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eldee (m)
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@ Nightrider So, with Ben and Etoo,and a few others, we will win  Truth is this, no ne is happy about going trophyless this season.Even the gaffer isn't . Now what do we do?Should we get rid of the gaffer? If we do, who would replace him?Isn't that another rebuilding process?Or will anothe manager come to Arsenal and do the Mourinho thing.Get rid of everyone and buy all the best players in the world and boom! we are champs again. AW has had his own fair share of criticism.It got to a level where he spoke out and said, he refuses to be disrespected. FOR ME.RATHER THAN A WHOLESALE CHANGE TO THE TEAM, I WOULD LIKE US TO ADD TWO OR THREE PLAYERS WHERE WE NEED THEM AND PRAY FOR AN INJURY FREE SEASON. Come on, imagine if Sagna,Rozzi,RVP and Dudu were all fit for the run-in. Methinks we would have won the EPL this season. The AW I know would not buy more than 3-4 players for next season(no wholesale changes). Meanwhile Ben arfa yes, but Etoo, no way! Exactly what I was telling some pips the other day A squad-change will really affect the team negatively Trophies? It's all about growth, blending and movement. Not just buying a whole new squad in one season, ask Claudio Ranieri
No winning team was built in one season. And those manager questionshmmn How many managers in this world can you count that are better than AW? Financial terms, foward thinking, fan entertainment, trophy winning, it's really hard to find a replacement If this dude goes, we'll change more coaches than Newcastle.Remember Barcelona and Real are still waiting to steal him. |
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Chriz (m)
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@hucarson
There is a big difference between 2nd, 3rd, 11th etc. This is not the NBA. Meanwhile the league is the bread and butter. Don't spin just for the sake of an argument.
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debosky (m)
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@ nightrider You still failed to address my assertion - where were you when we went trophyless 99-01? Were you also baying for AW's head then or you were not yet a fan? Let him bring blah blah blah - what if he brings them and doesn't win? what will you say then? There are no players who can guarantee trophies - ask Liverpool for all their wheeling and dealing didn't win a thing and ended up worse than last season. Granted AW is in arguably a more secure position than Fergie in some respects (when he doesn't win that is), but that is because of the fundamental difference in structure between OT and the Emirates - AW facilitated and brought forth his vision for a new ground, he has moulded the club in his image. Let him bring so and soI ask again, what if he doesn't win?? So by bidding for these players that ALL KNOWING Nightrider has chosen, Wenger would have shown you (the Alpha and Omega of Arsenal FC) that he wants to win? Abeg get off your high horse - who did he buy last season that made you believe for 3/4 of the season that he wanted to win? Was it Nordveit, or Eduardo or Sagna whom most if not all Arsenal fans knew nothing about? Chelski that bought Malouda, Anelka and co, did they win? And one more thing, I do not calling you a traitor for questioning AW, I myself have questioned a number of decisions this season - why play Dudu on the wing or RVP on the wing when they were far more effective in the center in the games they played? Why stick with Eboue all season when he was a completely useless idiot? Why rush Kolo back while Senderos was having a good run of form? @ MC Omo Adebayor deserves 80k because?? Didier Drogba collects only 75k at CHELSKI of all places, and is a more finished product so why should Ade collect 80? Even Fabregas doesn't pick up 80 - he is still on 75K so what makes Ade so special? This is one of the reasons I'm not sad to see Flamini go - if he got the 75k he wanted, all the other players would want the same, especially since some of them are more integral to the team than he is. And you're comparing him to Martins?? Tell me - is Martins worth more than Drogba?? Yet he is paid more at 90k - due to the foolishness of Newcastle, I don't want such at Arsenal thank you. @ HNIC You are one of the most astute guys here, keep it up. 4 POINTS BEHIND THE LEAGUE WINNERS AND A CL QUARTER FINAL (arguably decided by dodgy refereeing decisions) is a very good, albeit trophyless season. @ All I know y'all are uspet at another barren (trophywise) season, but so is Wenger - I repeat, not in the 10 years in charge at Arsenal has he made the kind of bold and categorical comments he has made recently. He is as mad and pissed off as the rest of us, and is INTENT on improving where we have fallen short. Where were all of you from 99 till 2001?? Did you all slink away as fair weather fans? Get some guts and stand behind your club! Gunner 1915  |
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nightrider
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Debosky,
I knew that Arsenal wasn't going to win the league this season. I said from the very first game. You can't win a league with a thin squad, it's impossible. Players get tired, Players get injured, if you like you can do dry fasting, players will still get injured. You need a big squad. and we had that when we won the league the last time. The squad is really thin.
