Israel vs Hezbollah/Lebanon

@Afam,

I am plenty aware of all the events you are talknig about and it is only convenient for you to side with the ones who seem to hold on to your line of thought.  Why don't you tell us what others have said.  Was it only Powell that wrote a letter to congress about this issue?  What about the stance of the Military Attorneys who said they side President Bush on this matter?  What about the congress men who voted to allow Bush's proposal?  What exactly was Bush asking for with respect to Article 3?  You need to understand that this is an election year, and many are just doing all they can to keep their seats not based on what is best for the American public.

It's funny that you are the only one that saw and heard Bush say God told him to go to war in Iraq.  Such a statement would have been in the news and stay in the news especially at a time like this.  It is a wrong conclusion and a pre-emptive policy that led to the iraq war.  You may cry lies for all I care, it still doesn't make that a fact.

I am not here to paint you or anybody black.  You claim to stand on the side of justice, yet you are quick to call another man a liar without proof.  Justice for who?  For all or for some?  

You calim religion is not part of these whole scenario, yet you say Bush said God told him to go to war!  What exactly are you sayiing Afam?  so God's name is associated with only secular things now, abi?

I have no problems with your stance and opinions thus far.  My only issue is that the role of religion is neglected in the whole affair.  You may say all you want about justice, fair play and the 'notorious US policy', but until you address the role of religion as well, you are merely going round in circles.  There is injustice all over the world.  I suppose the notorious US policy is also a world wide problem, but why are some (muslims) the only ones blowing themselves and others up?  Why arent they following in the steps of people like Mandella and Reverend Martin Luther King junior?  Why will they say they love death as much as the West love life?  Why would they say the West may be armed with atomic bomb, but they are armed with the population bomb?  Are all these staements based on secular reasoning or religious ones.  

We need to ask some hard questions and be willing to explore all options before we just dismiss them with the wave of the hand because they do not saound politically correct.

@TayoD,

Please answer the following question - Did Bush lie about the illegal invasion of Iraq?

Referencing the following

You calim religion is not part of these whole scenario, yet you say Bush said God told him to go to war!  What exactly are you sayiing Afam?  so God's name is associated with only secular things now, abi?

I have never stated that religion is not part of the project and I feel like throwing up for the cheap and senseless lie about my maintaining that religion has nothing to do with the issue.

No, I am not the only one that heard what Bush said on TV, it is becoming ridiculous to read such silly statements about what was said on TV.

By the way, 3 of the top republicans that agreed with Powell and opposed Bush all had military background, check that again.

Your telling me that senators are taking stands based on election is completely immaterial because their votes decide whether the proposals of Bush will go through or not. The excuses don't hold water.

So, if the senators are against the American public, you may need to show us proof that the American public do not agree with the senators.

For over 2 years now, the rating of Bush has been taking a nose dive and the respondents are not from Iraq but the US, so stop this dancing around what Americans feel about Bush.

@Mariory,

I forgot to add this in my last reply. Only a fool will assume he/she is beyond mistake. Whenever I make a mistake, I accept it and move on, quite unlike you that will ignore any mistakes you make or you focus on the person that pointed them out.

As a matter of fact, I am never afraid of making mistakes in life, maybe that is why I can discuss issues without focusing on the person involved. You may need to learn to do that.

@dayokanu,
That is exactly what I am saying.  There is a galvanising force and a blanket authorisation to do this evil from the koran.  Until we address these teachings found in that book and in the lifestyle of that prophet, then we are going to keep seeing this cycle of violence.

What in God's name are you blabbing about now? :rolleyes:

y doest afam want 2 see d truth?

@TayoD,

You need to know where your rights end and where mine begins?

You ask me why I mentioned the military background of the opposers when you thought it was cool to attempt to confuse people that military lawyers backed Bush.

So, what makes it right for you to state that military lawyers backed Bush and makes it wrong for me to state that 3 influential republicans (all with military background) opposed Bush?

You see the type of world you think is ideal for human beings? You do something and complain when someone does exactly the same thing. That is what people call double standards and hypocrisy.

