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Busta (f)
Purgatory
« on: July 10, 2006, 03:37 PM »

What is Purgatory and does it really exists??

is it an excuse to sin and repent again??
feelgood (m)
Re: Purgatory
« #1 on: October 17, 2006, 02:51 PM »

Purgatory is a temporary place (the Catholics would have us believe), where those who die in their sins
are put to suffer temporary punishment before they are permitted to enter heaven - especially when
members have been praying to God to have mercy on the hapless soul.

Does it exist? No, if we go by the bible standard.

There are EITHER of 2 places one goes after death: HEAVEN OR HELL! When one dies a sinner, no amount
of prayers by any one (saint or priest) will make God change the location  of such from hell to heaven - Luke 16:19 - 31

But then, it is possible for a sinner to change his/her destination while he is yet alive - because, really that decision
is his and his alone to make. How? Simple. Just 5 easy steps:

1. Recognise you are a sinner in dire need of a savior. Romans 3:23; 6: 23
2. Confess your sins to GOD. 1John1:9
3. Repent (ie turn away) from those sins and ask GOD to help you through HIS grace to keep away from the same. Acts 3:19
4. Believe that GOD loves you - HE actually does - that's why JESUS had to die on the cross. Romans 5:8
5. Invite JESUS into your life through the prayer of faith. Revelations 3:20

Okay, maybe then one can take that decision when one is old and ready to die. Perhaps. But who knows WHEN (s)he will die?
Should one die before he takes that decision, won't God understand? Nope, HE won't.

What then? It's one's choice. Always been. Free world. I suggest  now - since NOBODY knows what will happen the next minute.
I believe that is smarter. I trust you would agree.

I hope I've answered your question Wink

Be cool.


Drusilla (f)
Re: Purgatory
« #2 on: October 18, 2006, 05:38 AM »

A belief in Purgatory is based mostly on this verse:

Luk 12:47  And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But also on this verse:

1Jo 5:16  If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.


Thus the bible seems to show that there are different punishments for different persons.

Of course when you add in God's charecter, it is sickening that people teach that Hitler who killed millions of persons only gets the same punishment as an Indian who never heard the gospel.

Of course Hitlers punishment will be worse and of course the Indian will be judged by what he knew, not what he did not know.
debosky (m)
Re: Purgatory
« #3 on: October 18, 2006, 05:54 AM »

Quote from: Drusilla on October 18, 2006, 05:38 AM

Thus the bible seems to show that there are different punishments for different persons.

Of course when you add in God's charecter, it is sickening that people teach that Hitler who killed millions of persons only gets the same punishment as an Indian who never heard the gospel.

Of course Hitlers punishment will be worse and of course the Indian will be judged by what he knew, not what he did not know.

Well i do not know about 'different punishments' but if one has the opportunity to accept the gospel and doesn't, he will not go into God's kingdom, as far as what i know, I really do not know the fate of those who did not hear the gospel, so i am inclined to believe there might be some truth in your final statement


 now, lets consider the case of me (God forbid) going to hell because i didnt accept the salvation God offered.

 to your thinking right now, it may make a difference, but if i'm burning at 1,000 degrees celsius and another guy(say Hitler) is burning at 20,000 degrees celsius, do you think i'll feel i have a 'better deal' or my own case isn't so bad? its all the same in the end - you're in hell - stage 1 or stage 100 (if such exists)

we don't have detailed specifications of what heaven and hell entail so it would be mere conjecture to speculate beyond what is in the bible (the source I respect)

sorry for the offpoint post, s to the puratory question, i don't believe it exists, but there are still some unclear issues (to me at least) as to what happens when we die and leave this earth
feelgood (m)
Re: Purgatory
« #4 on: October 18, 2006, 11:39 AM »

@Drusilla
I don't seem to understand your post. Are you saying that purgatory is real?
If it is, then perhaps people have a good load of excuse to continue in sin since there is every
likelihood that in the end they will make heaven- what matters is that your sins are not 'very serious'.

But then what is the yardstick of measuring heinous and 'lesser' sins? James 2: 10 - 12 is particularly revealing.
Does God judge by the standards of man? If that is so, then we will need to re-visit the
judgement on Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1 - 11) when you contrast the same to the mercy on
Manasseh (2Chronicles 33) - I speak as one without understanding.

However , a careful study of Romans 9 is illuminating.

I reiterate, the doctrine of purgatory has no scriptural basis. The passages you quoted do not support
purgatory.

@debosky
Romans 2:12 - 16 gives a clear indication of how those who did not have the privilege of hearing the gospel
will be judged.
What happens when we die and leave the earth? There are different postulations by varied people using
varied sources to back themselves up. But there cannot be different truths about one issue. Only one is
genuine. I stand on the BIBLE TRUTH - WHEN WE DIE AND LEAVE THE EARTH, WE OPEN OUR EYES IN HEAVEN OR
HELL.( Where exactly has already been tackled earlier).
Why am I so sure? That will take another thread. This thread is on purgatory and I do feel uncomfortable digressing.

Be cool.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Purgatory
« #5 on: October 18, 2006, 01:54 PM »

Feelgood,

I do not know if purgatory is real or not. I am just showing the scriptures that show various beatings or rewards for different people.

This is the idea of purgatory and that idea is real and biblical.

Your verses seem to support what I believe:

Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

There is a law for those who are naturally better than the rest of us. Another law is said to kick in there. The law written  in their hearts.

Anasias and Sapphira were not said to be sent to hell? Were they? If so then we all go to hell because we will all die.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Purgatory
« #6 on: October 18, 2006, 01:56 PM »

It's not some crazy catholic belief, there are scriptures that can support the idea of various or individualised responses friom God to each person.
sstar (f)
Re: Purgatory
« #7 on: October 19, 2006, 10:48 PM »

i don't believe there's anything like purgatory.when u die ,u return to dust,where u shall wait for judgement and either go to heaven or hell.
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