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Cesc04
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@Hannibal If Arsenal had a fox in the box(Ruud, Torres, Huntelaar). . . .Hleb would be notching 40 assists every season. We had edu' for more than half a season before he got crocked nd I still could count on one hand the number of assists he got from Hleb. Man you have a funny tendency to over exaggerate. Hleb's good,but he arnt the end of the world for AFC. And what was it you said about Arshavin not clicking against spain 'cause he was shackled by hard tackling Puole nd machena  please,before you start comparing those pair of softies with Andoni Goikoetxea(the butcher of bilbao),let me have you know that even the spanish fans had little or no faith in their defenders nd those pair of impostors would have been found out had it not been for macus senna. |
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Hannibal
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homie, I'm not sure bout that . . . you can't say because you think anderson played better than fab in the games they played against each other automatically means anderson is better
Because i think?? Were u asleep when Anderson made Fab4 look like a poof at the Emirates or at OT in the FA cup game? How else would they be judged?? Fab4 plays more games than Anderson because of Arsenal's squad size n lack of good midfielders. I am not sure Fab4 would be playing 30 league games at Man Utd, would he?? we are not talkin bout debut season, the question is CURRENTLY who's a better player - Anderson Or Fabregas?
The better player is ANDERSON! |
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folahann (m)
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You na this your anderson. If you ask the average football supporter(not man or arsenal supporter) who they'll prefer to play midfield for their team (either anderson or fabregas) - 10 out of 10 would choose Fabregas
As for the fox in the box, that somethin' eduardo could have easily done if he had:
1. played more games
2. didnt get injured
You make me remember how much we miss our natural finisher United don't have any out n out striker since Ruud left in 2006.
Saha shoulda been but injury won't even let him play 4 games in a stretch. . . .
Tevez n Rooney shouldn't be playing together but trust Ferguson to conjure something out of nuthing.
Wait till we get Huntelaar.
You you admit you really need Huntelaar |
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tboy1 (m)
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Because i think?? Were u asleep when Anderson made Fab4 look like a poof at the Emirates or at OT in the FA cup game?
How else would they be judged??
Goals and Assists for both club and international team - not against each other The better player is ANDERSON!
No he's not!!! No doubt anderson is good and would only improve with the more games he plays, but he's CURRENTLY not better than fabregas between: I know you'll probably come back sayin' fabregas had more games |
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tboy1 (m)
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You make me remember how much we miss our natural finisher
Bro i nearly broke my TV screen when i saw that injury, if i had martin taylor's home address - i wouldnt have gone to pop one between his eyes . . .   |
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debosky (m)
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40 assists my fanny  In that case if Torres or Huntelaar were playing at Arsenal, Cesc would have 100 assists How come he didn't even rack up to Fab4's assists even with the alleged 'selfishness' from Fab4? Or is he saying that Ade and co refused to score when he passed? For someone claiming to be moving from London to Milan to be quieter, I am not really shocked by the bollocks from Hleb. . . apart from knowing how to squeeze out of tight positions with the ball, he has little or no other brain capacity. |
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folahann (m)
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Oh!
Are you cocerned with Hleb comments, that guy's case now is look and pass
i no longer consider him an Arenal player at the close of lat season
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tboy1 (m)
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@ Hannibal So who is the better player between Fàbregas and Anderson?
Both are of about the same age and both play in a similar position. At the moment of course, Cesc is by far the better one. With his playmaking prowess and boyish enthusiasm mingling well with great maturity, Cesc has become one of the best in European football. But Anderson is just starting on the voyage and is anticipated to come big in the next couple of seasons. Several football pundits say that Anderson has been signed as a long term replacement for Paul Scholes and that tells really.http://soccerlens.com/fabregas-arsenal-v-anderson-manchester-united-who-is-the-better-player/4502/ |
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Hannibal
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Goals and Assists for both club and international team - not against each other
Goals and Assists for club/country is based on the number of appearances and defined roles. Fabregas' high number of assists for Arsenal stems from the fact that he is the key man for corner-kicks n indirect freekicks. No he's not!!!
No doubt anderson is good and would only improve with the more games he plays, but he's CURRENTLY not better than fabregas
Anderson is currently better than Fab4. . . . . . . Give this young lad games and u would be amazed at what he can do. . . . .He is an all rounder and more physically dominant than Cesc. He is still the only player TILL DATE that stopped Gerrard from functioning at Anfield.  @ Debosky, I am gobsmacked!!! 70% of Cesc's assists came from dead ball situations NOT open play. Do u know how many corner-kicks n indirect freekicks of Cesc that led to late minute goals for Arsenal?? I don't know how u expect Hleb to rack up the same assists as Cesc when he doesn't even play corner-kicks as a winger/right midfielder. Hleb has the best football brain in the Arsenal set up. . . . . He was a constant pain for the United defence at OT in April. |
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Hannibal
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@ Hannibal So who is the better player between Fàbregas and Anderson?
