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blue-sky (f)
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According to BBC, there are 88,105 LEGAL Nigerians in Britain
can you put the websitr source please |
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denex
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@SEFAGO
You are a very strange fellow O! You said you won't accept a fact because it was only one line? ie
plenty story = truth
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SEFAGO (m)
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Yes do you have a problem with that ?  |
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Tornadoz (m)
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According to BBC, there are 88,105 LEGAL Nigerians in Britain And about 1million illegal Naija migrants. |
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Vercetti4
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SEFAGO you are very funny you know that? Just because I live in the UK it doesnt mean I don't know what goes on in the USA or take no interest in it. I've always been fascinated with the USA and American culture and history and I do alot of reading and resarch on USA subjects. I go to the USA alot and do alot of research on it. And while I do find time to do other things to do in the UK, it's discussions like these that I find interesting to participate in.
THIS GUY can't HANDLE THE WEIGHT OF MY EVIDENCE AND HE'S KNOWS I'M RIGHT! ALL YOU GUYS, THIS SEFAGO NIGGA IZ CRAZY! SEFAGO ALL YOU SEEM TO DO IS TALK BUT DO NO RESEARCH!
Whats is your problem bro? don't you know your own people? Don't you know how fast and easily Nigerians multiply and spread all over the world unnoticed until it gets to the point when people realize and it's too late? I have shown you some facts and figures and you still choose to be stubborn and cynical. I mean check the link I gave you it's not from any old made-up website is it? It's from an offical United States Government website thats states there ARE ONE MILLION NIGERIANS IN THE USA - how are you going to question that? I can't give you physical evidence man, I can only show you some examples of what I know and researched and thats why I gave you the website links. If you were to to physically count every Nigerian in America (both legal and illegal) I bet you will find even more than a million! Listen, most official estimates I've seen and researched put the figure for at least one million. Alot this information comes from Official US government estimates and also Nigerian-American community organizations that actually carry out their own studies from registration, independant censuses and international money remittance data. I brought you some evidence and you have brought nothing. All you are doing is talking with confidence and hot air and producing no form of counter-claims or counter-evidence. And don't bother with US 2000 census figures because it can't be that accurate to leave out 20 million undocumented immigrants, legal or illegal! Listen SEFAGO you fool there are officially 1.7 million or nearly 2 million people of Sub-Saharan African descent in the USA according to census figures and Nigerians are the largest African immigrant group to the USA by far, so there can easily be one million Nigerians in the USA. Even so, there are probably more Africans in the USA than that number realistically and you should be intelligent enough to know this.
* First of all you idiot - I was talking about immigrant numbers, not country populations when I spoke of the comparison of Nigeria's population abroad and and Jamaica's and other Caribbean Islands. 5% percent of Nigerians live abroad out of 150 million, and I'm no mathematician but that number has to run into a few millions, with most living in the USA and the UK. Surely you can understand that? When I meant abroad I meant Nigerian immigrants of all kinds you fool. Look I agree with you, Caribbeans have been coming to the States for a long time, but before 1960 they came in much smaller numbers before than they do now. It is a similar situation with Africans, except most Africans started immigrating more from the 1960's onwards. Before 1960 black immigration to the United States was restricted due to racist laws, so even though Caribbeans came before 1960 it was not in great numbers as a whole, so their numbers would not have jumped so far up just yet. It is more than likely the number of African and Caribbean immigrants nationwide in the USA is similar. Most Caribbeans in the USA live in large concentrations in New York (North-east) and Florida, they do not live in large numbers all over the country, and I know this because I've researched it. In contrast you will find Nigerians and other Africans live in many parts of the USA all over - New York, New Jersey, Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, Los Angeles, Minneapolis etc, not just concentrated in two main areas like the Caribbeans are. I know many Africans who live in some parts of the USA where they say they see little or no Caribbeans at all and I'm not lying.
The majority black group in the United States are the idigenous African-Americans who number about 35 million.
There are about 2 million blacks in the USA of non-Hispanic Caribbean descent.
There are about 2 million blacks in the USA of SubSaharan African descent.
Total of blacks in American around 37 million, with the African-Americans being the overwhelming majority.
OFFICIAL FACTS. AND IF YOU want to CHECK IT SEFAGO THEN DO SO BEACAUSE THATS WHAT IT OFFICIALLY STATES.
