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superman (m)
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hmm some girl na u biko
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somegirl (f)
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and on the other side homos get in trouble with people like me! i guess they are doing harm! no time for ass licking No, you are doing them harm. |
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somegirl (f)
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Yes, "biko" --- biko, consider the following saying "live and let live".
Now, I must log out because I'm expecting a visitor. Ka chi foo.
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Donzman (m)
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Haha @ Somegirl demanding an apology over being asked if she was crazy.
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Sista (f)
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@SomegirlSista, I'm just tired of all these prejudges and hatred. Homosexuals are humans. If they don't molest children nor force anybody else to have sexual intercourse with them (and most don't do things like that), they don't harm anybody. So please let them be. I don't know what you are talking about, I think homosexuals should be left be as well. I don't have a problem with homosexuals. In fact, I was in this topic to get my continent born African brothers and sisters to see that all black people have suffered at the hands of whitey, even by taking on the homosexual tendencies brought upon by whitey. I was trying to get my people to see that we should not discriminate against each other because we don't appreciate how one of us has taken on a trait from white people we really do not agree with when all of us have been influenced in some kind of negative way by white people. I have never denied that some whites have done terrible things. You and this some shyt is getting on my nerve, what you refer to as some white people did, all white people as a whole benefitted. Also, it wasn't some white people, it was most white people. Even in the post above when I mentioned under-age marriages in Africa, I did not keep quiet about the same (past) practice in Europe. However, not all whites commit(ted) such offenses and not whites exclusively. It doesn't matter because Africans did not go into Europe to try and help Europeans with their own obvious problems, it is the hypocrite Europeans who came to Africa to so call help Africans. The fact that Europeans did this, that gives Africans the right to talk about the negative impact white people have had on African people. Furthermore, I have spoken for black women on several occasions in this forum saying that they mean no more hassles than white women and that black men should not forget that their mother is a black woman too. Did you forget that I just pointed out that Africans had/have scripts of their own as well as oral history? I speak up if I think somebody is treated unjust. I also spoke up for you once. Did I ask you to so call speak up for me? White people are in the habit of so called helping people or speaking up for people and then wanting to remind people that they helped them when the people they so call helped get out of line. Well, your white tactic to get me to feel guilty will not work. So what you defend African women and you feel that you defended me. Does that mean I should keep my mouth shut about the truth, Greeks and Romans regarded Pedophilia as normal and they also viewed Homosexuality as normal. I won't keep my mouth shut to please you because you feel you defended me. If your defending me means I have to stop talking about how white people bamboozled African people, then I think you'll be needing not to stick up for me anymore. between, the adam-and-eve theory in my last post is not mine but I've heard it before just like I have heard your story about pedophilia being a reason against homosexuality before. I don't believe in either of them. Adam and Eve is a myth, there is know historical fact behind them. Homosexuality and Pedophilia took root in Europe and that is a historical fact, not my truth. If you don't believe me, go and find proof to this prove this. Truth? You mean what you believe what the truth is. Everything that I have said is historical fact, not my truth. If you think I am wrong, again go and find the origins of pedophilia and homosexuality No where in history does it state any where that Africans went into Europe to so called help Europeans by converting them into African religion or ways of Africans, it was your people (white people) who came got into African peoples business on African people land. That is not my truth, that is historical fact that cannot be denied. You did your best to find information to support that Africans are just as bad as Europeans, you did your best to prove that Africans sold their own people into slavery. Now I ask you to do this. I ask you to go and dig up proof that Africans went into Europe in an attempt to help Europeans and as a result Africans converted Europeans to African religion. Please, I beg you, go and find historical fact that African men went into Europe and took Europeans back to Africa or to a stolen land to slave them to death. Please, find historical fact that states African men were in Europe kidnapping white women and raping them before and after they put them on the slave ship, I beg you, find those facts. Please dig up some facts on those types of issues, then and only then will I begin to question if Africans are just as bad as Europeans. Romans even regarded their self as Barbaric people. I remember your saying you want Africans to have rights in Europe, is that because Africans have welcomed you to Africa with open arms? Also, as a white girl, you will always have it better than an African woman so stop trying to act like you understand what they go through by so called speaking up for them, you are not doing them any favors. I would like to know how many white racist forum's do you attend where you stick up for black people? You sure do make it a point to come to a black forum and tell black people what they should say and think about white people.
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Drusilla (f)
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70+ percent of all psychologists in America consider homosexuality to be a mental illness.
We can not as a society not help the mentally ill.
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somegirl (f)
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No, I did not speak up for black women/you to make you shut up but because I thought they/you were treated unfairly. And the reason why I mentioned it now is because you gave the impression that I only speak negatively about Africans which I don't. And wasn't it you yourself who said the following? If you want everyone to be treated equally, you can't just be talking about it, you gotta be about it other wise you will just be enjoying the company of black people while they suffer at the hands of your people. To me as a black person who knows how good the comforts of black people is, that can be viewed as selfishness on your behalf. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-26636.32.html#msg667085Everything that I have said is historical fact, not my truth. Historical "facts" might be interpreted in different ways. We both think that pedophilia and homosexuality existed in old Greek and Roman cultures but the conclusion we draw are different. Your conclusion is what you consider the "truth". My conclusion is what I consider the "truth". And, by the way, some people believe what it is written in the bible. That you and I don't share that belief doesn't prove that it is wrong. I ask you to go and dig up proof that Africans went into Europe in an attempt to help Europeans and as a result Africans converted Europeans to African religion. Well, they at least always try very hard to convert me to Christianity. 70+ percent of all psychologists in America consider homosexuality to be a mental illness. @Drusilla, please be so nice to give us the source of that figure. Thanks. |
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Sista (f)
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@SomegirlWell, they at least always try very hard to convert me to Christianity. Any African trying to convert you to Christianity is a brainwashed African who has been brainwashed by your people. That is another story that I won't go into because you as a white person will never understand. Sista's words: If you want everyone to be treated equally, you can't just be talking about it, you gotta be about it other wise you will just be enjoying the company of black people while they suffer at the hands of your people. To me as a black person who knows how good the comforts of black people is, that can be viewed as selfishness on your behalf.
