|
emmie4j (m)
|
I have posted this question as part of my reply to some topic but for some reason it has never been addressed by muslims on this site. It is a very common practice not only in the middle-east but also among muslims in Africa to have really young (underage) girls given to older (adult) men in marriage. Infact there was a case in Afghanistan where the girl (7 years old) was given to a 40 year old man, and she had her first child at 10. This is a very common practice amongst muslims especially in the middle east. SO I researched the topic and found out that their "prophet" mohammed also got married to underage girls including a 9 year old. In the west this is called pediophilia and I just feel in my hear that there is something fundamentally wrong with this behavior. First not only does it deny the girl her fundamental right to choose whom to marry as an adult but it also has a lot of medical implications to be get a young child involved sexually at that age. SO will this make mohammed a pedophile??? will it mean that islam is incompactible with democracy and the fundamental right of women to choose and equality? What does it also say about the UN which included in its human right organisation countries where these practices are common place?
Please I will appreciate it if we stay on topic and make the answers as precise as possible
|
|
|
|
|
|
4get_me (m)
|
By any standard, Muhammad was wrong to have taken Aisha at the age of 6 and consummated that marriage when she was 9 y.o. Most muslims would not really want to face up to the fact that Aisha was actually that young, and some would go so far as to ignore her testimony about this in the hadith and several other Islamic sources.
The implications are far reaching. For one, we have no substantial documented evidence that Aisha's consent was sought before she was married off to Muhammad. Again, for a man who claimed to be leading people in the right way, we would have expected a precedence for responsible ethics. However, most muslims would argue that child-brides were the vogue of the day back then, and Muhammad just simply followed through with the practice. Today, while most Muslims, especially in the West, would consider it unthinkable to hand their underaged daughters to much older men, the practice has become the norm for several Muslims in the East who try to emulate Muhammad.
On the whole, one cannot take Muhammad's sexual conduct as exemplary of responsible relationships between men and women who seek to pursue a knowledge of the true God.
|
|
|
|
|
|
mukina2 (f)
|
huever posted this may Allah av mercy on you  la tata kalam  |
|
|
|
|
|
Gwaine (m)
|
You don't need to be upset about anything. You may not like what you're reading, but go research and find out about the Bedouin prophet Muslims have been made to hinge your faith on. May God have mercy on all who put their faith in the pedophile. Is it not true that he took a 6 year old to wife without her consent? And what do you make of that?
Besides sef, he was a womanizer par excellence, and he himself confessed that he was a sinner - in so much as to stagger the mind that he was asking for forgiveness seventy times in a day! Read it yourself:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying." By Allah! I ask for forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance
more than seventy times a day."
-- Sahih Bukhari, Invocations Volume 8, Book 75, Number 319
The topic is asking a question: Was Mohamed A Pedophile ? Answer: Yes he was! Not to even mention the many women that passed through his sleeping hut. Research this Quraish self-proclaimed Prophet Muhammad - he was not what he said he was. His morality was far from that of a 'holy' vocation.
|
|
|
|
|
|
mukina2 (f)
|
wa'ever u know this topic will bring unnecessary war why bring it up? i rest ma case |
|
|
|
|
|
Gwaine (m)
|
wh'ever it would bring and has brought, it's high time to examine this man called Muhammad and his claims.
|
|
|
|
|
|
New (m)
|
Is this thread justified? I am sure we are all aware that during the time of Mohammed it was common practice worldwide for mature men to get married to pre-teen girls. (Still being practised in some countries like America, today).
Although we now know it is illegal and greatly immoral, back then it wasn't considered to be.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Gwaine (m)
|
Dear New,
During the time of Muhammad, there were many things that were in common practice:
# Sexual Promiscuity
# Immorality Under The Guise of 'Revelation' (aka 'False Prophet PLC')
# Maltreatment of Women
# Religious Intolerance
. . . etc.
If a man declares himself a 'prophet' who tried to lead people aright, should his claims to prophethood not be examined? Could anyone justify the immorality of such a prophet? Why should anyone make excuses for the pedophilic adventures of the Bedouin self-declared prophet called Muhammad? If people were engaging in pedophilia, sexual promiscuity, maltreatment of women, and religious intolerance, should it be thinkable that a 'Phophet' should join the flow (so to speak) under the guise of "revelation", and not rather have sought to lead the people aright with integrity and moral foresight?