* You dummy don't be silly. You really say silly things. You very well know that I was referring to Southern Nigerians about me stating the fact that most Nigerians I know have family in the United States. I was not really referring to Northern Nigerians, so don't try and get smart. Most Nigerians and their families that live in the UK or the USA and other Western nations are from Southern Nigeria. Yoruba, Igbo , Bini, Ijaw, Rivers, Delta and so on. All of these ethnic groups combined still amount up to at least 70 million people, with the Yoruba and Igbo being two of Nigeria's largest 3 groups. Out of that number there would still be millions of them with family members and relatives abroad living in the USA. There has to be and you'D be a fool to disagree.
* Next you are kind of right and kind of wrong yet again. Most black leaders in America were or are typical African-Americans. There are some of Caribbean descent like Colin Powell, Du Bois (only partially Haitian), Farrakhan and Malcolm X (half) but the majority of them are indigneous African-Americans and you would be a very silly man to argue with that. As for singers yes you have many black singers in the USA that are of Caribbean descent like Biggie, Busta, Rhianna and Wyclef. But don't be silly - most of the black singers on TV in the USA are African-American through and through and I don't know how you could even say that nonesense! If you knew more about music you'll find there are many black singers of direct African descent the USA and I'll name you some. Chamillionare (Nigerian), Akinyele (Nigerian), Styles P from D-block (South African), Akon (Senegalese), Jean Grae (South African), Lisa Left Eye Lopes (Cape Verdean), Papoose (West African, I think Liberia/Sierra Leone). There are many black sportstars in the USA of Nigerian descent in the fields of basketball and American football especially, theres too many to name and Hakkeem the Dream is not the only one either! One of the top US black heavyweight boxers contending for the crown in the States right now is the Nigerian-born Samuel Peter. There are many black US actors of Nigerian descent - Gbengba Akinnabe (Chris Partlowe from The Wire) is my fave and that cool film ,The Wood was directed by a Nigerian American. Have you heard of Kase Lawal? He owns the largest and most profitable black-owned company in America, CAMAC Holdings and he's Nigerian-born US citizen. My friend do some research!
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Vercetti4
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Listen SEFAGO I just want to say this. Just because you don't meet many Nigerians where you live or talk to alot of people that don't meet them, it doesn't mean anything - not a single thing. So what if it's your personal experience? My cousins tell me they are tons of Nigerians in the USA and come across them all the time. They are entrepenuers that travel alot all over the US too, so they see it. I respect your personal experiences and opinion, but it does not mean you are right. And I don't believe for one second you have visited every state and city in the USA to know that you are right for sure. The figure of one million Nigerian-Americans given by the US State Department's Bureau of African Affairs is a fact. They would not come up with that figure without it being based on reliable information and sources. I see no reason for them to lie about that. Why would they lie? You tell me.
* You mentioned yourself earlier that there around 500,000 Nigerians in the USA. Now when you include their American-born children, and unregistered and illegal immigrants add more to that number and collectively you will come up with at least between 1 to 2 million Nigerians in the USA (both Nigerian-born and American born). In fact 1 to 2 million is not that great a number anyway. The USA is a really HUGE country, and one or two million Nigerian immigrants can easily be spread all over the land without anyone really seeing a significant diffrence or impact on existing populations. Unless Nigerians actually concentrate themselves in a few major regions or cities like the Caribbeans do, then you wont really see a massive presence or cultural impact in one setting. Nigerians in America spread out all over the nation, they don't just concentrated themselves in a few cities or regions like the Caribbeans do in New York and Florida - two areas in the USA that are of great cultural influence to the rest of the country. This is the reason why the Caribbean presence is quite noticeable in these areas, giving people like you the perception there are so many of them around.
* Another stupid comment you made - " No Nigerian would leave Nigeria to live in the Deep South even if he was high on maruijana". My friend are that dumb? Most new Nigerians immigrating there are'nt even always aware of how serious racism is in the Deep South today. Even if they are it does'nt seem to bother them - There are so many Nigerians in places like Houston, Dallas, Atlanta and don't tell me there is not because there is. If you don't know that then you should know. These places are as deep down South you can get! You are the one that's high on marijuana! Come one don't be stupid, you sound more intelligent than that.
