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NINETOFIVE (m)
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THIS THREAD SUCKS, I SO FXCKING HATE IT.
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superman (m)
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this is not about poorly constructed sentences! i hope! i think it is about who is gulity and who is not if im allowed to say! shuold anyone or someone need japanise translator please please feel free to prompt me !
take it leave it white man is bloody gulity as we all know! no need to dig deep down to prove my point but nevertheless i might be forced to transcend !
but them in retrospect going by some emm i think clever argument going on here, i guess some people just recognised their evil gulity master atrocities committed in bloody day light they some how try to exonerate their evil master by sayin if it was black peoiple in control at the time they would have done the same! very clever argument this is. hmmm your argument kind of sound deft nevertheless your white man is bloody gulity ! whether u like it or not. to whom it may concern! whoever that implies. all this utterance in here is nothing compare to your evil slave master and u know it as much as u try to repudiate this superman s position
now listen im not here to eulogise hope you are with me! yes. what u are seeing is what u will continue to see till u die u with me ha.if u need a japanise translator please do let me know. any attack on my grammar is something we all know superman can abrogate with! u fool. very clever or shall i say some moron and lunatic human beings raoming around in here !
history has always show white man got massive aptittude to be a racist humanbeing ! they have come to know that emm 4get slavery now that racism can be perpetuate in a clever way i mean in the 21st century.Pervaricating and equivocating will not in any way fool this superman shuld this is the next agenda for real. this superman know shuold i have to be the next emm Human resources secretary in IBM Usa i wouldnt be surprised with the barrage that would swing up overnight! now i hope u remember this is 21century not 1239 dc. u can't fool me u know! with this power i got in IBM i m still coming to term with racism! oh god still inclined to subjucation with the little power i got! it looks like white people got racist gene in their blood cell now . i lie emm ,
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Drusilla (f)
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This would be long after the distortion of European Culture in Japan. I need examples before the distortion or things fell apart.
Before what distortion exactly? Do you have any idea how the japanese perceived the Koreans before Europeans entered the stage? How much influence did European Culture have one Japan really before WWII. The influence was limited to technology and military organisation; It didn't go much further than that. Before the distortion of European Culture in Japan. This isolation lasted for 200 years, until Commodore Matthew Perry of the U.S. Navy forced the opening of Japan to the West with the Convention of Kanagawa in 1854. Within several years, renewed contact with the West profoundly altered Japanese society. The shogunate was forced to resign, and the emperor was restored to power. The "Meiji restoration" of 1868 initiated many reforms. The feudal system was abolished, and numerous Western institutions were adopted, including a Western legal system and constitutional government along quasi-parliamentary lines. In 1898, the last of the "unequal treaties" with Western powers was removed, signaling Japan's new status among the nations of the world. In a few decades, by creating modern social, educational, economic, military, and industrial systems, the Emperor Meiji's "controlled revolution" had transformed a feudal and isolated state into a world power. http://www.umich.edu/~iinet/journal/vol9no1/em.html European Culture reorganized the Japanese society before WW2. The reason in 1898 the Japanese were finally respected is because they colonized some near by Islands in 1898 and began Colonization of Korea, some 5 years later. In otherwords, there were rewards for them acting white enough to be horrible to other nations. You see the above that their civilization was stripped from them and replaced with European civilization. This is the distortion. It happenned before Japan colonized Korea. In fact the Japanese had been isolated for 200 years. They had shut their doors and were not bothering nobody. In fact history shows that it was the Japanese first venture into colonialism of their neighbors that finally made the white world realize they were worthy of respect. This history shows a distortion.
Indeed, how many divisions does the Pope command? The Japanese colonialism was just as much a manifest destiny as the Europeans carried their white man's burden. Why exactly is this relevant? My point about there being white distortion in Japan. i.e. the racist European Culture was transferred to the Japanese when ", the West profoundly altered Japanese society, ", as it says above before they did that to the Koreans. I need historical proofs of racism before European (proper) interference into the colored cultures of the world and the subsequent distortion.
