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Softee (f)
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I don't get it. They will always compare it to christianity and use mind games. Why?
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ISAHO (m)
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Mind games? i dont understand.
Everyman has control of his mind. It s a matter of choice. God has said that "He has given us the criteria between good and bad". He also said "He gave us the head not as a design for the eyes to see or the ears to hear neither has He given us the nose to smell or the mouth to talk but for collective use of them alongside with the brain. Sweetheart the way you use your own gifts is in your hands.
So if ther is anyone trying to outsmart you into accepting Islam, please be wise because "God said if you dont know Him then you ll never be able to worship Him".
Peace
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Softee (f)
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I am not even referring to myself too tuff. Godless people can be easily tricked in to islam by hearing lies about the bible and join in with the hatred. This happens a lot.
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babyosisi (f)
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Softee,that is all they got.
Islam has no spirit behind it so they use manipulations,superflousity of words for the educated ones and force when you resist.
That is the nature of the religion,read accounts of Mohammed and that wouldn't suprise you.
Anything born of a snake must be long as an Igbo saying goes.
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Seun (m)
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So Christians don't use mind games?  |
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Gwaine (m)
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1 Thes. 2:5 For we never came with words of flattery, as you know, nor with a pretext for greed--God is witness.
It is unChristian to use mind games to propagate the Gospel. We believe in laying bare the goodnews by invitation, persuasion, conviction, and righteousness evidenced in our lifestyle. Fruit born out of mind games don't last, and where they remain, they will do more damage to good causes than promote them. That is why authentic Christianity still bears fruit in the lives of those who know Christ for real. Only quacks and frauds promote mind games.
In context of the first entry, Christianity has no need to compare itself with any religion - much less with Islam. It is rather the other way round, because it is even contained in the Qur'an that 'Allah' tries to compare and measure Islam with Judaism and Christianity. In that context, Christianity does not use mind games, nor does it need to compare itself with any 'prophet' or message.
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mukina2 (f)
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some topics on this religion board are soo hilarious  the most persuasive people are christains they go from door to door usin mind games to get to you i had some friends i normally take extra classes with. everyday after classes they av to attend service at 7pm, i normally go with them but wait for them in the nearby park,this disturbs them,so they now went and told one of their youth leaders,this guy came back and started tellin me wat he thot i didnt know bout me religion he said a pack load of rubbish. i was just listenin to him ,i didnt contribute,and he thot he had me,finally he said praise the lord,my sister i knew you wanted the path of light, i just laughed at him and walked off |
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Gwaine (m)
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And that finally satisfies your hilarity about your narrow mindedness. Puleeezz!! I've heard more crap from Muslims than I can recount here, and I don't stoop low to judging Islam by the few who don't know what they are about.
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mukina2 (f)
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@Gwaine you seem to be anywhere i am
SURAH AL KHAFIRU SAYS IN AYAH 2-3
LA HA BU DU MA TA BU DUN meaning i worship not that which ye worship
WA LA AN TUM ABI DUN MA HA BU DU meaning nor will ye worship that which i worship
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Softee (f)
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Christian do not use mind games they tell you the TRUTH. Just remember Jesus said "and the TRUTH shall set you free".
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Gwaine (m)
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@mukina2, We're Nigerians, so I'm most often on your trail. Okay, just teasing ya. It's true we worship in different ways, and I'm convinced it's not the same 'God' - and that's not crap at all that you've stated. I take back the narrow mindedness about you earlier; but I don't believe that just one incident establishes what you were trying to make us believe about Christians using mind games. Most people do - whether Christians or Muslims. But as far as I know, the Bible discountenances it. |
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Gwaine (m)
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I thought as much - but all the same, Nairaland is not only for Niajas but for all. So, no problem if you find me on your trail. |
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Seun (m)
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As far as I know, muslims generally mind their own religion. Christians are the ones who try to convert you.
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Darkchild (m)
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Seun,
I do agree with u about muslims minding their own bizness especially when it comes to preaching. Have never had a muslim knock on my door to preach!
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Darkchild (m)
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Seun,
I must confess that every time I see a post from u, I make it a point of duty to read it. I find your posts very interesting to read. I think its because they are posted from a very objective point of view. How do you manage that?
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Gwaine (m)
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As far as I know, muslims generally mind their own religion. Christians are the ones who try to convert you.
That's true, Seun. If we don't preach the Gospel to people, would we be obeying Jesus Christ our Lord who Himself enjoined that on us? Matt. 28:19 - 'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' Mark 16:20 - 'And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.' But before I travelled out, the minarets were not so 'minding-their-own-religion' with the loud calls for prayer from the public address systems blarring in the wee mornings. Believe it or not, where we formerly lived Muslim clerics severally were heard 'preaching' over their loud PAS in English, and most often it was about how the Bible was corrupt and Christians were following a pagan religion. Just think of what would have happened if a pastor did the same with the PAS mounted outside his church so that passers-by could hear how he would have been referring to the Qur'an as 'corrupt' and Muslims following a 'pagan religion'! |
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davidylan (m)
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Seun,
I do agree with u about muslims minding their own bizness especially when it comes to preaching. Have never had a muslim knock on my door to preach!
