals in like 18 appearances or something.
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randa (m)
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teemore i do not know how old u are but the way u are throwing tantrums around arsenals forums is just plain disrespectful, yes u won the league, then what, its guys like you that give the game a bad rep, guess what, yesterday, i and my friends stood up in my house and gave man u are resounding round of a plus when the trophy was handed to united, at my place where fans from chelsea, liverpool et all, we followed the games on ait and setanta sports news, we congratulated the man u fans that came to see the game at my house and hugged till next season only for me to go the bedroom and log on and i see the trash u put on, try and be matured and cultured in your support for your team and not brash, anyway congrats fro a beautiful season, hope u triumph in moscow
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hucarson (m)
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@ Vicade,
You are bent on disrespecting Adebayor and i won't let u do that even though i support Man United. Adebayor is a work-horse and a great finisher. He is even better than Cristiano Ronaldo in front of goal. Are u aware Ronaldo had 131 shots on goal in the league and scoring just 31? You begin to wonder what happened to the remaining 100 shots aimed at the goal. . . . In the final OPTA stats. . . . Ronaldo has 24% goal/shot ratio same as Adebayor. Torres(25%), Santa Cruz(25%) and even Yakubu(29%) are more deadlier in front of goal than Ronaldo. Give Adebayor a break and stop comparing him to Eduardo who couldn't stay fit to rescue his team.
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Vieira (m)
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Everyone has their opinions and sometimes my opinion will be that their opinion is rubbish.
Someone is comparing Rooney to Adebayor and also comparing henry to Flamini.
The difference is that before Rooney and Henry started to get the mega bucks, they had proven themselves for more than just one season!!!
The moment you start increasing wages anyhow after one good season, then everyone will want a wage increase.
If Adebayor is worth £80k after one season then please tell me how much should we start paying:
Clichy? Sagna? Fabregas? V.persie?
Or do you think they will just sit quietly?
and what happens if the next season Adebayor does not play well? will we be able to reduce his wages?
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HNIC (m)
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@ Hucarson I am having a laugh  So, the spuds have had a better season than us because they won the Milk cup  and Pompey too has done better because they are appearing in the FA cup final  Hell, Cardiff too has done better, may I include Barnsley also.  Take a look at the league table and see where the Spuds are. Back in August, after they spent 16 million quid on Darren Bent and we let Henry go,the pundits said the Spuds will replace us in the 'Big Four'.What happened? The Spuds finished 11th(Couldn't even make top 10) Its disppointing not to win a trophy, but last year we were 21 points off the pace and this season we were just 4 points behind the champions. If we had won the milk cup, we would be a bit happy that we dint go trophyless, but for God sake, the CC is not what Arsenal should be aiming for.  I insist, it was a better saeson than the last.
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Vieira (m)
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finished 4 pts of the top spot. 83 pts in toal went further in the CL
I think that overall is an improvement over last season.
or how can this be disputed?
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vicade (m)
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I am not disrespecting Adebayor but only saying the obvious. He has scored only 3 goals in 18 champion league appearances He scores more goals against the weaker teams and less against the stronger teams-when it really matters and some times his finishing and decision making can be very poor but only on very few and important ocassions e.g. against birgminham, liverpool and man u Adebayor is very good and as an arsenal fan i think he will be the next african player of the year but giving him 80K per week is just ludacris. Eduardo had his leg broken so this is not about him staying fit. There was little he could do about that martin taylor tackle. Good thing is that martintaylor can now be breaking legs in the championship. 
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hucarson (m)
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@ Vieira,
Rooney had a poor season but United will not cut his wages. Adebayor is a quality striker. A modern day trojan horse who only needs a decent player to feed off from. The only way Adebayor will fail to flourish next season is if Wenger does not sign quality players to back the Togolese up. What is wrong in rewarding a striker that performed above Wenger's expectation. You kept mentioning Clichy and Van Persie but these lots have been at Arsenal well before Ade. Mind u, RVP is yet to score 12 league goals since he was born in 1983. Sagna has just one season under his belt. Fabregas is young and has a long contract ahead of him to retire on. Ade deserves more than 35k.
@ HNIC,
Arsenal are not better than Liverpool, Everton, and Reading. In the league, if u don't come 1st then u can as well consider it a woeful season. Spurs had their own problems but against all odds, they trounced Arsenal 5-1 and won the carling cup. A trophy is a trophy. I'd rather ma club end up with the carling cup than end up trophyless for 4 years. There's no difference between teams that finished in the 3rd position and the 11th position. I cannot understand why u feel Arsenal's season was better than the last. This was the worst season under Wenger. He reiterated that on Arsenal TV.
