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goodguy (m)
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what makes you think the christain version of events will happen and not the Buddha version or the Hindu version ? Mister, these things are happening already. Read LadyC's post again and check out all the links she provided. You do have a funny standard of evidence, goodguy. You'll believe anything as long as it somewhat supports your belief system. I don't believe just anything. I believe in this because it's the truth. These things are happening already. Can't you people see?? Anyway, more to follow (but it won't be today or tomorrow, I have presents to pack, shopping to do and a family party to attend for christmas)
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nferyn (m)
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So you actually celebrate Christmas. Yes, we do have the right to relaim the winter solistice the Christians stole from us, no Peace  |
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LadyC (f)
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All the major religions - Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatologypredict the end of the world, what makes you think the christain version of events will happen and not the Buddha version or the Hindu version ? Yes, it's just as Goodguy has posted. Look at all the information and links I've posted. The Christian version of events have happened, are happening, and will continue to happen. |
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joftech (m)
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When some people talk about the world ending with a big calamity and stuff i can only but wonder how they manage to get their fact. Am a Catholic and the Catholic church does not lay much enversy on the possibility of the world ending in a day. What we are told is to do good so that when we die we will make heaven, that makes alot of sense. For centuries people have been speculating the end of the world in a day as a result of natural hazards and stuffs that have scientific explanations. My own believe is that the world is ending on a daily basis, so live well, life good. LadyC your points that those documents signify the mark of the beast is false, those documents are numbered from 1 so what number will they give to document 666? Check here to see the whole index. Goodguy if you are a man you need to have your own views on issues, i have been seeing some of your posts here. You are easily swayed by Bible passages even if the person quoting the Bible is deceiving you. As far as i'm concerned if NASA announces an Asteroid will hit the planet then i'll believe the world will end. It seems the world is really about to end, here is an excerpt from my blog. The End is Nigh. (9:15 a.m. EDT on June 1, 2014)
According to this report by Yahoo, the much-anticipated end of the world may finally happen on 9:15 a.m. EDT on June 1, 2014.
Mind you am not a prophet of doom, and don’t stop working because of this report.
Below is the report.
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Scared-stiff astronomers have detected a mysterious mass they've dubbed a "chaos cloud" that dissolves everything in its path, including comets, asteroids, planets and entire stars -- and it's headed directly toward Earth! Discovered April 6 by NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory, the swirling, 10 million-mile- wide cosmic dust cloud has been likened to an "acid nebula" and is hurtling toward us at close to the speed of light -- making its estimated time of arrival 9:15 a.m. EDT on June 1, 2014. "The good news is that this finding confirms several cutting- edge ideas in theoretical physics," announced Dr. Albert Sherwinski, a Cambridge based astrophysicist with close ties to NASA. "The bad news is that the total annihilation of our solar system is imminent." Experts believe the chaos cloud is composed of particles spawned near the event horizon of a black hole (a form of what's called Hawking Radiation) that have been distorted by mangled information spewed from the hole. "A super-massive black hole lies about 28,000 light-years from Earth at the center of our galaxy," explained Dr. Sherwinski. "Last year the eminent physicist Stephen Hawking revised his theory of black holes -- which previously held that nothing could escape the hole's powerful gravitational field. He demonstrated that information about objects that have been sucked in can be emitted in mangled form. "It now appears that mangled information can distort matter. "Just imagine our galaxy the Milky Way as a