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plus_Queen
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reindeer do you live in the USA ?
Christ forgave you the minute you asked him to.
That's how loving he is.
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dudu19 (m)
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I really think religion is a belief, I also believe being a muslim does not mean u are unrighteous. I was born into a christain family and tend to get along better with my muslim friends one thing i know is we all worship the same God the only difference is the way we go about worshipping God, i also have loads of christain friends and am able to realise that being a certain religion cannot tell how upright you are, I know some alhajis and alhajas who ve also converted to christains. I really think we should praise the muslim for having to worship God. Come to think of it what would u say about the majority of the white folks that don't believe God do exist  |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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Eargerly awaiting it !
Jesus bu eze
Jesus is king
I've sent it. Could you open the file I attached? |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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Thanks all
I'm sure i stil need more prayers
some of the things i said about jesus i now regret and hope that he forgives me everything.
At least i sleep easy now and know that if i should die this minute, it wont be a loss to me, at least ill get to see him face to face,i'D really love that. You will always be in my prayers. The Lord Jesus will perfect His love in your life. |
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davidylan* (m)
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Mr. Reindeer, i just had to find a way to log in and say BROTHER . . . WELCOME to the body of Christ and to the fellowship of the saints. The blood is never in short supply, His grace is sufficient for you.
I fear not those who can ban my ID but cannot ban my soul in hell.
Just to make you laugh a little bit, i will remind you of a man like you who could not answer so many questions but understood one important thing . . .
John 9:13They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.
14And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
15Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
16Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
17They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
18But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.
19And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?
20His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:
21But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.
22These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
23Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.
24Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.
25He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
My brother, i was once like you . . . but as a child i had just one answer . . . whether Christ be real or not, i know not: one thing i know, once i was blind, destitute nd sick but now i see!
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joshjosh (m)
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I really think we should praise the muslim for having to worship God. Come to think of it what would u say about the majority of the white folks that don't believe God do exist mmmmmmmmmmm you mean for beating or fighting the infidels. as we speak see what some misguided people are doing for their god. please note the dates. lets stop at only naija's bus stop for now [b]A question of will 01/09/2008[/b] http://dynamic.csw.org.uk/article.asp?t=response_article&id=245 Michael Oluwasesin knows that stubbornness isn’t an option, particularly when it’s God who’s calling the shots. And while embracing God’s will may sometimes throw up problems, for anyone who has chosen to follow Him, it is the only possible solution. Deep in conversation with CSW staff, Michael Oluwasesin speaks candidly about his experiences, recalling a time just one year ago when life as he knew it changed forever. Suddenly, he is distracted by the sound of giggling. Breaking off midsentence, he gazes over towards the sofa and watches his two young children as they clamber over CSW’s Finance Director. As Michael’s mind drifts back to a happier time, his dark eyes sparkle, and his mouth stretches into a broad grin. A few seconds later, the events of the past year come rushing back. He drops his head slightly as the smile fades from his lips. Then, mustering all his faith and dignity, he sighs deeply and succumbs to a will higher than his own. “For God to have allowed it, something good must come out of it,” he reflects. Painful memories Michael’s words, spoken with overwhelming conviction and grace, are made all the more poignant as his harrowing story unfolds. It was March 2007, and Michael’s wife, Christiana, was supervising a religious studies exam at the Gandu Government Day Secondary School in Gombe. Catching one of her Muslim students cheating in an exam, Christiana confiscated a paper with Arabic inscriptions which the student had hidden in a book. The student went on to accuse her of tearing a copy of the Qur’an, despite the protestations of Christiana and a Muslim teacher, who confirmed that this feature was not in fact true. Enraged, a mob of students attacked Christiana, and were soon joined by local residents who had come to investigate. Stoned, stripped, beaten and stabbed, Christiana’s body was