Yes I did say this but I don't really understand your point. @Topic70+ percent of all psychologists in America consider homosexuality to be a mental illness.
We can not as a society not help the mentally ill. I agree, it is a mental illness but by nature, it is not an African mental illness. Yes, illnesses do have color. Why else do you think doctors make it a point to point out the color statistics before subscribing medication? Back @SomegirlHistorical "facts" might be interpreted in different ways . You can't interpret a fact in your own way. You can play around with the bible and interpret it in you own way because the bible has yet to prove historical fact except in Geographical locations which still exist, but true facts, can not be misconstrued. Fact: Romans and Greeks have a historical nature in which they practiced Homosexuality and Pedophilia for them, this type of behavior was normal, you cans still see it to this day in their art history. Tell me, how can the be misconstrued? How can one mis interpret that?
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somegirl (f)
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Any African trying to convert you to Christianity is a brainwashed African who has been brainwashed by your people. The English brainwashed the Nigerians. The English who had been brainwashed by the Romans brainwashed the Nigerians. And now the Nigerians brainwashed by the English themselves brainwashed by the Romans brainwash me. So if they ever should succeed you can blame it on the Italian people who are descendants of the Romans and tell my Italian friend how horrible of him to have done so. That is another story that I won't go into because you as a [---] will never understand. That's what all people say who cannot back up what they claim to be true. You can't interpret a fact in your own way. Why do you think scholars (of history) argue? Because sources, artifacts and "facts" can be interpreted in different ways. Fact: Romans and Greeks have a historical nature in which they practiced Homosexuality and Pedophilia for them, this type of behavior was normal, you cans still see it to this day in their art history. Tell me, how can the be misconstrued? How can one mis interpret that? I wrote: We both think that pedophilia and homosexuality existed in old Greek and Roman cultures [---] The different conclusions we draw from this point on which we agree (plus additional, individual knowledge we both have) are: MINE = Homosexuality cannot be condemned because of some pedophile homosexuals in old Greek/Rom. YOUR OWN = Homosexuality must be condemned because of some pedophile homosexuals in old Greek/Rom. If you want everyone to be treated equally, you can't just be talking about it, you gotta be about it other wise you will just be enjoying the company of black people while they suffer at the hands of your people. To me as a black person who knows how good the comforts of black people is, that can be viewed as selfishness on your behalf.
Yes I did say this but I don't really understand your point. Maybe, I quoted the wrong part. The following might demonstrate my point better: Also those same white people who separate their self from bad white people they, mingle with black people and experience the love black people are full of and they stop there. They don't get involved with putting an end to the inhuman treatment of black people those same people they take pleasure in mingling with. Above you seem to encourage whites to speak up for blacks. And below you find where you criticized me for speaking up for black women/ you: Did I ask you to so call speak up for me? So, my question: What do you want now? |
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Sista (f)
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@SomegirlThe English brainwashed the Nigerians. The English who had been brainwashed by the Romans brainwashed the Nigerians. And now the Nigerians brainwashed by the English themselves brainwashed by the Romans brainwash me. So if they ever should succeed you can blame it on the Italian people who are descendants of the Romans and tell my Italian friend how horrible of him to have done so. The English always knew what the Romans were up to so it was no brainwash, it was a meeting of th minds and an agreeing on both party's that Christianity was beneficial for making Europeans the superior ones. That is why the English felt it necessary to bring Christianity to Africa. That is what people do when they wish to take over, they go into other peoples country's and spread their lies. That's what all people say who cannot back up what they claim to be true. No honey, this topic is about fighting against Homosexuality, I am not trying to get off topic. Why do you think scholars (of history) argue? Because sources, artifacts and "facts" can be interpreted in different ways. I see how you conveniently present historical facts to back up that Africans fight against each other. Then, it was not your truth right? but it was actual fact? Greeks today will tell you they are homosexuals and historically they have always been. Just the other day this Greek homosexual a lot of people like who is an actor, he spoke about historical Rome and Greek homosexuality. It is obvious in in the writings of Plato's symposium that Plato was not only a Homo but he was also a pedophile who fooled his students into sleeping with him and then he would dump student after student once he received sexual pleasure from them. Plato said so his self Pedophilia is evident in Roman Art and homosexuality is as well. Quote from: somegirl
We both think that pedophilia and homosexuality existed in old Greek and Roman cultures [---] I never said I thought, I said it was a historical fact. You are the one who finds it beneficial to think homosexuality existed in old Greek. I told you to go and find the proof that it did not exist. The different conclusions we draw from this point on which we agree (plus additional, individual knowledge we both have) are: MINE = Homosexuality cannot be condemned because of some pedophile homosexuals in old Greek/Rom. YOUR OWN = Homosexuality must be condemned because of some pedophile homosexuals in old Greek/Rom. I never said homosexuality should be condemned. Please find the quote where I said Homosexuality should be condemned?Sista's wordsAlso those same white people who separate their self from bad white people they, mingle with black people and experience the love black people are full of and they stop there. They don't get involved with putting an end to the inhuman treatment of black people those same people they take pleasure in mingling with.Above you seem to encourage whites to speak up for blacks. And below you find where you criticized me for speaking up for black women/you: Read again what I said, I never asked for you or any white person to speak up for African people. African people can and have been speaking up for their self, dying for their self, and living in poverty for their self at the hand of your people, they don't need white people to speak up for them. To me, talk is cheap. I would like to see white people put money where their mouth is in terms of sticking up for African people. How about reperating Africans for the times they (Europeans) financially benefited off of African people while African people received nothing.Sista's words:
Did I ask you to so call speak up for me?So, my question: What do you want now? I never wanted anything from you, I don't want anything from you or any white person. What I would like is for white people to stay out of black folks business, do black people go about getting into the personal affairs of white people?