Once the first 11 are gone , you got only like 3 more players who can really really mix it amongst the best.
I'm not saying Ben arfa and Eto will win us the league. I'm saying purchasing players of the same type of quality will prove to us that he has learnt from the mistakes of the past 3 seasons. We need players. Call Wenger God of coaching ( which he mos def aint)
We need players.
Check how many games these boys play. UEFA, FA , CArling, LEAgue and you think they wnt be tired. It was obvious FAbregas was physically drained.
And who do you bring on to replace him denilson.
Abeg Debosky , wake up man, is wenger dating you or sumthin. This squad we have has nice players, but not enough.
Its not Wenger's style of play that has cost us the league, Its his inability to bolster his squad. Thats because he's a proud asshole who wants to take credit for molding everyone that becomes a star.
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debosky (m)
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He's proud and wants to claim he moulded players?? Did he mould Sol Campbell, Gilberto, Bergkamp, Adams, Keown and other greats? Did he mould Pires or Vieira? Did he mould Overmars? Your comments are beginning to get really bitter and incoherent. My man your pain and hurt has blinded you and caused you to make blanket condemnations. I ask you - how many players were lost between 2004 and 2005 that we didn't retain the league? Or between 2005 and 2006 that we went from second to fourth? Player this and that, rubbish. What is this fabled 'same type of quality'? I ask you again, did you know ANYTHING about Bacary Sagna before he came to Arsenal and showed he was the best RB in the league?? I don't know why all of a sudden you have become the determiner of what a 'quality' player is and what isn't. What is wrong with Denilson if I may ask? We had more than our fair share of injuries this term, that is what cost us, and not a 'thin squad' as you all claim - Denilson, RVP, Rosicky, Eduardo, Diaby all had LENGTHY lay offsthat kind of quality cannot be simply bought over night in the transfer market. Ok lets assume you 'knew' we wouldn't win the premiership, why weren't we hearing these cries then? all of a sudden we should all bow and accept your divine opinion?? Ok, we did not win the premiership, but did your 'all knowing' self predict we would only be 4 points short? I bet you were one of the people crying that spurs will finish above us because they bought more players. Wenger IS buying players, so is every other squad, so this your 'buy players' mantra is getting tiresome. It does not solve ANYTHING as Chelski, Liverpool and most spectacularly Spurs have shown this season. The past three seasons CANNOT be lumped together, anyone who takes half a second to ponder will see that! 2006 was a complete write off, except for the CL run to the final, 2007 was as a direct result of moving to a new ground and coping with the massive changes at the club. 2007/2008 is the first real season we've had in ages, and so on the basis of that I DISAGREE with your doomsday preaching. AW WILL buy players, they may not meet your all knowing standards, but a work in progress will continue. Once again you avoided my assertions, did the so called 'thin squad' prevent us from winning from 99-2001 or for 2003? please get back to me on that. Your arguments are light - there are numerous factors that led to our demise this season, to narrow it down to players alone is highly simplistic and naive. Gunner 1915 |
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nightrider
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debosky
as badly as a i want Arsenal to win the league next season. i cnt wait to say i told you so if Wenger does he usual stupid tactics.
Arsenal has become Super Eagles every failure is building for the future.
Your gunner 1915 till i diw stance doesn't impress me. rather i have the opinion of you that yu r easily brain washed by people you admire. Wenger isnt gona win the league next season, with this same crop of players.
Helbs almost gone, flamini is out. If that Nigga dnt buy. HE'll be watching sir Ferguson celebrating an 11th title. And you mr debosky will be giving me this same old tired ass argument in favour of wenger's second place for 3 years, one title win and another 3 year barren run style. Real men win the title and defend it. Real menget to champions league semi final consitently. Pussies give excuses and talk about the future.
We need Wenger to sit up and no amount Holla Balloering from you can change the Fact that he came in 33333333rrrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddddddddd.