then burned beyond recognition. A context of conflict Christiana’s death came just a year after cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad were published in a Danish newspaper, causing violence and tension to spread throughout central and northern Nigeria. In total, 57 churches were destroyed in the Borno State capital of Maiduguri, and 65 Christians were murdered. Sadly, outbreaks of inter-religious violence in these parts of Nigeria litter the past of a country where Muslims and Christians are more or less equal in number. In 1999, several of the northern states announced their intention to implement the Shari’ah penal code. Since then, over 60,000 people have died in religious violence, the majority of whom were non-Muslims. While organised inter-religious violence may be periodic but extreme, daily life for Christians in Shari’ah states consists of a veneer of normality which barely masks an underlying reality of chronic discrimination and tension. Discrimination in employment, education and access to services is commonplace, while churches face their own restrictions with regards to the construction of church buildings. Meanwhile, proponents of full Shari’ah law argue that it is only applicable to Muslims: a view not shared by the Christian community. In addition, since 2005, the abduction of Christian girls and women in northern and central Nigeria, and their subsequent forcible conversion to Islam, has become an increasingly familiar tale. Worse still, many abductees are minors under both Nigerian and international law at the time of their ordeal. Rising from the rubble For Michael and his family, suffering is a raw and ever-present emotion. Having since moved to the south of the country, Michael and his children continue to be haunted by their tragedy. But while instinct initially dredged up feelings of anger, revenge and confusion, Michael has learnt to place his faith and future in God’s hands. Now, he likens Christiana’s death to that of Jesus’. And having walked through the garden of Gethsemane himself, Michael has learnt to embrace God’s will and higher purposes. Now, he is determined to honour his wife’s memory in a way she would have wanted. A deeply compassionate and caring woman, Christiana had a special place in her heart for underprivileged people suffering from HIV-AIDS. Michael, in his determination to keep her memory alive, has therefore launched the Christiana Oluwasesin AIDS Foundation, which will provide humanitarian assistance to those infected with HIV-AIDS, and will also seek to assist victims of persecution. Justice Back in Gombe, the trial of Christiana’s killers has resumed after being temporarily halted when the presiding judge was called to urgent (and legitimate) federal duties elsewhere. While a recent visit to the area confirmed that the atmosphere in Gombe is markedly less repressive, many Christians in northern and central areas still face religious persecution and violence on a daily basis. Gombe remains a volatile area, and as the trial of Christiana’s killers begins in earnest, fears of fresh waves of violence are never far away. In light of this, the Chairman of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) in Gombe, Anglican Bishop Henry Ndukuba, who in the past survived an attempted assassination, requests continued prayer for peace and for the safety of Christians in the area: “Keep on praying, keep on hoping, and the Lord will perfect what He has started”. Power to change CSW, together with our local partners, continues to work tirelessly for Christians in northern and central Nigeria, campaigning to ensure that justice, peace and equality become a reality. We visit Nigeria on a regular basis, uncovering the truth and bringing hope to hundreds of Nigerian Christians suffering religious persecution. What’s more, we’re lobbying key local and international targets so that people like Michael will have their voices heard and will see justice done. "Keep on praying, keep on hoping, and the LORD will perfect what he has started." http://dynamic.csw.org.uk/article.asp?t=news&id=768Nigeria: churches damaged in religious violence ordered to vacate premises 01/08/2008The congregations of two churches that were extensively damaged last year during religious violence in the Tudun-Wada area of Kano State, northern Nigeria, have been ordered to vacate their premises to make way for the construction of a court house. The leaders of the Baptist Church and Evangelical Church of West Africa (ECWA) were informed of a decision by the Kano State Ministry of Justice to compulsorily purchase their church sites during a meeting with Tudun-Wada’s Village Head on 29 July 2008. The church leaders were also instructed to immediately vacate their premises, and to name a price for their sites. When they requested more time in order to consult their respective denominational authorities, the men were told to return within two days, or risk losing the land and any compensation. However, during a meeting with church officials on 31 July that was also attended by local representatives of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) and members of a Nigerian human rights NGO, the Village Head finally agreed to provide the churches with new sites and certificates of ownership for these sites. A meeting to finalise all outstanding issues will take place on 13 August. The Baptist and ECWA churches were largely destroyed in September 2007, when violence broke out in Tudun-Wada following still unproven allegations that a Christian student at the local high school had drawn a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed on the wall of the school’s mosque. At least nine Christians were killed, roughly 1000 were displaced, Christian homes and businesses were set on fire and around ten churches were destroyed during four hours of unremitting violence. Although they are yet to be fully rebuilt, the two churches are currently catering for Christians of all denominations, whose damaged churches are located in neighbourhoods that have effectively become “no-go” areas for non-Muslims. However, local reports indicate that both churches are regularly desecrated and have to be cleared of human bodily waste before every Church service. Stuart Windsor, National Director of CSW said: “An inordinate number of Kano’s churches have either been destroyed during religious violence, or demolished by state authorities to make way for construction projects. So far, none have received adequate compensation, alternative sites, or certificates of ownership, even when these have been promised. Consequently, while this public verbal agreement on the part of Tudun-Wada’s Village Head is a very welcome development, we urge him to follow through on this commendable undertaking. If adhered to, it could contribute significantly towards the search for justice, reconciliation and religious harmony in Kano State.” |
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Nimshi
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I fear not those who can ban my ID but cannot ban my soul in hell. You've been banned too? People shouldn't be banned for expressing opinion; it's not that people're advocating illegal acts. Silencing dissent isn't just the way. . |
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plus_Queen
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Mr. Reindeer, i just had to find a way to log in and say BROTHER . . . WELCOME to the body of Christ and to the fellowship of the saints. The blood is never in short supply, His grace is sufficient for you.
I fear not those who can ban my ID but cannot ban my soul in hell.
Just to make you laugh a little bit, i will remind you of a man like you who could not answer so many questions but understood one important thing . . .
John 9:13They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.
14And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
15Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
16Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
17They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
18But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.
19And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?
20His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:
21But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.
22These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
23Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.
24Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.
25He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
My brother, i was once like you . . . but as a child i had just one answer . . . whether Christ be real or not, i know not: one thing i know, once i was blind, destitute nd sick but now i see!
My brother you too? Jesus remains Lord of all. I just got an email from pilgrim. The testimonies from that testimony are amazing! I have never been this excited within a 24 hr period! Wow! God is moving in a tremendous way. I wish those individuals could have the courage to post it here themselves. |
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dudu19 (m)
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@joshjosh the thing i would very much like to know is, whilst the muslims were maiming and destroying churches as u've said, did the christains fight back |
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davidylan* (m)
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You've been banned too?
People shouldn't be banned for expressing opinion; it's not that people're advocating illegal acts.
Silencing dissent isn't just the way.
my brother its nothing new.  Christians have their threads locked, they are harrassed and banned all the day . . . Heb 12:4 says - we have not yet striven unto blood against sin. When we run out of names to use we'll stop logging in. Until then i will be here to support my brothers and sisters here in the Lord. |
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joshjosh (m)
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bible says in 2 Corinthians 4 (New King James Version) note verses 7 - 12 very well
1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Cast Down but Unconquered
7[b] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us. 8 We are hard-pressed on every side, yet not crushed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed— 10 always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. 11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So then death is working in us, but life in you. [/b]
13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I believed and therefore I spoke,”[a]we also believe and therefore speak, 14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you. 15 For all things are for your sakes, that grace, having spread through the many, may cause thanksgiving to abound to the glory of God.
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joshjosh (m)
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. Until then i will be here to support my brothers and sisters here in the Lord. Amen brother david The testimonies from that testimony are amazing!
I have never been this excited within a 24 hr period!
Wow!
God is moving in a tremendous way.