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somegirl (f)
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The English always knew what the Romans were up to so it was no brainwash, it was a meeting of th minds and an agreeing on both party's that Christianity was beneficial for making Europeans the superior ones. Could you please state your sources? No honey, this topic is about fighting against Homosexuality, I am not trying to get off topic. You could start a new thread and just provide a link here. I see how you conveniently present historical facts to back up that Africans fight against each other. Then, it was not your truth right? but it was actual fact? Please tell me where I used the word "fact" when talking about some Africans of ethnicity x DISLIKING Africans of ethnicity y. However, I think there is some difference between these two cases. You can't talk to the ancient Greeks and Romans anymore because they are dead. However, you still can talk to present day Nigerians. And SOME of them dislike members of other Nigerian ethnicities. That's true to my experience and is a very vague statement. It could mean "many" or "very few". You can argue with me and try to show me why my interpretation of certain events that made me draw certain conclusions are faulty. I know my view of the world is not the ultimate truth. So I might be wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong in this case and will need good arguments to change my opinion in regard to it. You are the one who finds it beneficial to think homosexuality existed in old Greek. I told you to go and find the proof that it did not exist. Why should I do that? I do think that homosexuality existed in old Greek and old Rom. So, why should I want to proof that it did not exist? I never said homosexuality should be condemned. Please find the quote where I said Homosexuality should be condemned? con‧demn /kənˈdɛm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-them] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used with object) 1. to express an unfavorable or adverse judgment on; indicate strong disapproval of; censure. 2. to pronounce to be guilty; sentence to punishment: to condemn a murderer to life imprisonment. [---] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=condemnDo you not disapprove of homosexuality? Do you not pronounce white homosexuals guilty of bringing homosexuality to Africa? I would like to see white people put money where their mouth is in terms of sticking up for African people. How about reperating Africans for the times they (Europeans) financially benefited off of African people while African people received nothing. I never wanted anything from you, I don't want anything from you or any white person. What I would like is for white people to stay out of black folks business, do black people go about getting into the personal affairs of white people? Yes, you want something from white people: Money. At the same time, you want that white people stay out of black folks' business? How can they do that while at the same time giving black people money? I say so because donators always influence the life of the "beneficiaries" by their choice of how much who gets or to whom they give it so that that person/group will distribute the money. |
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superman (m)
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somegal what a hell are u talking about! Yes, you want something from white people: Money. At the same time, you want that white people stay out of black folks' business? How can they do that while at the same time giving black people money? I say so because donators always influence the life of the "beneficiaries" by their choice of how much who gets or to whom they give it so that that person/group will distribute the money. and u really beleive thats de case huh! it goes to show u simply dnt understand white people for real |
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somegirl (f)
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Drusilla, if you should come across that book again, please let me have the title, name of author and year of publication. Thanks in advance.
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Sista (f)
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quote from: SistaThe English always knew what the Romans were up to so it was no brainwash, it was a meeting of the minds and an agreeing on both party's that Christianity was beneficial for making Europeans the superior ones.Somegirls response:Could you please state your sources? Sistas final reply:
I don't have to give a source because when a people becomes brainwashed, the people who brainwashed them benefit from the brainwashed. Did the Romans who you claimed brainwashed the English, did they also enslave the English? Did they also Colonize the English? Did the Romans beat, rape and sodomize the English? Did the Romans Steal from the English? I could go on and on but I think you get it. Also, I find it interesting how you convieantly will ask for a source but then you argue that even scholars are not a reliable source because of how each of them interprets differently, make up your mind why don't you?
Quote from: sistaNo honey, this topic is about fighting against Homosexuality, I am not trying to get off topic.Somegirls response:You could start a new thread and just provide a link here. Sista's final reply:
I don't know what you are talking about?
Quote from Sista:I see how you conveniently present historical facts to back up that Africans fight against each other. Then, it was not your truth right? but it was actual fact?Somegirls response:Please tell me where I used the word "fact" when talking about some Africans of ethnicity x DISLIKING Africans of ethnicity y. However, I think there is some difference between these two cases. You can't talk to the ancient Greeks and Romans anymore because they are dead. However, you still can talk to present day Nigerians. And SOME of them dislike members of other Nigerian ethnicities. That's true to my experience and is a very vague statement. It could mean "many" or "very few". You can argue with me and try to show me why my interpretation of certain events that made me draw certain conclusions are faulty. I know my view of the world is not the ultimate truth. So I might be wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong in this case and will need good arguments to change my opinion in regard to it. Sistas final reply:
You don't have to use the word fact to imply a fact. When you overheard me telling an African sister she should never consider a white man because of what white people have perpetuated against blacks, you butted in and said, "Sista, do you know of how African tribes fight against other African tribes?" Your question to me eluded fact which you based on what your African fiends themselves have told you. I presented you a link and an insert from that link explaining to you how white people had their hands in that black tribal fighting, did you retract what you said? No you didn't, nor did you comment on the link I presented which was written by a Nigerian.