Both are of about the same age and both play in a similar position. At the moment of course, Cesc is by far the better one. With his playmaking prowess and boyish enthusiasm mingling well with great maturity, Cesc has become one of the best in European football. But Anderson is just starting on the voyage and is anticipated to come big in the next couple of seasons. Several football pundits say that Anderson has been signed as a long term replacement for Paul Scholes and that tells really.http://soccerlens.com/fabregas-arsenal-v-anderson-manchester-united-who-is-the-better-player/4502/ From the same website. . . . . . Anderson might not have made as many starts as a player with his reputation would have liked to but he has definitely had had his moments. Especially against Arsenal earlier this season when he was pitted against the best playmaker in the Premiership at the moment Cesc Fàbregas and dominated possession and midfield; to be honest, Anderson was BETTER than his Spanish counterpart in the dual between Manchester United and Arsenal.http://soccerlens.com/fabregas-arsenal-v-anderson-manchester-united-who-is-the-better-player/4502/Let it be known this article was written in December. . . . not May 2008. Fabregas lost 70% of his outstanding form between January and May. |
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folahann (m)
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so with his little no of games for United, what are his physical contribution in these games
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Hannibal
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so with his little no of games for United, what are his physical contribution in these games
He was the best player at the Emirates(Had United lost, Arsenal wlda gone 3-6 points ahead). He stopped Gerrard at Anfield and single-handedly plotted Liverpool's defeat(something Chelsea and Arsenal couldn't manage). One thang u PLASTIC Gaynner fans haven't noticed is the Anfield magic. Beat Liverpool at Anfield and u shall win the league. Once Chelsea n Arsenal failed to beat em, i knew United would retain their title. Since the turn of the century. . . . .any club who manages to beat Liverpool at Anfield wins the Premiership. Food for thunk!!!! These 2 games got United 4 points . . . . Take those out and Chelsea woulda won the league. |
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folahann (m)
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those are not physical, i said physical
emphasicing on Physicality
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A-40 (m)
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Ohh Brotha  here we go with that ludicrous comparison again Anderson better than Cesc try Azeezat is finer than Beyonce yall wouldnt stop amusing me on this thread even Stevie Wonder can see the gulf of class between those players how can anyone who knows the slightest bit of footie compare Fab to that ninny I just hope and pray we don't go the way of Ajax moving to a bigger stadium without sufficient financial backup is not a smart move its obvious todays game is about cash you need money to compete |
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Hannibal
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those are not physical, i said physical
emphasicing on Physicality
U are not making any sense at all. Harrassing opponents, getting at em to force elementary mistakes and lose possession is the KEY to winning any game. Arsenal wanted to win the game at OT. . . .Allow Arsenal to settle down and they would carve anything open with precision. Hustle their midfielders and they would misplace passes. . . . .ANDERSON made sure he did that effectively at the Emirates and at OT in February. |
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debosky (m)
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You're making excuses Jackal - yes Fab4 got many assists from freekicks and the like, but Hleb played as the link man between attack and midfield for huge chunks of the early part of last season, still he couldn't rack up assists, is a paltry 8 assists in over 42 games good enough? NO while Walcott playing fewer games still managed 5 assists and scored 7 goals.
Hleb was good to watch but in the end not productive enough, simple.
All this Anderson/Cesc stories have been rehashed enough, we will never agree.
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Hannibal
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You're making excuses Jackal - yes Fab4 got many assists from freekicks and the like, but Hleb played as the link man between attack and midfield for huge chunks of the early part of last season, still he couldn't rack up assists, is a paltry 8 assists in over 42 games good enough? NO while Walcott playing fewer games still managed 5 assists and scored 7 goals.
Hleb was good to watch but in the end not productive enough, simple.
All this Anderson/Cesc stories have been rehashed enough, we will never agree.