@ Vicade,
Cristiano Ronaldo did not score a single champions league goal in his first 3 seasons at Man United. Today, he is the highest goal scorer. What does that tell u? Give this guy a break. All this theory about him scoring more goals against weaker teams does not prove anything. Do u expect Arsenal to play conservatively against Derby or Fulham? Normally, caution is thrown into the wind against teams like this so the attacking football will flourish whereas against teams like Milan or Barcelona, the manager will be cautious how he bombs forward. Sheeeeeeeesh******* this is pure logic.
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HNIC (m)
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@ Vicade,
. Give Adebayor a break and stop comparing him to Eduardo who couldn't stay fit to rescue his team.
@ Hucarson How can u say that about Eduardo  He couldn't stay fit to rescue his team  Please go and see that terrible tackle again from Taylor and revert. What a shame?
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loyika (m)
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Tottenham had a better season than Arsenal  Who would have thought someone would say that  Well in reality, the highlight for the Spuds this season was the 5-1 thrashing they gave Arsenal ( for their fans it was better than the final itself  ). So all in all, with Bebertov leaving them, and with them finishing like some 40 points behind us in the league, WE SHOULD BE SCARED OF WHAT THEY WILL ACHIEVE NEXT SEASON  (I guess winning the Carling Cup is a big motivation to go on and win the UCL and league). As for Pompey  Basically, that statement was the best i have read today. By the way, i am also enjoying all this, Ade deserves this and that stories  , The boy has 1 good season and all of a sudden he should be paid 80k Na wa oh!! Believe me if Ade was in a team like Milan or Real M, even with his 30 or so goals, he would have been stoned by the fans for all the glaring misses, just like Hleb will see that other footie fans/managers will not be as forgiving of him when ever he makes one of those trademark impossible passes that he is fond of. If Ade wants that much of an increase, he should go to United. Don't get me wrong, players should be rewarded for their hard work, but they need to show consistency, let Ade show some improvement next season, and i will personally mail him my salary to join with his own  GOONER 89
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HNIC (m)
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@ Hucarson How can say there is no difference between 3rd and 11th  Please someone help me out here.  Top 4 qualifies for the money spinning champions league. and please which team has stayed trophyless for 4 seasons?Certainly not Arsenal!!! Come on mate, u know it, AW couldn't have said this was his worst season.Maybe he said he was disappointed. It was a better season and please I would rather my team in the CL than finish 11th 
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vicade (m)
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@ Vicade,
Cristiano Ronaldo did not score a single champions league goal in his first 3 seasons at Man United. Today, he is the highest goal scorer. What does that tell u? Give this guy a break. All this theory about him scoring more goals against weaker teams does not prove anything. Do u expect Arsenal to play conservatively against Derby or Fulham? Normally, caution is thrown into the wind against teams like this so the attacking football will flourish whereas against teams like Milan or Barcelona, the manager will be cautious how he bombs forward. Sheeeeeeeesh******* this is pure logic. Cristiano ronaldo is a winger and not a striker and since you know about logic you should be able to figure out why ronaldo can be excused. So, does that justify why he missed sitters against liverpool and man u? Does this justify why he could not score against chelsea in stafford bridge or at the emirates? There is a difference between not having chances and not taking chances in big games.Adebayor is more of the later. Adebayor is a good striker once again and i am not taking anything away from him but he needs to up his game and deliver more in the big games and champions league like torres only then can 80k per week be fair.After all his 30 goals won us nothing so why up his salary to 80k? 