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debosky (m)
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Sharrap my friend!  No be you dey do wuruwuru mathematics to show Ade deserves a pay raise? Can you imagine that bloody Osun state boy collecting 35k a week and complaining. Oloju kokoro  HNIC no dey yarn nonsense - the boy speaks with intelligence and also dispassionately. Some of you guys need to step back and get some perspective on this season. If not high BP will kill all of una Why wont AW be proud? If he wasn't proud, I'd never want him to be my coach - you need someone with guts to stand up for something and not be a Rafa who cries every year that 'I need more money' like Oliver twist - they gave him money and he ended up worse. Gunner 1915 |
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Mc Omo (m)
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@Debosky
na diss time ?o gbadun ! which state u come from sef wey u dey yab the Osun boy ? u wey be say u be Igbirra proper u come dey yab Adebayor  seriously tho . . .everyone needs to air their views else it would be all too boring . . . .we all tow the ARSENE KNOWS line even when we know that HE DOESNT ALWAYS KNOW  . . .give or take, AW will not come on NLAND and see how Niterider has been yabbing him |
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ritchboy (m)
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ben arfa has confirmed he's holding talks with arsenal about a possible move(rumoured to be in the region of 13 million pounds).
13 million is a fair tag for a player of his age/calibre/potential.but shouldnt AW be signing a right winger instead?(not that i have any objections).
hleb is 100 times better through the middle, walcott is unpredictable(brilliant today, well, we all know what happens tomorow), and eboue is SHIT as a winger(still an exceptional rb IMO).
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debosky (m)
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@ Kit ol boy i no mind people expressing opinion jare, but when there is too much bitterness or bile, I object. wetin give nightrider right to express himself and me i no fit? Omo let the debate continue jare! @ ritchboy the gist is yet to be confirmed, lets wait and see if it happens.  |
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ritchboy (m)
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the gist is yet to be confirmed well it depends on what you mean by 'the gist'. . . ben arfa himself told l'equipe negotiations have begun.the only 'yet to be confirmed' part is the price tag.and ofcourse he might still decide not to join arsenal.the only thing certain is that the negotiations have begun. |
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debosky (m)
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He said he has talked about Arsenal, I don't trust the tabloids quite yet. . . it may or may not happen. Lets wait and see if it comes through or not.
His comments sound like 'I don't know if its true or not' and even he said you can't believe everything you read in newspapers.
AW said 2-3 weeks and we'll see something, I'm prepared to wait and see.
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yommys01
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it is time for the award for the worst player of the season and here to present the award is ,
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yommys01
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and the award goes to
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topeorekoy (m)
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@YOMMYS01,
r u sure u knw what you're saying? did "the beast" play for arsenal this season? and why would u say gilberto is the the worst this season? What of traore, hoyte and co? who didnt even perform?
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Mc Omo (m)
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@Topeorekoy don't let me cyber-slap u . . . .  must u reply the guy ? or can't u just see he is monkeying around  aw is u man ? |
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loyika (m)
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Debo I don't know why you waste your time with Nightrider, like every other person, if he is not happy supporting Arsenal he should fcuk off to bedlum!! IS IT BY FORCE TO SUPPORT A TEAM There are 19 other teams in the Prem and like 50 other teams in the World, if the dude is having problems with Arsenal FC, he should go to somewhere his views will be adhered too. SHOO DEM BEG AM TO BE GUNNER!! It just shows how some folks don't really know anything about the club, when Arsenal went unbeaten in the league, didn't we have a thin squad This season was no different, looking at it critically, we lost only 3 games, and didn't lose at home, what killed us were the constant draws ( especially those 4 draws in a row). In the UCL, we were denied a clear decision, which changed the outlook of the game. The only comps we were clearly beaten are in the FA Cup and Carling Cup, where we had no chance. Its a very thin line between success and failure, Chelsea had things within their sight, but a last minute loss of concentration let Emile Heskey in to pop their dreams (the fact that they also drew against Bolton didn't go amiss). The Scum had that championship luck and drive to cross the finish line and kudos to them for winning their 10th title, but any gunner will be satisfied with the effort the boys put in, knowing that they will push themselves that extra mile next season. People talk about buying so and so Like you asked, didn't Liverpool buy through out the season Didn't Spurs out buy us through out the season, Didn't Chelsea buy players as well, How about Man City Do i even talk about Pompey, DIDN'T THEY ALL BUY PLAYERS!? Buying players is not the only solution, the main stuff is to look at where we had deficiencies and try to correct them. If the existing players can improve, like Cesc/Hleb in his shooting, Ade in his first touch skills, Kolo in his defending, Clicy on his focus, and so on, then add quality players to replace the ones that have gone, i.e. Flamini and Lehman. Coupled with the fact that if RVP, Dudu, and Rozzi can stay fitter next season, and taking into consideration that some players are coming back from loan spells, specifically Carlos Vela from Spain, i feel that any addition has to be worth it, and not just for the sake of it. I expect 2 additions to the squad ( excluding 2 players to replace the exited ones). All in all 4 quality players coming in is good enough for me. We need to let the other players from the youth ranks step up, players like Fran Merida, M Randall and co (i wouldn't mind if we brought Seb Larsson back from relegated Birmingham, but i doubt Arsene will do that). Basically, now is the time our team and Gaffer need us to stand behind them, anyone that says that Wenger is not feeling the pressure, is just being plain stupid. The guy described this season as his most disappointing he has ever had, that statement alone should show everyone that the Boss is devestated with the outcome, because he focused all his efforts to win the league (selling off the Carling and FA all in the name of winning back the league). This team will come back stronger next season, as everyone else will, but we all know where things went wrong, and if the players step up and be counted, then i have no doubt we will be in the thick of things with the best of them. @ Kit Shush!! If you had your way, you for don ioncrease Ade's salary to 150k sef (You go even make sure we all donated 500k Naira for every goal he scored and send am the money to show how much we appreciate him ). Funny enough, Ade missed more chances than he actually put away And come when did "Praise Singing" become bad Spare us your "Charles Soludoious" moves oh First una ban "Spraying" now una don come again Sunny Ade go cuss una oh GOONER 89 |
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vicade (m)
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Eboue was by far the worst arsenal player last season-i mean he was like the only arsenal midfielder that did not score a single goal in any competition not to talk of assists.