Does the Chinese colonisation of what is now Vietnam suffice? Genocide and all? or is that too long ago? It depends, let's see it. |
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toshmann (m)
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@drusilla,
1. are you tryiny to tell me that blacks did not sell slaves to the white man throughout the slave trade era? blacks did sell slaves to whites. there were black slave dealers too. get that. i'm not contesting what the white man did. we all read that in nigerians schools. we all know. all I said is that the black man also sold his brethren. get it. even in some villages in the east ern part of nigeria, there were stories of people selling stubborn children away. imagine. that really happened.
2. and 7. if the white man planted a policy of hate (and should be blamed) is it proper to completely exonerate the black africans who kill themselves in hatred. hitler may be blamed for the holocaust but that did not exonerate the associates who took part in the killings. whatever we have suffered as a nation from british rule may have laid strong foudations for socio-political instability and economic degradation in nigeria but that does not exonerate people like abacha who looted the nation. it makes no excuse for the brutal murder of funso. so if the white man did evil to us we just keep up the evil? no. whatever the policy of hate that was planted in rwanda can not, and can never explain to me, in acceptable terms the horrendous murder of almost a million tutsis and many hutus in three months by the interhamwe militia . mba. i disagree. it's like this, a child who is sent away unjustly from school now goes home to bully his younger ones and you want to blame the teacher for that bullying and completely exonerate the child who was the direct bully? mba. the teacher may take some blame, but the child is the bully. period.
3. and 4. dunno if u are trying to tell of the injustice to the black man. if so, i wanna let u know that i already know the injustice suffered by blacks up till today. but don't forget what this thread is about. it's not whether the white man is racist. to the best of my knowledge the white man remains the one with the most horrendous history of inflicting pain to his fellow man and up till today many of them still have that trait. that's why i don't admire them. but, i love the truth. and the truth is, the white man may have terrible traits of hatred for others, but they are not alone in such traits. this thread is about if other races are or have been racist at some point. and my answer is yes. and that is the truth.
8.,9.,and 10. apologies accepted wholeheartedly. but i do hope this debate continues in a more civilised way.
thank you
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nferyn (m)
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European Culture reorganized the Japanese society before WW2. The reason in 1898 the Japanese were finally respected is because they colonized some near by Islands in 1898 and began Colonization of Korea, some 5 years later.
Japan incorporated some aspects of Western societies, aspects that are hardly uniquely European (although some European apologists would claim exactly that). The idea that the whole concept of democracy is European in origin is a fable. The traditional societal organisation in Igboland was far mor democratic than western representative democracy, especially the Anglo-saxom variant. The main element in the rise of Japans was precisely that they adopted more efficient ways of organisations from the western powers, while strongly guarding the integrity of their culture. Japanese racist attitudes towards Korean predated the colonisation of Korea by a wide margin. In otherwords, there were rewards for them acting white enough to be horrible to other nations.
Acting white? How? What does acting white have to do with colonisation and subjugation. Were the Chinese acting white when subjugating Vietnam? You see the above that their civilization was stripped from them and replaced with European civilization. This is the distortion. Complete utter nonsense. Japanese civilisation was never replaced with European civilisation. It happenned before Japan colonized Korea. It never happened at all. In fact the Japanese had been isolated for 200 years. They had shut their doors and were not bothering nobody. And when the need arose their culture evolved and adapted to the changed circumstances. Never was their culture replaced by European culture. The Japanese superiority complex is far older than European involvement. My point about there being white distortion in Japan. i.e. the racist European Culture was transferred to the Japanese when ", the West profoundly altered Japanese society, ", as it says above before they did that to the Koreans.
Not in the way you make it look like. Can you provide sources to the European origin of Japanese racist thought and that racism only started in Japan after contact with the European? I guess you cannot because that's not the source of their racism. It depends, let's see it.
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Drusilla (f)
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toshman,
What I am trying to tell you is the truth:
The whiteman was buying Black Africans from Arabs in North Africa. He did not like this situtation. He decided to explore for himself. He found west Africa. He cut the Arab out and began kidnapping slaves for himself. The whiteman SOLD slaves to AFRICANS. After decades and centuries of the whiteman in their mist, Africans of course learned the business.