Quote from: sistaYou are the one who finds it beneficial to think homosexuality existed in old Greek. I told you to go and find the proof that it did not exist.Somegirls response:Why should I do that? I do think that homosexuality existed in old Greek and old Rom. So, why should I want to proof that it did not exist? Sistas final reply:
You were the one who said that historical fact is always misinterpreted and your example you gave was how scholars go back and fourth. You gave this example after I stated the Romans and Greeks were Homo's and pedophiles.
Quote from: sistaI never said homosexuality should be condemned. Please find the quote where I said Homosexuality should be condemned? Somegirls response:con‧demn /kənˈdɛm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-them] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used with object) 1. to express an unfavorable or adverse judgment on; indicate strong disapproval of; censure. 2. to pronounce to be guilty; sentence to punishment: to condemn a murderer to life imprisonment. [---] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=condemnDo you not disapprove of homosexuality? Do you not pronounce white homosexuals guilty of bringing homosexuality to Africa?
I don't need for you to break down what the what condemn means. Again, I never condemned homosexuals. I said this before, which you continue to over look. I said African brothers and sisters should not be judging other African brothers and sisters if they are homosexuals. Some Africans picked up that sickness from white people we Africans, black people should be more than understanding sense all black people have been in some kind of negative way influenced by whitey. Casting each other out because we don't like the sickness one of us got from whitey is not going to help us. In fact, I have no problem with Homo's. However, I do have a problem with homo's who go around the world to teach everyone it is natural because they see it as natural. Why couldn't the Romans and Greeks keep homosexuality way of life to their self? That is the problem I have, no one should be forced to accept the ways of someone else. I don't condemn homosexuality but I don't not agree with Europeans bringing homosexuality to Africa. If a cat has Fleas and he knows it, yet he comes around other cats who do not have fleas, he should be casted out. If he has fleas but does not come around other cats trying to give them his fleas, we should help him get rid of the fleas, if that is what he wants, who knows, maybe he likes having fleas. However, as we help him, we should not put our selves at risk.
Quote from: sistaI would like to see white people put money where their mouth is in terms of sticking up for African people. How about reperating Africans for the times they (Europeans) financially benefited off of African people while African people received nothing.
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I never wanted anything from you, I don't want anything from you or any white person. What I would like is for white people to stay out of black folks business, do black people go about getting into the personal affairs of white people?Somegirls response:Yes, you want something from white people: Money. At the same time, you want that white people stay out of black folks' business? How can they do that while at the same time giving black people money? I say so because donators always influence the life of the "beneficiaries" by their choice of how much who gets or to whom they give it so that that person/group will distribute the money. Sista's final reply:
For your information, white people, Europe became rich at the expense of others. Nothing they obtained is original. Scholars kindly call it borrowing but we both know that if you don't pay back what you borrowed, it is called stealing. Europe was built upon thefts from people of color. Example: American banks and even banks in Europe was financed off of slavery, some of those banks to this day still exist. Why do you think white people have so many heiress and heirs? All these Mr and Mrs. Paris Hilton's running around, they are white people. They are white people who made their money from slavery and they became so rich that their children never have to work, all they have to do is wait for a rich relative to die and they get all the money. This has been going on for years while the free labor African ancestors supplied, was never paid for and as black person, each day of my life, I have to work three times harder than a white person if I want to accomplish something as simple as a home. Also, putting your money where your mouth is does not necessarily literally mean money, in many cases involving white people it could just mean for them to mind their own business and let Africans show to be the humans white people keep telling them they are, as if they didn't already know. I might also add that when you claim to help a people out by giving them money, yet you want to dictate to them what to do with the money, that is another form of subtle slavery and you are not helping those people.
