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babyosisi (f)
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Mukina2,yes you all believe in the 5 pillars of Islam and would have no problems blowing each other up even in mosques,pillars aside.No be true I talk? To refresh your mind Sunni,Shiite.
Is it just me or do these muslims on this forum deliberately act ignorant in the face of all that is happening around them.
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mukina2 (f)
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we know wat is happening. the west is tryna portray Islam as a religion of miscrants and terrorist
are muslims the only one that terrorise the world? are muslims the only suicide bombers honestly i dont know why but the christians on NL never seem to know wat to say
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babyosisi (f)
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My dear quit blaming the west and everybody else,some of us have relatives that were killed in some of the Naija uprisings and the west had absolutely nothing to do with it
Give me a recent example of a Christian that blew people up in the name of Christ or slaughtered a bunch of Muslims after a cartoon or movie about Christ and I promise to rest my case.
The question you should be asking yourself truthfully is"How come a peaceful religion inspires nothing but hate in the followers",then open the Koran and your answers are right there. If you need me to post some of them,I certainly will oblige you.
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Gwaine (m)
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Em. . . muki-babe, thanks for blowing kisses my way. If only we'd all love up like that and forget the daggers drawn.  ______________________ Anyway, I just wonder, could you help me on this piece of inference in your post just above: are muslims the only suicide bombers So, who else have been bombing us all to oblivion? Who else have been suicide bombers - besides 'you know who'??
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mukina2 (f)
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wat bout the chehyan rebels?
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Gwaine (m)
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What did you just call them - rebels? Does that not answer your question? At least, no "rebel" is promised any virgin in paradise for blowing up anyone for whatever reason. But the jihadist zealots who perpetrate their atrocities on everyone else get their inspiration from where, if not from the Qur'an and Muhammad's religion that promises them 72 virgins after they had bombed themselves and everyone else into oblivion.
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babyosisi (f)
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So Mukina you did not know they were muslims too?read on.
What major attacks are the Chechen groups responsible for? The most notorious and devastating attack came in 2004, when Basayev, ordered an attack on a school Beslan, a town in North Ossetia. More than 300 people died in the three-day siege, most of them children. There were thirty-two militants, all but three or four were non-Chechens, and all but one were reportedly killed during the siege.
Other attacks include:
In October 2005, at least eighty-five people were killed in street fighting in the southern Russian city of Nalchik after Chechen rebels assaulted government buildings, telecommunications facilities, and the airport. A three-day attack on Ingushetia in June 2004, which killed almost a hundred people and injured another 120. A December 2002 dual suicide bombing attack on the headquarters of Chechnya’s Russian-backed government in the Chechen capital, Grozny. Russian officials claim that international terrorists helped local Chechens mount the assault, which killed eighty-three people. Two Chechen men armed with grenades and other explosives were arrested in a Grozny market in December 2002. The October 2002 seizure of a Moscow theater where some 700 people were attending a performance. Russian special forces launched a commando raid, and the opium-derived gas they used to disable the hostage-takers killed more than 120 hostages, as well as many of the terrorists. Shamil Basayev, one of the most radical Chechen commanders, took responsibility for organizing the Moscow theater raid. A bomb blast that killed at least forty-one people, including seventeen children, during a military parade in the southwestern town of Kaspiisk in May 2002; Russia blamed the attack on Chechen terrorists. In Moscow, an August 1999 bombing of a shopping arcade and a September 1999 bombing of an apartment building that killed sixty-four people, and two more terrorist bombings in September 1999 in the neighboring Russian republic of Dagestan and southern Russian city Volgodonsk. Controversy still surrounds questions about whether these attacks were conclusively linked to Chechens. Are there links between Chechen groups and al-Qaeda? Experts cite several ties, including:
The late Chechen warlord Khattab, a Jordanian-born fighter who was killed in Chechnya in April 2002, and Osama bin Laden. Khattab apparently first met bin Laden while both men were fighting the 1979-89 Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The U.S. ambassador to Russia, Alexander Vershbow, said shortly after September 11, “We have long recognized that Osama bin Laden and other international networks have been fueling the flames in Chechnya.