2 & 7. The argument is this. Are Black people just pathological animals, who murder their own, in some childish ancient tribal blood feuds? The answer is No. What you see in Africa, is a result of their history. Yes the blacks did it but it does not come from some evil within them, it comes from their history.
3. and 4. Of course Black people can hate others, that goes without saying. What you have to prove that it was racism. i.e. on the basis of feeling superior due to their skin color.
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Drusilla (f)
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I'll get back to you on that with a detailed analysis. Thank you. |
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zebudaya (m)
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So are all forms of racial oppression. The main driver behind the trans-atlantic slave trade and slavery was not some inate hate for Africans, it was the search for profit and the opportunity to exploit. The racist superstructure is a rationalisation of that exploitation. As it leeches on our inate ethnocentrism, it has become so pervasive that it endures, even after it's economic utility has long worn out. Racism is a very powerful meme, almost as powerful as religion. nferyn you make sense however If racism is just innate ethnocentrism how come they let the irish, and italian immigrants come into the country and blend in. Asians even though they look different have blended in to an extent, but the Black man keeps being harasssed in his own homeland. They are working on passing rules that would make illegal mexicans legal. How come the Haitians, Jamaicans can't have the same right? I think its Intense hatred and Intense fear coupled with ethnocentrism. The worst thing about it is that Immigrants from other countries have been taught to fear and mistrust the black man. The korean lady thinks we are going to steal her purse, so does the arab woman. You know how this was achieved. The "cultivation effect". If a white/arab/chinese guy commits a petty crime it does not make headline news, but a black guy it's on CNN. How come we don't see Koreans/arabs/indians in prison dramas or films don't they commit crimes? instead you always see a bunch of black guys lifting weights and talking about keeping it real in the hood. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Zebudaya,
You are on to something. There is something different about being Black.
How can white be GOD of this world, if black is not the DEVIL of this world?
It is deeper than economics, it is deeper than religion.
Dr. Frances Cress Welsing wrote an excellent book about the psychology of Colors in this world: The Isis papers.
She puts forth the theory that because whites are the descendants of African Albino's and were rejected because of their genetic mutation, that this rejection is part of their core psychological being.
In essence she is saying that racism specifically against Blacks is deeper than economics and religion, it's in their psychological make up.
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Drusilla (f)
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I am going to start a new topic about this, because I know Nferyn is anxious to discuss this. So as not to disturb this topic. It's about dead anyways.
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nferyn (m)
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nferyn you make sense however If racism is just innate ethnocentrism how come they let the irish, and italian immigrants come into the country and blend in.
I never said it was only innate ethnocentrism, only that the basis for racism is in our innate ethnocentrism. Stratification of society through visual markers is the easiest thing to do, it is, as a matter of speaking the path of least resistance. Irish, Italians and other immigrants can easily blend in. What you shouldn't forget either is that blacks in the US were not voluntary immigrants and brought over specifically for economic exploitation, an entirely different starting point. Asians even though they look different have blended in to an extent, but the Black man keeps being harasssed in his own homeland. They are working on passing rules that would make illegal mexicans legal. How come the Haitians, Jamaicans can't have the same right? I don't know about the specificities of those laws, but race relations in the US (especially in view of the lofty ideals of it's founding) have been particularly tainted I think its Intense hatred and Intense fear coupled with ethnocentrism.
True and that is continuously perpetuated by a media system that thrives on stereotyping and instilling fear in people. The lack of real communal life (what can you expect when people live in suburbia, commute several hours a day and have ameagre free time labeled 'vacation') makes for a very perceptive environment. Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine made that point in a very humourous way. The worst thing about it is that Immigrants from other countries have been taught to fear and mistrust the black man.
And Africans are even taught to mistrust African Americans The korean lady thinks we are going to steal her purse, so does the arab woman.