I wish those individuals could have the courage to post it here themselves.
pressure brings out the best in Christians. you are in my prayers my dear sister. victory victory halleluyah |
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Nimshi
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my brother its nothing new. Christians have their threads locked, they are harrassed and banned all the day . . . Heb 12:4 says - we have not yet striven unto blood against sin. When we run out of names to use we'll stop logging in. Until then i will be here to support my brothers and sisters here in the Lord. Well, I will be standing shoulder to shoulder with you on this. Moderators: it is only fair to unlock the thread on the testimony of conversion. This locked thread remains a symbol of control and injustice. And do reinstate those who've been banned. . |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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I wish those individuals could have the courage to post it here themselves. I have begged, and begged, and begged them to sign into the Forum and post their testimonies themselves, if for nothing, so that people on Nairaland will see for themselves that I was not making fictitious claims about any emails. They simply declined to do so. All the same, I am still begging some of them, even though they are still declining. Everyone has a perculiar view on the realities of life and what they say Jesus did for them. The one thing that those two ladies (remember?) have advised me is that I should not even attempt to engage in any argument or debates with anyone. They hated it when I wasted time doing so; and reading my testimony proved to be more helpful to them. I see their point, and I would refrain from entering into any arguments with our dear Muslim friends. Let Christ be glorified - for He is the One who is stirring the hearts of people and ultimately saving and blessing them. Here, pilgrim.1 does not matter and must decrease - and Jesus Christ must increase, for He is Lord indeed. Bless you. |
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joshjosh (m)
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They hated it when I wasted time doing so; and reading my testimony proved to be more helpful to them. I see their point, and I would refrain from entering into any arguments with our dear Muslim friends. please heed this advice. there is a spirit behind this religion. i have noticed years ago that arguing with them is completely useless. how do you argue with people who already close their mind before you even start the debate? just state your facts and let the Spirit of God do the work of reaching them. God bless you and protect you in Jesus name |
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Nimshi
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I have begged, and begged, and begged them to sign into the Forum and post their testimonies themselves, if for nothing, so that people on Nairaland will see for themselves that I was not making fictitious claims about any emails. They simply declined to do so.
All the same, I am still begging some of them, even though they are still declining. Everyone has a perculiar view on the realities of life and what they say Jesus did for them. The one thing that those two ladies (remember?) have advised me is that I should not even attempt to engage in any argument or debates with anyone. They hated it when I wasted time doing so; and reading my testimony proved to be more helpful to them. I see their point, and I would refrain from entering into any arguments with our dear Muslim friends.
Let Christ be glorified - for He is the One who is stirring the hearts of people and ultimately saving and blessing them. Here, pilgrim.1 does not matter and must decrease - and Jesus Christ must increase, for He is Lord indeed.
Bless you.
Well, since these are testimonies, those who have them will post them at their own times, when they are ready. |
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plus_Queen
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I have begged, and begged, and begged them to sign into the Forum and post their testimonies themselves, if for nothing, so that people on Nairaland will see for themselves that I was not making fictitious claims about any emails. They simply declined to do so.
All the same, I am still begging some of them, even though they are still declining. Everyone has a perculiar view on the realities of life and what they say Jesus did for them. The one thing that those two ladies (remember?) have advised me is that I should not even attempt to engage in any argument or debates with anyone. They hated it when I wasted time doing so; and reading my testimony proved to be more helpful to them. I see their point, and I would refrain from entering into any arguments with our dear Muslim friends.
Let Christ be glorified - for He is the One who is stirring the hearts of people and ultimately saving and blessing them. Here, pilgrim.1 does not matter and must decrease - and Jesus Christ must increase, for He is Lord indeed.
Bless you.
I am excited y'all. wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't contain myself Please if those people are reading this including the lady that says "I almost want to be a Christian" God knows who you are. He has seen your heart but you have to be bold enough to come out.Even if you don't tell us on nairaland, tell someone and keep dialoguing with pilgrim 1 I am also available through my e-mail and could help answer any questions you may have. Also you could tell someone who you know is a Christian and I know there are people who would take you in if you needed protection for your life. Pilgrim keep sharing the word in the e-mails with them. God is doing something wonderful through this You know you can always reach me. |
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joshjosh (m)
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I am excited y'all. Pilgrim keep sharing the word in the e-mails with them.
God is doing something wonderful through this You know you can always reach me. sister nwando, thanks for being there. God is on your side. you will not loose your reward. there is some party now in heaven |
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affee (f)
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I thank God and our Lord Jesus Christ for the souls that have been saved, and I pray they stand consistently in the faith
I thank God for the ministry of sister Pilgrim and her courage to share her story
I thank God for Queen and every other believer on nairaland whose life has been touched by the CONVERSION story.