* Like I said Nigerians assimilate very easily and quickly (my American cousins tell me), you may not always tell who is a Nigerian. You made a silly comment about Nigerians in America still don't change the way they act - ermm excuse me thats what assimilation is all about, changing your personality and mannerisms and adopting those of the new society you have chosen to live in. You should know that many young Nigerians (even back in Nigeria) are wrapped up in African-American culture. It makes sense to believe they would easily melt away to the point you may not always tell they are Nigerian.
Anyway SEFAGO you wanted official statistics and I gave them to you so it's up to you accept them.
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na2day? (m)
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i will be very disappointed if the population of nigerians in the usa is just 1m. if u ever go to houston texas or atlanta georgia, they are crawling everywhere. go no go, we reach 2m, apart from those that have one parent that is nigerian
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CARUSO (m)
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@Poster
It is in-estimable!
don't be fooled by all these polls and figures the media is sending out!
naija people dey everywhere, living legally or illegally and figures would most likely be based on immigration control figures
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izeek (m)
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lets not be fooled by statistics,
the actual number of nigerians out there both legal and otherwise can not be estimated.
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komekn (m)
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In determining numbers of Nigerians abroad throw all official figures in the bin. There are two main parameters legal and illegal.
Within the legal there is another parameter legal but not found to be illegal yet, in the UK for instance do you know how many Nigerians operate on acquired nationalities for right of abode in the UK. In this respect a good % of Liberians, Sierra Leoneans are actually Nigerians, and then a few have trickled through as Congolese, etc. Add to that acquired legal status by hook or crook, i mean i know Nigerians as sad as it is who have died and been buired in their assumed and acquired names.
If we include the term of Nigerian origin in the UK at which generation do we stop I can assure you that in excess of 50% of all people of black mixed race heritage are of Nigerian origin, particularly in the port cities of Cardiff and Liverpool. A legacy of sailors past from Nigerian that predates even the First World War.
Finally add the legal and illegal in London alone, there is no street or tower block in inner city London you do not have Nigerian families, Peckham is almost like Mushin( sorry if you live in Peckham).
My projections for the UK are in excess of 3.5 million, the rest of Europe I would guess and say at least 500,000. The rest of the world Africa, the Americas in all honesty no idea, but surely they are in millions.
ming numbers of Nigerians fisrt
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EloSela (f)
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In determining numbers of Nigerians abroad throw all official figures in the bin. There are two main parameters legal and illegal.
Within the legal there is another parameter legal but not found to be illegal yet, in the UK for instance do you know how many Nigerians operate on acquired nationalities for right of abode in the UK. In this respect a good % of Liberians, Sierra Leoneans are actually Nigerians, and then a few have trickled through as Congolese, etc. Add to that acquired legal status by hook or crook, i mean i know Nigerians as sad as it is who have died and been buired in their assumed and acquired names.
If we include the term of Nigerian origin in the UK at which generation do we stop I can assure you that in excess of 50% of all people of black mixed race heritage are of Nigerian origin, particularly in the port cities of Cardiff and Liverpool. A legacy of sailors past from Nigerian that predates even the First World War.
Finally add the legal and illegal in London alone, there is no street or tower block in inner city London you do not have Nigerian families, Peckham is almost like Mushin( sorry if you live in Peckham).
My projections for the UK are in excess of 3.5 million, the rest of Europe I would guess and say at least 500,000. The rest of the world Africa, the Americas in all honesty no idea, but surely they are in millions.