beautiful, handwritten letter. "Now imagine pouring a glass of water on the paper and watching the words dissolve as the stain spreads. That's what the chaos cloud does to every star or planet it encounters." To avoid widespread panic, NASA has declined to make the alarming discovery public. But Dr. Sherwinski's contacts at the agency's Chandra X-ray Observatory leaked to him striking images of the newly discovered chaos cloud obliterating a large asteroid. "It's like watching a helpless hog being dissolved in a vat of acid," one NASA scientist told Dr. Sherwinski. Ordinarily, Hawkings Radiation is harmless. "It's produced when an electron- positron pair are at the event horizon of a black hole," Dr. Sherwinski explained. "The intense curvature of space-time of the hole can cause the positron to fall in, while the electron escapes." But when "infected" by mangled information from the black hole, the particles become a chaos cloud, which in turn mangles everything it touches. "If it continues unchecked, the chaos cloud will eventually reduce our galaxy to the state of absolute chaos that existed before the birth of the universe," the astrophysicist warned. Some scientists say mankind's best hope would be to build a "space ark" and hightail it to the Andromeda Galaxy, 2.1 million light-years away. "We wouldn't be able to save the entire human population, but perhaps the best and the brightest," observed British rocket scientist Dr. David Hall, when asked about the feasibility of such a project. But even if such a craft could be built in time, evacuating Earth might prove fruitless if theories about the origin of the chaos cloud are correct. "A black hole at the center of Andromeda is about 15 times the size of the one in our own galaxy," Dr. Sherwinski noted. "It might be like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire." Speaking under the condition of anonymity, a senior White House official said the president's top science advisors are taking the findings in stride. "This is a lot like global warming, where the jury is still out on whether it's real or not," said the official. "The existence of this so called chaos cloud is only a theory. Americans shouldn't panic until all the facts are in." |
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goodguy (m)
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Goodguy if you are a man you need to have your own views on issues, i have been seeing some of your posts here. You are easily swayed by Bible passages even if the person quoting the Bible is deceiving you. I think I have addressed this issue earlier. If you feel I am easily swayed by bible passages, I guess that's ur opinion, which of course, you're entitled to. I believe in what's true. I know the truth when I see it. |
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LadyC (f)
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LadyC your points that those documents signify the mark of the beast is false, those documents are numbered from 1 so what number will they give to document 666? Check here to see the whole index. Well, I don't think it is mere coincidence that Article 666 is the particular article that gives this man power as High Representative and Secretary General. And, I don't think it's mere coincidence that the document that gives him power to control the political and military councils in the event of an emergency is called Recommendation 666. |
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ijebuman (m)
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Well, I don't think it is mere coincidence that Article 666 is the particular article that gives this man power as High Representative and Secretary General. And, I don't think it's mere coincidence that the document that gives him power to control the political and military councils in the event of an emergency is called Recommendation 666.
666 wrong number of prophetic beast?
Newly examined Scripture fragment lends credence to argument it's 616
For centuries, people have been intrigued by the number 666, the "number of the beast" from the Book of Revelation in the New Testament.
Not only is it mentioned in the Bible, it has been associated with the Satanism, universal price codes and the game of roulette, as the numbers on the wheel add up to 666.
Now, the legendary number is getting a fresh look, as researchers are re-examining evidence the number may actually be 616.
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The National Post quotes Elijah Dan, professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, as saying the new number won't likely have an impact in the popularity of 666.
"Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it. It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations." Read the full article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44169 |
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LadyC (f)
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That's an interesting article, and I think some Bibles have footnotes saying the number translated from the original Greek could be 616. However, that still does not dismiss how events are confirming the Biblical prophecies. See my previous posts. Here's another one. In the Bible, it is prophesied that Magog (modern Central Asia - Islamic republics of Russia), Meshech (Turkey), Tubal (Turkey) Persia (Iran), Ethiopa (modern day Sudan), Put (Libya), Gomer (also Turkey), and Beth-togarmah (Southern Turkey) would attack Israel. But God would defend Israel against them. Ezekiel 38-39. Interestingly enough, all of these nations are Muslim nations, and Iran, Libya, and Sudan are three of Israel's most fervent opponents. Recently, Iran has been trying to develop its nuclear weapons program. And its president recently said that Israel should be wiped off the earth. http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1601413,00.html It is also interesting to note that Russia and Iran have signed a nuclear deal. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177616,00.html; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4301889.stm And, Israel fears that with the US. pulling out its troops from Iraq, that might embolden these nations to attack. http://www.jnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=494 |
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joftech (m)
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That's an interesting article, and I think some Bibles have footnotes saying the number translated from the original Greek could be 616. However, that still does not dismiss how events are confirming the Biblical prophecies. See my previous posts. Here's another one. In the Bible, it is prophesied that Magog (modern Central Asia - Islamic republics of Russia), Meshech (Turkey), Tubal (Turkey) Persia (Iran), Ethiopa (modern day Sudan), Put (Libya), Gomer (also Turkey), and Beth-togarmah (Southern Turkey) would attack Israel. But God would defend Israel against them. Ezekiel 38-39. Interestingly enough, all of these nations are Muslim nations, and Iran, Libya, and Sudan are three of Israel's most fervent opponents. Recently, Iran has been trying to develop its nuclear weapons program. And its president recently said that Israel should be wiped off the earth. http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1601413,00.html It is also interesting to note that Russia and Iran have signed a nuclear deal. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177616,00.html; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4301889.stm And, Israel fears that with the US. pulling out its troops from Iraq, that might embolden these nations to attack. http://www.jnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=494One of the major reasons why Arabs are always at a logerhead with Isreal stems from the fact that Arabs (Yishmael's descendant in Arabia, although some contest this, but we all know how Oduduwa came to Ife to dominae the locals that he met there hence the claim that the Yoruba race is from Arabia) are descendants of Abraham . I hope you know that Yishmael mother, Hagar was sent out of Abraham's househood so there's a natural tendency for Yishmael to have a bitter stance toward Isaac (father of Israel)just like between Jacob(Israel)and Esau).So i don't know if the rivalry that has been between the same family members for ages will lead to the sudden end of the world as we have been expecting. I want you to also know that the Babylonians and the Israel have been attacking each others even before Chrsit. |
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ijebuman (m)
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in an earlier post you said “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six [666].” Revelation 13:18 KJV. It is interesting to note that the document that gives Javier Solana his authority as High Representative for the European Union Common Foreign and Security Policy is named Article 666. Another document called Recommendation 666, which was drafted by Javier Solana himself, calls for special powers to be given to the High Representative, enabling him to take control of political and military councils in the event of an emergency.
http://europa.eu.int/abc/doc/off/rg/en/1998/x0666.htm
http://www.assemblee-ueo.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/txt/2000/rec666.html
.But now you say I think some Bibles have footnotes saying the number translated from the original Greek could be 616. However, that still does not dismiss how events are confirming the Biblical prophecies. you never let up do you so that means any references to 666 you used in this thread is no longer valid. I suppose recommendation 616 doesn't have that 'doomsday' feel to it http://europa.eu.int/abc/doc/off/rg/en/1998/x0616.htmMeshech (Turkey), Tubal (Turkey) Persia (Iran), Ethiopa (modern day Sudan), Put (Libya), Gomer (also Turkey), and Beth-togarmah (Southern Turkey) would attack Israel. So you're saying Turkey a major US ally and a member of NATO (and a potential member of the EU) will now join in an attack on another major US ally, Israel.  Interestingly enough, all of these nations are Muslim nations, and Iran, Libya, and Sudan are three of Israel's most fervent opponents. Recently, Iran has been trying to develop its nuclear weapons program. And its president recently said that Israel should be wiped off the earth.
