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debosky (m)
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let them continue spending like that, they will fall like real madrid if they don't learn soon. Manchester United also tried the big spending, buying veron and all that, it didnt get them anywhere. money can only do so much, no matter the cash spent,it will never win chelski the CL. mark my words
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lordimpaq (m)
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no matter the cash spent,it will never win chelski the CL. mark my words
i can't make that statement, its a gamble, they've got what it takes to win it, so i can't mark your words, 
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debosky (m)
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well they might have what it takes in terms of cash to win it, but that will never be enough, they simply don't have the heart for it. maureen might, but most of the team is just like a set of paid mercenaries out to make a quick buck, teams with that attitude can only go so far.
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lordimpaq (m)
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of course u know am not talkin about cash,
they've got players to do it, if real madrid can, so what stops chelsea,
bear in mind that when real splashed a lot of money on the duo of zidane and figo, they won the league and the champions league,
chelsea have won the league back to back except ofcourse the UCL which has eluded them, but they can win it, i'm not saying they will, i'm saying they can or may,
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debosky (m)
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I remember real did, but also remember they had a team that had been together like 3 -4 seasons before that. remember morientes, raul, hierro, makalele, guti, salgado, casillas had all been together since 98/99 before these new additions. its this backbone that won them the titles in addition to zidane and figo.
chelski on the other hand don't have this backbone, most of the players, if not all are there for the money, period, not a true desire to play football, that is what i mean by the real team attitude/spirit
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lordimpaq (m)
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for once i agree with you, 
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debosky (m)
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true and objective arsenal fans always do in the end 
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Jackal (m)
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@deboksy,
If money cannot bring u success then what else can? Man Utd won the premiership when they bought Veron and Ferdinand. Don't even argue that. Real Madrid have been able to win Champions League in the 90's because they had the crop of the best players in the world. How did Madrid get these players? Cash and lots of it.
Chelsea can win UEFA if they put their mind to it. They have got the players and the team spirit is awesome. The only snag about Chelsea is how they intend to keep those buncha millionaires happy on the bench. If Mourinho can work the plot out, Chelsea is good to go.
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debosky (m)
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dude the guys who carried real madrid were raul, casillas, salgado, guti. all those players didnt cost RM anything close to SWP or any of the other flops chelski have bought. they had a loyal, dedicated and passionate core, something chelski doesnt have and may never have (unless they change their ways)
what won man utd the prem was also a passionate core - giggs, scholes, keane, neville brothers, and ruud bwoy, not simply cash, veron and rio were minor factors.
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lordimpaq (m)
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i aint sayin nothing, i'll just stay by the sidelines and watch,  i am not sayin you(debosky) are wrong though,
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Jackal (m)
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U seem to be missing the points like a NBA free-throw shots. Don't delude yourself to think Chelsea has no core. Chelski has strength in-depth and the hunger to win at all costs. Winning Premiership titles back to back aint no fluke. Afterall, Wenger is still chasing this feat in spite of his acclaimed brilliance by his die-hard fans.
Furthermore, Chelsea has uniformity. Mourinho hardly changes the spine of his team whether he plays a Man Utd/Arsenal or a conference league team. In fairness, Jose has been lucky with team injuries as his players rarely go on a long injury-spell. Cech-Terry-Makelele-Lampard-Drogba is the spine.
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debosky (m)
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here you go with your analogies again (r u tryin to pass a verbal reasoning test or something?  ) how much did arsenal spend to win their 2 doubles? is it close to the 50million pounds chelski spent this transfer season alone?? how much did arsenal spend in the season they went unbeaten?? how many players did they bring in? money can help you only so far, look around, the examples are clear. they are just a group of money grabbin mercenaries. your spine - please calculate the cost, they came to chelski to make money not play football drogba is part of the spine?? pray tell how much contribution did he have last season? if he was so good why sheva? drogba is a misfiring girlie man
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Jackal (m)
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Mourinho bought Sheva and Ballack because his aim is now the UEFA champions league and not the Premiership. Chelsea's bench of last season is capable of winning the title this year so Sheva was bought purposely to win UEFA and it aint about Drogba.
U r the only person that wont agree Chelsea has improved a great deal. Has Wenger's team been able to beat Chelsea since Mourinho arrived? Hell Naaaaaaaaaah. A team that accrued the highest points ever since the inception of Premiership has no spine? Puhleeeeeeeeeazzze. don't hate the West London club. They did somethin highly remarkable. Chelsea has raised the standards and whatz left is for other teams to catch up. Arsenal went unbeaten in 03/04 season with so many narrow-escapes. 26 Wins and 12 draws. Chelsea had 29 Wins 8 Draws Lost 1 and conceeded just 15 goals in Mourinho's debut season.
This same Chelsea team was a guaranteed 3 points for Arsenal(home n away) before Mourinho's arrival. The same Chelsea lost 7 matches and conceeded 30 goals the previous season before Jose's arrival. Ma guy, Money has really helped Chelsea configure the most deadly team in Europe at the moment. Who says money can't buy happiness?