Sadly You know how this was achieved. The "cultivation effect". If a white/arab/chinese guy commits a petty crime it does not make headline news, but a black guy it's on CNN. How come we don't see Koreans/arabs/indians in prison dramas or films don't they commit crimes? instead you always see a bunch of black guys lifting weights and talking about keeping it real in the hood.
I've never seen anything more shallow than American mainstream media. Infotainment all over and too few people watch PBS. |
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shango (m)
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Drusilla I totally disagree with your assesement.
I will say it again, if the plutocracy could have enslaved their own "kind" to get money they would have. Capitalisn doesnt see any color. It uses color as the major tactic in dividing people and keeping socialistic undercurrents from fermenting and displacing the absolute absurdity of the wealth that the plutocracy acquires. The sooner EVERYONE, not just whites, blacks, browns and yellows begin to realise this the sooner we can break away from the shackles of imperialistic racist capitalism.
The wars of the 21st centurty are not really religious wars, tribal or racial wars. Every war and its source can be attributed to capitalism at its root. I see capitalism as the greatest evil of the world as we know it today. That it uses racism to "distract" the underclass populace while acquiring wealth is an afterthought really. Corporate greed and the acquisition of wealth lowers your humanity, it turns us into animals. If you all knew the cost of industrilization, the millions that die each year and live in suffering so you can drive your car, or wear your Gap jeans, you would throwup and give up all the materials that show the "progress" of society.
During colonialism there was a reason that they played up the differences in ethnicities and allocated power to certain ethnic groups. Its not like any ethnic group was better or superior, it was abritrarily chosen. The Hausas weren't given majority power because they where inherently superior to the Yorubas or Igbos. They didnt measure the Tutsi and Hutu's noses for the fun of it. Light skinned slaves did not become house negroes because whites suddenly had compassion. It is how a secondary heirarchy is created in a capitalist system. No matter the primary heirarchy of wealth their is the second heiirarchy of "race" that comes into play. Even the wealthy saudi princes are subjugated to the wealth and defines his status through the eyes of his imperials, his lavish mansion, his planes, cars, all products of capitalistic industrilization as perpetuated by white plutocrats. Even he is subjugated to them, as they could wipe out his fortunes in the blink of an eye if they chose to.
Don't get me wrong most whites believe in their inherent superiority. They have an always will and it will take nothing short of a major revolution for them to see different. But you really cannot blame them. They have been conditioned within a societal framework that promotes such thoughts as fact. Just look at the media in America in the 21st century, there hasnt been a more fascist and more powerful media than the one that dominates over 90% of the United States. Yet the illusion is so pervasive and complete most people think when they tune in to CNN or Fox they are getting a news report when infact it is mostly propaganda and debates within a constricted confine that always ultimately leads to the same conclusions.
In the end greed is the end all of all the conflicts and all the problems of the world today. That almost 100% of the superwealthy are white is a result of history and happenstance and circumstances, very complicated to be sure and very cleverely perpetuated through government control and imperialism. When whites went on voyages to "discover" india or "africa" it was simply for profit. They slaughtered millions of indegenous peoples simply for economics. Capitalism creates a raw animalism that perhaps exists in human nature hidden, but capitalism brings it right out, and all its implications and consequences follow to the detriment of society.
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Drusilla (f)
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Shango,
Capitalism may have birthed the baby of Racism.
But the baby has a life of it's own now.
Replacing the father with the uncle will not kill the baby.
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shango (m)
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it won't but it will stunt the babies mental development so even if he grows up to be an adult he will still be an irrelevant member of society  |
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toshmann (m)
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drusilla, at least u have finally accepted that the black man also sold his brother, but stop making this excuse of their history. toshman,
2 & 7. The argument is this. Are Black people just pathological animals, who murder their own, in some childish ancient tribal blood feuds? The answer is No. What you see in Africa, is a result of their history. Yes the blacks did it but it does not come from some evil within them, it comes from their history. .