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somegirl (f)
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I don't have to give a source because when a people becomes brainwashed, the people who brainwashed them benefit from the brainwashed. Did the Romans who you claimed brainwashed the English, did they also enslave the English? Did they also Colonize the English? Did the Romans beat, rape and sodomize the English? Did the Romans Steal from the English? I could go on and on but I think you get it. "In lurid colors, Tacitus paints the Roman imperial system as successive scenes of violence, intrigue, corruption, greed, and sycophancy." "Rebel nations, such as Britain, had the cruel alternatives of open war or slavery." Power and Servility by L.S. Mazzolani "“In the history of Europe so far as it is known to us there are two chapters marked by a special note of infamy.” These are, it emerges, the Roman slave trade centred around Delos in the second century BCE and the transatlantic slave trade of various European nations (of which Britain was the most successful and most inhumane) in the seventeenth-nineteenth centuries." A Brief History of Western Culture by Michael Peverett on H. A. L. Fisher A History of Europe (1935) Also, I find it interesting how you convieantly will ask for a source but then you argue that even scholars are not a reliable source because of how each of them interprets differently, make up your mind why don't you? I never said that scholars are not reliable sources. I only said that they disagree with each other which, IMHO, does not make them (as a group) unreliable. Nevertheless, there are surely statements by scholars that I would consider less reliable than other statements (by the same or other scholars). The argumentation why somebody drew a certain conclusion is very important. I don't know what you are talking about? Sista: Any African trying to convert you to Christianity is a brainwashed African who has been brainwashed by your people. That is another story that I won't go into because you as a white person will never understand. Somegirl: That's what all people say who cannot back up what they claim to be true. Sista: No honey, this topic is about fighting against Homosexuality, I am not trying to get off topic. Somegirl: You could start a new thread and just provide a link here. Sista: I don't know what you are talking about? What is it that you don't understand?  When you overheard me telling an African sister she should never consider a white man because of what white people have perpetuated against blacks, you butted in and said, "Sista, do you know of how African tribes fight against other African tribes?" Your question to me eluded fact which you based on what your African fiends themselves have told you. I presented you a link and an insert from that link explaining to you how white people had their hands in that black tribal fighting, did you retract what you said? No you didn't, nor did you comment on the link I presented which was written by a Nigerian. Oh, let me correct the history of our exchange: Somebody asked for advice concerning an "inter-tribal" relationship and stated that her mother has problem with it. You brought up the whites out of the blue (off-topic I would say): "The only one all black people should be staying away from dating wise and marriage wise is white people." Then you expressed your belief that "Black people ultimately love each other no matter what, you have to believe that." I reminded you of the present state that not ALL black people love each other. You made some speculation about my skin colour: "[---]this is usually something a white person would bring up to prove something." You made further speculation about me without knowing me: "From what I can detect, you are here to make sure that black people keep continuing to love you and you would never advocate them uniting, however you would conveniently keep it alive that we fight each other." Then you wrote that the whites are responsible for any hostility between blacks themselves. I did not deny that some whites are responsible but asked if it is ALL whites (even the white embryo). As for your link, it wasn't very informative. That's my comment on it now if you insist on one. However, somebody else took the pain to reply you: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-7229.128.html#msg672539You were the one who said that historical fact is always misinterpreted and your example you gave was how scholars go back and fourth. No, I did not say that. What I said is: Historical "facts" might be interpreted in different ways. We both think that pedophilia and homosexuality existed in old Greek and Roman cultures but the conclusion we draw are different. Your conclusion is what you consider the "truth". My conclusion is what I consider the "truth". And, by the way, some people believe what it is written in the bible. That you and I don't share that belief doesn't prove that it is wrong. Again, I never condemned homosexuals. White homosexuals nko? Anyway, I never said you condemn (black) homosexuals. I said you condemn homosexual ity. For your information, white people, Europe became rich at the expense of others. FYI, I never said that no whites became rich at the expense of others. [---] putting your money where your mouth is does not necessarily literally mean money [---] "Demonstate your commitment. Don't just talk about what you think should be done --- commit money (or time or effort) to make it happen." http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/5/messages/1531.html"Putting your money where your mouth is means that you'll stand by your statement. It's proof, or a guarantee, that you believe so strongly in what you're saying that you're willing to back it up with your money. It's a way of saying what you mean and meaning what you say." http://googolplex.cuna.org/12433/5spot/story.html?doc_id=37"to support something that you believe in, especially by giving money. If people are really interested in helping the homeless they should put their money where their mouth is." http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/put+money+where+mouth+isOk, you might have meant that white people should demonstrate that their belief that blacks are human and that all humans are equal is a sincere one. How, in your opinion, should they do that? |
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Drusilla (f)
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Somegirl, Here is some similar information. Maybe you can find it by looking up this journal. Maybe it is the journal study published elsewhere, that I got it from. I can't remember. Smile. More specifically, in 1977, four years after the APA 'switch,' the journal "Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality" revealed that it had polled 2,500 psychiatrists on their view of what "current thinking on homosexuality" was, and, by a lopsided margin of 69% to 18% (nearly four to one, with 13%undecided). the respondents answered that "Homosexuality was usually a pathological adaptation as opposed to a normal variation." |
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mamaput (f)
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In the good old days a girl did not have sex before marrage. and a man was not so young when he could afford a wife.
So what do you think he was doing. Wanking?
In Nigeria people make fun of some tribes that they f**k their goats.
what do you say to that.
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Sista (f)
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@Mamaput
sometimes I don't know who you are talking to because you make it a point not to say who you are posting to. I know it probably has to do with your not directly posting because you like to stay mutual but I don't know who this last post you posted is being directed too.
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Drusilla (f)
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Sista,
I kind of thought she was talking to me. But my mind began to wander off to the fate of American cows--
Then I did not feel like posting a reply. Yuck. Maybe later.
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Sista (f)
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@Somegirl "In lurid colors, Tacitus paints the Roman imperial system as successive scenes of violence, intrigue, corruption, greed, and sycophancy."
"Rebel nations, such as Britain, had the cruel alternatives of open war or slavery."
Power and Servility by L.S. Mazzolani
"“In the history of Europe so far as it is known to us there are two chapters marked by a special note of infamy.” These are, it emerges, the Roman slave trade centred around Delos in the second century BCE and the transatlantic slave trade of various European nations (of which Britain was the most successful and most inhumane) in the seventeenth-nineteenth centuries."