ming numbers of Nigerians fisrt
There are only around 2 million black people in Britain making up 2% of the population. Black people which includes Nigerians, Caribbeans and other Africans. Ok so that is the official figure of every person of African descent in the UK but even with your estimation at 3.5 million that would mean that there are at least 1.5 million illegal unaccounted black people alone in Britain and I doubt that there are even that many illegal immigrants of any race in the country at all let alone that many illegal black people. This isn't the US where people can hide and work undercover to avoid being detected. The UK is a small island and I doubt that 1.5 million would be able to go undetected, legal or not. Peckham is also a very small area with a population I would say of not more than 26,000 and though the majority there may be Nigerians it is again far off from the inflated millions that every one else is quoting. |
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edition (f)
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I doubt the total population of black people in Britain is only two million. Even from my village alone a lot of families have someone in the UK. @nigeria1 Do you know how many Nigeria who had USA visa in the last 30 years, I would assume 50% never return come, because in Nigeria , before they give you visa , you would waste nearly one year at that embassy, they try nigerian like piece of S. Give pastor more than 500,000 naira in prayer, Visit bablawo 3,000 times, go to mosque 10 times a day, When you now get it, what most people do because they can't affort airline ticket, they sell all they have, With the desire never to return, they do not care if they are illegal in USA, because they believe an Illegal immigrate is better off than a citizen of Nigeria passport holder, They get here, Get married to a USA citizen, Use condom for awhile, the woman discovered why she have not had a child, buy her own condom and drill a hole in it, and the baby came(she calls the baby Miracle), He can't leave the USA for life, You know how people, They can't leave their children behind, Some even try kidnap to get the children back to Nigeria, it never worked out. Nigerian Men would say thank you to America woman for having a heart. what an analysis.  |
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Ibime (m)
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There are less than 2 million black people in the UK so I don't where Da Hitler gathers that there are 5 million Nigerians in the UK. In 2001, there were only 1.2 million Black people in UK as the link below shows: http://www.irr.org.uk/statistics/population.html |
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joke apart
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We live on hearsay. As long as Nigerians see plenty other Nigerians at Pecham market on Saturdays, they assume Nigerians make up 50% of the UK.
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tpia
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2001 was 7 years ago.
Unless there has been a steady exit of blacks from Britain at the same rate as they're entering the country, then the figures can't remain the same.
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naijaway (m)
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@izeek, 4 real u really said it all. Nigerian numbers cannot be estimated especially illegals and students.
There are lots of Nigerians in maryland alone not to talk about other states where the numbers fluctuate and I mean the rest of the 49states. And lets not forget the kids that are raised in their birth places outside Nigeria, the kids that were born someplace else but are currently in Nigeria, and the kids that their fathers left the responsibilities for their moms.
My estimate would be, 45million globally and 5 million in the united states; whereby, this numbers could be underestimated.
And also to the guy saying that Nigerians started travelling out not too long ago is just plain ignorance. Abeg, no too mind all that statistics.
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EloSela (f)
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2001 was 7 years ago.
Unless there has been a steady exit of blacks from Britain at the same rate as they're entering the country, then the figures can't remain the same.
2001 was 7 years ago but not too long ago and that is why I say 1.2 million then and maybe around 2 million now. That plus the point that these is no way the Brown/Blair would have allowed the UK borders to be penetrated by that many black people let alone Nigerians to the point where the population is now 5 million of us in the UK. If people take the time to leave peckham or thamesmead they will find that there is not that many black people in the UK at all.  |
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komekn (m)
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Elosela, let me attempt to shed some light on this discourse firstly my assertion remains the same government estimates remain entirely inaccurate. To substantiate my position consider this excerpt from a BBC investigative programme I watched yesterday not in 2001. More than 40 houses packed with illegal immigrants were identified in one square mile of Southall, west London. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7505574.stm) Although it is in reference to Indians comparative trends can be made to Nigerians. Not too long ago during parliamentary question time a senior Home office official admitted to not having any idea whatsover of how many failed asylum seekers were in the UK., there was no attempt to make estimates of illegal immigrants in the UK, as they would be completely inaccurate. Do you know the residential density of these houses that some of our people are living in 3 /4 persons in one room in a 4 bedroom house, in Dalston, Peckham, etc, etc? Furthermore there are political considerations do you think a labour government that is way down in the opinion polls is going to admit to having a huge immigration problem which they have no control over. I have both a personal and professional insight into this discourse. The regeneration of Liverpool as a city has been fuelled largely by influx of foreigners into the city who are economically active, creating socail and ecopnomic capital, Liverpool was designated European capital of culture 2008. Of These a good % are Nigerians. Considering national statistics, specifically the number of Nigerians employed in the health sector in the UK since 2001 exceeds 75,000. If you multiply that figure to include their immediate families who acquired leave to remain by virtue of one spouse working and living in the UK, you will get at least half a million. Considering that this is one sector alone, Elosela, the assumption you make that 2001 is not a long time ago cannot be described as an intelligent one, I am sorry to say. If you then take the CIT industry if Nigerians who work in this industry withdrew immediately, simply put the UK would SHUT DOWN. |