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hucarson (m)
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@ Loyika, At the drop of the season's curtain, what the fans will be demanding is trophys and titles? Tottenham will show their cup, Man Utd will show their Premiership trophy, Pompey will certainly show their FA cup but will Wenger show his fans? 83 points? Are you kidding me? How many players score 30 goals a season like Ade did this season? I am beginning to see why players leave Arsenal. You guys don't appreciate what u have got until they leave u. Ade deserves 80k a week!!!! @ HNIC, I saw Eduardo's injury but what has that got to do with Adebayor. Okay-ok, Saha would have scored 50 goals this season if he wasn't injured.  Players should know when to make contact ball and when to withdraw their feet in tackles. I just don't enjoy players that hug/romance the bench due to one injury or the other. They dampen the spirit in their team. My friend, there's no difference between the 3rd and the 11th. Do u really think Tottenham was hoping to break into the BIG 4 way back in August? Maybe u need to listen to Keegan's post-match conference last week. Top 4 qualifies for what? Money-spinning what? You are obviously naive about these competitions. Over the past 2 years, the Premiership has eclipsed UEFA. Derby County will make more money relegating than Man Utd winning the champions league. I won't be surprised if the rich teams in Europe form their own super league in the coming years as the much talked about Champions league is now a hogwash. Apart from the prestige, money is no longer the motivating factor especially for English clubs. I didn't say Arsenal has finished trophyless for 4 seasons. . . .I said 4 years.  @ Vicade, It doesn't matter where Ronaldo plays. Most of the time in Europe, he was being used as a striker because Rooney had to do defensive duties to cover Evra or Brown. Ronaldo does not track back so i know what i am saying. Adebayor needs to up his game(u keep repeating yourself) but would u have predicted he would score 30 goals in August when the season kicked off? Sheeeeeesh**********His 30 goals won u nothing because pasta-brittle boned players like Eduardo, Van Persie and Bendtner didn't contribute enough. United's attack(The Holy Trinity) have scored 77 goals this season alone, this is because Rooney and Tevez contributed their own quota. After Adebayor, who do u have next in line. . . Fabregas!!!! Contribution( miserly 13 goals all season).
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vicade (m)
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@ Vicade,
It doesn't matter where Ronaldo plays. Most of the time in Europe, he was being used as a striker because Rooney had to do defensive duties to cover Evra or Brown. Ronaldo does not track back so i know what i am saying. Adebayor needs to up his game(u keep repeating yourself) but would u have predicted he would score 30 goals in August when the season kicked off? Sheeeeeesh**********His 30 goals won u nothing because pasta-brittle boned players like Eduardo, Van Persie and Bendtner didn't contribute enough. United's attack(The Holy Trinity) have scored 77 goals this season alone, this is because Rooney and Tevez contributed their own quota. After Adebayor, who do u have next in line. . . Fabregas!!!! Contribution( miserly 13 goals all season).
So are you saying he deserves 80k per week after only one season? He scored 30 and i did not expect it so kudos to him. But had he scored 15 goals in the most important matches such as against birghmiham(third goal) or against chelsea(away) or against liverpool champions league(at home) and so on, who knows what would have happened. But six goals against derby wont change anything(same 3 points anyway) but one more goal or that assit to bendtner in the birghmiham game could have changed the season. Had he scoed all those sitters against man u and liverpool, who knows what would have happened. GOALS ARE NOT ALL ABOUT AMOUNT, THEY ARE ALSO ABOUT TIMING. After all, andy johnson scored 21 goals for crystal palace in the premiership and they still got relegated. Adebayor is a proven goal scorer but can he score in the big matches? Guess we have to wait till next season to find out.
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hucarson (m)
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@ Vicade,
Adebayor will score in big matches if his teammates do what they are paid to do. Adebayor has done his job, it is left for Hleb(doesn't contribute much as far as goals r concerned), Rosicky, RVP,(Another Saha), Bendtner(pants) and Walcott(over-rated) to do their jobs effectively. Adebayor added another dimension to Arsenal's attack. This season, i saw Sagna & Flamini putting quality balls in the box for Adebayor to head in. The lad has improved and Wenger should up the ante to motivate him. This is what Fergie does very well. Wenger should wager him scoring 40 next season and push his wages to 80k and letz see if Ade won't score. I don't see Ronaldo leaving Man United anytime soon, his next challenge is to score 50 goals next season. Ferguson knows how to keep them firing.
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vicade (m)
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Okay enough of all this adebayor money talk back to transfers. I heard yaya toure is on the books of arsene wenger. Apparently he had a trial with arsenal some time back and some of his videos on youtube are awesome. I am just concerned about Gilbertos future  Wenger should send Kolo toure to yaya toure to do the deal. After all blood is thicker than dollar 
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hucarson (m)
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Yaya Toure at Arsenal? Forget it!!! One, he won't be cheap(Wenger loves em cheap). Secondly, he won't opt for Arsenal where Wenger treats some players as first-class season and treats the rest as 2nd class citizen. Expect players like Mputu, Ideye, Bala Ezekiel and Marcus Bent.
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vicade (m)
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Yaya Toure at Arsenal? Forget it!!! One, he won't be cheap(Wenger loves em cheap). Secondly, he won't opt for Arsenal where Wenger treats some players as first-class season and treats the rest as 2nd class citizen. Expect players like Mputu, Ideye, Bala Ezekiel and Marcus Bent.