A Brief History of Western Culture by Michael Peverett on H. A. L. Fisher A History of Europe (1935) Okay Somegirl I went to your link, I saw nothing which specifically said anything about Romans enslaving, beating, colonizing, sodomizing, etc., the English. Until you point me directly to it, I am going to have to rely on the key words you stated in this response keywords being (alternative war or slavery) They had a choice. I can imagine all those Africans who had a choice, can you  I know I would have chose war if had had matching weapons. I never said that scholars are not reliable sources. I only said that they disagree with each other which, IMHO, does not make them (as a group) unreliable. Nevertheless, there are surely statements by scholars that I would consider less reliable than other statements (by the same or other scholars). The argumentation why somebody drew a certain conclusion is very important. Sounds contradicting, why ask for a source then if your conclusion will be drawn from only those scholars opinions who in your opinion you feel are flawless, why not just have your own opinion then? Why not do your own research then? Sista: Any African trying to convert you to Christianity is a brainwashed African who has been brainwashed by your people. That is another story that I won't go into because you as a white person will never understand.
Somegirl: That's what all people say who cannot back up what they claim to be true.
Sista: No honey, this topic is about fighting against Homosexuality, I am not trying to get off topic.
Somegirl: You could start a new thread and just provide a link here.
Sista: I don't know what you are talking about?
What is it that you don't understand? Huh You so funny, I don't understand why I need to start a thread when all that I have said in this topic is relevant to this topic. Oh, let me correct the history of our exchange:
Somebody asked for advice concerning an "inter-tribal" relationship and stated that her mother has problem with it.
You brought up the whites out of the blue (off-topic I would say): "The only one all black people should be staying away from dating wise and marriage wise is white people."
Then you expressed your belief that "Black people ultimately love each other no matter what, you have to believe that."
I reminded you of the present state that not ALL black people love each other. You still presented it as fact, you left no room for disapproval although I disapproved any way and gave you a source written by a Nigerian. Which you never responded to. I guess the writer of that source was not a reliable one for you to agree with. You made some speculation about my skin colour: "[---]this is usually something a white person would bring up to prove something." You forget, my speculation was confirmed after viewing your profile, you had a picture of your self posted there. You made further speculation about me without knowing me: "From what I can detect, you are here to make sure that black people keep continuing to love you and you would never advocate them uniting, however you would conveniently keep it alive that we fight each other." If it looks like one, it is one, if it walk like one it is one. Your comment was not called for. I was already talking to an African girl who would know better than you about those tribal warfare's, remember, she was there talking about how her family did not want her with a man from another African tribe. What I told her was called for because black people should be more concerned about being with each other than we are concerned about being with white people. I wanted to assure her that her choice being a black man was the correct one as long as he was not white. What did you want to assure her of? Let me guess "Love has no color" poetic rubbish and BS. Then you wrote that the whites are responsible for any hostility between blacks themselves. I did not deny that some whites are responsible but asked if it is ALL whites (even the white embryo). As for your link, it wasn't very informative. That's my comment on it now if you insist on one. However, somebody else took the pain to reply you: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-7229.128.html#msg672539I don't have to keep messing with my flow to say (some) white people. If you are so sure that it was only some, you wouldn't have to keep making it a point to say that we should say (some whites). If a bunch of whites was sitting around making negative comments and saying (black people) do this or that, I would know they don't mean all black people. Although they blame all black people for what some blacks do and they judge all blacks by what some blacks do. Again, all whites benefited, even those who did not own slaves or rape black women. All of you benefited. I would like to see you disprove that statement. No, I did not say that. What I said is:
Historical "facts" might be interpreted in different ways. We both think that pedophilia and homosexuality existed in old Greek and Roman cultures but the conclusion we draw are different. Your conclusion is what you consider the "truth". My conclusion is what I consider the "truth". And, by the way, some people believe what it is written in the bible. That you and I don't share that belief doesn't prove that it is wrong.
I don't think, I know homosexuality existed and so did pedophilia in old Greece and Rome. Greeks today have even admitted it as I already told you. Have you seen ancient Roman art? Where man after man is lined up behind another man on his knees and each man accept the last man in line has his private parts in another mans azz. That is homosexuality. Also, the paintings of little naked boys standing staring into space as an older man reaches out to grab the young boys private parts, that is pedophilia. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what is right in front of your face as you look in dismay at this art. Romans and Greeks were proud of Homosexuality and Pedophilia. White homosexuals nko? Anyway, I never said you condemn (black) homosexuals. I said you condemn Homosexuality You don't tell me what I condemn. I will say it again, I do not condemn homosexuality. However, I understand why black people become gay. I understand that white people are the natives of homosexuality and pedophilia. I don't agree with pedophilia but if a grown man or woman wants to sleep with the same sex for whatever reason, I am not mad with them. I don't agree with how white people took homosexuality around the world convincing people that it is normal. It may be normal to them but that does not mean they should go about convincing other people that for them it is also normal. Have you heard of misery loves company? If I love what I am, yet I see that some people do not agree with what I am, If I am really happy, I would just love me and be me, not try to turn everyone into me and make them accept me. Only miserable people will do that. If Romans and Greeks would have stayed in Rome and Greece being homos', that would have been there business. FYI, I never said that no whites became rich at the expense of others. Quote from: sista [---] putting your money where your mouth is does not necessarily literally mean money [---] "Demonstate your commitment. Don't just talk about what you think should be done --- commit money (or time or effort) to make it happen." http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/5/messages/1531.html"Putting your money where your mouth is means that you'll stand by your statement. It's proof, or a guarantee, that you believe so strongly in what you're saying that you're willing to back it up with your money. It's a way of saying what you mean and meaning what you say." http://googolplex.cuna.org/12433/5spot/story.html?doc_id=37"to support something that you believe in, especially by giving money. If people are really interested in helping the homeless they should put their money where their mouth is." http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/put+money+where+mouth+isUnnecessary rubbish. Any way, white people, all white people still benefited from the pain of black people. Ok, you might have meant that white people should demonstrate that their belief that blacks are human and that all humans are equal is a sincere one. How, in your opinion, should they do that? It is very simple, by keeping their opinions about black people to their self. Let black people have their own opinions about their self expressed amongst their peers, other black people. Then let them come up with their own solutions. |
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Sista (f)
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Drusilla, I see now.