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EloSela (f)
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Elosela, let me attempt to shed some light on this discourse firstly my assertion remains the same government estimates remain entirely inaccurate. To substantiate my position consider this excerpt from a BBC investigative programme I watched yesterday not in 2001. More than 40 houses packed with illegal immigrants were identified in one square mile of Southall, west London. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7505574.stm) Although it is in reference to Indians comparative trends can be made to Nigerians. Not too long ago during parliamentary question time a senior Home office official admitted to not having any idea whatsover of how many failed asylum seekers were in the UK., there was no attempt to make estimates of illegal immigrants in the UK, as they would be completely inaccurate. Do you know the residential density of these houses that some of our people are living in 3 /4 persons in one room in a 4 bedroom house, in Dalston, Peckham, etc, etc? Furthermore there are political considerations do you think a labour government that is way down in the opinion polls is going to admit to having a huge immigration problem which they have no control over. I have both a personal and professional insight into this discourse. The regeneration of Liverpool as a city has been fuelled largely by influx of foreigners into the city who are economically active, creating socail and ecopnomic capital, Liverpool was designated European capital of culture 2008. Of These a good % are Nigerians. Considering national statistics, specifically the number of Nigerians employed in the health sector in the UK since 2001 exceeds 75,000. If you multiply that figure to include their immediate families who acquired leave to remain by virtue of one spouse working and living in the UK, you will get at least half a million. Considering that this is one sector alone, Elosela, the assumption you make that 2001 is not a long time ago cannot be described as an intelligent one, I am sorry to say. If you then take the CIT industry if Nigerians who work in this industry withdrew immediately, simply put the UK would SHUT DOWN. No matter which way you cut and slice it, there is no way that there are even over a million illegal immigrants in the UK, let alone illegal black people, let alone Nigerians. We (black people ) are only 2% of the UK population with the Caribbeans being the majority and the Kenyans accounting for the majority of Africans. The BBC report that you posted also does not prove that there are 3.5 million Nigerians in the UK. Britain has never being relaxed with her borders and so for one to assume that a million Nigerians had slipped into the country unnoticed since the 2001 census was done is naïve. Maybe a couple of thousand yes but not millions. Furthermore, Nigerians do not make up the majority of black professionals working in the NHS |
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tpia
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Elosela, surely you do not believe the number of Nigerians who slipped unnoticed into the UK, is only a couple of thousand.  |
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komekn (m)
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Elosela,
I am at loss as how you could have arrived at the assertions you are making.
Firstly, I think we need some clarity, what are the parameters you are using to define Nigerians; my parameter is based on origin, so you may indeed be defined as British by birth , naturalisation or otherwise but the defining factor is origin 1st , 2nd , or 3rd generation is not material.
The largest black ethnic group in the world by nationality is Nigeria in the UK that group, Nigerians are the largest black ethnic group in the UK , prior 2001 it actually was in the early 1990’s the afro Caribbean’s, however, my sister tings done change.
From observation official and unofficial my projections may not be substantiated but from my perspective are an informed guess. I am sure most observers will be more inclined to support my view point.
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EloSela (f)
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@komekn
I am defining Nigerians as people born in Nigeria.
Nigerians are not the largest black ethnic group in the Uk, I believe the Kenyans are.
Seems like you are classifying every single black person in the UK as a Nigerian by origin but even then, there are less than 2 million (legal) black people (british born and abroad) in the country and I reckon that the illegal ones will not be more than a couple of hundred thousand if that.
There are more Carribbeans and Kenyans than there are Nigerians in the UK.
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Moyola (f)
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@ topic there are loadz of nigerians livin outside nigeria o. . . .hmmn @komekn
I am defining Nigerians as people born in Nigeria.
I am defining nigerians as people born in nigeria and whose origin dates back to nigeria!
There are more Carribbeans and Kenyans than there are Nigerians in the UK.
How true is that! |
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EloSela (f)
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@ topic
I am defining nigerians as people born in nigeria and whose origin dates back to nigeria! Even with that definition, Caribbeans are still more than us and Nigerians do not make up the majority of black people in the UK |
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