If he could spend so much on stupid reyes, stupid jeffers and average wiltord and walcott, i don't see why he should not splash cash on yaya toure. I hope kolo toure is aslo an advantage and there is a new coach in barcelona who might want to get rid of him-hopefully. But yet again, you have a point. Wenger loves em cheap but mputu and co will be playing for the under 18's or the arsenal womens team.a good wig and constant shaving will do the trick 
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Mc Omo (m)
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@Loyika am not saying Adebayor is worth 80k . . .what I am saying is he is worth more than 30k . . . .have you forgotten that he is African footballer of the year-elect  so can we all lobby Wenger to go halfway . . .80 - 30 = 50 . . .way to resolve it add 50/2 = 25k total it up 30 + 25 = 55k 55k sincerely can't be too much for him . . . .not that he is asking for it anyway . . .  P.S how much does Obafemi cop at Newcastle
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eldee (m)
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Just like other Nigerian players, he's suffering because he was extravagant. . . Kanu just left Arenal when he came to Naija and burnt money on his wedding, forgetting mortgage people don't understand 'i'll see you later'  If he could spend so much on stupid reyes, stupid jeffers and average wiltord and walcott, i don't see why he should not splash cash on yaya toure. I hope kolo toure is aslo an advantage and there is a new coach in barcelona who might want to get rid of him-hopefully. But yet again, you have a point. Wenger loves em cheap but mputu and co will be playing for the under 18's or the arsenal womens team.a good wig and constant shaving will do the trick  Lol@women's team They're champions you know, for like the umpteenth trophy Anyways you've got to admit that Wenger's avoiding mistakes now It's hard on him too, the club is owing, he can't just risk any money right now Any bargain he strikes now must be in favour of the club's accounts, either by performance or by motivation(i.e Gallas)
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4 Play (m)
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Spurs had a better season than Arsenal.Gaynners are forgetting what football is about-trophies.
Its not difficult to see why Gaynners will forget this most fundamental point-that trophies are the only thing that matter.
Recently,Gaynners have been consoling themselves by crowing,'we won the 83 points total cup'.By that measure,Liverpool were a better side in '06 than in '05-in the former,they finished 3rd with 82 points while in the latter,they finished 5th with 58 points.
This season is an improvement on last season but that is neither here nor there.Arsenal,after 3 years,are back to where they began their trophyless run.
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nightrider
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Debosky
you make me laugh. The problem with us Arsenal fans is that once someone questions what Wenger is doing at the club he automatically is labelled a traitor.
that quote Arsene Knows is what Arsene WEnger has used to blindfold all of us. I am an Arsenal fan, thats why i care. if i didnt care iw ouldn't say shit. The fact that i am mad shows i have a passion for the club, with or without Wenger.
When ALex Ferguson went 3 seasons without winning the league, wasnt it suggested that the Glazers should sack him, that he had past his prime. There is no coach that is immune to abuse when he fails. or else they get into a comfort zone the way Wenger is right now. When Nigeria plays rubbish, dnt you abuse the coach. Does it mean you are not a Nigerian. So debosky and co yur statements hold now water.
Wenger can only show a committment to win when he shows a committment to players.
Lets see him bring in Ben Arfa, Lets see him bring in Eto'o, LEts see him bid for a good defensive midfielder, then we will know he wants to win.
Let me ask you Debosky what if WEnger doesn't win the league next season. WHat will Happen?
Let me tell You what will happen. He will sit put , Arsenal fans will back him and he will try the same stupid unwinning formula all over again.
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HNIC (m)
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@ Nightrider So, with Ben and Etoo,and a few others, we will win  Truth is this, no ne is happy about going trophyless this season.Even the gaffer isn't . Now what do we do?Should we get rid of the gaffer?If we do, who would replace him? Isn't that another rebuilding process?Or will anothe manager come to Arsenal and do the Mourinho thing. Get rid of everyone and buy all the best players in the world and boom! we are champs again. AW has had his own fair share of criticism.It got to a level where he spoke out and said, he refuses to be disrespected. FOR ME.RATHER THAN A WHOLESALE CHANGE TO THE TEAM, I WOULD LIKE US TO ADD TWO OR THREE PLAYERS WHERE WE NEED THEM AND PRAY FOR AN INJURY FREE SEASON. Come on, imagine if Sagna,Rozzi,RVP and Dudu were all fit for the run-in. Methinks we would have won the EPL this season. The AW I know would not buy more than 3-4 players for next season(no wholesale changes). Meanwhile Ben arfa yes, but Etoo, no way!
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