Quite likely you'd never find a muslim knocking on your door to preach, he really has nothing to preach. What would he preach? Poetry from the quran or the inconsistencies in the hadith? Would he be proposing to introduce you to murder, pedophilia and religious intolerance? I do agree that muslims generally "mind their business", wanton murder, suicide bombings and cartoon riots are all part of the business they are told to mind! They seem to be doing it with all diligence, christians would do well to take note! |
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mukina2 (f)
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davidylan are you tryin to say christians are better  |
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davidylan (m)
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davidylan are you tryin to say christians are better Judge for thyself! At least even the worst of suicide bombers is still protected by US and European law. Christians are yet to organize themselves into terrorist groups and lob missiles and rockets at defenceless palestinians in the name of defending Isreal, we do not have a christian bishop hiding in caves and promising death to every soul. The same cannot be said of muslims. |
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mukina2 (f)
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lmao are you referin to osama as a bishop as far as im concerned ISLAM is the best allahu akbarchristainity is the most disorganised religion with over a dozen factions catholics anglicans pentecost born again methodist and so on , in Islam we are all united we all fast at the same time during the month of ramadan as for christianity evrithing is mix up Jehovah witness believe in Jehovah,dont accept blood,never celebrate birthdays.or most christain hoildays, why shud i think that such a religion is the best, you said God said go forth and multiply why den are the caholic fathers not married? am really confused with your religion am not hatin no cuz i wont,am just confused |
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davidylan (m)
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lmao are you referin to osama as a bishop as far as im concerned ISLAM is the best allahu akbarchristainity is the most disorganised religion with over a dozen factions catholics anglicans pentecost born again methodist and so on , in Islam we are all united we all fast at the same time during the month of ramadan as for christianity evrithing is mix up Jehovah witness believe in Jehovah,don't accept blood,never celebrate birthdays.or most christain hoildays, why should i think that such a religion is the best, you said God said go forth and multiply why den are the caholic fathers not married? am really confused with your religion am not hatin no because i wont,am just confused My people perish for lack of knowledge. You are very lucky, at least the only thing you need worry about the christian faith is its "confusion", christians have to sleep with two eyes open to avoid their throat being slit open by muslims. We can no longer take speed trains in Europe and America, we live in fear of suicide bombers, we cant write books, draw cartoons and sell falafel in iraq. even watching the world cup is a capital offence in somalia, Iran, Syria, Osama are all threatening us with death and destruction. All these is enough to send every christian to a quick grave. About the "confusion" in christianity, only those on the other side are confused! It does not matter, the Lord expressle told us not all who call Him Lord Lord shall enter His kingdom, He declared that there shall be false prophets in our time, and He knows His Sheep and We here His voice! And what qualifies "fasting together in the month of ramadan" as unity? Why do Shiites and Sunnis kill each other in Iraq? Who are the kurds? Why do Northern Nigerian muslims refer to their southern counterparts as "khaferis"? So much for unity! |
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mukina2 (f)
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sunnis and shites fight in Iraq because bush caused it.
Islam is the most purest and united religion in the whole world
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davidylan (m)
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sunnis and shites fight in Iraq because bush caused it.
Islam is the most purest and united religion in the whole world
, and bush it was who told Saddam to gas the kurds in 1982? |
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Gwaine (m)
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@mukina2, I notice that you're now the one dogging my steps on Nairaland - and I'm enjoying it. as far as im concerned ISLAM is the best allahu akbar
christainity is the most disorganised religion with over a dozen factions It's just that your hide-and-seek games are beginning to amuse me. You claimed that ISLAM is the best allahu akbar, but you did not remember that the religion of the Bedouin Prophet Muhammad is also fraught with disagreements among Muslims. Not too long ago, the Shiites and Sunnis were murdering themselves in Iraq - to show their solidarity and cohesion, abi? Caught between the two groups are the Sufi Muslims - very unpopular among either camp because they practise a mystical side of Islam. Within the Shiites themselves are smaller factions - didn't they tell you?? Okay, here for your perusal: # The " Wahhabi" - the Puritans of the Muslims, with the most strict, severely enforced moral standard of conduct, and their call for a pure Islam regulated by a literal interpretation of the Koran; # The Kharijites - a dogmatic and fanatical sect which plagued Iraq for many years; # The Ismailis - they are in parts of India, Egypt, and the rulers of Syria, Palestine, Mesopotamia, and Bahrain. They believe that incarnations of God in the form of new Imams will continue throughout time. (Not to even mention the Ismaili Druze who are miffed with and suspicious of every other Muslim in the belief that the Fatimid leader al-Hakim of Egypt