I hope this ben arfa story is true. Saw some of his videos on youtube and the kid is amazing.
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Cristalz (f)
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Beloved Gunners I heard a rumor that Arsene's thinking about buying Obafemi Martins.Is this true?If it is,i guess the man has finally decided to do somethin about gettin a good striker, or perhaps he's about to sell Adebayor,just like Flam |
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vicade (m)
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Martins has good finishing,pace,shot,strenght and can be good in the air but his technique is completely zero. That is why Yakubu Aiyegbeni is preferable to me because yakubu has better technique though both of them are unfit to be gunners.
For definition of technique, Kanu is Technique.
GOD PLEASE DONT LET WENGER BUY MARTINS OO
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Cristalz (f)
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@vicade Kanu? Hez no longer as good as he used to be.Now hez got watery legs.Yakubu a gunner?Now that'd be a weird sight I doubt that Yak can adapt to Arsenal's style of play,as in,excessively passing the ball around.They'll probably start calling the guy selfish after 2 games. And what do you mean by Yak and Martins being unfit to be gunners?Right now i doubt that your team are in any position to complain seeing as even guys like Baptista and Eboue are unfit to be gunners As in,i still find it hard to believe Flam left.Very unwise of Wenger in my opinion,unless therez some master plan i'm not seeing. Mez just wondering what will happen to Ade and RVP if Martins comes in.Whoz going to be the lead 'bench man'? @muki You want Martins on the gunner squad? Short Obagoal and long Ade would make quite a pair |
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mukina2 (f)
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@muki You want Martins on the gunner squad? Short Obagoal and long Ade would make quite a pair Martins to do what? please i am used to Ade  let him stay at newcastle , maybe Fergie will buy him Yakubu is NOT a gunner o AW did what he could to keep Flam but he wanted to leave so? greedy traitor |
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Cristalz (f)
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@muki Hmm.What exactly did AW do? Everybody knows his hobby is breeding young players under the gunner flag only to sell them to big clubs later.And where did Flam go,ACM right?Gosh,poor Fab.Howz he going to hold the midfield all by his lonesome?Guess he'll leave too before long. And,Fergie buy Martins?Take do wetin? Not in this age. |
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vicade (m)
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@cristalz
Eboue cost just over £1 m so there may be profit if he is sold now. Baptista was on loan and has since been adequately dispatched.
Kanu in his prime was one of the most technically gifted players ever.Kanu in Atlanta 96 was just genius especially those two goals against brazil-Top class technique. Kanu is almost 45 five years old now. Martins and Yakubu are like 30 years old so they have time to improve but not at the emirates.
I had much worries when the The french mafia left- henry,pires and viera left because those guys are winners.
AS per flamini , only time will tell if he will end up like DAVID Bentley of BLACKBURN or JOSE Antonio Reyes of ATHLETICO MADRID.