The excuse that "it was common practice worldwide" to do this, that and the other, does not justify a 'holy' prophet engaging in the same acts, much less that of marrying a "pre-teen" for crying out loud! What was wrong back then is wrong now - or the book the Quraish prophet left behind as a legacy would be short-changing his followers.
|
|
|
|
|
|
diddy4 (m)
|
i think im gon like this topic. xtianity has been criticized for so long, about time i see some muslim critics.
so he was a pedophile huh? wow, nice. and he is the prophet too? wow, so interesting. tell me more please.
|
|
|
|
|
|
New (m)
|
Dear New,
During the time of Muhammad, there were many things that were in common practice:
# Sexual Promiscuity
# Immorality Under The Guise of 'Revelation' (aka 'False Prophet PLC')
# Maltreatment of Women
# Religious Intolerance
. . . etc.
If a man declares himself a 'prophet' who tried to lead people aright, should his claims to prophethood not be examined? Could anyone justify the immorality of such a prophet? Why should anyone make excuses for the pedophilic adventures of the Bedouin self-declared prophet called Muhammad? If people were engaging in pedophilia, sexual promiscuity, maltreatment of women, and religious intolerance, should it be thinkable that a 'Phophet' should join the flow (so to speak) under the guise of "revelation", and not rather have sought to lead the people aright with integrity and moral foresight?
The excuse that "it was common practice worldwide" to do this, that and the other, does not justify a 'holy' prophet engaging in the same acts, much less that of marrying a "pre-teen" for crying out loud! What was wrong back then is wrong now - or the book the Quraish prophet left behind as a legacy would be short-changing his followers.
Gwaine, The people (European missionaries) that brought christianity to Africa, America and other parts of the world were also into pre-teen unions. So who are we to judge. Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged." Instead of putting all our energies into what happened centuries ago, lets put them into what is happening now (global hunger, Aids/Diseases, Terrorism, sectarian violence, racism etc) and what the future should be or what we would like it to be. |
|
|
|
|
|
Gwaine (m)
|
@New,
You're definitely correct in your analysis; but why should we not judge the activities of those shameless and pretentious Euro-Missionaries who played with those innocent African gals? Not all European missionaries actually indulged, but my Bible says of those who come knocking under the cloak of having been sent, that we should judge their actions, motives and goals:
John 7:24 - "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
1 John 4:1 - "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
We could make our communities a better place for ourselves and our neighbours if we gave more of our time, resources and energies into combating crime and injustice, while promoting the welfare of under-privileged folks (if only those chaps who are drawing up their next strategies for suicide bombings and other terrorists acts in the name of Muhammad's religion will listen!).
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orikinla (m)
|
Yes.
He was and the father of Aisha actually protested. But the prophet brushed his protest aside and raped the innocent girl-child at nine. But, a beautiful Christian maiden he abducted was the last straw that broke the camel's back. She poisoned him and he did not survive.
These are the facts the fanatics want to hide from the rest of the world and use terrorism to silence the millions who want to be freed from the bondage of this religious falsehood.
I have already addressed this on blogs and the truth will inherit the earth.
Jesus Christ said the truth will set us free.
I will not say more than this.
Finis.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Gwaine (m)
|
Orikinla,
You surely must be kidding. Abu Bakr (Aisha's father) protested? Muhammad was poisoned? I haven't heard most of the stuff you wrote other than about his marriage to Aisha at a tender age.
|
|
|
|
|
|
DaHitler (m)
|
Society would have to decide what is pedophilia and what is not. Keep in mind that during the time of Mohamed, people in their mid thirties would be considered really old. So, marrying off what we now consider children (8-10 years old) would have been the equivelent of marrying a 22 yead old in todays society.
Lastly, I am not in any way a supporter of Mohamed or Jesus. Truth be told, I hate their Gods. Gods of foreigners should die!
Accept Oduduwa, Obatanla, Ogun and Sango or die!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Gwaine (m)
|
Truth be told, Oduduwa, Obatanla, Ogun and Sango are long dead, buried, twice buried and stone dead - and it will do nobody any good to believe in or accept them.