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somegirl (f)
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They had a choice. --- between open war and slavery. I'm glad we finally agree that it was NEITHER a meeting of the minds NOR an agreeing on both parties. It was brainwashing forced on the British. between, your link wasn't any more informative either. Sounds contradicting, why ask for a source then if your conclusion will be drawn from only those scholars opinions who in your opinion you feel are flawless, why not just have your own opinion then? Why not do your own research then? Will you believe whatever any scholar says without asking how s/he got there? Are you rich enough to go wherever your interest carries you? I myself can't afford to go to Rom or Greek. You so funny, I don't understand why I need to start a thread when all that I have said in this topic is relevant to this topic. You said you won't explain something because whites can't understand it anyway. When I said it was a lame excuse, you said it would go off topic. That's why I suggested you put it in a new thread. You still presented it as fact, you left no room for disapproval although I disapproved any way and gave you a source written by a Nigerian. Which you never responded to. I guess the writer of that source was not a reliable one for you to agree with I don't think, I know homosexuality existed and so did pedophilia in old Greece and Rome. Greeks today have even admitted it as I already told you. Have you seen ancient Roman art? Where man after man is lined up behind another man on his knees and each man accept the last man in line has his private parts in another mans azz. That is homosexuality. Also, the paintings of little naked boys standing staring into space as an older man reaches out to grab the young boys private parts, that is pedophilia. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what is right in front of your face as you look in dismay at this art. Romans and Greeks were proud of Homosexuality and Pedophilia. Have you seen the blanket in which Jesus was wrapped after his crucification? Do you believe in Jesus? AGAIN: I never said that homosexuality and pedophilia did not exist in old Greek and old Rom. You forget, my speculation was confirmed after viewing your profile, you had a picture of your self posted there. No, it was a piece of digital art, not a photography. I look different from the image you've seen in my profile. Do you really think everybody looks like the picture they used for their profile? LOL, we got quite a few cats posting in this forum. Your comment was not called for. Are you the one to decide what a poster might post in which thread? [---] "Love has no color" [---] Love is beautiful. You got it, my dear!  If a bunch of whites was sitting around making negative comments and saying (black people) do this or that, I would know they don't mean all black people. I would tell them: "It is SOME blacks" and probably also "and there are also some whites doing the same shit". Ok, I wouldn't tell them if they were a bunch of strong white racists in a deserted, dark alley and I was there on my own!  Although they blame all black people for what some blacks do and they judge all blacks by what some blacks do. With "they" you mean "SOME whites", abi?  [---] if a grown man or woman wants to sleep with the same sex for whatever reason, I am not mad with them. Clap for yourself!  It is very simple, by keeping their opinions about black people to their self. Then please follow your own advice and keep your opinion about whites to yourself. You so funny [---] You too! That's why I'm always looking forward to reading your posts.  |
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kaylala (m)
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Quote upon quotes
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Sista (f)
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@Somegirlbetween open war and slavery. I'm glad we finally agree that it was NEITHER a meeting of the minds NOR an agreeing on both parties. It was brainwashing forced on the British. No, we don't agree, I only said I would have to go with your keywords (alternative war or slavery) because that was all you had to offer and your link did not confirm what you were trying to prove which was (the English suffered at the hands of the Roman or the Greeks through brainwash). My response was nothing but sarcasm to reiterate that the information you offered made no sense to anyone but you. between, your link wasn't any more informative either. I know, that link would not have been informative to any white person who wishes to keep their self clear of contributing to the fights black people have amongst each other. Isn't that interesting how you defend white people who do cause the problems and then you make it a point to say that only (some) of these white people created the problems. Not to cleaver of you Somegirl You can't have your cake and eat it too. Will you believe whatever any scholar says without asking how s/he got there? I wasn't talking to a scholar, I was talking to you. You could have just as well did the research your self and provided time dates to events and I would have trusted your judgment more so over a paid scholar who is paid to prove white people innocent. Are you rich enough to go wherever your interest carries you? I myself can't afford to go to Rome or Greek. If I could afford to go any where, it would not be Rome or Greece. It would be Africa. Tell me Somegirl, how many times have you been to Africa even though you are or European descent. While yo are at it, tell me how did you acquire your ability to speak Igbo, although you are of European descent. You can talk amongst black people of African descent better than I can and I am of African descent. Interesting don't you think? You said you won't explain something because whites can't understand it anyway. When I said it was a lame excuse, you said it would go off topic. That's why I suggested you put it in a new thread.