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mukina2 (f)
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And,Fergie buy Martins?Take do wetin? Not in this age. ohhh and u wish him on us abi? AW gave him a deadline . what else should he have done? take him out to dinner like cashley wanted or added 5 million to his account? Flam left because he was being greedy . i wish him well, with AC o lets see how it goes for him most of them that left us in the past season or two are still "trying" why is everyone crying for us? when viera left. Flamini was not an active member of the first team. He only had one good season and now everyone thinks our midfield is gone Next season is almost here be ready for our guns . . |
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Cristalz (f)
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@muki Come on,be realistic.Flam was like Fab's backup.A little like our Rio-Vida combo,tho not as effective of course . With Flam and Fab holding Arsenal's midfield,things were good.Remember the major causes of Arsenal's flops were lack of good strikers and tired legs.With Flam gone,most of the midfield work will fall to Fab.Before long Fab sef go vex comot.I'm not saying there aren't other midfielders but Flam and Fab are your current best. What makes you sure Flam was greedy?We all know Wenger's a selfish dude.If a player like Wes could ask for a raise and get one,why couldn't AW pay Flam more if that's what Flam wanted?That guy is/was important to AW's team. Its happening all over again.He did little to stop Vieira,Pires,Henry,Reyes and co from leaving.Likewise he's going to sit back and watch Flam,Fab,Eduardo get frustrated with him and go back to their roots.Then he'll go fishing for youngsters playing soccer bare-footed in their mama's backyards,train them and sell them.Its like the vicious cycle of poverty.Wenger's too enmeshed within the cycle.Hez just using that club,he doesn't really care about winning trophies.Wenger shoulda been an Igbo business man. So,we should get ready for your guns abi?In person of Obagoal and Ade,the short-long combo |
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mukina2 (f)
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sharrap dere Obagoal back to sender poster I am being real . ok agreed Flam's first perfect season was awesome. I never said he wasnt the best. combo with Fab4 as far as 07/08 season was concerned. The guy wanted to leave at all cost .Dearie, when a player starts wanting more. it immediately spells " i want to move on".Flam wanted more like cashley So what if he wanted a raise, assuming every other player . asked for a raise. AW must break bank to satisfy all of them abi he is greedy jo. Fab4 is not going no where . You can question some players loyalty but his is intact Had it been him that was leaving . I would have been sorry to see him go  but Flam can go . Agreed Ade is not a world class striker,but he has his good points, between Ade and rooney who wasted glaring chances this just concluded season? as for the ones you posted , A LOT WAS DONE TO KEEP TITI but he wanted to leave . i mean we can't hold him against his wishes. Reyes kept whining Ljunberg wanted to leave Pires wanted more than a season's contract sharrap his youth policy is good whats wrong in bringing up players? agreed sometimes we need experienced players but don't forget they may expire after a season or two we shall win trophies you all know this season didnt favour us |
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Mc Omo (m)
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@ least . . .we can now boast of our moderator talking sports proper nice one |
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Cristalz (f)
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@Kit I'm training her well @muki Listen to yourself Modi.You agree with me then you add 'but' Everything is wrong with bringing up young players when your purpose of bringing them up is not to serve your club but to sell them like fattened cattle.When you're a gaffer,its a bloody sin.The club is dying at the expense of training youngsters that leave to help rival clubs win.Does that make sense to you?It sure as hell don't to me. Now you're saying 'Flam can go' after praising him all this while.Gunners never cease to amaze me o. I'm sure when Fab wants to leave you will also bring up his weak points and say 'Fab can go'.Na wa. Don't be so sure of any player that professes loyalty to Arsenal o.Henry vowed to see out his career with Arsenal,didn't he?If not that nobody really wants Lehmann due to his age,erratic nature,bad temper and amusing but risky stunts on the pitch,the guy woulda left a long time ago too.Your players want to go somewhere else deep down inside,but they keep hoping things will get better @ the Emirates so they stay on and fake loyalty.Abeg,forget Arsenal jare.Una get serious issues die. And,as for Rooney.First off,how dare you compare Rooney and Ade in the same breath? Girl,class get levels o.Ade is pitiable beside Rooney's skill,drive,ambition,strength,class! Rooney missed chances,but at least he went out and created them.He tirelessly fought for those chances.Ade cruises along like a limp veggie waiting for goals to be handed to him on a platter.If that's your definition of a good striker,please gimme Wayne Rooney anytime anyday.I'd rather have a player with a hell of a lot of drive and determination,skill and class that misses than one that is lackadiasical on the pitch because chances are the active player will convert at least 70% of his chances.As if Ade doesn't miss chances too.Or even scores frequently for that matter.* hiss* Make i hear word jo. Also if every gaffer refused to buy experienced players because 'experienced players are good but they expire after a while', then Beckham,Henry,Giggs,Ruud,Raul,Messi and co would all be out of jobs in no time. If you must make a point,make it good I'm taking your advice anyway- off to rest.Hola. |
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