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RSA (m)
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@Eaz
From this post I gather that you are a wonderful person like many other Nigerians I know,I am not comparing Nigeria to South Africa and have said this before in some of my posts.But the biggest problem/missunderstanding is some Nigerians feels that because their government donated money to some political people we are indebted to them.
South Africa is a recovering nation,people are trying to find themself after many years of unselfishly giving away their time and lives for the greater course.Africa must understand our situation its different from the rest of ya' all,Family where broken,souls where tortured,trust was non existing.
Now national pride is promoted,people are trying to build trust in each other,we have to trust ourself before we can try to trust an outsider.
Whites where using our fathers as slaves paying them almost nothing to build infrastructures that we are boasting about today,even in this new south Africa where there is a labour laws and constitutional rights some white still want people to work for peanuts and that is where Zimbabweans and Mozambican come in(because they are desperate and this create mistrust or xenophobia). a typical south African will take this as an insult,they fought against this kind of treatment and you call them lazy?.
The problem is Africans are not interested in knowing South Africans problems,all they want is getting something out of it cause they did some thing in the past now its pay back time.South Africans are not hassling because that is not ttheir priority at this moment but that does not mean they cant do it.I am sure that if South Africans where Nigerians living in Nigeria they will have that instinct as well,its called survival instinct,it kicked in when all hope from authorities is gone.
I am a father as well of two boys,and I would want them to be citezens of global community,to learn to be tolerant but at the same time to be proud bout who they are,to have selfbelief and confidence.
Regarding visiting Nigeria,I wasin Lagos two months ago on business(conference) although we didnt have time to go around since we where there for only two days I was very impressed by some of your infrustructres our hotel was top class,esspecially after reading all this horibble stories from Nigerians right here on nairaland ,I was expecting some bad,unruly,dirt everywhere but I was pleasantly suprised.And I can proudly say it felt like home.
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faoni572 (m)
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@RSA, it now you talk maturely, Mpele started it all, why must he be posting negative things about Nigeria everytime as if South Africa has no problems of her own. Every country in this world has her own problems even the so-called developed countries. Mpele has never posted any positive things about Nigeria. Nobody can tell me that everything about Nigeria is bad, we have our own good side too. Mpele should just desist from his bad postings.
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JustGood (m)
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Dear Mpele, Thendo & RSA,
When I read your posts, I was really tempted to lash out at all you guys had been posting. The reason I did not is because of the fact that there was really no need for that. Someone has already posted about the alarming crime rates in your country. Another the effect of HIV on your people and yet another the hopelessness you encounter in the townships in South Africa.
My family and I happened to be in SA at the height of the xenophobic attacks and witnessed it first hand. We were rather fortunate to have booked Cape Town before Johannesburg. We were in Cape town when JBRG was on fire, then came back to JBRG by the time the madness got to Cape Town.
In Cape town, we visted the townships of Langa and Kayletshia(pardon my spelling). The thing that struck me in those places was the level of alcohol consumption. My people by 9am in the morning, people were in a state of stupor. As Naija bad reach, people are not just drunk by that time of the day; not even jobless people. I had never seen such a large congregation of jobless and hopeless people. We have poor people in Naija, but we have poor struggling to break even people. At least beggers now sell pure water in traffic jams. In SA, the poor are so lazy and hopeless. They complain about the government the whole day over bottles of alcohol. Chei! In the townships, na foreigners get all the businesses there. That was why they burnt and looted all their shops. From hair dressing to barbing salon,to construction workers to groceries, everything belongs to foreigners.
Another thing that was evident and even confirmed by the tour guide, who happened to have grown up in Langa, was the fact that crimes of jealousy was really high. In Nigeria, if your friend in your neighbourhood makes it in life, we celebrate the person, we do not rob the person or set his house or new car on fire.