Now I see what you are saying. It is not worth my trying to get white people to understand because they will always be white and being white will always get in the way of their ability to be totally objective. Besides, when I said that it was a casual mention, nothing to go off topic about. Have you seen the blanket in which Jesus was wrapped after his crucification? Do you believe in Jesus? No, I don't believe in Jesus and I have no religion just a way of life. What does this have to do with actual Roman art which is available in an earlier time way before Jesus? AGAIN: I never said that homosexuality and pedophilia did not exist in old Greek and old Rom. I never said that you did or didn't say this. What I said was, you are trying to say that my interpretation is right and your interpretation is right but neither of us is wrong although our interpretations are different. I am saying that what I interpreted is the truth and it does not take a rocket scientist to see what is in the Roman art and that would be homosexuality and pedophilia. I am saying it is the truth because you said it is my percieved truth. Or, why don't you just tell me your self what do you think about the Roman art which I speak of where the grown man reaches out to touch a young boys privates and the art where grown men are on the knees inserting their private parts into the mans rectum who is in front of them? Yo tell me, how should that type of art be perceived? No, it was a piece of digital art, not a photography. I look different from the image you've seen in my profile. Do you really think everybody looks like the picture they used for their profile? LOL, we got quite a few cats posting in this forum. That's all fine and dandy but when I mentioned the picture to you, you didn't deny that you were white. Are you the one to decide what a poster might post in which thread? No, I am not but my opinion of why you posted what you posted, is my opinion. Just like your opinion of me for saying the things I say about white people makes me a racist. Love is beautiful. You got it, my dear! Kiss Don't get me wrong, love is beautiful but love can also be sought out foolishly and foolish love is not a real thing, it is false. I would tell them: "It is SOME blacks" and probably also "and there are also some whites doing the same shit". Ok, I wouldn't tell them if they were a bunch of strong white racists in a deserted, dark alley and I was there on my own! Shocked No, I wouldn't tell them anything because those (some) blacks that are doing things I wouldn't do are still my brothers and sisters and I won't deny them to make white people look at me differently but with your being white, you don't want to claim bad white people as your brothers and sisters and therefore, you care about proving something to black people, that being, you are not like to evil whites. This is one of the reason why as a white person, you would never understand certain things. This would be one of those things that would be useful to bring up if I was to start that topic you spoke of but I have to much work to do with my own people, can't be trying to get white people to see their selves from an objective point of view. With "they" you mean "SOME whites", abi? Grin Whatever Quote
[---] if a grown man or woman wants to sleep with the same sex for whatever reason, I am not mad with them.
Clap for yourself! Smiley Again, whatever. Then please follow your own advice and keep your opinion about whites to yourself. What I say about white people is what I say about them. I do not go about getting into white peoples affairs. You do realize their is a difference. For instance, I refuse to begin a topic that will show the reason for white people not being able to understand. I just won't go there. White people should stop acting like the world revolves around them and their views and then they could probably see their self objectively as a whole race of people who contribute to this planet. So, I f I wish to continue to talk about white people to my fellow black people, I can do that and if you wish, you can keep popping in to defend your people. You too! That's why I'm always looking forward to reading your posts. Cheesy Well, you read it - now the ball is in your park;D PS, I saw you earlier studying my profile, I wonder what you are up to.
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somegirl (f)
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I know, that link would not have been informative to any white person [---] Interesting, there was at least one black person who did not find it very informative either. Isn't that interesting how you defend white people who do cause the problems and then you make it a point to say that only (some) of these white people created the problems. I only defend the white people who don't cause "the problems". E.g. if a white mob lynches a black person, don't expect me to defend them against your words. You could have just as well did the research your self [---] I don't have the time nor the money to do a study on old Rom and Greece. That's also why I could not google further to see how exactly the Romans colonized Britain and other parts of Europe nor was I able to spend money on the books across whichs titles I came during my search. Learning African LanguagesYou can learn them wherever you are. Ask your husband to teach you or your friends. Or put an announcement in a newspaper: "Speaker of Igbo Wanted, Prize for Lessons Negotiable". I know four white girls here who have never been to Nigeria but speak (some little) Yoruba. Have you seen the blanket in which Jesus was wrapped after his crucification? Do you believe in Jesus? No, I don't believe in Jesus and I have no religion just a way of life.
What does this have to do with actual Roman art which is available in an earlier time way before Jesus? My point: We both don't believe in it but some people (correctly or falsely) take that blanket as a proof that the story of Jesus as told in the bible is true. What I said was, you are trying to say that my interpretation is right and your interpretation is right but neither of us is wrong although our interpretations are different. Sometimes, you just don't know who is right because both/all can present their findings in a logical way. Anyway, when I spoke about our different interpretations, I spoke about whether homosexuality should be condemned. As you told me, you don't condemn it. Hence actually, we don't disagree. [---] when I mentioned the picture to you, you didn't deny that you were white. Sista, would it really matter if I was white? Would it again make a difference if I was white but born and raised in Nigeria? Let me tell you: My skin is neither black nor white and neither is my mind. I am not required to give you any information about myself. If in consequence you think that I'm white, I can't care less. I don't consider "white" as something one has to be ashamed of. So call me "white" as much as you wish but don't call me "Not to cleaver". On a second thought, do it. It shows more about you than it does about me. For instance, I refuse to begin a topic that will show the reason for white people not being able to understand. Well you started a topic on "[---] What White People Really Want" PS, I saw you earlier studying my profile, I wonder what you are up to. Undecided I've seen you doing the same. What are YOU up to? [---] my own people [---] And there lays the difference: My own people are my relatives and friends and they are [in alphabetical order] black, chinese, mixed and white [I hope I didn't forget anybody]. They also are heterosexual and homosexual. Old and young. Female and male. Etc. etc. @Topic: Some of my people are homosexual and I love em! |
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Donzman (m)
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Homos belong in psychiatric wards. |
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superman (m)
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something will never change! the idea that africa will surely get on his feet shouldnt involve some people anticipation ! damn going mad hey looks like it! so ambiguous as usual!
now one wonder the feeling behind ur personal computer. maybe ur gay looking face has a lot to explain for the love emm yea
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