Pilgrim you were saved for a reason and I want to believe that you have been called to preach the Gospel to the muslim community.
THE GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED EVEN TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH
JESUS IS LORD FOREVER
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Chrisbenogor (m)
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@david
You were banned too! Arrgh why now, which kind thing be this good thing they cannot stifle your voices, shout louder oh !
Chei.
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Gamine (f)
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This is just so wonderful.
JESUS is INDEED LORD!
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Chimechefu (m)
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@ all d CHRISTIANS, 2cor2:14 But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him. 15For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing.
@reindeer, ur are indeed welcome to the family of love, but i urge you to allow him 2 reveal Himself wholly via the HOLY GHOST 2 U. Study and meditate on the 4 gospels, i.e Matt, Mark, Luke,John and also, acts, Get BOOKS like SPIRIT WITHIN AND SPIRIT UPON, by kenneth Hagin, GOODMORNING HOLY SPIRIT by Benny Hinn 4 now and read with concentration.
@ All of us that are in the TRUTH, please, pray 4 us, 4 me, for you, and 4 us.
@ Those still searching, I pray u find him on TIME. JESUS loves u.[color=#990000]
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Gamine (f)
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Please don't introduce any book to the guy that isnt the Bible.
Those people are questionable.
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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Hi people, It's another great day and we can all rejoice for it. Well, since these are testimonies, those who have them will post them at their own times, when they are ready. @ Nimshi, you right and I agree. That is precisely what they said, reminding me that when the idea to share my testimony was first mooted, I had declined initially until I felt the time was ripe. So, I'll just keep them all in my prayers and wait for them to feel free to share their own experiences. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pilgrim keep sharing the word in the e-mails with them.
God is doing something wonderful through this
You know you can always reach me. @ plus_Queen, I knew I could always count on you. Thank you for sharing by email yesterday - that was great! I'll keep in touch with all 'em by whatever media - email, YIM and texts messages (yes, I got Seifa'a number and promised to be discreet with it - we're sharing some very profound issues that have opened my eyes as well). Please keep them all and us in our prayers. God bless you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pilgrim you were saved for a reason and I want to believe that you have been called to preach the Gospel to the muslim community. @ affee, thank you for that encouragement. In the past I've always been shy of doing that, usually often instead engaging Muslims in debates to "prove" one fallcy or the other. But from the events since the last 48 hours, there's been so much that seem to be directing my thinking towards sharing with Muslim (and other) friends. God bless you for your care and love. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @reindeer, ur are indeed welcome to the family of love, but i urge you to allow him 2 reveal Himself wholly via the HOLY GHOST 2 U. Study and meditate on the 4 gospels, i.e Matt, Mark, Luke,John and also, acts, . . .
@ All of us that are in the TRUTH, please, pray 4 us, 4 me, for you, and 4 us. @ Chimechefu, that was quite warm, and thank you for your encouragements to reindeer. Blessings and keep praying and rejoicing in His grace. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please don't introduce any book to the guy that isnt the Bible. @Gamine, missed you the last few days - so busy to have popped in the relevant threads and say a hello to you. Great to see you're doing well. I agree with you that people should be careful what they read: I speak from experience. Before my conversion, some well-meaning friends gave some good books to read on the subject of the Holy Spirit (as our tenet in Islam was quite different and teaches that angel Gabriel [Jibril] was the "holy spirit"). Because I was not yet mature in my thinking, I was not any wiser. I believe that when someone is truly saved, the Lord Jesus is able to help that person grow in the faith. The Word (Bible) is faithful and God has always used that as the sure food for the spirit of man. God bless you. |
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Chimechefu (m)
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@Gamine,
Please don't introduce any book to the guy that isnt the Bible.
Those people are questionable.
have u read those books yourself? why are u judging? if u think books are not relevant and u know and understand all when u read d bible, thank God for you. but as 4 me, books aids my understanding and is left 4 him 2 decide. Thanks, just don't be harsh on yourself because u are not d Holy Ghost that will guide him 2wards all things, what's ur measurement of PEOPLE BEING QUESTIONABLE? ans please.