I personally experienced this when I walked from the Cape town convention centre to the Green Market Square. I was putting on a brand new pair of shoes. I forgot that I did not peeled the paper under the shoes that indicates the shoe size, etc. and the thing was visible under the shoe because its high heeled. I get to Green Market and the girls call me to buy some wares from them. I smile at them and politely says no. The first one goes you've got your shoe label sticking out before I could say thank you, the second one clicks her tounge the xhosa way and snickers " She's showing off. She wants us to know she's got brand new shoes." My people na so SA people jealousy reach o! Their people in those townships; when fortune smiles on them, forgets the townships and moves into the city.
Another thing I gathered from my trip was the feeling of insecurity among SA people. The whites do not know what will happen to them when Nelson Mandela dies. This was the view of a 54 year old white taxi driver we met there. He confessed that the Zulus are not as peaceful as the Xhosas that populate the Western cape which incidentally is the birth place of the Madiba himself. He made us to understand that beneath the all the facade of unity in diversity between the coloureds, black and white, there could be a civil war when Mandela dies because he feels everyone still respects his opinion now that he is still alive.
Another issue was the high rate of addictive drugs usage in SA. They blame this on Nigerians. A taxi lady told us that a lot of Nigerians sell drugs to their children even on credit and then seek to collect their money by any means. We told her that in Nigeria, even if you hawk the drugs in broad day light, no body will buy it from you because people never hustle to eat , buy new car, build house, marry, achieve different goals finish, na to come buy drugs come be their problem. Personally, I believe SA parents are not up to the task of training their children. Because the have free house, cheap food, light and water they believe that all is well. Average Naija man that you dash those kind of one room resettlement houses in kayletshia will never be contented with it. That is it. Simple. we believe we can always do better.
That is why a Nigerian migrant will get to a city learn the language, marry their daughters, and try to get the best of jobs or education possible there. It is the 100% Naija spirit. It is the spirit that can stay for a whole week without light and still make the most of it. Study in the worst conditions and still graduate as the best student.
The Spirit that keeps on keeping on.
My SA Brothers, that is the Spirit of Nelson Mandela. A man that never gave up despite all he encountered. That is the spirit you guys have failed to imbibe. You have mouth to come to Nairaland to insult the people that contributed their lunch money to the ANC so that you can live in a free South Africa. The people that educated your brothers and sisters in the best of schools in Nigeria and even outside the country so that when the apartheid battle is won, there will be educated black South Africans to take over from the white man.
We were at Robben Island, the prison where Nelson Mandela was incarcerated. Not once was Nigeria mentioned among the countries that assisted the ANC in the times of tribulation. Not once! We as proper Naija took it up with our guide, who was in jail when school children in Naija was singing free Mandela. And he could not even give a solid reason.
The problem of some SA citizens is that of an lazy and ungrateful spirit. When Mandela was released one of the first countries he visited after all the super powers, was Nigeria. In Naija, he toured many cities to thank the millions of Nigerians who prayed and did all they could so that SA would be free. That is the spirit you guys should emulate. That is why Mandela would continue to be one of the greatest men to have walked the earth. He could look at his tormentors and say I forgive you.
But before I type a book here, may I ask, how old are you guys? I think you guys are probably youngsters born after the apartheid struggle. Visit the Mandela museum at Cape Town, you could learn one or two things there that could give you some sense of maturity. You guys need to grow up. The battle in this life ends when the breath of life is taken away from your body. When your soul goes to meet your creator, He will not judge or reward you because you come from a geographical location called South Africa. He will judge you based on your relationship with your fellow man.
That is the most important thing in life. Unconditional Love. Learn to love. I really love this and it has got me thinking again |
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JustGood (m)
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Black South Africans are trying to live like the white people. But they don't have the privileges that white people have almost everywhere in the world and they don't seem to realise this yet.
When jobless people get drunk early in the morning, it's a white people thing (in my opinion) and a black man has no business being that way. I think black south africans have imbibed too much of what the white man does and this has been to their detriment. Their parental ways are patterned after the white man's; their moral attitude and moral tendencies are patterned after the white man's.