please please please stop making these excuses, when a man brutally murders his fellow man, it is evil no matter the color of the skin of the murderer or the victim. please leave this history stuff here. we all know this history yet i refuse to accept that as an explanation for the brutal murder of an estimated 1 million tutsis by their fellow rwandans. it is evil and it is within them. u don't murder an innocent man and tell me the evil is from somewhere else. it takes internal evil to murder someone who is not a threat to your life. murder. intention to kill. overt murder.mba, ekweghi m,( i disagree) 3. and 4. Of course Black people can hate others, that goes without saying. What you have to prove that it was racism. i.e. on the basis of feeling superior due to their skin color.
racism is not about skin color alone, it is about one race versus another. and even precisely talking about skin color, are we blacks exactly the same color? there are different shades of our skin color. anyway, the issue is there was intense hatred of another race and it is racism. the hutus believed they were superior to the tutsis and that the tutsis were cockroaches. so that even fits into your perception of racism. the white man may be the world's most notorious racist but believe me the white man is not the world's only racist. that is the point of this thread. and that,i'm afraid, is the truth. have a nice day  |
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Drusilla (f)
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Shango,
LOL SMILE
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Drusilla (f)
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the white man may be the world's most notorious racist but believe me the white man is not the world's only racist. that is the point of this thread. and that,i'm afraid, is the truth. Let's accept your argument. The whiteman is not the world's only racist. That is truth, you say. Now could you please tell me the point? Please show us how this could help Blacks world wide who have been dominated, raped, colonized, murdered and enslaved for the last 600 years? It seems to me that my point far earlier in the thread is still valid, this racism you see in anybody, is as I stated far earlier: Totally useless to the Blackman to help us out of the hole we find ourselves in due to the whiteman's racism. Another useless fact. |
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Drusilla (f)
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it is evil and it is within them. toshman, Please explain your statement above. Are you pushing the idea that the Spirit and Soul of evil people is really what happenned in Rwanda and whereever you see murderers? The devil made them do it? |
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shango (m)
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ALL MEN are capable of such evils. The fact that one "group" or "race" has perpetuated (and continues to perpetuate) such violence is a matter of history and happenstance. And the question is what brings out that evil in people? Creating divisions within people based on tribe, race, whatever is an easy way to play two different groups against each other and have one group commit murderous acts or heinous acts against the other and vice versa. Capitalism, racism, tribalism, all the ism's, create such divisions and perpetuates the continous heinous acts. Greed is the motivating force that made whites treat Africans like animals and cart them like merchandise to work as unpaid laborers. If they had no such need for the said labor they would not have done those acts. The multiple governments ovethrown by the US throughout the 20th centure was ALWAYS, (without exception) because there was a threat to the capitalistic model of the US. The US had a cold war for decades, simply because they where fighting against another economic model. You can have democracy and still have a communist system no matter what westerners will have you believe. Just as you can have governmental capitalism and fascism like the Chinese have now. Capitalism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Democracy does not imply capitalism and vice versa. That is a myth perpetuated by America and used as justification and has been used to topple so called socialist and communist governments all around the world. Now with the advent of globilization (an euphemism for corporate takeover of whole nations and world economies) the new excuse is terrorism.
We as Africans can propel ourselves and live like we once lived free of disease and with basic amenities and a decent way of life. But the answer doesnt lie with adopting Western policies. As long as we think the answer lies with Americanising or Westernising our nations we will continue to live in the gutter that we are in simply because the Western way of life which the West is trying to push on us is NOT DEMOCRACY but CAPITALISM AND CAPITALISM DOES NOT CARE OR TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COMMON GOOD OF MAN OR ITS ENVIROMENT. IT SIMPLY EXISTS TO MAKE A PROFIT.
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Drusilla (f)
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Shango,
Hold on now. You know I am slow. So let me understand this:
An economics program will stop the evil of racism that is in everyman's heart?
Economics cures evil in men's heart?
Socialism is a spiritual program to deal with men's spirit and soul?
Do you advise people to become Christians and Socialists?