Debosky, lets get something straight here. . . . . . . Number of assists depends on the player SCORING from it. If Hleb makes subliminal countless passes into the box and u have a dork like Adebayor as striker. . . . The efforts would be fruitless. . . . It becomes an ASSIST only when someone SCORES from it. . . . The fact that strikers don't score from Hleb's assists does not make em less quality/wack. Anderson/Cesc comparison has been suspended till next season. . . . .as your MUTTship pleases. |
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debosky (m)
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Debosky, lets get something straight here. . . . . . . It becomes an ASSIST only when someone SCORES from it. . . . The fact that strikers don't score from Hleb's assists does not make em less quality/wack. Anderson/Cesc comparison has been suspended till next season. . . . .as your MUTTship pleases. Like I said unless you/Hleb are claiming that strikers selectively choose to score from Cesc's passes rather than Hleb's, then you have no point. Ade misses the same proportion of chances from everyone's passes, thus the number of assists should be roughly in the same ball park. What subliminal passes does he make? He can do quick triangular passing outside the box, but how many does he put in the box? very fewHe is unproductive - Rozzi played 24 games, scores 7 and 2 assists, Hleb is not good enough. |
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Hannibal
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@ Debosky, The set-pieces tip the balance . . . . . . I can picture over 10 goals Fab4 scored via corner-kicks last season. He drops em in the box and either Gallas, Bendtner or whoever just nicks the ball into the net. Unfortunately for Hleb, all these stats count towards Fab4. . . . . Hleb is a very clever player. . . . . It is almost impossible to nick the ball away from him. He only loses possession if he is fouled and the MAN IN BLACK decides not to give a free-kick. Hleb needs to play with strikers like Torres, Huntelaar or Berbatov. . . . Adebayor didn't really help Hleb's career. Are u aware 90% of Hleb's "would-be assists" never came to pass because Adebayor couldn't time his run properly?? Ade was caught 70 times OFFSIDE last season. . . . . .90% of those passes were from HLEB. |
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debosky (m)
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Correction - he was caught offside 66 times, and most of the passes were from Cesc Hleb dilly dallies so often with the ball that there is no time for a fast break, the fast breaks came by and large from Cesc and those are the ones that caught that ninny offside most of the time. Hleb usually wastes time till its almost impossible to use the opportunity to score. He is clever no doubt, but not very productive unless the sole goal of the game is 'keep ball' - even then he loses it stupidly and costs goals in the moments where he loses concentration. If he is so good why is MU or Liverpool or Chelski not interested? |
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Hannibal
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U need to be flogged!!! 66 is closer to 70 than 60. Hleb dilly-dallies because he expects opponents to rush towards him so punks like Ade/RVP can have all the space they need to score. Tell me the pass he supplied to Cesc at Anfield in the league wasn't text book. . . .Surrounded by 5 players, he found Cesc!!! Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool won't do that kind of business. We have got Nani, Ronaldo, Giggsy, Fletcher , Hargo and Ando fighting for that role already. Hleb can't FIT in. Seriously, he is one player Arsenal cannot afford to LOSE. He is by far Arsenal's most intelligent player. . . . Scoring goals is not the ALPHA/OMEGA of a good player. |
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debosky (m)
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If he is that good, then he can surely fit in. . . my theory again holds - clubs like Barca, Inter and co wanted Hleb when it was apparent he would buy out his contract and they would be getting an above average player for like 3million quid; but when that did not happen and they actually have to pay 10-13m to get him, they all suddenly get cold feet. Why? because deep in their guts, they all KNOW Hleb isn't that good; they may be willing to gamble with 3m, but not more than that We can very much afford to lose Hleb in my view - it allows Nasri to fit directly into the side and start his integration immediately, while (fingers crossed) Rozzi gets back to his best on the other wing with Ramsey being the understudy and Walcott and Vela interchange between attacking and winger roles - a fluid and unpredictable attacking machine. |
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Hannibal
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If he is that good, then he can surely fit in. . . my theory again holds - clubs like Barca, Inter and co wanted Hleb when it was apparent he would buy out his contract and they would be getting an above average player for like 3million quid; but when that did not happen and they actually have to pay 10-13m to get him, they all suddenly get cold feet. Why? because deep in their guts, they all KNOW Hleb isn't that good; they may be willing to gamble with 3m, but not more than that
One thing i like about u Gaynners is your INABILITY to learn from past mistakes. Since u sold Paddy Vieira, Henry and Pires . . . .What have u won as a club? Ma counter says: ZILCH. If u sell Hleb now. . . . . .What makes u think Nasri would be up and running immediately. . . . It might take him 3 seasons. Arsenal CANNOT afford to lose any player. . . . Wenger should endeavour to keep that team and add more bodies. New players may take a long while to gel completely(Every player cannot be a Sagna). Theo Walcott bought 2 years ago is still struggling to find his feet. Keep We can very much afford to lose Hleb in my view - it allows Nasri to fit directly into the side and start his integration immediately, while (fingers crossed) Rozzi gets back to his best on the other wing with Ramsey being the understudy and Walcott and Vela interchange between attacking and winger roles - a fluid and unpredictable attacking machine. Ramsey, Vela, Nasri, Walcott. . . . . All these players are unproven and untested. Arsenal fans can only HOPE they come good. . . . .There's no guarantee they would. Nuthing has changed in Arsenal and i won't be surprised if your TROPHYLESS DVD enters the 4th season. |
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ASL33
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Has the DVD gone on sale? HMV or VIRGIN Jackal please info me asap. |
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manu4laif
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@Debo, After Flamingo you guys cannot afford to lose anyone(if you mustn't). It's taken 3 long seasons for Arsenal to mount its most serious challenge and even then the side still looked somehow deficient. Any further pillaging might do your cause no good. Just see how long it took Flamini,Adebayor,Clichy,Senderrors(ooops ma bad). Am sure you get my drift. Consolidate not Sustitute. WAN UNITED |
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Hannibal
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Has the DVD gone on sale? HMV or VIRGIN Jackal please info me asap.