was God. They meet on Thursdays, instead of Fridays, have monogamous marriages and are in Lebanon, Syria, and Israel, trying to have an independent state. # The Ismaili "Hashshashin" or " Assassins", who used the drug hashish to get exited, and became famous for their practice of seizing Crusader forts and assassinating Christians. Today, known as "Khojas" or "Mawlas" in Bombay, India, and parts of Iran, Syria, and Zanzibar (maybe this is the group that makes me glance over my shoulders and watch my back more often than not). A few others actually stretch the list, each with a distinct flavour of Islam that sets them apart from other Muslims - ¤ Hanafiyah Followers of the Imammate of Muhammad ibn-al-Hanifah. They believe that Allah might have had a beginning. ¤ Hashamiya/Taraqibiyah They ascribe a body to Allah and also allege that Prophet Muhammad disobeyed Allah. ¤ Ibadiyah/Af'aliyah They consider Abdullah ibn-Ibad as their Imam, and believe in doing good deeds without the intention of pleasing Allah. ¤ Nazzamiyah Followers of abu-Ishaq Ibrahim ibn-Saiyar, they do not believe in the miraculous nature of the Holy Quran nor do they believe the miracles of Holy Prophet (pbuh) like splitting the moon. ¤ Murdariyah Followers of Isa ibn-Sabih, they believe that staying in close communication with the Sultan (ruler) makes one an unbeliever. ¤ Jubbaiyah Followers of abu-'Ali al-Jubbai, they believe that Allah obeys His servants when He fulfill their wish. ¤ Ibriyah They believe that Holy Prophet Muhammad was a wise man but not a prophet. ¤ Yaqubiyya They believe that Muslim committers of major sins will be in hell fire forever. ¤ Zarariyah They believe that Allah did not live nor had any attributes till He created for Himself life and His attributes. ¤ Shaibaniyah/Mashbiyah Followers of Shaiban ibn-Salamah al-Khariji, they believe Allah resembles His creatures. ¤ Hudhailiyah/Faniya Followers of abu-al-Hudhail Muhammad ibn-al-Hudhail, they believe that both Hell and Paradise will perish and that preordination of Allah can cease, at which time Allah will no longer be omnipotent. ¤ Muhkamiyah They believe that God has no control over His creations. ¤ 'Aliviyah/Ajariyah They believe that Hadhrat Ali share prophethood with Muhammad. ¤ Lafziyah They believe that the Qu'ran is not the word of God but only its meaning and essence is the word of God. Words of Quran are just the words of narrator. Today, too, in the US of A, you'll find another confused group (the " Nation of Islam" aka " Black Muslims") who have a problem with the skin-colour of the Arabian Prophet Muhammad (for he was "white"). No vex, but this latter group was started by Timothy Drew in 1913, and founded by Wallace Fard Muhammad, who established a mosque in Detroit in 1931, and claimed to be Allah incarnated. You know what, mukina2? Please don't rest your case as yet - we get plenty more to yarn for Nairaland. I'm waiting for your next assignment. |
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Softee (f)
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You tell her Gwaine!
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mukina2 (f)
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@Gwaine wow so u went to research despite all what you listed at the end of the day all muslims believe in the five pillars of islami can never imagine myself as a christian simply because i wudnt know one faction from the other by the way wat faction are you from |
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Gwaine (m)
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@mukina2,
Good to see you're back. Five or fifty pillars, it doesn't really change anything about the fact that Islam is as confused as you are trying to accuse Christianity of. At the end of the day, true Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and the Saviour of the world - and it is in Him we put our faith for our salvation, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit to hunger after and pursue a holy lifestyle.
If I were you, I wouldn't be so assertive about 'all muslims believe in the five pillars of islam' - because that's simply not so. Go through the list I offered again and see for yourself. You should be able to pick out a few who don't give a rip about Muhammad or his doctrines, much less in what the Qur'an teaches about 'Allah' and a few fundamental things that you might have thought makes a happily united family in the Islamic flock.
It's understandable that you could never imagine yourself as a Christian - not because you worry about the factions in Christendom (for in all honesty you would have to worry about the more than 72 factions in Islam, possibly more). The reason for your disaffection with Christianity is simply the dogma that has been dyed into your system, so that you rather can't honestly take an objective view of what you're being fed with in Islam.
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mukina2 (f)
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72 or 9 million i dont really care
did you day the true christains so wat bout the other factions are they not treu christians?
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Gwaine (m)
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@mukina2, 72 or 9 million i don't really care
did you day the true christains so what bout the other factions are they not treu christians?
dearie, let's not fight over this issue - the heat doesn't belong to either of us. I notice your fiingers are shaky and you're confusing me with your typos. So, 72 or 9 million shouldn't upset you so much - it's just not worth poking a stick in other people's faith if you can't take a nudge at yours. Ciao. |
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mukina2 (f)
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@Gwaine ma bad  makin few typos happens to evrione am not mad no infact i'll like you to come up wit more interestin facts cuz when i come up wit mine u'll run so now its your turn av fun sweet dreamz  |
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