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shango (m)
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the capacity to hate is in every mans heart. The fact that racism is the prevalent and incultured form of that hatred is just how history worked out. An economics program will not stop the evil of racism in everyman's heart as racism is taught, it is not in every mans heart. The concept of race is an artificial construct, ,genetics have shown the variance in so called races is less than a 100th of a percent in the human genome. There is as much variety between me and you within our genetic makeup as there is between me and a white man, and that variety is so so miniscule compared to the similarities. We are greater than 99.99 percent alike genetically. People have tried from Anthropology to Genetics to Biology to sustain the idea of race. It was created by plutocrats to divide and conquer, simple as that. Racism just like the other isms are taught not a part of our nature.
Deadening imperialistic capitalism as we know it and as it is practiced will I believe render the concept of racism irrelevant in our lives. It will not stop people from holding these beliefs for quiet a while but it will render those beliefs irrelevant in todays society. Imagine an African nation that is onpar with any so called superpower and came to that position without the help of any western influence. If we built such a nation ourselves you think other "races" or "groups" can continue to proclaim their inherent superiority? Ofcourse not, they could but they would look stupid. My point is racism and imperialistic capitalism are so intertwined that eliminating the latter will neccisitate the defeat of the former. They go hand in hand.
I believe forms of socialism and communism via democratic processes is the answer. Religion in of itself is good for each person but has been politicized for expansionist purposes all through history and next to race, the 2nd most used weapon in the divide and conquer strategy. Communal living is the only form of living that has not destroyed our planet even with advents of technology, and has not destroyed our fellow man through wars and genocide. Any political or economic or social system that creates elites is bound to fail and bound to cause destruction and carnage in its wake. So yes, perhaps I am saying we become socialist-communist.
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toshmann (m)
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drusilla, Let's accept your argument. The whiteman is not the world's only racist. That is truth, you say.
Halleluya!!!!!!!!!!!! my friend has finally seen the whole point of this thread. Another useless fact.
depends on who is assessing it. this fact may help reduce hate and make forgiveness and progress easier. anyway it may be necessary to open a new thread for that. Are you pushing the idea that the Spirit and Soul of evil people is really what happenned in Rwanda and whereever you see murderers?
The devil made them do it?
i dunno the precise meaning of this grammar but i'll say this, anyone who takes the life of his fellow human being for no other reason other than the fact that the other person belongs to another race is evil and the evil is from within the murderer and there is no justification whatsoever for taking human life because human life is sacrosant both before man and before Goddevil made them do it? okay o. the gospel according to drusilla. u may accuse me of being religious, but i have to say this, remember when adam sinned, he said it was the devil. did that fact stop God from punishing adam? NO. so all this devil this devil that--EXCUSES. makes no sense to me. if i wake up one morning and attack nferyn because he is white and whites were evil to us. and nferyn did me no harm and is no threat to my life, drusilla dear, 1000years of slavery will not and can never be an excuse for the murder of nferyn by toshmann.get it. if i do it, the evil is from toshmann stop disturbing devil before he takes us to court  he has enough wahala on his accursed head already. we must accept responsibility for any evil we do. and stop all this history excuse. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To toshmanh drusilla, Halleluya!!!!!!!!!!!! my friend has finally seen the whole point of this thread. depends on who is assessing it. this fact may help reduce hate and make forgiveness and progress easier. anyway it may be necessary to open a new thread for that. i don't know the precise meaning of this grammar but i'll say this, anyone who takes the life of his fellow human being for no other reason other than the fact that the other person belongs to another race is evil and the evil is from within the murderer and there is no justification whatsoever for taking human life because human life is sacrosant both before man and before Goddevil made them do it? okay o. the gospel according to drusilla. u may accuse me of being religious, but i have to say this, remember when adam sinned, he said it was the devil. did that fact stop God from punishing adam? NO. so all this devil this devil that--EXCUSES. makes no sense to me. if i wake up one morning and attack nferyn because he is white and whites were evil to us. and nferyn did me no harm and is no threat to my life, drusilla dear, 1000years of slavery will not and can never be an excuse for the murder of nferyn by toshmann.get it. if i do it, the evil is from toshmann stop disturbing devil before he takes us to court he has enough wahala on his accursed head already. we must accept responsibility for any evil we do. and stop all this history excuse. Continue to say this to fools, while Israel is going about retaliating every single thing that happens to them, I still remember that Israel is the chronicle of our so called Christan religion you are very fast to quote, [ in as much as retaliation is not justified and two wrongs cant make a right, at least one can acknowledge this things, to show one hasn't got a dead head ] don't worry the smart people we need to build Africa will never buy any of your theories, all great nations are built on the intelect of very few people, why in the hake do I bother. |
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toshmann (m)
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what hezbolla is doing is wrong. but that does not make the killing of almost 600 lebanese right.