I am not here to answer every question you pose. You could not answer if Bush lied about the illegal invasion of Iraq because the answer will make nonsense of your defence, very understandable.

I should tell you what Article 3 of the Geneva Convention says, why don't you ask the military lawyers that backed Bush (according to you) or don't you even understand what they are backing in the first place.

What's your comment on Bush stating that his God told him to invade Iraq about? That he said it or not, there is no middle ground here, so stop playing with words.

@Davidylan,

For someone that claimed to have graduated with first class in Nigeria and doing a PhD program on schorlarship in the US, I am terribly shocked that you could marry any of my posts to the issue of religion being the root cause of the problems in the middle east.

I am sure my posts have been clear on where I think religion belongs in the issue. I can't do much to explain it to you if you cannot understand any of the posts you reproduced.

Take a hard look at the 3 statements you highlighted and you will notice words like root, basic and religious war.

If the words don't make any sense to you kindly ask anyone around you to interpret the statements.

@Mariory,

I am blabbing about your style of making mistakes and never acknowledging them, it is wrong and makes you look like someone that can do anything to cover up his mistakes just as you are asking me what I am blabbing about when it is clear.

@Sijien,

I think of all the posts I have seen on this thread yours is the most empty and silly.

No sir! I have no problems with English Language and have no need of anyone to expound the real intent of the three posts of yours highlighted above!

Since you wish to delve into semantics, putting all statements together this is what it sounds like " I have never stated that religion is NOT  a part of this project which is NOT a religious war neither is its root or basic cause RELIGION!"

Breaking down the "complex" sentence, here are your conjectures:
1. That you AGREE that RELIGION is a part of the ongoing conflict
2. BUT the conflict is NOT a religious war despite the fact that RELIGION plays a part in the war!  

Sijien,

Another bloody liar on rampage. You talk about truth and spread lies.

I never said the same thing to texazzpete yesterday. Why don't you reproduce it since it is just yesterday, at least it won't be hard to find.

@Davidylan,

E no go better for who do you this thing. See what you are doing to yourself on a discussion forum.

Even TayoD that is playing games with words now will tell you that I have stated (in response to his question) that religion is only part of the problem and not the root cause.

How you fail to understand this is beyond me.

You keep doing yourself in with posts that make nonsense of the academic credentials you claim you have.

Sijien
I am waiting for a reply. What is the truth?

Sijien, you really shouldn't be here, why not try the religion forum for a change and leave this discussion to more open minded people. . .

David, we have to remove that mindset that this is a religious war. When we do that we can move forward. This conflict is about the displacement of a people from a territory that they had come to see as their own by use of brute force, and the concentration of said peoples into a camp. Get the drift?

I'll be back here soon. . .

Chxta,

While this conflict may have been caused primarily by perceived injustice, the reaction and violence that accompanies it is a result of a religious agenda.  That is my point here.

And it is that same religion that provides the fuel for the crisis to have deteriorated this far.  Assuming there is a denounciation and a curse in the Koran for all who kill others, do you think we will have the suicide bombings at the rate that we are experiencing today?

Prove it. I don't have the energy to argue at the moment, but don't tempt me.

Remember when it was revealed that Bush had secret prisons where he totured suspected terrorists?  Well he now wants to amend article 3 to enable him to humiliate and degrade them without risk of prosecution.

thank you tayo. am out of here.

@brown-eyes,

Isn't it self-eplanatory?  He wants a legal clarification of the Geneva commoon Article 3. 

To be candid, that article is really vague.   Under the article, someone can claim that it is utmost degrading for him to be interrogated by a woman.  They could site their cultural and religious reasons to back this up.  This is why a legal interpretation is required.  The interpretation should not be left to the judgement of those carrying out the command, but to the congress.  This is what Bush wants done.
 

Look I've told you before, I do not care what you think of me. That's your opinion and it has nothing to do with this thread. I'm not going to argue with you about who made what mistakes. The pages in this thread already show that quite clearly. Quit whining like a kid.