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mukina2 (f)
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its not all of them that are rebels mind you
even isrealis have suicide bombers
the IRA in ireland have suicide bombers
a lot of terrorist orgs have suicide bombers
muslims are not the only ones
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Gwaine (m)
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I hear you. Still, that does not justify the existence and rationale of suicide bombers who strap themselves with explosives to destroy the precious lives of other people in the name of -
- an Arab prophet,
- a holy book,
- the desire to make Muslims of everyone, - and the expectation of 72 virgins in paradise when the smoke settles.
Personally as a Christian, any terrorist organization (including even those in Israel and Ireland) has no justification for its political ends. There are humane ways to deal with political issues that border on political maneuvering; but to take up terrorism with a religious undertone of "fighting God's cause" in hope of harvesting a seraglio of virgins is beyond me.
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Gwaine (m)
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Okay babe - you win! Now I know. 
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davidylan (m)
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its not all of them that are rebels mind you
even isrealis have suicide bombers
the IRA in ireland have suicide bombers
a lot of terrorist orgs have suicide bombers
muslims are not the only ones
Yes, but one major difference is that those other suicide bombers only bomb SPECIFIC targets. You dont get Isreali or IRA suicide bombers going off tangent to kill thousands of innocent people in Kenya, Madrid, India, USA, UK, Iraq, Afghanistan! Only a certain religion does not care who they murder so long as they murder!
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babyosisi (f)
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this love affair between Gwaine and mukina2 pass me O. gwaine wake up!!, have they enticed you with a virgin?lol
mukina2 for your info the IRA bomb(they have since calmed down),they are not as stupid as to blow themselves up so they have no suicide bombers. Israelis don't blow themselves up either.
The question you should be asking is how many Nigerians have been killed by IRA and Israelis then how many by Islamists?
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Gwaine (m)
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 . . . I thought someone called me. . . ?? this love affair between Gwaine and mukina2 pass me O. gwaine wake up!!, have they enticed you with a virgin?lol Lol. I'm awake - and no, they haven't enticed me with a virgin. muki-babe is cool - and yes, we should promote some smiles inbetween the fissures of our discourses. 
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mukina2 (f)
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Babyosis i wudnt know aw many nigerians cuz am not one  Gwaine hmmmmm 
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Gwaine (m)
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My dear, don't mind 'em o jaré. Whatz cooking??  >>> meanwhile, this is not one of those "mind games" to draw you into. . . 
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davidylan (m)
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Babyosis i wudnt know aw many nigerians because am not one  Of course you cant know since the IRA dont go around bombing Americans, Africans, Europeans in the name of whatever. Only muslims having little regard for human life do not mind killing innocent civilians just to make a statement. Why was Nairobi Kenya bombed? Madrid, India/bombay, Java, London? were these civilians the ones who sent their armies to Iraq? How many Americans even know where Iraq or Palestine is? Has Kenya ever sent even one policeman to the middle east? Are these al queada pple even thinking at all? why has Osama threatened Nigeria? What did we do?
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Gwaine (m)
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Are these al queada people even thinking at all? why has Osama threatened Nigeria? What did we do? Did he really? Okay, that makes it an even redder spot he's touching, because na me and Osama from henceforth! 
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mukina2 (f)
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Gwaine dont seal your lips say it  @davidylan why wud osama want to bomb nigeria? wat is kenya's own in isreal's wahala? those bombing in kenya where all targeted at isrealis
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davidylan (m)
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@davidylan why would osama want to bomb nigeria? what is kenya's own in isreal's wahala? those bombing in kenya where all targeted at isrealis
Madam stewing in your own ignorance, Here is a link to a 2003 transcript of one of Osama's tape recordings: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2751019.stmHere are his exact words: "We also stress to honest Muslims that they should move, incite, and mobilize the [Islamic] nation, amid such grave events and hot atmosphere so as to liberate themselves from those unjust and renegade ruling regimes, which are enslaved by the United States. They should also do so to establish the rule of God on earth. The most qualified regions for liberation are Jordan, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, the land of the two holy mosques [Saudi Arabia], and Yemen."Please ask Osama why he included Nigeria in his reign of terror! How stupid is it that the bombings in Kenya was targeted at Isrealis. First question: 1. why? 2. Why on Kenyan soil? How many Kenyans were killed and how much infrastructure was destroyed just to kill a few Jews? The same muslims are yelling that "innocent" lebanese are being killed for the sins of a "few" hizbollah militants.
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mukina2 (f)
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hey!!! no need to insult pls
i asked a question thats all
had i known wud i av asked you?
he probably included nigeria cuz your northern path practices sharia law
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jagunlabi (m)
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And here i am thinking that christians use the mindgame stuff more than any other religion out there.Ish!