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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if u think books are not relevant and u know and understand all when u read d bible, thank God for you. Guys, please let's not begin another argument. I don't think that Gamine was generalizing, so it is not quite appropriate to assume that she was saying that "books are not relevant". I think it is important that we allow people to begin with the Word, and then as the Holy Spirit guides them, they will ultimately be able to seek out further help in understanding issues in our faith towards the Lord Jesus Christ. As the Bible says: " Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing" [Php. 3:16]. |
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Backslider (m)
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@post
The muslims is not the issue. Their god is a Coward that is why he made a manual of terror. Any muslim you see is under the bondage to perform the manual of terror.
You have nominal muslims that are in relax Mode. Satan knows how to set them into Jihad Mode. The muslim god is a cunning one and he makes sure that all who worship him is deceived to beleiving Number will overcome.
Unwittingly this happens in "Christianity" where the backsliden tele Evangelist concerntrates on Number and a MANUAL OF PROSPERITY. If you take Prosperity from the tele evangelist they will collapse.
If you take away the manual of Terror from a muslim you will see that you have a better person ordinarily.
If you take the Right of a TRUE Christian he can operate and even better. Outward and Character Holiness is what the bible stresses
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@Backslider, The muslims is not the issue. Their god is a Coward that is why he made a manual of terror. Please, please and please, dear Backslider, try not to be too polarized. Even though I am a Christian, I know how Muslims feel when they read things like this from people who are supposed to be Christ-like. No, it is not the feeling of terrorism from extreme groups; but a feeling of further disaffection and alienation. I will guarantee you one thing (I know, because that is where I grew up): when you begin to use such tones, you will never, never help a Muslim find Christ! Go and test it out and see for yourself. It is like what one of my most respected teachers have succinctly stated: it is like cutting off someone's nose and then giving him a flower to smell - of what use is that to the victim? [ Ravi Zacharias] Please, try to be more friendly with those who you seek to help find the love of Jesus. It doesn't mean that you should stop telling the truth. The difference is that we should ask God's help to tell the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). Whatever anyone's deity is, leave it to God Himself. Love, respect, and integrity towards others is what will first attract their attention. But the moment you "cut off their noses", it would be a waste of time to give them the aroma of Christ to perceive. Regards. |
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olabowale (m)
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@Chrisbenogor: « #5 on: Yesterday at 11:34:56 PM » @reindeer
I commend you for finally finding what you are looking for, just a little note of caution, the muslims act the way they do because even for me there is no way you can explain their kind of God to anybody that loves peace. That said I too am on nairaland to search for the truth, pilgrim is a dear friend and I often tell her she is a Nasa creation because she too smart.
I guess that you will have the backbone (Opa eyin) to answer my questions, therefore, since "Jesus", is your "God!" Well, please tell me if God the father, in the Christian 3godheads ever worshipped "Jesus, your God" at anytime? Please give me a yes or no, and if you wish to explain your answer, you may do so afterwards. Did the God of the Children of Israel in Torah of Moses, worshipped your Christian god, "Jesus," at any time? I aslo need a yes or no answer, before any explanation if you wish to substantiate your answer. Well you must never forget that you call these questions upon yourself. Further, there is nothing that the Muslims are afraid of. Definitely, not from Jesus, (Isa bin Mariam (AS)) and for sure not from the total world christian body or all of mankind. There is no reason any man should be afraid of another. We are all creations of God Almighty who is One single Lord. Now that you have gone into the world of christianity you are just beginning in another search for the truth because even among the people that have peace there is a big tussle as to how to achieve that worship and communion with God, being just a "christian" alone cannot save one according to the christian standards so you will have to put in all other permutations that come with it, old generation protestant, new generation protestant , catholics and so on.