However when push comes to shove, white people will also survive because they will prefer themselves over a black man and they tend to control many things in this world.
This is the same thing destroying black communities in London and the UK in general. many black people are trying to copy the european ways and these ways are not good for them and their future generation. A black child who fails in school and does not have a sound education is very likely to have a hard life and his life will be much harder than that of white contemporary who goes through exactly the same educational journey. It's just the way things are.
Black people all over the world need to wake up to realise that they are doing themselves a disservice whenever they try to do things like white people do things. White people have structured things, either by design or by accident, such that it favours them and does not favour the black man that much.
Inner city london - black parents forget how their parents brought them up and they allow their children to live the so-called free, independent and arrogant lives of white people - no correction because it makes the child unhappy, buy him the latest designers even if you have to get into debt, always give him what he wants and allow him/her to have the freedom to hang around with his teenage pals idly on street corners etc. When they grow up, they find out that their lives are completely different from their white counterparts - too late by then.
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bugsyK (f)
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[color=#006600]Definitely (SA is a life created by the whites which) the Blacks still in the reverie of
their poor mind sets have refused to cultivate the thinking of success.
Having all that good life and still nursing issues!
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tpia
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@ RSA: I do hope you're not displaying signs of a multiple personality disorder.
Didnt you jump on Mpele's bandwagon right here on this thread?
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RSA (m)
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Typia @ RSA: I do hope you're not displaying signs of a multiple personality disorder.
Didnt you jump on Mpele's bandwagon right here on this thread?
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RSA (m)
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@ RSA: I do hope you're not displaying signs of a multiple personality disorder.
Didn't you jump on Mpele's bandwagon right here on this thread?
Yeah I have seconded Mpele on many occasions especially when you guys attach us black South Africans,In most cases we are attacked first,and Mpele being the articulate writer he is he defend himself and his country,its only natural. Typia I remember my first posting on this forum,it was after the xenophobia's violence I was trying to explain the situation and apologise,it was and innocent post which i thought Nigerians will take time to read and ask questions.But you guys where not interested you attacked me as if i was part of the killings and i was condonning it. But that does not mean i will back Mpele or any south african on everything,we all have different views. |
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tpia
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Yeah I have seconded Mpele on many occasions especially when you guys attach us black South Africans,In most cases we are attacked first,and Mpele being the articulate writer he is he defend himself and his country,its only natural.
Typia I remember my first posting on this forum,it was after the xenophobia's violence I was trying to explain the situation and apologise,it was and innocent post which i thought Nigerians will take time to read and ask questions.But you guys where not interested you attacked me as if i was part of the killings and i was condonning it.This f
 so that explains this post of yours: Thendo(aren't you suppose to be thando?) anyway stop being silly,South African are not backside licking people,this people(Nigerians) think they are the only true Africans,they have no respect for fellow Africans,they are hated by all Africans from Cairo to Cape(they say we are jealous of them ) and the rest of the world.They come from the country that is lawless,where even dogs are hustling and yet think their country is the giant of Africa.They have insulted us South Africa(blacks) everytime they get a chance yet we are not in the same league.They die in small boats trying to flee their stinking backside country.They wish they could be us,they say we are lazy yet go to Hillbrow anytime of a day or night you will find them in the corners in groups doing nothing except screaming to each other,harassing our sisters when they pass or asking you if you want to do business(meaning you want to buy stolen goods or drugs?)
Please Thendo apologise to Mpele,he does not deserve your insults. You'D better give it a rest. All you and Mpele are showing on this forum, is the nature of South African blacks. Unfortunately, you're making the attitude of the South African whites, rather easier to understand. Very unfortunate. |
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RSA (m)
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Moderator is Mpele banned,he has not posted anything today,it will be sad  if you'v banned him.This will proof one and for all that Nigerians don't want to be challenged. You know people like me and Mpele unites you guys,we make you realise how much you have incommon as Nigerians.Whether you're from Kaduna or Aba you're all Nigerians and must make it work.Critisising you can only make you wiser and stronger,imagine a Nigeria where everybody plays a meaningful and contructive role in your country,Imagine all the graduates who most have been funded by state take action to put the country first by staying in the country and developing it from within,Imagine people standing against a corrupt goverment and even laying their life for it. Where the goverment work for its people, Yes i and other people will continue critisising your country and her people as long as those people are arrogant,loud and think they are the most advance black nation in the whereas thier country is crumbling.People fix Nigeria,so that we can all follow,lead us don't just talk. |
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KarmaMod (f)
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How about you people fix SA instead of relying on your white masters then MAYBE we'll take your silly rants seriously.