Its all political rhetoric, the reality is that Israel has nuclear weapons so it's highly unlikely any other nation will be stupid enough to use it against them. I will go on to say that Israel is more likely to use nuclear weapons first if it feels overwhelmed by a numerically superior Arab army. The Arabs are unlikely to use it first as any nuclear attack on Israel will not only affect the Jews but the Palestinians as well, Israel is also a small country so any nuclear fallout will affect the surrounding Arab countries as well. The fight is for the land and no one gets anything if nuclear weapons are used. |
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joftech (m)
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Good points ijebuman. But we can never fathom what's in the minds of these leaders, i pray God will not allow any insane man to rule any of these WMD having nations
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LadyC (f)
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In addition to prophecies about the end times, the Bible also contains prophecies that have already been fulfilled. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls ( http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/scrolls/toc.html; http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/266) is strong support that the prophecies were made before the actual events prophesied happened. For more on prophecies that have already been fulfilled, check out http://www.100prophecies.org/ and http://aboutbibleprophecy.com/. Here's one example. Daniel predicted the four great kingdoms Bible passage: Daniel 2:32-33 Written: about 530 BC Fulfilled: Throughout history; to be completed during End Times In Daniel 2:32-33, there is a passage that symbolically identified the four great kingdoms that would rise up and control much of world, beginning in Daniel's lifetime. The passage uses symbolic imagery: 1. The head of gold, as Daniel explained, refers to the Babylonian empire that ruled much of the world about 2600 years ago. 2. Daniel said that the head-of-gold empire would be followed by an empire symbolized by arms of silver. Christian scholars have often interpreted this to refer to the Medo-Persian empire which later conquered the Babylonian empire. The scholars say that the two arms refer to the two groups - the Medes and the Persians - who comprised the Medo-Persian empire. 3. The third kingdom was symbolized by the statue's belly and thighs of brass. Some scholars believe that this is a reference to the Grecian empire, which conquered the Medo-Persian empire. The symbol of a belly and thighs of brass suggests that the kingdom was to start out as a united empire but end up as a divided empire. Under the leadership of Alexander the Great, the Grecian Empire was a united empire. But after Alexander's death, the empire was divided into four parts and was later reduced to two parts. 4. The fourth symbol - that of iron legs and feet that were part iron and part clay - has often been suggested to be a reference to the Roman Empire, which later conquered the Grecian Empire. The Roman Empire was very powerful, but it was also very diverse, claiming dominion over a wide variety of different nations. That diversity later contributed to the downfall of the empire. These four kingdoms ruled over much of the world, and each of the four ruled over the land of Israel during times in which a significant number of Jews - and perhaps a majority of Jews - were living in their homeland. Before the collapse of the Roman Empire, Jerusalem was destroyed and hundreds of thousands of Jews were forced into exile. Even today, a majority of Jews still live outside of Israel. Many Christian scholars suggest that the Roman Empire will be revived [the European Union] and will once again seek to control Israel [See Daniel 9:26-27; Daniel 8:9-14, 23-26; Daniel 7:23-27]. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Daniel 2:32-33 Daniel predicts a fifth and final kingdom - one symbolized by stone. This kingdom would be set up by God and would never be destroyed. Daniel 2:34-35. Now, if the prophecies of the first four kingdoms were literally fulfilled (and the prophecy of the fourth kingdom is again being fulfilled with the rise of the European Union), I have no doubt that the prophecy of the final kingdom will be literally fulfilled. Note: Daniel specifically interprets the above symbols as kingdoms. See Daniel 2:36-49 |
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LadyC (f)
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any references to 666 you used in this thread is no longer valid. I respectfully disagree. I don't think the article you posted is as important as you make it out to be. The common interpretation is 666. And, as seen by my post on the subject, the number 666 is popping up in relation to events that appear to be fulfillments of prophecy. |
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ijebuman (m)
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I don't think the article is as important as you make it out to be. The common interpretation is 666. And, as seen by my post on the subject, the number 666 is popping up in relation to events that appear to be fulfillments of prophecy.
oh now its not important, you mentioned this site http://www.evenmore.co.uk/prophecy/antichrist.html and based most of your argument about the new world order and the rise of the Anti christ on this His number is Six hundred threescore and six (666 - Revelation 13:18)
His position as High Representative of the WEU is linked in two places with the number 666 in official EU documents.
The first document issued in 1998 by the European commission was called Article 666, and which called for the immediate election of a High Representative for the EU Common Foreign and Security Policy who would have a "strong political profile", and be backed by "credible operational capabilities".
