What Are Muslims Scared Of?

na today? seun wont see that one oooooo

if na christian type am now,na ban immediately

@Jennykadry, Idupaul: Nothing I said is terrible. Read it and report to Seun, whatever you found offensive. Remember the topic of the thread? Pay attention, guys.

See here the posts of our beloved Christian bros and sis who received a spiritual awakening from pilgrim's testimony. How sweet and humble they post!
@Reindeer, if you are really confident in your new found faith, what do you care what muslims are scared of?

If you really want to know, muslims fear only the wrath of Allah! I say only!

We fear nothing and no one else! We seek refuge with Allah against shaytan the accursed.

We know and enjoy his Love which is limitless but we are not brainwashed into forgetting that if we become the people who have been led astray, He is just in punishment.

So if you indeed want truth in your life, Islam is the way to go. If you want to live in a dreamworld that is very fickle indeed, continue with you rants!

Word, may Allah strengthen you,

I forgot to add this -

I think the topic for this thread is very inappropriate. OP, I am happy you are finding enlightenment in Christianity and I understand you want to celebrate it however I think you could have gone about it getting the Muslims involved or disparaging their beliefs.

Just my two cents. . . for whatever it is worth.

how does sharing  ones testimony and experience disparage other peoples beliefs.

i have said here 2 years ago when there was no islamic militancy and fatuas here i was from a mole family and we are now christians.  there was no single wahala from anybody.  why has the net become a no go area for christians?  it cannot stand and it must not stand

@Sisikill,

Sorry I did not find where olabowale called jesus, "violent". I think you have been unduly harsh on him. Christians present Jesus as a meek and gentle lamb who turned the other cheek even before one was struck., And they make Islam out to be all about wars and "violence". Ola is only pointing out the truth from the bible itself and it's the right thing to do.

Let us be fair if we want to be and not get carried away by emotions. All that you posted is pretty much same as Olabowale posted.

One with Allah nko, is majority!

@Olabowale,

Allah is with you!

He pointed out the truth from the Bible? What truth? How has what he quoted proved that Jesus isn't a meek and gentle lamb who turned the other cheek? Because he told his disciples to buy swords and refused to sit back and fold his arms while people to defaced the house of God? This make him not meek and gentle?

Again I ask, if you or anyone sees someone making a mockery of the Mosque are you going to sit back and say nothing? Will it be considered MEEK and GENTLE not help people guard themselves?


I'm sorry you think I was unduly harsh on him, I don't think I was because I expected someone like him to know better than to use something like that to make a point for comparison. From a purely debating angle, it does not hold water. . . period.

@Sisikill
You are getting too worked up. You don't have to agree with me. Again you never pointed out where he used the word "violent" to describe Jesus. So pretty much, you accused him wrongly.


Comparison to/with what??

LOL! Getting worked up? Oy!

If you've read the thread and you don't get what he was trying to say with his quote

then there is no point discussing this further.

Hey, I am a big. . . HUGE believer in agreeing to disagree.

See, You understanding my point (or not) is not a matter of life and death for me.

I shall not worship that which ye worship.

Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion


Later, my sister in God, see you on a less "serious" thread. 

@Chrisbenegor:

Except when the posts of the Christians are lies against God and His Messenger, Isa (AS) bin Mariam, a prophet of Islam. Further when the Christians attack Prophet Muhammad (AS), there must be adequate response to that attack. They will have to be asked to present their proofs. Chris, you should know the ways of adults. This is not a school yard game.



While you are playing a passum or outright deceiving us, we the muslims, know that the prophets, were truly elects of God. And finally, there is no son of God!



The case of divisions in Islam is well explained in its proper details in at least one ahadith. The muslims will divide into 72 sects. I know that already.

But the lie that you are telling is appaulling. When you have 3 forms of god, are you actually inferring that the God that chose Moses became three under Jesus? You are a riot. I think the Knesset of Israel will love to hear that. That will be a surprise to all the Rabbis and the religious people of the various Yashivas, around the world!



Now apply the same principle to Christianity on Judaism. When Christianity says that the once upon a time, One God of the Jews is now 3 gods, you will have to agree, based on your argument above, that Christianity is 100% man made!



You whine, too much. Present your arguments. Islam is not shy to engage you. Please start the ball rolling. Did father god of the christian worshipped Jesus? Yes or no is the answer I need. I hope that is not too complicated for you. There is no need for interpretations, here.

Who depended and needed the other entity more, in order to survive? Father god or Jesus?
Who cried to the other for help: father god or Jesus? 

Olabowale, your capability for misunderstanding rather elementary things is legendary. It's getting tedious responding to you, but I'll attempt to re-educate you a bit. These're rather simple things; it's almost embarrassing to be spelling them out. It's no surprise that a few have made comments about the lean cerebral fibre of some of your submissions. Sorry, but you've earned it. You find it rather extremely difficult to process non-linear things. Here, another little help:

1) Of the great prophets, Jesus is about the most peaceful; I had earlier restricted the subjective "great" to the prophets who started a religion. To argue this point is to make a big fool of yourself. Stop struggling against facts.