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RSA (m)
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How about you people fix SA instead of relying on your white masters then MAYBE we'll take your silly rants seriously.
My sista we are doing just that,obviuosly we have major problems like being a country with the top crime rate in the world and highest level of hiv positive in the world.We know our problems and acknowledge them,this will help us find solutions and i am hopeful that solutions will be found. White masters are not fixing anything in south africa,they are not a goverment.And beside this White master crap is soo old and boring and doesn't make sense. |
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KarmaMod (f)
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yes it does make sense because without them SA would be a complete jungle.
what makes you think we Nigerians arent aware of our issues. Unless you are blind, you'D see we are VERY much aware and in our little way doing wjhat we can. What we DONT need is people who are considered to be subhumans in their own countries telling us what we need to do
In other words, mind your backyard before whining about ours.
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RSA (m)
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In other words, mind your backyard before whining about ours.
I apologise,just a personal question why did you put brazilian flag on your profile? Just curious. |
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davidylan (m)
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RSA says this - South Africa is only fifteen years old
that is a lie. post-apartheid SA is only 15 yrs but SA is way older than that. I can understand your unwillingness to remember the dark old days when you were considered less than human in your own country.
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bugsyK (f)
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@RSA Hey, get real & act mature, bickering about what others think & what comments they make doesn't still change the fact that you guys obviously have got things all wrong. The mind is such a beautiful thing to waste. After the attacks have the white people changed their opinions about their fellow black S/African brothers? Doesn't it prove that it is only a sign of inferiority complex. I think you must start a crusade to develop the youth in your country. Someday again they will come out to say that some fellow black S/African is blacker than the rest of them lots Get xenophobic on your people's present mindset and create a "Randland" site where you can all come together to change the real RSA for good. Good luck my friend. |
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RSA (m)
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RSA says this - South Africa is only fifteen years old
that is a lie. post-apartheid SA is only 15 years but SA is way older than that. I can understand your unwillingness to remember the dark old days when you were considered less than human in your own country.
South Africa that belong to all is only 14years just to be precise.Yes nobody want to remember the dark days but it is part of our history although I was never a citizen in that country because of my skin colour.That is why today South Africans will do anything to protect thier country with pride.I started voting in 1994 and thats when i took over ownership of my country. While we are still on countries years tell me,How old is Nigeria? |
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RSA (m)
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@RSA Hey, get real & act mature, bickering about what others think & what comments they make doesn't still change the fact that you guys obviously have got things all wrong. The mind is such a beautiful thing to waste. After the attacks have the white people changed their opinions about their fellow black S/African brothers? Doesn't it prove that it is only a sign of inferiority complex. I think you must start a crusade to develop the youth in your country. Someday again they will come out to say that some fellow black S/African is blacker than the rest of them lots Get xenophobic on your people's present mindset and create a "Randland" site where you can all come together to change the real RSA for good. Good luck my friend. Thank you for the advise.but we have too many SA sites and beside South Africans are not as emotional as Nigerians, our forums are boring.So I will stick to nairaland thank you.I like it here.You people are my people. |
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RibaduFan (m)
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RSA
your last post was very touching, u re very much welcome in Nairaland
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KarmaMod (f)
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Im going to Brazil in the summer  Thank you for the advise.but we have too many SA sites and beside South Africans are not as emotional as Nigerians, our forums are boring.So I will stick to nairaland thank you.I like it here.You people are my people.
