Israel vs Hezbollah/Lebanon

Don't just tal about peace.  Everyone wants peace.  The issue is how do you negotiate peace with Hezbollah, Al-Quaida and the likes?  When you withdraw as we saw in Somalia, they see it as a sign of weakness and get emboldened to do more as proven by 911.

And how do you keep them from killing "infidels" when they have been promised by their role model - Mohammed, that heaven and dozens of virgins as well as strong drinks await them in paradise for killing non-muslims.

Do you know that Mohammed said none should be punished for killing an infidel?  No wonder Isreal prisons is full of murderers who will live as heroes if left to roam about their native countries.

maybe talking about history will help.

lol 

chei!!

simple reduction method  we are doing these to humans ehn?

even if both sides are eliminated, it still will not solve the problem.

@Otokx,

Ok, let me try to make some of us happy.

1. All muslims want to kill all jews and christains.

2. Everything must be done to kill all muslims

3. Causing wars in places like Afghanistan and Iraq remains one of the best strategies.

4. The arabs don't want peace, so no need to pursue any peace initiative

All the points stated above are wrong and I disagree with them completely without conditions.

Killing of innocent ones is wrong regardless of who is doing the killing and the reasons behind such killings.

PEACE IS VERY MUCH ACHIEVABLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

Anyone that does not believe in the peace option should go to the war front and make his or her point, not on a discussion forum.

It wouldn't go away because of the nebulous US policy!  Or can the nukes take care of that too?

lol

since we are still thinking in that line nukes can take care of that too; if there is no US, there will be no US policy.

Obviously nukes, and any other form of killing is not the answer.

Peace through fairplay and dialogue is the answer. So Afam is still right on.


otokx
Please explain more on your simple elimination method and how it can be carried out.

I agree with you on that.

@brown-eyes,

You could be right.  But we need to realise that the West only recently began to advocate for democracy in the middle east as a direct strategy to combat the threat of terrorism.

The West realises that some of these guys are violent because they are unable to make there voice heard and understood as it would in a democratic setting.  The West may be naive in this regard, but they at least feel that a democratic middle east with the people determining who their government is will do a lot to stem the growing frustration which have now been directed at the West, especially the ever popular US policy.

1. Who are the "west"?
2. Is it the west that installed Al Bashir of Syria, Ahmedinajad of Iran? When did these "people" in the middle east decide to choose their government? Is it the "puppet" government under the thumb of Ayatollah Khomeini that you refer to as a democracy?

Israel army contests Hamas ruling
Israeli army lawyers are contesting a court decision to release senior Hamas members, some of whom have been detained since June.
An Israeli military judge had ordered the release of some of the detained Hamas officials on Tuesday and army prosecutors had 48 hours to appeal against the decision.

The judge noted that Israel had allowed the men to compete successfully in Palestinian parliamentary election in January and questioned the timing of their detention after four months in office.

Imagine if the Hamas-led terror organisation now morphed into the palestinian govt had "detained" Isreali cabinet ministers (let us not talk about IDF soldiers), they'D have either been forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint, killed and their bodies dragged round the street (does someone remember Somalia?) or used as pawns to demand the release of jailed terrorists!

@Davidylan

Take a look at Afghanistan and Iraq. Who installed their government?

The US installed the present governments and handed over Saddam to the Shiites. The US even installed the former ruler of Iran and Iran was not an axis of evil until the revolution came and the puppet fled.

I only hope that countries will begin to do what is best for their people and not what another country wants them to do.

I am also happy that Collin Powell that made the case for the illegal invasion of Iraq at the UN is now opposing Bsh's plan to redefine Article 3 of the Geneva convention and even 3 influential Republicans are opposing Bush on that too. Maybe they are beginning to see through the many lies of Bush.

Just from yahoo news - read without bias if you can

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IAEA: US. report on Iran 'dishonest'

VIENNA, Austria - A recent House of Representatives committee report on        Iran's nuclear capability is "outrageous and dishonest" in trying to make a case that Tehran's program is geared toward making weapons, a senior official of the U.N. nuclear watchdog has said.

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The letter, obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday outside a 35-nation board meeting of the        International Atomic Energy Agency, says the report is false in saying Iran is making weapons-grade uranium at an experimental enrichment site, when it has in fact produced material only in small quantities that is far below the level that can be used in nuclear arms.

The letter, which was first reported on by The Washington Post, also says the report erroneously says that IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei removed a senior nuclear inspector from the team investigating Iran's nuclear program "for concluding that the purpose of Iran's nuclear program is to construct weapons."

In fact, the inspector was sidelined on Tehran's request, and the Islamic republic had a right to ask for a replacement under agreements that govern all states relationships with the agency, said the letter, calling the report's version "incorrect and misleading."

"In addition," says the letter, "the report contains an outrageous and dishonest suggestion that such removal might have been for 'not having adhered to an unstated IAEA policy barring IAEA officials from telling the whole truth about the Iranian nuclear program.'"

Dated Aug. 12, the letter was addressed to Rep. Peter Hoekstra (news, bio, voting record), chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. It was signed by Vilmos Cserveny, a senior director of the Vienna-based agency.

An IAEA official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment on the letter, said it was written "to set the record straight."

Jamal Ware, a spokesman for the House committee, confirmed they had received the letter and said the chairman had referred it to Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., and Rep. Rush Hold, D-N.J. They will review it and issue a formal response if necessary, he said.

"All IAEA complains about is a photo caption. If you read the report, it's very clear that what it is saying is that Iran is working to develop the capability to enrich uranium to weapons grade, not that they have done so," Ware said. "They use a string of adjectives, while not pointing to any substantive criticism of the report. There are areas where we would disagree with them. A disagreement does not make what we say erroneous."

The dispute was reminiscent of the clashes between the IAEA and Washington over whether        Saddam Hussein was trying to make weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear arms. American arguments that Saddam had such covert arms programs were given as the chief reason for invading        Iraq and toppling Saddam.

ElBaradei's criticism of the US. standpoint on Iraq and subsequent perceptions that he was soft on Iran in his staff's investigation of suspicions Tehran's nuclear activities may be a cover for a weapons program led to a failed attempt last year by Washington to prevent his re-election.

@Afam,
What lies are those?  And please provide the proofs.  I am beginning to feel we need to ask for hard proofs from you guys to back up your allegations.  You have claimed that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, you blame terrorism on US. policy as if it is the policy that is strapped up with bombs to kill innocent civilians, and now you claim Bush is trying to redefine Article 3 of the Geneva convention.  All your claims are baseless and with no proofs.  They are based on conjecture.  Remember, it is that same conjecture that led to the Iraq War.

"Also, it is interesting that you said Collin Powell "made a case for the Iraq war", yet you will say Bush "lied".  I smell double standard here.

  The way you talk one would be tempted to assume you even live in the white house itself, its hard to imagine objectivity on your part when all you rely on is ONE CNN channel (there are at least 3 as far as i know!) and a few snippets on BBC and CNN websites!

@Davidylan,

Interesting to note that since the issues boiled down to real thing you disappeared only to appear now it is about Afam.

Very interesting indeed.

@Mariory,

Could you state the exact correction please? My stating I rely on CNN for most does not mean I do not watch other news channel but I do not have a strict schedule to split my news time as it does not make any sense to begin with.

So, state the correct so that we will be clear we were talking about correction.

It seems that the best way to keep some of us away from this thread is for Afam to refrain from posting because it seems the only time we now see posts by some of us is when Afam's post is being discussed.

I challenge you guys to discuss and prove otherwise the positions held by the people you freely focus on their personalities instead of the issue at hand.