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Softee (f)
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When i say mind games. I mean lies and ignorance mainly. A true Christian does not lie and use ignorance to draw a person to God. Since Christianity is alive, God can do the rest. However, since islam has no spirit it takes ignorange and lies to draw people in to islam and try hard to ignore the truth. I mean how many people will choose to enter a community who respect and idolise a "Prophet" who slept with a 9 year old (excluding pedophiles).
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nuru (m)
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Surah 3: Al-i-Imran (The Family Of 'Imran, The House Of 'Imran)
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
1. A. L. M.
2. Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
3. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
4. Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution.
5. From Allah, verily nothing is hidden on earth or in the heavens.
6. He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. There is no god but He, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
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babyosisi (f)
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Allah is a god indeed. You said it not me.
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m4malik (m)
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Well, what could one say? 
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nuru (m)
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Al QURAN
Surah 17: Al-Isra (The Night Journey, Children Of Israel)
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Verses 22. Take not with Allah another object of worship; or thou (O man!) wilt sit in disgrace and destitution.
23. Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour.
24. And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: "My Lord! bestow on them thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood."
25. Your Lord knoweth best what is in your hearts: If ye do deeds of righteousness, verily He is Most Forgiving to those who turn to Him again and again (in true penitence).
26. And render to the kindred their due rights, as (also) to those in want, and to the wayfarer: But squander not (your wealth) in the manner of a spendthrift.
27. Verily spendthrifts are brothers of the Evil Ones; and the Evil One is to his Lord (himself) ungrateful.
28. And even if thou hast to turn away from them in pursuit of the Mercy from thy Lord which thou dost expect, yet speak to them a word of easy kindness.
29. Make not thy hand tied (like a niggard's) to thy neck, nor stretch it forth to its utmost reach, so that thou become blameworthy and destitute.
30. Verily thy Lord doth provide sustenance in abundance for whom He pleaseth, and He provideth in a just measure. For He doth know and regard all His servants.
31. Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin.
32. Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
33. Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).
34. Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
35. Give full measure when ye measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight: that is the most fitting and the most advantageous in the final determination.
36. And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
37. Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou canst not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height.
38. Of all such things the evil is hateful in the sight of thy Lord.
39. These are among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.
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m4malik (m)
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22. Take not with Allah another object of worship; or thou (O man!) wilt sit in disgrace and destitution.
23. Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour.
39. These are among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.
You guys should stop going round these confusions. Islam is not monotheistic, because if anyone reads the Qur'an with an open mind and heart, we see that what is expressly forbidden is the very thing that the "Allah" of the Qur'an sanctions. As long as the "Allah" of Islam is a " WE" and thus joins partners with himself in creation, prayer and worship, there's no talk of monotheism in that religion. QED.
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nuru (m)
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Al Quran
Surah Ya-sin Chapter 36:
Vs 10.
" The same is it to them whether thou admonish them or thou do not admonish them: they will not believe. "
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m4malik (m)
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There are so many verses like that in the Bible warning against blind obstinacy -
And whether they hear or refuse to hear (for they are a rebellious house) they will know that a prophet has been among them. - Ezek. 2:5.
And you shall speak my words to them, whether they hear or refuse to hear, for they are a rebellious house. - Ezek. 2:7.
In the claim that Islam is monotheistic, Muslims would have to answer the question as to who the "Allah" of the Qur'an was joining with himself in the use of 'WE' in matters of creation, prayer and worship.
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babyosisi (f)
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m4malik,you are God-sent here. I never knoew they were mentions of 'we' in the Koran.
Do you also know that Mohammed never read the bible?. All the bible quotations he attempted in the koran were from stories he heard from a Christian slave boy,no wonder it was a bunch of mumble jumble like referring to Ishmael as the son Abram offered up for sacrifice than Isaac. The account of the birth of Jesus is most hilarious.
nuru,you try o,flip to the area where the Koran tells you about the followers of Christ being victorious at the end and where Mohammed asked for forgiveness for his numerous sins.
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firdaus4us
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Hello my Christian Brother, pls do read the verses below perchance you may guided:
And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (5:116)
"Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship God, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things. (5:117)
"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise." (5:118)
God will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: God well-pleased with them, and they with God: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires). (5:119)
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