The second document, called "Recommendation 666" which was drafted by Javier Solana himself, called for special powers to be given to the High Representative, enabling him to take control of political and military councils in the event of an emergency.http://www.evenmore.co.uk/prophecy/antichrist.html "Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it. It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44169need i say more |
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ijebuman (m)
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There is no consensus on the meaning of Jesus' and Paul's discussions of the end of the world as they knew it. Various interpretations of key passages in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) lead to totally opposite conclusions:
A literal interpretation of these passages shows that Jesus and Paul believed that the end would come sometime in their own very near future -- certainly during the 1st century CE. That, of course, did not happen. As reported, Peter and Paul's beliefs were simply wrong.
A symbolic meaning is the only other choice. Religious conservatives generally believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. Since they believe that Jesus is one person in the Trinity, then he could not have been in error. Since Paul's writing was directly inspired by God and preserved from error then he could not have been mistaken. Thus a literal interpretation of Jesus' and Paul's sayings cannot be the correct ones. They must have intended to convey a more obscure, non-literal meaning. read the rest here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl16.htmThe Bible contains many prophecies about the future. The Christian Scriptures (New Testament) in particular talks extensively about the return of Jesus Christ to this earth. 1 This is usually called his "second coming," or "parousia." The Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 24, is devoted to this topic, as is much of the book of Revelation, and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. Four important events are predicted:
The Millennium: Revelation describes an important interval lasting for 1000 years when Christ rules. 1 This is a golden era; a time of universal peace. The concept was first proposed by the ancient Persian religion of Zoroastrianism.
The Tribulation: This is a 7 year interval when a world religious-political leader called the Antichrist takes power.
Armageddon is a terrible war provoked by the Antichrist. Most people on earth will die. God's anger, hatred, and wrath are poured out over mankind and the earth at this time. A series of violent events as prophesied in Daniel 9, Matthew 24, and Revelation 4-19 will occur.
The Rapture: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 describes a miraculous event when Christ will descend from the heavens. Conservative Protestants believe that faithful "born again" Christians who have previously died will be resurrected, rise from their graves, and ascend to meet Jesus in the sky. Immediately afterwards, "born again" Christians who had not died will also ascend into the air. They will abandon cars, airplanes, factory jobs, homes, families, friends etc. Since the vast majority of humans are not "born again," most people will remain behind on earth. More details on the rapture.
Unfortunately, this and various other Biblical passages predicting the future are ambiguous. The events themselves are open to many interpretations. There is no clear indication of either their timing or sequence. This leaves the passages open to many conflicting beliefs about the end times. A lot of intra-denominational strife has resulted from disagreements about end time prophecy.read the rest here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/millenni.htmEver since Christ's death, many Christians have been expecting the second coming in their immediate future. Most Fundamentalist and other conservative Christians believe that The Rapture will occur when Christ first returns towards earth. Most believe that Christ will not actually land or stay on earth at this time; the "real" second coming will occur later, when he returns on a horse leading an army on horseback who will exterminate one third of the earth's population in a massive genocide. It will be numerically the largest mass extermination of humans in history. In terms of the percentage of humans to be killed in a genocide, it will be second only to the flood of Noah.
The rapture concept is essentially ignored by most other Christian faith groups. It does not form a part of any other religion. It is dismissed by essentially all liberal Christian theologians. Many Bible handbooks, commentaries, dictionaries and encyclopedia do not even list "rapture" in their indices.read the rest here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/rapture.htm
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LadyC (f)
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I did not base most of my posts on the number 666. The number 666 is only one of the many indications I posted of the end times and of the possible future Antichrist. |
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joftech (m)
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For a Biblical, Quranic and Scientific prove about the end of the universe kindly read through this. The truth here is more or less the actuall truth about things that will most likely happen to this present universe as we know it. |
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goodguy (m)
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I love this part:
With the tremendous scientific advancements of the twentieth century, we have placed our trust in science and technology to solve all our problems. Daaled by the ability of technology to give quick results, our faith in Allah has become weak. Our actions are for worldly goals although a stronger belief in God and accountability in afterlife would have made better people out of us. We can see the results of this in the moral decay that is afflicting many societies all over the world.