Cos we care about our country, that's why we're emotional and if we are "your people" then you wouldnt expect us to sit and watch as your idiotic friend Mpele insults us. Until you guys fix your side, we dont wanna hear anything from your side. Simple. |
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tpia
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Thank you for the advise.but we have too many SA sites and beside South Africans are not as emotional as Nigerians,
our forums are boring.So I will stick to nairaland thank you.I like it here.You people are my people.
@ bolded- I don talk am na. Nigerians are too accomodating, I swear.  you also forgot to mention the SA whites are on you peoples' tails like a mongoose on a snake. |
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KarmaMod (f)
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@ bolded- I don talk am na. Nigerians are too accomodating, I swear. Seriously. |
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davidylan (m)
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you also forgot to mention the SA whites are on you peoples' tails like a mongoose on a snake.
i think that is the real issue. Most SA forums are problably all white. |
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faoni572 (m)
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RSA, you are welcome but Mpele is not yet welcome
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auwal87 (m)
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Good Development
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Angelheart
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Ahoy to Mpele!! O kae yena???
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savanaha
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Mpele is a warp minded lunatic and I suspect that RSA and Mpele are the same people pretending to be different. One plays bad idiot all the time and the other plays good idiot sometimes.
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KarmaMod (f)
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lol wouldnt surprise me if they are one and the same
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RSA (m)
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Ahoy to Mpele!! O kae yena???
Ke nagana gore ba mo banne(banned).Ka gore ga sa kwala. Mpele is a warp minded lunatic and I suspect that RSA and Mpele are the same people pretending to be different. One plays bad idiot all the time and the other plays good idiot sometimes.
 , the big question,is Mpele and RSA one and the same people? Definetly No Iam not Mpele,I dont even know Mpele,I wish I was cause that boy is damn intelligent that is why some of you think he is white  But it look like you've won ,cause he's not responding or he is banned.But as South Africans who leave in the civilised and the most democratic country in Africa where freedom of speech is promoted we also know that in countries like Nigeria freedom of speech is not tolerated,you could be stoned to death if you speak your mind,people have what NUZO reffered to as a blind patriotism,you defend everything Nigeria even if its bad,because you love your country. Seriously.
But Nigerians are accomodated everywhere in the world even afghanistan,and you think Iam lucky to be on Nairaland? |
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bebe2007 (m)
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When d great man was spendin 27yrs in jail they didnot guard against Nigerians intervention against apartheid.
Small boi dont disrespect where your father;s allegiance tilt 2.
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KarmaMod (f)
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Ke nagana gore ba mo banne(banned).Ka gore ga sa kwala. , the big question,is Mpele and RSA one and the same people? Definetly No Iam not Mpele,I don't even know Mpele,I wish I was cause that boy is damn intelligent that is why some of you think he is white No one thinks he's white. We all know he's a selfhating Kaffir. and for you to wish to be like Mpele says alot. |
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congoshine (m)
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a huge problem facing Ireland in the coming years, as these dirty loud mouthed rude , no manners nigerians get a strangle hold on the jobs market within Ireland you'll see them worming their way into jobs within places like banks, post offices, local authority, airports, government departments,politics, places where they can easily carry out their fraudulent behavior and believe me they will look after their own(with a little backhander) and of course it won't be on their ability to get the job , they'll use the old famous get out of jail race card to get their own way, these people are parasites, cockroaches, out of all the cultures i've never met a race of people who are so downright silly, lazy,exempt of all commonsence, a race where everyone of them have huge chips on their lazy shoulders, the attitude of, you Irish welcome us, you intergrate with us not the other way around, I very much fear for my country the day we opened our borders to these parasites http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/nigerian-aims-take-power-irish-515307.htmlYou are a silly FOOL ! What nerve you have ?! Coming to a Nigerian forum and talking dust ! Since you and your HIV devastated country men have no sense at all(a very good example Zuma,your next president), we'll take not only your jobs but your women  |
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