I agree, since there are so many sects with apparent and distinct dogmas or doctrines in Christianity. Sorry I will learn the terms soon enough. And when you are talking about peaceful people, I doubt if Christianity from my own prizm will qualify for it. Maybe the Buhhdist of Dalil Lama. Even them, they do have a human limit to sufferings. Thats what you have to consider in this case. What you people say in theory, you have never practiced in reality. So what good is it that you only mouth it, but your heart and body will never accept it when it really comes down to it? I love the personality of Jesus Christ, be careful and steady yourself for the next journey that is ahead, as for me they have not even cut into the core issues that bother me which is the authenticity of the book that is being used.
Even the same Jesus in the Bible reached his limit of patience, when he saw the "money exchangers," on the plaza, doing good business. His action went directly to the ahadith of Prophet Muhammad (AS), where one is encouraged to stop evil with one hands, if one has the power to do it. If one does not have full power or comparative advange to do it, then one should speak loudly against that evil. But if one is extremely weak to do either, at the very least one should hate that evil by heart, without any love for it. This last action is the weakest of the three. What did Jesus do? He overturned the tables of these "Shylocks," who were taking advantage of the poors among them, even though, they were instructed never to charge interest when they lend. The Israelites call interest Ribas, while the Arabs call it Riba (both languages are semitic, you know). Interestingly, today, the Jews which is the name that all israelite nations are now known by, are the biggest bankers (The Rothchilds, are good examples), charge interests on every penny they lend out. They even charge interest amongst themselves. This is a very direct example of their changing the words (commandments), from their places in the torah given to Moses. This is an example of the corruptions in the Bible. At least this one applies to the Old Testament. But since Jesus was so animated to the point that he acted out against the Exchangers, you would expect to find this very law restored in the New Testament. Do you have the injuction no to charge interest in the New testament and is it practiced by the total Christian body, which claim to follow Jesus? The answer is no. This also shows that the New Testament is just as corrupt (davidylan, this is for you. Enjoy). But the same peaceful Jesus, ordered his men to sell their clocks (a physical and tangible article), and purchase with the gain of that exchange, Swords. Sword is a material of war, at that time and era, and region. Today sword is still part of material of war. It was used in America revolution and civil wars, etc. Other forms of it, like knives and daggers are still in use, today. And the military are still using it in ceremonial duties. Remember the the proud, the few the marines? They carry the very same weaponry, swod. Please Mr. Apologist, can you do a better job at interpreting this instruction, from your god Jesus, to the using of "cash," to purchase "sword," as a non physical and actual sword? Please try because I want to see how you will give me a subjective opinion 'Interpretation," of what a primary 2 child will know, without any parental explanations. Can the cash for sword exchange to mean other than a physcical sword? These are just part of my iconoclastic argument that will turn your "peaceful" position about Jesus over its head. Maybe when you mean "peaceful," your Bible was comparing him to the hard workers, the earlier prophets who had to struggle to settle the obstinate Children of israel down in Palestine. Jesus didn't have to do any fighting. He did not have any enemy but had a ruler, Rome. It was Rome's place to do te heavy lifting for the nations of isreal (Israel and Judea, after The reigh of Prophet and king Solomon the Wise (AS)). Rome have to defend her protectorate. The same way England fought Argentina in defence of Falkland Islands, off the shore of Argentina! I am waithing to read from the pundits on these many matters. I will be disappointed if no one will at least try. It will only show that your beliefs are just what they are, but without any root in your hearts. Nimshi: What are you really? I guess you are like a fair weathered man. Or there is hypocracy somewhere there? Plus_Queen: How ya body? I will still make demand for my Egusi Stew. Pilgrim.1: Enikon ni mo hate e. Mo so fun pe ko mo nko to nso. She osha mo onje se? Davidylan*: Okare. Ojo jumo lo nfeni deni, lo nfola dola. |
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joshjosh (m)
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when you are tempted my brothers and sisters, may God give you the grace to say NOOOOOOOOO
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jennykadri
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when you are tempted my brothers and sisters, may God give you the grace to say NOOOOOOOOO
EXACTLY MY BROTHER,EXACTLY |
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idupaul
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@ mallam olabowale
why are u here, u always come to cause strife and end up nt getting banned. please leave this people and their thread .
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