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joftech (m)
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At times when i read some part of the Quran i used to wonder why some people claiming to be Muslims do engage in some bad acts.
The Bible and the Quran have the same view and opinion on most issues partaining to the universe.
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goodguy (m)
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You're very right, Joftech. The problem is not with the religion itself. The problem is with those that practise the religion. Islam and Christianity have so many things in common. But we as human beings will always want to prove/claim supremacy in preference to one, over the other.
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alheri (f)
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At times when i read some part of the Quran i used to wonder why some people claiming to be Muslims do engage in some bad acts.
The Bible and the Quran have the same view and opinion on most issues partaining to the universe.
You're very right, Joftech. The problem is not with the religion itself. The problem is with those that practise the religion. Islam and Christianity have so many things in common. But we as human beings will always want to prove/claim supremeness in preference to one, over the other.
That is the human factor my bros. We can't help it |
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LadyC (f)
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Islam and Christianity do have a lot of things in common. However, they differ on a very important thing - the deity of Jesus Christ. The Bible says that no matter what we do, it won't be good enough to enter Heaven because we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23. The Quran says: "Every soul that has sinned, if it possessed all that is on earth, would fain give it in ransom..." (Surah 10:54). If a person possessed the whole world and offered it to God as a sacrifice for his sins, it wouldn’t be enough to provide atonement for his sins. Imagine that a criminal is facing a $50,000 fine. He is penniless, so he sincerely tells the judge that he is sorry for a crime and vows never to do it again. The judge won’t let him go on the basis of his sorrow, or his vow never to commit the crime again. Of course, he should be sorry for what he has done, and of course, he shouldn’t break the law again. The judge will, however, let him go if someone else pays the fine for him. Moses gave instructions to Israel to shed the blood of a spotless lamb to provide a temporary atonement for their sin; and that Jesus was the Lamb that God provided to make atonement for the sins of the world. Through faith in Jesus, a person can have atonement with God. All his sin can be washed away—once and for all. God can grant him the gift of everlasting life through faith in Jesus Christ on the basis of His death and resurrection. The uniqueness of Jesus of Nazareth was that He claimed He had power on earth to forgive sins (Matthew 9:2–6). No other prophet of any of the great religions made this claim. Only Jesus can provide peace with God. This is why He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me" (John 14:6). God commands sinners to repent and trust in Jesus as Lord and Savior, or they will perish. John 3:16-18; Luke 13:1-5 To accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, click on the following link: http://www.feargod.com/chod/steps.htm |
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lifexpress (m)
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When I asked my spiritual teacher this question, his reply was quite simple:
1. At bedtime, say to yourself: Lord Shiow Me Truth, or better still: Lord Show Me Love. Say this to yourself slowly until you drift off to sleep. And you'll find the answer to the question for yourself.
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IBEXY (m)
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Iran is developing nuclear energy  There is no better signal of the end of days. Think of it. All those mad mullahs having their fingers on the trigger of a nuclear weapon. Lord Have mercy I think that is why the Americans Have intensified their search for an alternative planet. The earth is bound to go up in nuclear flames one day. |
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MP007 (m)
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It just occured to me yesterday when i was pondering about the whole earth global warming thing , geeez.Its like we are acting out the book of revelations .what JVI on TBN christian network for more details , the end time is closer than ever, that we can imagine, hold on people of God, hold on firm
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na wa (m)
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the answer is, definitely YES. the day u die will be your end time.
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Kuns
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Yes, refer to the book of Revelations. See Revelations 1: 1.
Also, If you can get your hands of the Holy Tablets you will see of the predictions that are taking place in this day and time.
Yes, this is the end of times for some, and they will be a hereafter according to the book of Revelations.
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BASETSANA (f)
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l think we are,cause the situation in the world is getting worse and worse
famines
drought
war
children rising against their parents
the list is endless ,and these are the signs that are written in the Bible,which are said to mark the end time!
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