it may take the brains of a few intellectuals to build a nation but it will take the dilligent and loyal spirit of the majority of the people to manifest the intellect of the few brains in nation building.
no nation thrives on hatred. and revenge is not one of the building materials of a nation, nor is it a fertile spot for the development of good foreign relations.
toshmann is committed to the growth of nigeria. i have worked in the health sector. i have seen the devastating effects of poverty on the health and indeed the economy of our country.i have seen, first hand, the effects of injustice on a people. it pains toshmann that there is an overwhelming imbalance in the world tilted against the black race
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is revenge the solution. is hatred the way forward? the struggle for liberation should not focus on hatred and revenge. let's follow the mandela example.
and talking of the bible and christainity, did the bible teach you revenge? the bible never told us that israel is always right. c'mon brother, we can do better. we can do better if we show the west that we are civilised. i was watching the bbc today and they showed a lebanese who had a message for bush and rice,he said, they have killed all my family, destroyed my house, battered my existence,called me terrorist, but let me show bush who i really am-he took a leaf and laid at the corpses of his family and said that he is a poor man who has lost his family but has not been a threat to anyone, and never will, and is out to bury his dead, killed by israel. he showed the world who the real terrorist are. both IDF and hezbolla.
Let us show the west, that we have civilised people in africa and its diaspora
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shango (m)
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and talking of the bible and christainity, did the bible teach you revenge? the bible never told us that israel is always right. c'mon brother, we can do better. we can do better if we show the west that we are civilised. i was watching the bbc today and they showed a lebanese who had a message for bush and rice,he said, they have killed all my family, destroyed my house, battered my existence,called me terrorist, but let me show bush who i really am-he took a leaf and laid at the corpses of his family and said that he is a poor man who has lost his family but has not been a threat to anyone, and never will, and is out to bury his dead, killed by israel. he showed the world who the real terrorist are. both IDF and hezbolla.
Let us show the west, that we have civilised people in africa and its diaspora
And what exactly is civilised? And mess showing the West anything. Why do we have to define ourselves through Western standards. This is at the core of why we are still in the hole we are in as Africans, as well as much of the world. What do you guys don't understand that European powers (and yes that includes Isreal, afterall over 90% of jews in Israel are Ashkenazi jews i.e of Eureopean descent) could care less and actually love the fact that the so called third world is in dissarray, more minerals and resources to pillage. Look at the Congo. Who the hell do you think is giving guns to the rebels in neighboring Somalia and Uganda, do they manufacture weapons in that country, is it any suprise the conflict is over land that holds resources, any surprise that cobalt, a mineral used in most electronics we know today is sold by those two countries to Western corporations even though none of those countries have cobalt reserves. And the west used the bible to jjustify slavery, colonialism and other barbaric imperialist and expansionist acts. They have toppled leaders in other countries simply to maintain their economic model. Define who we are through their eyes and ideals is the last thing Africans should be doing. |
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toshmann (m)
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the west cannot use the bible to justify slavery and the bible does not support slavery please.
the west may have supplied the guns for the wars in africa. does that surprise you? they don't love us. we should know that. now if we know they don't love us, why should we patronise their military supplies? where we forced to buy those guns, where we forced to use them on ourselves? if the west doesn't love us, should we hate ourselves?
we should stop the blame game and go to the "struggle game".i.e, we should advance from blaming the west for supplying the guns, to stopping ourselves from buying and using the guns on ourselves. its like u have someone that hates u and u go to him to slap you. of course he will,then you blame him for the injury, but you must not go to your enemy for slaps.
when we buy those guns from the west and use it on ourselves we have gone to the west to give us a slap. which they are only too glad to do(trust the white man who will always do anything to make gain even if it kills the black man).
talking 'bout civilisation, the greatest civility is loving your neighbour and treating him as you would want urself to be treated. that has always been our culture. it didn't come from the west. civilisation started in Africa.
c'mon guys, we should be wiser.