2) Now, reread my post; here's the relevant part:  "Important observation, ayinba1. To portray Jesus only in this way is to spread a lie; it is a good deed that olabowale has pointed to it, and your words nail it." Did you miss the emphasis on "only"? It was there in the original, and it's still there. I mentioned your name because, even though you need no help in making a fool of yourself in decent gathering, you're not always bad, and you could make good points sometimes; this is fair on my part, even the Devil deserves his due. Jesus was peaceful, but it's a great mistake to portray him only as peaceful. He could get righteously angry, like he rightly did when people were messing up in a holy place. There's a more important aspect of not considering Jesus as peaceful, but let's suspend that for now so as not to completely confuse you.


You'd soon run through all possibilities. Like a spoilt child or a hedonistic adult, you're unable to postpone decision making until you've credible evidence. You'd earlier asserted that I am Shia; now, I must be Christian, or Something. What Something? Your foolishness is close to beign unforgivable; you speak loudly about things you don't know; and you don't know what you don't know; this is like infinite foolishness, and, frankly, it's scary. I can discuss the Christians because I know some of the bible; I can learn from them. And yes, I know Jesus the Christ is called the Lamb of God; not only because Lambs are portrayed as pure and rather 'peaceful', but because they also feature in sacrificial offerings; especially, spotless lambs are considered some of the best sacrifices in trado-Jewish culture. Even in the absence of knowledge, you should have figured that. But since most of what you know you memorised, the option of thinking things through isn't for you. Look, I may make mistakes - heck, I will make mistakes - but I will learn, and when clearer facts emerge, I will consider changing my opinion. Apparently, that sort of this isn't your thing. Stop making foolish assertions and concentrate on educating your mind; it's a parachute, but right now, it's stuck in your rear; not of much use.


You're laughable. So, where's the insight you got from the brother? Lay it bare here; let's see if you remember much of what you heard at all. And then, we'll see of you processed it in thought.

@Nimshi: « #86 on: Today at 09:01:39 AM »  

I agree, especially when those these are clearly borderline deceitful, from a camp that has made it its domain to lie and cheat! You happen to be one of them. You are behaving like a bat; partly rodent and partly bird. Yet both have no commonalities, since rodents are mammals and birds are not. What are you anyway? I can handle the christians direct deceitfulness. You almost act if you are prostituting truth, which is actually a lie. Please don't get me started.

You can't be a disinterested "observer," when you never for once stop bending the truth, so that you can be seen as a good guy. You think that mother sees a huck as a trustworthy caretaker of her chick? You must have misread me. Read me again, for the first time.



Lying fingers. Ibrahim started a religion; Islam that fitted his time. He was called a Hanifan. Hanifan being the believe in the sole lordship and godship of a single and complete invisible and unique God. It is further known that Hanifan completely destroys any sincilla of believe that there is any other deity with this single God. And Ibrahim is the only one believd by those who claim to be monotheists, as the "person friend" of God! I bet the christian will have to tell us how their Abraham of the Jewish Torah is the friend of Jewish single God, and when post Jesus religion, Christianity was formulated, this Abraham from the viewfinder of the Christians, he became a friend to First father god separately, since father god is a complete and separate god from others?

Then, the Christians will now have the burden of proofs, to tell us how the same Abraham is a full and separate friend to ghost god, without any dimishing quality from what Abraham has with father god. And of course, the same applies to son god who is Jesus! Get going on this matter, Nimshi. You are very funny. As Ibadan people say; Oo bami nbe!

And i had earlier asked you if in a church, is there anyone greater than the pastor who leads the "flock?" I asked you, and i hope you finally catch up to reason, is a baptister lower thn the baptisted? Think, man. You begin to devalue your stock rating with me. Before long it may become worthless junk bonds. Didn't John Baptised Jesus? Was John not even asked if he was Elijah? Are you a yoruba man? Maybe I need to speak yoruba to you to bring you back to your root?

Who was Jesus going to fight? The roman master? Didn't be "overturned" the money changers' table, their business tool, as he lay eyes on them doing "illegal business" at his father's "HOUSE?" And I read where somebody said that when two of his desciples showed him their swords, purchase with the sales of their clocks, he said that was enough. But they purchased swords as he had instructed them. There there were no need for swords, a thing needed in war, at that time, he would not have instructed them to do so.

Maybe you want to try, deceitfully (i am very subjective when I talk to a man who i know will deceive me. I always lead him on, with a clarity that he should know that i know that he will not be truthful, unless i force it shamefully out of him), to give me an off the wall explanation "interpretation," of why he asked them to buy swords, while they become poorer when it comes to clothes, except that he as preparing to fight, either as the offensive or defensive platton miltary general? Ogbeni, you will have to try harder.

And Moses did not kill anyone except by the will of his Lord.




No, I didn't. But did you miss her statement that the "Christians" only present Jesus their god as "meek and a lamb?" Have you ever seen any place that the Christians ever comment on the actuality of overturning the exchangers' table as an act of violence? Or the commandment to purchase swords with the sales of clocks as a preparation for possible miliatry confrontations? Please, don't humor me with irelevantly mundane issues. If you are joking, David Chappel will not have you as an opening act, any soon.