The movie is being made as we speak. DVD would be launched MAY 2009 but u can preorder it now. . . . It's only £29.99 per copy. @ manu4laif, Please tell em. |
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A-40 (m)
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Vieira,Pires and Henry where winners the same cannot be said for the likes of Hleb and Ade who have been saying all type of ridiculous stuff even though i don't blame those players to some extent because Wenger has not shown enough seriousness to indicate that he is tired of losing i guess thats why some of them want to leave we could use more bodies i agree our lack of depth was what hurt us last season
Ramsey,Vela,Nasri hmm it would be rather naive for Arsene to place all his hopes on those young chaps
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debosky (m)
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@ manu
I feel you bro, but what is the point of keeping a player with avowed dislike for the manager's tactics? If he is that uninterested, then he surely has to go - a rotten egg in camp will corrupt others too. Flamini left, and rightly so in my view, since he wasn't passionate enough to stay and wanted a different challenge, fair enough. Now Hleb and Ade cannot hold us to ransom- we know we need to keep the core of the squad together, but if the player wants out, let him out.
Sometimes you need to remove some bad eggs to let the omelette sizzle - throw out the cubic zirconia that flatters to deceive (aka Hleb) and allow the real diamond in the rough to become polished jewels.
I keep repeating to you guys - it was the dismantling of the unbeaten generation first, and the move to the emirates second that caused the probs of two seasons before the last - last season has been the closest replica of what Arsenal truly is since 2005 and is poised to continue this year - with or without Hleb/Ade.
We lost Lauren, Campbell and Ali 'are you'diere and a couple of others over the last seasons and we have steadily improved. We can get better even if we lose players. We will consolidate in the right areas and firm up in others as necessary.
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manu4laif
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@Debo, I understand your plight. I do not advocate begging a player to stay . No player is bigger than any club(except maybe Maradona at Napoli ) However do you think Arsenal has done ENOUGH to keep by far their best performer last term. Compare to United's near recalcitrant posture on Ronaldo. If Adebayor can score 30 goals in his first season without operating under the shadow of vavavoom, why should you readily dismiss it as ehen so what? 30 goals by any standard is solid. How many strikers in the history of the premiership are in that elite group. Beware , maintain your pride but act wisely. WAN UNITED |
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A-40 (m)
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With the statement Ade made most managers would kick him out of their club he had one good season so we should lay down and listen to every of his demand.Torres scored 33 goals in his debut season and we are not hearing him talking ish
@manu4laif
Ronaldo has not come out to say the rubbish that Ade has been saying and if he did with what he has won so far you can't say he does not deserve a right to the same cannot be said for Adebayor
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manu4laif
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@A-40, Guess what ? Ronaldo when asked about the implications of his Real dreams was quoted as saying he does not mind HURTING anyone that he MUST speak his mind Wes Brown sometime mid season started making his own demands. Eventually he stayed. I was one of those who insisted we should do ALL in our power to make him stay. Fair is fair 30k is shit and any player is bound to get pissed at being "cheated". Barton, Obafemi, Owen, etc earn more than him. Yet he plays for Arsenal and has delivered even if you won nothing. He DID his job. Point. Understand the motivations and let it be that ARSENAL HAS TRIED ITS BEST TO KEEP ADEBAYOR BUT ADEBAYOR IS TIRED OF ARSENAL. For now I don't think that has happened. WAN UNITED |
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debosky (m)
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I think AW is doing what he can to make Ade stay and is playing hardball - obviously le boss was pissed at Hleb's ice cream saga with Inter last season and threatened to report to FIFA. I believe he wanted them both to stay initially, but there is a limit you can do if you want to protect your philosophy and vision and not ruin your own work - Fergie didn't offer more money to entice Brown, the boy simply thought about it and decided to stay.
I do believe we have tried to do as much as possible to make them stay, but in the end, if they want to go, I won't cry. Ade still loves Arsenal I'm sure, but the noise around his head is getting to him; hopefully he shows up for preseason warm ups and gets some sense talked into his head. He's good alright, but would never be on the radars of them clubs if AW did not stand by him. We will try to keep him as P diddy H-W said, but not with beyond reasonable measures.
His deal has been reviewed twice in two years, how often does that happen? If that isn't desire to keep the player, I don't know what is.
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