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superman (m)
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at least it takes some people 12 years to realise the west dnt love africa! hmm i smell good development here oooooo!
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twinkey
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i'm with you superman, they dam sure don't.
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superman (m)
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twinkey hmmm just laugh!! lets just make sure no one is lookin over there shoulder
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shango (m)
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the west cannot use the bible to justify slavery and the bible does not support slavery please.
the west may have supplied the guns for the wars in africa. does that surprise you? they don't love us. we should know that. now if we know they don't love us, why should we patronise their military supplies? where we forced to buy those guns, where we forced to use them on ourselves? if the west doesn't love us, should we hate ourselves?
we should stop the blame game and go to the "struggle game".i.e, we should advance from blaming the west for supplying the guns, to stopping ourselves from buying and using the guns on ourselves. its like u have someone that hates u and u go to him to slap you. of course he will,then you blame him for the injury, but you must not go to your enemy for slaps.
when we buy those guns from the west and use it on ourselves we have gone to the west to give us a slap. which they are only too glad to do(trust the white man who will always do anything to make gain even if it kills the black man).
talking 'bout civilisation, the greatest civility is loving your neighbour and treating him as you would want yourself to be treated. that has always been our culture. it didn't come from the west. civilisation started in Africa.
c'mon guys, we should be wiser. I wish that where the case but unfortunately there are those in any goup that are more greedy and inhumane than the rest and that is what the West counts on. Most people do not want to be rebels raping and pillaging their neighbors to sell minerals to western multinational corporations but there will always be those people that will. You try to convince Hitler if he where alive that Jews should be spared and we should all love one another. It wouldn't work now would it? I do not blame the rebels just like I do not really blame the western powers for doing what they do, I understand what drives them to do the awful things they do, I just point it out, the fact is people in the Congo would not be dying by the millions if rebels were not funded by Western powers, the root of the problem doesnt lie in the Rebels but with the Western Powers. Wether pointing out that fact is appropriating blame, maybe according to you, to me its pointing out the root of the problem. talking 'bout civilisation, the greatest civility is loving your neighbour and treating him as you would want yourself to be treated. that has always been our culture. it didn't come from the west. civilisation started in Africa. I couldn't agree more, well said. |
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Drusilla (f)
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toshman, we must accept responsibility for any evil we do. and stop all this history excuse. I have repeatedly informed you of the present day interference of whites in Africa, and you distort what I say about the present day white control of Africa: history. Remember in rwanda I told you about whites ARMING and FUNDING the RFP in a neighboring country, to go to war against Rwanda? That was in 1994, the same year as the genocide. So whites interfering in Rwanda in 1994 and getting well deserved blame for intereference historically and presently in Rwanda, is distorted by you to be something far in the past. Africa is 100 percent economically dominated by outsiders: RIGHT NOW IN 2006. It isn't about the guns that Africans buy, in 2006, it is about the fact that they buy them, so they can get control of the country, so that they can be the one who recieves cash and goods from whites in 2006. Americans and Europeans being kidnapped in Nigeria, are not being kidnapped because of history but because they control the resources of Nigeria right now in 2006. Nigerians importing food and not growing their own on arable land that is not planted now in 2006, is not due to some historical need of Nigerian culture to be dependent on whites to feed them. It is because of white control of their economy. Nigerians having a lopsided economy that sells oil to whites but can not keep their own people supplied with electricity is not due to some cultural need to have nothing for themselves but because the Nigerian economy is geared towards what whites need and not what Nigerians need, right now in 2006. I know it is painful but you must stop trying to avoid the fact that whites control Africa economically and thus politically and militarily and culturally in 2006, the same as they did in 1956. Forget history and deal with what whites are doing now in Africa. |
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