And in the company of evil doers, the one who hates evil is always an outcast! I feel you. Let me make a fool of myself for the pleasure of Allah. I am vey satisfied with my condition. At least i know what I hope is ahead for me; His Mercy and Forgiveness.




I am able to handle many things together, at the same time. i wan stand and talk at the same time. I can chew and walk at the same time. And just like you see Jesus getting angry at its appropriate place and time, so was Moses. But thats too complex for a simple mind. Sorry. I will not even try, because you will wore me out, asking for a repeat many time, again.




The "something," about you is because you are unidentifiable. Yet you have not be assured enough to unveil yourself. Again what are you; godless, like the athiest that i I "interprete" you to be? Just come out and stop being evasive. If you can even tell us your position, how can we believe you to even be speaking any truth, when anythingcomes out of your gut? Finally, I do not care for any position that you hold. I was couttingly laughing at your unreal persona.




I am not jewish, but a yoruba boy. I do not have to master their traditions. There is still plenty that i need to know of the yoruba traditions.I see the jews, just a step better than the Christians. Both of them are in clear denial of the true position of God the Creator, and denial or diminishing or exagerating the place of a prophet or some prophets. Whats there to learn about unbiddle unnecessary sacrifice and ritual that are already abrogated and replaced by what is better? And when the muslims think about the lamb label of the Christian on Jesus, what we think about is neither of the "spotless or peaceful lamb", thats trivial. But as a willing and going along without another opinion about the acceptance of his place for the so called "sacrifice or death on the cross" to appease the Christian or old jewish god, who is always tasty for blood, and, in this time, human blood!


Even the son of Abraham who was to be sacrificed did a better job. This little boy did not fight all the way as it was not reported that his father dragged him to the place of sacrifice. He did not complain. And by the way the christian do not even accept neither this little boy nor his bother as  a prophet. But in the case of Jesus, the christian says that he was actually sent on earth for this singular purpose. Should there be any amount of shock when the time came upon him, to take his rightly place in this terrible "Tragic event?" Why did he begged, prayed, supplicated, cried at the garden of Geshemane to the One who sent him? Why instructed his followers to purchase swords?

I think you are reading your material sources upside down. Nimshi, you have to work harder. And while at it, who is greater the, the One who sent some powerful person on an errant, or the powerful person who us sent on an errant? Who is greater in battle, the general who is at the frontline or the President who is in the Presidentail house, commanding the general to accomplish the mission?




And so far you are mistake prone. You have made tons of them. Heck, you are entitled to it. We are all seeking knowledge. But I will seek truthful knowledge. I will say that at best,I am a student of religious knowledge, who is a muslim. Alhamdulillah. You should now open your mind as you read. Your arrogance is appaulling! And o se aro Sunday. Lola, O ma sharo Monday. I will need you to not to distract me even more, on Monday morning!




You are right, since I refuse to be seduced to your side. I am already formed. I already know what I want. My parachute is ready to open, when I jump. Except right now am not even in any machine in the sky. I think you forgot to rent one for yourself, and you are already in freefall. This is the reason that your backpack is so light. lol. Oh boy, you will find me foot to foot with you, when you make this silly assertions.




Let just say that brother Yahya Ali agreed with the tafsir of ibn kathir. I guess that the laughter is at your expense. And it is your type of person who will encourage others to do evil and say it is no big deal. Yahya Ali is a yank, who became muslim not ever goig to jail. Contrary to what Plus_Queen said! This guy is 65 and has been a muslim since the '60s.

i just ask my mother he is from the ibo tribe.  last name is Onajobi.  ur email is "hidden"

later.  off to make b/fast

Your assumption that I am in the christian camp makes me laugh it goes to show that whenever you see Jesus you go crazy and start firing off, I will not engage you in a discussion until you can actually show me that you can calm down and actually read through a post, seriously sir just calm down you just never know if the person you are engaging is willing to learn, your attitude puts people off that's one of  my points.

Islam has told you who Jesus Christ is abi? Good thats what you believe no wahala, I am saying the Christians are not told who Jesus Christ is from the qua ran and if you cannot see that then your mind is too twisted to understand it. You can scream all you want that they are liars and cheats but until you have a common basis with them your accusations are null and void!

What have you achieved since you started screaming that they are liars nothing whatsoever you further alienate them you cannot have a constructive discussion, call this whining but I am taking my time to explain this to you because I am hoping that you would take your time and read this and then we can kick off on our debate on the very first issue,

Have you seen Allah? Can you prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that Allah is God? Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt Muhammad was sent by God?

Thank you.

nimshi:

this is exactly what my mother say "he is ibo but then again your father is such a liar for all I know he may be from Hell and not Nigeria.  I'll ask my brother after ed fatir (sp?) when Ramadan is over

@ola

My father's last name is Onajobi.  I have documents as proof that his last name is Onajobi