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lordimpaq (m)
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if he was so good why sheva?
you hit home there, drogba is a misfiring girlie man
now that's what am talkin about, tell em debosky,
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lordimpaq (m)
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now we bring up the issue of drogba again,
drogba did not live up his 22m signing, how many goals did he even score,
true he really assisted them a lot with the aerial strength, but that was not what he was contracted for,
he was contracted to score goals havin impressed when he was in marseille, people expected more
i expected more, what did i get, "makelele gets the ball he throws a long ball to drogba, drogba heads down and who do u know, lampard, shoots he scores, "
these my fellows is what we get,
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debosky (m)
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dude don;t get me wrong i said money can only get you so far, yes chelski have improved, but their money isn't enough to get them the CL cup.
has chelski with all their stars reached the CL final? NO
did liverpool spend anything close to what chelski spent in 04/05? NO but they won the CL.
an arsenal team with MASSIVE injuries and in rebuilding mode reached the CL finals, so again money doesn't get you victory on the biggest stage, maybe in the prem, sure cuzz Manchester United and arsenal were in rebuilding mode.
Peeps have been saying Chelsea is europes 'most deadly' team for the past 3 seasons, from the time tinkerman ranieri was there. let them keep being deadly, while other teams win the cups.
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Jackal (m)
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Champions League is all about hardwork and a bit of luck. Chelsea would have reached the finals if they had played the same opponets Arsenal played enroute the finals. C'mon Deboksy. would have Arsenal have defeated Barcelona if they had met in the Q-final stages or the 2nd-round. Chelsea has been very unlucky with the draws and they might still meet Barca again because they r yet unseeded.
Talking about Liverpool and Arsenal compared to Chelsea, Liverpool did spend money because Rafa brought in some spaniards, he bought Cisse and the likes. Boring tactics got Liverpool to the finals and they were lucky to win Milan with penalty shoot-outs. Arsenal also employed Rafa's boring tactics ans they also reached the finals last year.
The league table is the only true test to compare these teams with Chelski. The table does not lie. Do the math and tell me the difference between Chelsea and the 2 teams u mentioned.
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debosky (m)
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yeah i'll do the math, in the history of the premiership who has won more? arsenal or chelski??
boring tactics?? i guess you didnt watch Arsenal -Real, Arsenal -Juve, Arenal -Villareal last season, ONLY in the second leg against valencia did arsenal play 'boring' tactics, but please isnt this chelski the same boring boring chelsea we've been hearing about? how come their boring style hasn't won them the CL?
No one believed arsenal would beat Real or Juventus, y'all were predicting the death of arsenal.
even that CL final if the ref had used his sense and given the goal instead of sending off lehmann, we might be saying something different today
winning the CL takes passionate teamwork, and unity, not a band of highly paid mercenaries.
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Jackal (m)
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@deboksy the optimist,
If the referee had given that goal Barca would have won by 3-0.or even 4-0. Barcelona needed that early goal to get Arsenal out of their shells but the freak official sent Lehmann off instead. Arsenal would have bombed forward tryin to equalise and this would have given Etoo and Dinho the needed time and space to cause havoc.
Chelsea might get it right this time. I don't support Chelsea at all but i think they have the best team in England. Will Wenger ever beat Jose's team? I don't think so.
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debosky (m)
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they have the best players in england no doubt
but the best team? we'll see
Wenger just might beat them this season
the CL final is open to many interpretations though
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lordimpaq (m)
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@debosky
amen to that,
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hucarson (m)
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@ Lordimpaq, Chelsea rocks but they might be vulnerable this season. Man Utd and Tottenham is the only visible threat to Chelsea for now. I don't think Arsenal can surprise Chelsea because the team needs serious rehab and Wenger is sleeping.
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lordimpaq (m)
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its not a matter of they might be vulnerable,
they are vulnerable,
all teams are vulnerable,
and again anything is possible,
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Christino (m)
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What's this i'm seeing here with ticket prices? I need more info, the last i know, the gunners charge the most exhorbitant ticket prices (understandable due to their tiny Highbury capacity) that should change now.
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Jackal (m)
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@Christino,
London clubs are able to charge higher ticket prices than clubs in other parts of the country (particularly for corporate facilities).
Tottenham charges the highest ticket prices on Premiership games. White Hart Lane ticket ranges from 55-70 pounds(face-value)
Chelsea FC is 2nd because they charge up to 35-60 pounds. Peter Kenyon froze the prices around April and these prices will remain so for the next 3 years.
Man Utd charges between 23-38 pounds and i understand Arsenal will charge between 32-66 pounds in their new stadium. and Wigan is the lowest in the country as they charge between 17-25 pounds.
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Christino (m)
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FYI on ticket prices: http://www.anr.uk.com/articles/i-2005-07-04-08-40-53.htmlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4895330.stmI'D stick with the bbc one though, the other one's kind of old. Meanwhile, I pray Boro can disgrace the top teams again this season, with nothing to lose, and nothing to play for, no Europe, the carling cup will do. I believe Liverpool will twack Chelsea this season, Bellamy my homegrown pacy boy will destroy chelsea's paper wall of course with the help of rebounds. Cech MUST drop those heavy shots from Gerrard but Reina/Dudek should also be ready to face hotter shots from one of my greatest ballers around - Ballack. Come to think of it, who has the most powerful shot: Ballack, Gerrard or Lampard?
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Jackal (m)
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@ Christino. Rooney or maybe Paul Scholes has the most powerful shot in the Premiership.
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Christino (m)
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Are you very sure? Do you mean Lampard, Gerrard and Chief Ballack shoot beans?
I've seen a nice one by Joey Barton also. Scholes is undoubted, I remember Rooney's against Arsenal too.
Meanwhile the comparison was between Lamps, Gerrard and Ballack, who's got the hottest shot?
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Jackal (m)
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Gerrard should be winning that with ease.
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otolorin (m)
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of 'em trio - i giv it to GERRARD -
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lordimpaq (m)
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paul Scholes anyday, anytime,
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