Lastly, I'm not in support of Muhammad, but s believer in Jesus Christ. Muhammad was a pedophile by any and all standards - past, present and future. Marrying a child without her consent in any era - past or present - is not considered the equivalent of marrying an adult.
|
|
|
|
|
|
charlesn (m)
|
Afeni please do not sound like a fool! There is only one true God! He sent his son to die for you and i so that through his death we shall have life and have it more abundantly. Shalom!
|
|
|
|
|
|
retro (f)
|
I read every post that was made and it still comes down to one thing: who in their right mind would sleep with a 6 year old? A fcuking 6 year old. That is messed up.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Gwaine (m)
|
@babyosisi, that was something! I've heard the 'rumours' a couple of times but since there were no 'sources' offered by those discussing it previously with me on other blogs, I didn't like to make reference to it so as not to promote rumours. I needed facts - and thank you for coming to my help.
|
|
|
|
|
|
babyosisi (f)
|
People usually ask for forgiveness and make peace on their death bed,see what the man Mohammed said when he had a chance to repent of his many sins.
D7
From Ibn Sa'D page 322:
When the last moment of the prophet was near, he used to draw a sheet over his face; but when he felt uneasy, he removed it from his face and said: "Allah's damnation be on the Jews and the Christians who made the graves of their prophets objects of worship."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
babyosisi (f)
|
Yes Mo was dirty dirty man and it's been proven time and time again
|
|
|
|
|
|
mukina2 (f)
|
Astaqfirulah!
|
|
|
|
|
|
phoenixman
|
i wont even bother to read the above comments. but i have always noted that people that publicly
embrace a faith, be it Christianity or Judaism or Muslim always seem to be the biggest hypocrites, liars and untrustworthy.
was that guy a pedophile?
could be. nothing is impossible on the face of this earth.
|
|
|
|
|
|
dblock (m)
|
Astaqfirulah neutralised
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
abdkabir (m)
|
No, Muhammad was not a Pedophile. THe bethroting of Aisha (R.A) to Rasulullah (S.A.W) was not abnormal with respect the cultural practices of those days.
Cultural practices which were considered to be Morally right.If memory serves me right Aisha was bethroted to Rasulullah at the age of Nine but did not move to the prophet's house till later(i can remem ber now how late).Its always difficult to asses a case without considering the prevailimng circumstance.
Allow me set an Example, in some part of the world, Family members greet one another by Kissing(lip2lip), that would be considered totally absurd in the Some other Parts.So context is always important in analysis of this nature.
I have always said , there are complexities in religious discourse and one has to be quite careful when making accusations. How would u feel if i had accused Jesus(R.A) as being a Pedophile or 2 have slept with Mary Magdalene. Even if u had such doubt there are ways of putting it through in a non intimidating environment. We should remember "Respecting people ideas."
May the Curse of God be on all non repentant Pedophiles!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
abdkabir (m)
|
Na u Sabi, one tries to explain.  Still u no wan Hear! |
|
|
|
|
|
oyb (m)
|
hmm,
i think its time to start a thread on christianity and modern prophets
jim jones, david koresh, reverend king.
lets not forget all the evil that has been done through the centuries in the name of christianity
the spanish inquisition, those pedophile priests in new york, the suppression of modern science(read galileo)
christians always love thrashing islam, and so many of u are so BLIND.jesus and mohamed both came out of the middle east, so why is jeseu always depicted a white, blue eyed and blond?
anyway back to the topic, why don't you post your verified sources. i can't begin 2 count te number of lies ill informed christians spread about islam by word of mouth.am sure, like so many of his kind, Gwaine is just repeating what his pastor told him.
anyway beleive in whatever you want 2 beleive.jesus , the trinity, revernd king .thats what judgement day is for.
|
|
|
|
|
|
oyb (m)
|
plus, since muslims don't beleive in any of that shit about being born again and washed clean, we ask for forgivnrss as often as we can.why do u think we're mandated to pray five times a day?
like so many typical nigerians christians you can't be bothered 2 actually study islam. no you just repeat what your demagogue pastors have told you
|
|
|
|
|
|
babyosisi (f)
|
don't change the topic dear.
Was Mohammed a pedophile and rapist?
A resounding yes!
|
|
|
|
|
|
![Nairaland [Nigerian Forum] Home](http://www.nairaland.com/Themes/default/images/english/home.gif)
Author
